If your hypothesis of hyperthermia induced viral increased infectivity is correct then why? Lol. Our bodies increase in core temperature which helps to slow viral transcription rates. What factor during hyperthermia is increased to allow an increase in viral production? Does it relate to decreased immune system? Or increase in glucocorticoid production? Just trying to learn more. Thanks.
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Marcel Ferreira Martins
September 26th, 2020 at 2:43 am
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M/39/111kg
21-15-9
Hang Squat clean 115lb barbell
Hspu
7'41
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Steven Thunander
September 25th, 2020 at 2:15 am
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Globo Scale: As Rxed. If you have to, sub strict presses with the 35/50lb dumbbells in place of the HSPU. Home Workout: Sub strict presses with your dumbbells if you do not have an area to do HSPU or a scale of them. Bodyweight: 21/15/9 Box/bench jumps, jumping air squats, hspu/piked hspu from box/bench or 2/1 hand release pushup.
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Coastie Nick
September 24th, 2020 at 8:28 pm
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Subbed 115# barbell (no dumbbells)
14:30
130909 was Rx’d 23:29
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Alex Michel
September 24th, 2020 at 7:16 pm
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21-15-9 50kg
Hang squat Clean
Floor press
9'02 (grip troubles)
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Myles Lance
September 24th, 2020 at 4:00 pm
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14:56
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Randy Crooker
September 24th, 2020 at 12:57 pm
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HSC Rx
band assist handstand push-ups
13:56
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Jim Henry
September 24th, 2020 at 6:10 pm
Randy
I would love to know how to do the band assist handstand push up. I have a member who needs this.
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Tomi Krznar
September 24th, 2020 at 9:23 am
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after month of rest and with bad form
21-15-9 @ 18kg db & 60 cm box HSPU
9:50 - HSC unbroken
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Thiago Martinez
September 24th, 2020 at 2:03 am
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35lbs db
Kip hspu
6'12"
Broke in 14-7 / 9-6 / 5-4 both exercises
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Jade Teasdale
September 24th, 2020 at 1:18 am
Commented on: 200923
1st time using knee sleeves! 😎👍🏽 Amazing things! Broke it up:
(7s, 5s, & 5-4s)
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Jade Teasdale
September 24th, 2020 at 1:13 am
Commented on: 200923
17:10 RX lots of fiddling with my music. 🤣
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Jeffrey Howard
September 24th, 2020 at 12:40 am
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M/24/5'8"/160lb
CrossFit AFK
12:35 - Rx
Those hang cleans into the HSPU were gnarly on the shoulders for sure.
(edited)
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NA
September 23rd, 2020 at 11:56 pm
Commented on: 200923
21 15 9
DB HSC 35#
K HSPU
10:47
56/M
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Steve Day
September 23rd, 2020 at 9:45 pm
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55lb dumbbells ( i only have 1 50)
Strict hspu to abmat
7/7/7/5/5/5/3/3/3
10:20
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Stacey Thompkins
September 23rd, 2020 at 9:38 pm
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M/45/6'2"/180#
Scaled to 35# the rest as rx'd
6:50...about :30 faster than compare to
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Nicole Deaver
September 23rd, 2020 at 8:30 pm
Commented on: 200923
8:18
25# DBs
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Jon Friedland
September 23rd, 2020 at 8:30 pm
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8.47 with 20# DBs and Feet on 24" box for HSPUs.
Did just after a 5k in 24.52
JonNYC
(edited)
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Az Native
September 23rd, 2020 at 7:00 pm
Commented on: 200923
15:11, at home so used 40lb DB’s
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Mike Scott
September 23rd, 2020 at 6:54 pm
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18:13 - Scaled to 42.5# dbells and strict HSPU to 2 blue plates
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Charlie Pokorny
September 23rd, 2020 at 6:50 pm
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6:13 Rx
HSC and HSPU both broken 14-7, 9-6, 4-5
m/52/5'11"/200#
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Benjamin Schill
September 23rd, 2020 at 6:49 pm
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M/43/6’3”/215
10:29
scaled to 115# hang sq cln (no dumbbells) and pike HSPUs from box.
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Alex Pham
September 23rd, 2020 at 6:26 pm
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14:30 (ran out of time) - 72 reps
35# dbs
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Aleksei Konobeevskikh
September 23rd, 2020 at 6:09 pm
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I finished 8:25. 22,5kg dumbbells. And all handstand push-ups I did strict
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Avraham Kupetz
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:56 pm
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Scaled to 25 lb. Dumbbells
And to pike hspu
Time; 8:11
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Joseph Moore
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:06 pm
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10:57 scaled
db squat clean 25#
db push presses 25#
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Jim Rix
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:10 pm
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Scaled/subbed to 35# DBs and piked push-ups with feet in a 30” box.
8:23
120607: 9:43 with 95# barbell
(edited)
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Mike Andridge
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:08 pm
Commented on: 200923
Scaled to
15/12/9 hang sqt cln with 35# kb's
9/6/3 strict hspu to abmat
appropriate scale for me today
7:29
1 min rest into
5k row (sub for yesterday's 5k run)
results there
m/50/175
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Ramchandra Keesoon
September 23rd, 2020 at 3:51 pm
Commented on: 200923
20- 16kg
14-16kg
9-16kg
Box handstands
22min 57 sec
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Michael Arko
September 23rd, 2020 at 3:13 pm
Commented on: 200923
36lbs dumbbells, wall-facing strict HSPU*
13:14
*I noticed in last week's deficit-HSPU video that my hand position is too narrow. Now I'm working on a wider stance that is much better/deeper/cleaner overall. But this will take work to develop and meanwhile I will take it slow ... hence the poor-looking time. Also, I was surprised how hard the HSPUs hit the clean shrugs!
Neck is stiff from paddling on a surfboard so scaled/modified to:
21-15-9
Hang squat clean 35# dumbbells (21,8/7,5/4)
Push press 35# dumbbells (11/10, 8/7, 5/4)
5:50
Jackie: same except 20# dumbbells 8:33
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Charles Meyers
September 23rd, 2020 at 1:22 pm
Commented on: 200923
21-15-9 reps for time of:
Dumbbell hang squat cleans 35 lbs
Handstand push-ups 30” box
8;15
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David Williams
September 23rd, 2020 at 12:04 pm
Commented on: 200923
M/36/170/5’6”
21-15-9
35lb DBHSC
kipping HSPU
9:45
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Claire Fiddian-Green
September 23rd, 2020 at 11:29 am
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9:44
21-15-9
DB hang squat clean Rx at 35#
Wall-facing strict HSPU about 2-3” depth
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Pablo Peschiera
September 23rd, 2020 at 11:19 am
Commented on: 200923
7:59
#44 KB HC
30 sec HS
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Taylor Poehls
September 23rd, 2020 at 10:47 am
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11:39
95# barbell HPC
1 abmat HSPU
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Joe Conradi
September 23rd, 2020 at 10:38 am
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subs/scales:
2x45#DB hang clean
bench piked HSPU
5:43
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Lincoln Kerger
September 23rd, 2020 at 10:28 am
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95lb hang squat cleans (no DBs)
Pike Push-ups from bench
10:21
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Amedeo Alessio Cerea
September 23rd, 2020 at 8:24 am
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Time: 9’53”
DBs 20kg
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Reza Dehghanzadehsuraki
September 23rd, 2020 at 7:17 am
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WOD ANALYSIS
Coaching notes:
Modality: This WOD is a couplet modality that combines a moderate weightlifting movement with a high skill gymnastic movement.
Purpose: The training purpose is to improving the stamina. The biggest challenge of this program is training with high heart rate. In addition, this exercise places the most focus on the upper body muscles, though the leg muscles are also involved in the squat part of the clean. In fact, this WOD is fire the shoulder and hip muscles. The shoulder muscles have the major role, and the hip power is needed for full hip extension and so creates the explosive power. The athlete must complete the exercise in the shortest possible time to earn more points, so the shoulder and hip muscles are under the greatest challenge.
Note: This short time WOD challenges and improves the lactate tolerance threshold.
Scale method: If the athletes break for several times, the trainers are advised to scale the weight and reps of the movements.
Time to perform: This high intensity WOD takes about ≈ 6 min. Advanced athletes can complete this WOD less than 4 minutes
Running a class: Trainers have ≈ 54 min for set other parts. So he/ she can set the other parts according to purpose of the training and level of physical fitness of athletes.
Physiology (GPP): Strength and Stamina play the major role in this exercise. Furthermore, cardiorespiratory, flexibility, balance and coordination are challenged.
Physiology (energy pathway): The lactic acid system is the dominant energy pathway in this exercise program.
Anatomy:
Hang squat clean:Deltoid, Trapezius, Biceps, Gluteus maximus, Quadriceps.
Additional time: It remains ≈ 21 minutes that can be divided in specific warm-up or cool-down
You can see my other analysis in my instagram page.
Train hard and challenge your body. Enjoy it ;)
GOOD LUCK
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Chris Sinagoga
September 23rd, 2020 at 2:37 am
Commented on: The Heart, Part 9: Blood
Regarding the last bit about exercise and immune stuff, was it ever determined why hard exercise increased the severity of the poliovirus?
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Lon Kilgore
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:25 am
Chris,
I left that bit nebulous as there are several competing theories, all based on not very strong data. Even my data is not specifically and precisely applicable to humans and to viruses across the board, but I found it intriguing (a long time ago);
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15362323/
Thanks for reading and taking time to pose a question.
Cheers,
Lon
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Thomas Eichholzer
September 23rd, 2020 at 2:12 pm
This year I catched more infections than usual, and was surprised about it, because I thought I was somewhat healthy.
After doing some research (online) it seems that high intensive training leaves an open window (low immune system). But this seems to be truer for the intensity of an endurance athlete (aka volume). Low intensive training doesn’t seem to have an impact on white blood cells. While weightlifting has an impact on white blood cell production.
Some studies also suggest that with more experience, you can handle more volume. And that performance in CrossFit can be maintained for two days in a row. (Compared to the statement of endurance athletes this suggests to me, that too much training without according recovery does not only reduce performance but also the immune system)
I guess it’s like, you run really fast, then the next day, you don’t want to run at all, but in long term you will be able to run faster because of the training. Or you can run two days in a row, but maybe not three. So, I guess, your immune system catches on the stress, then must have a recovery phase, then gets stronger with time and exercise. (like muscle grow or any other physical adaptation)
So, I guess, I was over trained at some points this year. And the most important point to me as a father of three; next time my kids get sick, I will remember not to train at high intensity and then sleep next to them. (sidenote: Carbohydrates uptake after training (and sleep) also seems to be important for faster recovery. Not only for muscle grow, but also for immune system).
I think this is interesting in relation to the common recommendation to do “low intensive” training. Because, short term, it seems to be safer. Which unfortunately also means to “stay weaker” in the long term. The “open window” could instead be closed with proper awardness, accurate recovery and lowering of infection risks. Maybe also important for elder athletes in CrossFit.
(hope this makes sense as it is the result of my online research of the last three days)
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Chris Sinagoga
September 23rd, 2020 at 1:21 am
Commented on: 200923
Champions Club Scaling Notes
RANT
Nothing to rant about
WHAT ABOUT THE MOVEMENTS
Dumbbell hang clean - jumping, moderate weight, change of shape, open chain (dumbbells vs. bar), big ROM, squatting
Handstand push-up - change of orientation, pushing, overhead, skill (kipping),
WHAT ABOUT THE FORMAT
Diane with a little more skill involved. This one is supposed to be very fast I would think.
TECHNIQUE SCALE
Complete as many rounds as possible in 15 minutes of:
15 dumbbell cleans
10 handstand push-ups
CONSISTENCY SCALE
3 rounds, each for time of 15 reps of each
Rest 2x whatever the work time was
INTENSITY SCALE
3 rounds of:
21 dumbbell cleans
21 pike handstand push-ups
*pick a weight/angle on the pike that allows for unbroken sets but juuuuust barely
MY STUFF
I'm a little behind so I did a 5k sub-type thing with some running, jumping lunges, L-sits, and a rest of 10 breaths.
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CFWUx2
17:42
15:53 sub 5R 12 FS @50kg and 9 press @40kg. Was going to do 9 of each but 50kg was probably a little light so added 3 reps. Dodgy shoulder.
125# barbell hang clean
angled on wall hspu
8:52
20:00. 35#s, to abmat
10:30 as rx’d. Broke cleans 12/9, 6/5/4, 5/4
Broke kipping hspu 6/5/4/3/3, 6/5/4, 3/4/2
180/41/69”
16:15
08:07 barbell 45kg
shpu
Rx 05:32
https://youtu.be/HYkfIXbLL90
in a hotel, did DB H Squat Cleans and DB Bench. not for time
21-15-9 reps for time of: (17:31.37)
Dumbbell hang squat cleans
Handstand push-ups
♀ 35-lb. DBs ♂ 50-lb. DBs
Post time to comments.
Compare to 170605.
M/34/6’/175#
10:33 Rx
Scaled
hang kb cleans 35lbs
HSPU
8:35
Subbed to 25# dbs and pike hspu
7:39
15:57 (dbs, 15-12-9 HSPU)
170611 - 11:56 rx
Male 50yo/180cm/79Kg
2 abmat HSPU
2 1 POD KB
8:36
Sc 45# DB/hspu str to 4" mat
15:42
If your hypothesis of hyperthermia induced viral increased infectivity is correct then why? Lol. Our bodies increase in core temperature which helps to slow viral transcription rates. What factor during hyperthermia is increased to allow an increase in viral production? Does it relate to decreased immune system? Or increase in glucocorticoid production? Just trying to learn more. Thanks.
M/39/111kg
21-15-9
Hang Squat clean 115lb barbell
Hspu
7'41
Globo Scale: As Rxed. If you have to, sub strict presses with the 35/50lb dumbbells in place of the HSPU. Home Workout: Sub strict presses with your dumbbells if you do not have an area to do HSPU or a scale of them. Bodyweight: 21/15/9 Box/bench jumps, jumping air squats, hspu/piked hspu from box/bench or 2/1 hand release pushup.
Subbed 115# barbell (no dumbbells)
14:30
130909 was Rx’d 23:29
21-15-9 50kg
Hang squat Clean
Floor press
9'02 (grip troubles)
14:56
HSC Rx
band assist handstand push-ups
13:56
Randy
I would love to know how to do the band assist handstand push up. I have a member who needs this.
after month of rest and with bad form
21-15-9 @ 18kg db & 60 cm box HSPU
9:50 - HSC unbroken
35lbs db
Kip hspu
6'12"
Broke in 14-7 / 9-6 / 5-4 both exercises
1st time using knee sleeves! 😎👍🏽 Amazing things! Broke it up:
(7s, 5s, & 5-4s)
17:10 RX lots of fiddling with my music. 🤣
M/24/5'8"/160lb
CrossFit AFK
12:35 - Rx
Those hang cleans into the HSPU were gnarly on the shoulders for sure.
21 15 9
DB HSC 35#
K HSPU
10:47
56/M
55lb dumbbells ( i only have 1 50)
Strict hspu to abmat
7/7/7/5/5/5/3/3/3
10:20
M/45/6'2"/180#
Scaled to 35# the rest as rx'd
6:50...about :30 faster than compare to
8:18
25# DBs
8.47 with 20# DBs and Feet on 24" box for HSPUs.
Did just after a 5k in 24.52
JonNYC
15:11, at home so used 40lb DB’s
18:13 - Scaled to 42.5# dbells and strict HSPU to 2 blue plates
6:13 Rx
HSC and HSPU both broken 14-7, 9-6, 4-5
m/52/5'11"/200#
M/43/6’3”/215
10:29
scaled to 115# hang sq cln (no dumbbells) and pike HSPUs from box.
14:30 (ran out of time) - 72 reps
35# dbs
I finished 8:25. 22,5kg dumbbells. And all handstand push-ups I did strict
Scaled to 25 lb. Dumbbells
And to pike hspu
Time; 8:11
10:57 scaled
db squat clean 25#
db push presses 25#
Scaled/subbed to 35# DBs and piked push-ups with feet in a 30” box.
8:23
120607: 9:43 with 95# barbell
Scaled to
15/12/9 hang sqt cln with 35# kb's
9/6/3 strict hspu to abmat
appropriate scale for me today
7:29
1 min rest into
5k row (sub for yesterday's 5k run)
results there
m/50/175
20- 16kg
14-16kg
9-16kg
Box handstands
22min 57 sec
36lbs dumbbells, wall-facing strict HSPU*
13:14
*I noticed in last week's deficit-HSPU video that my hand position is too narrow. Now I'm working on a wider stance that is much better/deeper/cleaner overall. But this will take work to develop and meanwhile I will take it slow ... hence the poor-looking time. Also, I was surprised how hard the HSPUs hit the clean shrugs!
RX:9'40''.
https://youtu.be/rTHeaYGL3LE
Strict HSPU to abmat on top of 4.1” of plates.
Rx weight for DB Hang squat cleans
13:50
shoulders are spent after that one!
breakdowns:
DB HSC: 8-8-5/7-5-3/6-3
HSPU: 10-5-4-2/5-5-3-2/5-4
Neck is stiff from paddling on a surfboard so scaled/modified to:
21-15-9
Hang squat clean 35# dumbbells (21,8/7,5/4)
Push press 35# dumbbells (11/10, 8/7, 5/4)
5:50
Jackie: same except 20# dumbbells 8:33
21-15-9 reps for time of:
Dumbbell hang squat cleans 35 lbs
Handstand push-ups 30” box
8;15
M/36/170/5’6”
21-15-9
35lb DBHSC
kipping HSPU
9:45
9:44
21-15-9
DB hang squat clean Rx at 35#
Wall-facing strict HSPU about 2-3” depth
7:59
#44 KB HC
30 sec HS
11:39
95# barbell HPC
1 abmat HSPU
subs/scales:
2x45#DB hang clean
bench piked HSPU
5:43
95lb hang squat cleans (no DBs)
Pike Push-ups from bench
10:21
Time: 9’53”
DBs 20kg
WOD ANALYSIS
Coaching notes:
Modality: This WOD is a couplet modality that combines a moderate weightlifting movement with a high skill gymnastic movement.
Purpose: The training purpose is to improving the stamina. The biggest challenge of this program is training with high heart rate. In addition, this exercise places the most focus on the upper body muscles, though the leg muscles are also involved in the squat part of the clean. In fact, this WOD is fire the shoulder and hip muscles. The shoulder muscles have the major role, and the hip power is needed for full hip extension and so creates the explosive power. The athlete must complete the exercise in the shortest possible time to earn more points, so the shoulder and hip muscles are under the greatest challenge.
Note: This short time WOD challenges and improves the lactate tolerance threshold.
Scale method: If the athletes break for several times, the trainers are advised to scale the weight and reps of the movements.
Time to perform: This high intensity WOD takes about ≈ 6 min. Advanced athletes can complete this WOD less than 4 minutes
Running a class: Trainers have ≈ 54 min for set other parts. So he/ she can set the other parts according to purpose of the training and level of physical fitness of athletes.
Physiology (GPP): Strength and Stamina play the major role in this exercise. Furthermore, cardiorespiratory, flexibility, balance and coordination are challenged.
Physiology (energy pathway): The lactic acid system is the dominant energy pathway in this exercise program.
Anatomy:
Hang squat clean: Deltoid, Trapezius, Biceps, Gluteus maximus, Quadriceps.
HSPU: Trapezius, anterior & middle & posterior Deltoid, Triceps, Pectoralis major (clavicular head).
_______________
Running a 60 min class:
Whiteboard ≈ 3 min
General warm-up ≈ 5 min
Specific warm-up for clean ≈ 8 min
Specific warm-up for HSPU ≈ 8 min
WOD ≈ 5 min
Cool-down ≈ 10 min
Additional time: It remains ≈ 21 minutes that can be divided in specific warm-up or cool-down
You can see my other analysis in my instagram page.
Train hard and challenge your body. Enjoy it ;)
GOOD LUCK
Regarding the last bit about exercise and immune stuff, was it ever determined why hard exercise increased the severity of the poliovirus?
Chris,
I left that bit nebulous as there are several competing theories, all based on not very strong data. Even my data is not specifically and precisely applicable to humans and to viruses across the board, but I found it intriguing (a long time ago);
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15362323/
Thanks for reading and taking time to pose a question.
Cheers,
Lon
This year I catched more infections than usual, and was surprised about it, because I thought I was somewhat healthy.
After doing some research (online) it seems that high intensive training leaves an open window (low immune system). But this seems to be truer for the intensity of an endurance athlete (aka volume). Low intensive training doesn’t seem to have an impact on white blood cells. While weightlifting has an impact on white blood cell production.
Some studies also suggest that with more experience, you can handle more volume. And that performance in CrossFit can be maintained for two days in a row. (Compared to the statement of endurance athletes this suggests to me, that too much training without according recovery does not only reduce performance but also the immune system)
I guess it’s like, you run really fast, then the next day, you don’t want to run at all, but in long term you will be able to run faster because of the training. Or you can run two days in a row, but maybe not three. So, I guess, your immune system catches on the stress, then must have a recovery phase, then gets stronger with time and exercise. (like muscle grow or any other physical adaptation)
So, I guess, I was over trained at some points this year. And the most important point to me as a father of three; next time my kids get sick, I will remember not to train at high intensity and then sleep next to them. (sidenote: Carbohydrates uptake after training (and sleep) also seems to be important for faster recovery. Not only for muscle grow, but also for immune system).
I think this is interesting in relation to the common recommendation to do “low intensive” training. Because, short term, it seems to be safer. Which unfortunately also means to “stay weaker” in the long term. The “open window” could instead be closed with proper awardness, accurate recovery and lowering of infection risks. Maybe also important for elder athletes in CrossFit.
(hope this makes sense as it is the result of my online research of the last three days)
Champions Club Scaling Notes
RANT
Nothing to rant about
WHAT ABOUT THE MOVEMENTS
Dumbbell hang clean - jumping, moderate weight, change of shape, open chain (dumbbells vs. bar), big ROM, squatting
Handstand push-up - change of orientation, pushing, overhead, skill (kipping),
WHAT ABOUT THE FORMAT
Diane with a little more skill involved. This one is supposed to be very fast I would think.
TECHNIQUE SCALE
Complete as many rounds as possible in 15 minutes of:
15 dumbbell cleans
10 handstand push-ups
CONSISTENCY SCALE
3 rounds, each for time of 15 reps of each
Rest 2x whatever the work time was
INTENSITY SCALE
3 rounds of:
21 dumbbell cleans
21 pike handstand push-ups
*pick a weight/angle on the pike that allows for unbroken sets but juuuuust barely
MY STUFF
I'm a little behind so I did a 5k sub-type thing with some running, jumping lunges, L-sits, and a rest of 10 breaths.
GENERAL FEAR LEVEL: 7