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190105

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50 strict pull-ups
100 push-ups
150 squats

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Doug Brubacher
July 9th, 2023 at 1:08 am
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CFWUx1

18:28

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Chris Sinagoga
March 24th, 2022 at 4:27 am
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My gawd please never delete the comments section from the CrossFit posts. I've probably learned more in the comments from the Journal, main site workouts, and Health posts than all the workouts, videos, and articles they came with. Golden stuff here, and worth referencing again and again.

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Peter Shaw
October 1st, 2021 at 1:20 am
Commented on: Anatomical Planes & Axes

Challenge:

Name as many specific positions/transitions in CrossFit that move through each plane.


e.g.

Frontal - bar path in overhead squat, deadlift, clean

Sagittal - toes to bar, muscle up transition, running

Transverse - burpee facing bar/box transition, correcting a “knees in” posture

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Tom Whyte
February 2nd, 2021 at 2:48 pm
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Seb: 17:52 Rx

Tom: 17:58 Rx

Tom C: 18:39 Rx

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Lee Clements
February 15th, 2020 at 10:25 pm
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Kkk

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Lee Clements
February 15th, 2020 at 10:25 pm
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Matthieu Dubreucq
October 20th, 2019 at 1:45 am
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Thanks for the refresh. This is good to remember that when we read the level 1 manual they reference to the frontal plane as the line that dissects the athlete in front and back. The line that we would want the external load to be traveling the closest too. I the level 1 manual the frontal plane is static and doesn't follow the athlete. It stays perpendicular to the ground at all times.
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Matthieu Dubreucq
October 20th, 2019 at 1:39 am
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
I like all the debate that this article brought. I think that regardless of who is right it seams clear that the somatic mutation theory alone is not enough to explain cancers. I like the fresh approach that suggest cancer is a mitochondrial metabolic disease. I hope we will have have some more evidence soon and save lives. While we wait I will stick to reducing carbs and crossfit on a regular basis. That seems to be once again a safe lifeboat to be on.
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drew dreiling
October 17th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
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With the glutamine piece- does this mean supplemental glutamine is contra-indicated if battling cancer? Knowing that glutamine is the primary fuel cell for intestinal lining (and is an important part of healing leaky gut in many protocols), I'm a little confused as to its place in a cancer prevention/treatment plan. Any clarity here would be helpful. Thanks
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Shawn Hakimi
September 19th, 2019 at 1:11 pm
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that was hard 29:40 Rx'd pull ups were 25 sets of two push ups were 25 sets of four squats were 15 sets of ten
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Shawn Hakimi
September 26th, 2019 at 1:23 pm
Re do with singles on the pull ups and ten sets of 15 for squats 24:48
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Kris Davis
May 24th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
I was diagnosed B-cell lymphomas which are types of lymphoma affecting B cells. Lymphomas are blood cancers" in the lymph nodes. They develop more frequently in older adults and in immunocompromised individuals. I remember being on my knees praying, “God, I will fight as hard as I can if you just let me get through this chemo stuff.” When I went in, Dr. Noy said, “I have something that’s going to help. I’m going to give you Procrit after you get your chemo.” Once I got the Procrit, I never felt again like I had after that first chemo treatment. I got tired and I didn’t feel 100 percent, but I was really okay. My cancer became very real to me once I lost my hair. But by then the mystery, the uncertainty, was sort of gone. Not gone, but it just wasn’t at the forefront. There were things that I started looking forward to doing, like going out and not just staying in the house. By then, the weather had started getting really nice, and I decided I needed to get out. I would go for a long walk or take the subway into the city and look in the store windows. It’s funny, people I didn’t know would chat with me on the bus, on the train. We would talk about anything. That made me feel a lot better. It come a day when i was told by a lady to try and do some research on the internet for help maybe there will be a cure to my Cancer. I google for treatment for cancer and I saw some testimony about the herbal specialist called Dr. SANI and the great work of his Herbal Medicines. With the hope I have in God I believe this to be the end of my problem for I have prayed for a solution from God. I contact Dr. SANI with the giving email and also click on his website to see his work. I finally believed in him and told him about my problem. He prepared some Herbal medicines and which I was advice to take for three weeks, There are lot to say about Dr. Sani, I Thank God that this man was used to end my sorrows. All my pains and sorrows turn to joy and history from the day I came in contact with Dr. SANI, Who really help with his herbal medicines, I WAS TOLD HE IS A HERBAL SPECIALIST AND HE CAN BE OF HELP, I gave him a try and it really work out for me, today here I'm cured of B-cell lymphomas. If you need any help from him, you can contact him via: (perfectherbalcure@gmail.com ) OR Call/WhatsApp: +2348118184266
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Kris Davis
May 24th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
I was diagnosed B-cell lymphomas which are types of lymphoma affecting B cells. Lymphomas are blood cancers" in the lymph nodes. They develop more frequently in older adults and in immunocompromised individuals. I remember being on my knees praying, “God, I will fight as hard as I can if you just let me get through this chemo stuff.” When I went in, Dr. Noy said, “I have something that’s going to help. I’m going to give you Procrit after you get your chemo.” Once I got the Procrit, I never felt again like I had after that first chemo treatment. I got tired and I didn’t feel 100 percent, but I was really okay. My cancer became very real to me once I lost my hair. But by then the mystery, the uncertainty, was sort of gone. Not gone, but it just wasn’t at the forefront. There were things that I started looking forward to doing, like going out and not just staying in the house. By then, the weather had started getting really nice, and I decided I needed to get out. I would go for a long walk or take the subway into the city and look in the store windows. It’s funny, people I didn’t know would chat with me on the bus, on the train. We would talk about anything. That made me feel a lot better. It come a day when i was told by a lady to try and do some research on the internet for help maybe there will be a cure to my Cancer. I google for treatment for cancer and I saw some testimony about the herbal specialist called Dr. SANI and the great work of his Herbal Medicines. With the hope I have in God I believe this to be the end of my problem for I have prayed for a solution from God. I contact Dr. SANI with the giving email and also click on his website to see his work. I finally believed in him and told him about my problem. He prepared some Herbal medicines and which I was advice to take for three weeks, There are lot to say about Dr. Sani, I Thank God that this man was used to end my sorrows. All my pains and sorrows turn to joy and history from the day I came in contact with Dr. SANI, Who really help with his herbal medicines, I WAS TOLD HE IS A HERBAL SPECIALIST AND HE CAN BE OF HELP, I gave him a try and it really work out for me, today here I'm cured of B-cell lymphomas. If you need any help from him, you can contact him via: (perfectherbalcure@gmail.com ) OR Call/WhatsApp: +2348118184266
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Chloe Bauer
March 29th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
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22:10 : 5 strict chin-ups, 45 jumping pull-ups, 100 strict push-ups, 150 air squats
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Joshua Patterson
February 7th, 2019 at 7:17 pm
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Scaled to 35, 70, 105; respectively. First 10 pull-ups without a band then started using a thin band for remaining. 23:28 (pull-ups and especially push-ups very weak)
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Kevin Miller
February 5th, 2019 at 2:59 am
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Scaled pull-ups to banded pull down from the bar. 16:35
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kevin robinson
February 3rd, 2019 at 11:06 pm
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21:57 Rx 47 y/o, 200#
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John Doody
February 3rd, 2019 at 4:10 pm
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15:07 Rx
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Kury Akin
January 30th, 2019 at 2:21 pm
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16:56 5 partitions (10,20,30)
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Kury Akin
January 30th, 2019 at 2:22 pm
Strict ring pulls
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Renato Baccari
January 28th, 2019 at 4:41 pm
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Rx 13:27
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Jeff Chalfant
January 26th, 2019 at 10:42 pm
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17:50 as rx’d 5:45 for pull-ups, 7:13 for pushups, 4:52 for squats. All pull-ups with pronated grip and no eccentric. (Dead hang, pull chest toward bar until chin clears, drop and land...) still a bit fatigued from the last pull-up workout I think!
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Steve Murphy
January 25th, 2019 at 7:59 pm
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20.11 Horizontal bar pull ups Press ups were a killer.
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Roberto Flores
January 22nd, 2019 at 9:17 pm
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
Time consuming as it was, I enjoyed reading this now involved thread. Many thanks to Greg Glassman for being the catalyst and to all the others for your thought provoking discussions. As Seyfried’s associate for over 8 years now, it’s nice to see that Warburg’s work continues to captivate journalists, scientists and physicians. In 2009, after comprehensive study of Warburg’s 1956 paper ‘On the origin of cancer cells’ I wanted to study the Warburg Theory of Cancer. Seyfried made that possible; every other scientist was consumed by popular science. Seyfried and I have spent countless hours going back and forth about Warburg’s Theory and the Somatic Mutation Theory. Some individuals on this thread discuss the Mitochondrial Metabolic Theory (MMT), but I will focus my words on the the Warburg Theory of Cancer (TWC). Having read and thought about each paper carefully, I am extremely familiar with the nuclear transfer experiments that Seyfried discusses in relation to the Somatic Mutation Theory. Eventually and after much deliberation I came to the conclusion that the Warburg Theory of Cancer and the Somatic Mutation Theory can co-exist, quite elegantly by the way. Briefly and simply put, somatic mutations and aneuploidy allow lactate fermentation to increase as carcinogenic agents cause insufficient respiration. What is clear and established is that a hallmark of cancer is genetic instability and mutation. In other words the genome of the cancer cell is always changing (instability). Currently, most of the cancer field targets cancer cell genetics. It is unwise to target a hallmark of cancer cells that is unstable. What is also clear and established is that another hallmark of cancer cells is deregulated cellular energetics. THE DEREGULATED CELLULAR ENERGETICS HALLMARK IS STABLE. Seyfried wisely chooses to target the stable deregulated energetics hallmark. In fact, the state of a low-protein ketosis can indeed target many other STABLE hallmarks of cancer at the same time, e.g. tumor promoting inflammation. Another hallmark of cancer cells is sustained proliferative signalling. X-rays and most chemotherapy agents target the sustained proliferative signalling of cancer cells. This is unwise. Many normal healthy cells need to proliferate. Most physicians like Gorski continue in this unwise manner. If they do not, they encounter many problems, e.g. financial issues and/or other physicians calling them quacks. Scientists never have it right; there is always a more correct answer and more information missing. True science is not about following popular thought, but about mustering the courage and having the insight to ask the right questions at the right time. Seyfried is an excellent true scientist. Warburg and Seyfried are indeed relatively correct. Are they absolutely correct? Impossible. REFERENCES: Warburg, O. H. On the Origin of Cancer Cells. Science 123, 309—314 (1956). Hanahan, D. & Weinberg, R. Hallmarks of cancer: the next generation. Cell 144, 646—74 (2011).
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Nate Gordon
January 22nd, 2019 at 8:26 pm
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18:37
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Jeffrey Howard
January 22nd, 2019 at 2:23 am
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16:48
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Ruggeri Alves
January 19th, 2019 at 4:17 pm
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18:29 Rx
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John Campion
January 17th, 2019 at 5:57 pm
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Rx 12:13
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Albert Kombe
January 16th, 2019 at 11:36 pm
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20:49 Rx
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Vitor Raniel
January 16th, 2019 at 11:50 am
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12:12:60
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Sebastien Hotte
January 15th, 2019 at 10:47 pm
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As Rx'd 13:24
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Matt Crouse
January 15th, 2019 at 3:51 am
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22:38 rx 5’9 m 36
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Coastie Nick
January 12th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
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11:59 Rx’d
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Mary Russell
January 12th, 2019 at 8:48 pm
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
Finally, a bit about Dunning Kruger effect: the last paragraph is relevant to the points that Stanley and I are making vis a vis Greg: https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/misunderstanding-dunning-kruger/
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Mary Russell
January 12th, 2019 at 8:26 pm
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
Greg: in a verbose and circuitous way, it does. And I think at this point we are just going around in circles- with you living up to reputation as somebody who will sooner or later resort to coarse insults. Good luck with your efforts changing medical culture- wherever they lead.
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Chris Martinez
January 12th, 2019 at 2:36 pm
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21:40 RX
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Mary Russell
January 12th, 2019 at 1:42 am
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“One of the things that may be required for someone to come to the conclusion that "Seyfried seems to think he invented the hypothesis that cancer is a metabolic disease" would be to never look at anything Seyfried has produced because he's ineligible for honest, fair, or intellectual evaluation because of his associations, where he published, and his "lack of weight given to the mainstream view". Greg: I’ve read this paragraph five times and still have no idea what you are saying here. Can you clarify?
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Greg Glassman
January 12th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
Mary, The first quote is your guess as to what Gorski would say about this thread. And my take on that is that your guess makes Gorski seem stupid or political and that you could only come to the conclusion, you, Gorski or anyone else, that Seyfried “thinks he invented the hypothesis that cancer is a metabolic disease” by not reading Seyfried’s research - something you and Stanley said a) was beyond your capacity and b) not worth doing anyway due to his associations. Go back and read the thread and see if it jogs your memory. How ironic is it that the piece you refuse to read is Seyfried giving respect to those who pioneered this very theory long before he came along? All my alarms as to why you are here are going off. That's how ironic it is. The second quote is the Orwellian rationale, familiar to CrossFitters, for delisting Malcolm Kendrick from Wikipedia. It was a snide internal reference poking fun at you. Your refusal to engage the science while parroting sciencey memes has not gone unnoticed. You and Stanley have brought nothing to the conversation but some clumsy rhetorical jiu-jitsu appropriate for industry hacks. Let me be clear, I do not need credentials of any sort to parse logic, mathematics, the scientific method, or rhetorical devices designed either to emphasize or deceive - especially, it would seem, from you. I don’t need any formal training to recognize someone unwilling to follow the flow of a conversation or debate. Mary, in science the results of a valid experiment are considered facts. A theory has the burden of being consistent with those facts. It needs to be able to predict or retrodict those facts to be valid. A theory is improved or refined by being tweaked or tossed out to better predict facts. Two theories competing for the same facts is what science is often about. The obligation for the scientist is to adopt the theory more capable of predicting those facts. Sometimes a theory fits in one domain better than another theory but not in other domains, so scientists will use either depending on the application of the domain. MMT seems to do a better job of accommodating the experimental record than the SMT. This, again, is the discussion that you’ve admitted to not being capable of engaging in intellectually and further explained that you wouldn’t anyway due to Seyfried’s associations, views on nutrition, etc. You’ve wanted this to be a debate about ketogenic diets and cancer therapy and I’m here to tell you that the debate we are going to have at CrossFit.com is SMT vs MMT. Laura Shelton portrayed this as an argument between a biologist and a surgeon on some nuanced biology where the surgeon seems confused, at best. You’ve given considerable support to that sense of things. I was long familiar with Gorski’s dodge on Seyfried’s thesis and accepted it as a surgeon not understanding science or willing to understand the science at hand. Not a big deal really. It was my suspicion going in and now I’m fairly sure that this is what is going on. And…I’ve come to see you as a troll for whatever interests find it utterly unacceptable to have a rational, honest, scientific discussion on the fascinating subject of oncogenesis. Does this clarify my position?
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Mary Russell
January 12th, 2019 at 1:39 am
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Laura :”for Dr. Gorski to comment that he would visit the cancer metabolism section at a conference and think, “nothing to see here,” I’m pretty sure that is not Gorski’s point. “People too often use their titles to tear down others. Sure Dr. Gorski has an MD, but Dr. Seyfried has a Ph.D ” Nor is that. “But automatically writing off an entire field of research simply because Dr. Seyfried was somehow associated with Mercola” I don’t think anybody has done that here. “Dr. Seyfried isn’t the danger to society, people like Dr. Gorski are. ” Merciful heavens! “Is [the Ketogenic diet] worth trying in conjunction with accepted courses of treatment? Yes. Is it worth trying when all else fails? Absolutely.” That is, very succinctly put, the mindset that drives all cancer related quackery. And, although you have a good point about the strengths of academic biologists vs. MD oncologists, no clinician with bedside experience could dismiss the harm of alternative cancer treatment as blithely as you just did. It’s not that these unproven treatments have no scientific basis-but that their proponents run far ahead of the evidence- as Taubes puts it, desperate people take desperate measures. The fallout in terms of wasted money and strained relationships ( as well as foregoing actual evidence based treatments that can be effective) are not as benign as you may suppose.
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Laura Shelton
January 14th, 2019 at 6:42 pm
Mary, you're missing the point. The point is that what Dr. Gorski says has larger impacts on society than he or you clearly understand
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Mary Russell
January 12th, 2019 at 1:21 am
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“We are going to find someone who believes in the somatic mutation theory of oncogenesis that will explain to us how to square that theory with the nuclear-cytoplasm experiments.“ Greg: I suggest you go to an AACR meeting and find that “someone” to answer your questions! To suppose that non scientists can answer your questions in a meaningful way has been addressed upthread.
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Rafaela Mendizabal
January 12th, 2019 at 12:02 am
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34'37" - (pull-ups butterfly)
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Christian Heck
January 11th, 2019 at 8:35 pm
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RX 16:27
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Paul Hopkins
January 11th, 2019 at 5:15 pm
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22:12 RX
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Sasha Geonya
January 10th, 2019 at 6:47 pm
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16:15
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Laura Shelton
January 10th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
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I appreciate the level at which most everyone is discussing the issue considering their varying backgrounds. It’s hard to take Dr. Gorski’s article seriously because oncologists are not biologists. They rarely understand actual molecular or biochemical mechanisms and are typically against any kind of “restricted” diet because they erroneously think it means starving the patient, which also means they don’t fully understand whole body physiology. Everyone seems to be harping on the fact that Dr. Seyfried’s work is done in mice. All drugs that are available today were developed in--you guessed it--mouse models. However, those models were what we call xenograft models, where human tumors were grown in a mouse that lacked a functional immune system. How is that representative of the environment in which cancer thrives? The mouse models that Dr. Seyfried uses are syngeneic, meaning the tumor grew in a mouse with a fully functioning immune system. That's a much more realistic set of circumstances, right? So to be clear, ALL research starts in the mouse. Are we lacking clinical data? Yes of course. However, regardless of the “origin” of cancer (a topic which, frankly, is secondary to the main point), the cancer field is in strong agreement that cancer metabolizes sugar differently than most other cells in the body. Cancer also metabolizes amino acids differently than most cells in the body. This hallmark of cancer is the basis for a large and growing number of biotech and pharmaceutical companies looking to do exactly what Dr. Seyfried is doing--stop, slow, or even inhibit cancer. Is Dr. Seyfried passionate about his research? Yes. Can he use too much hyperbole? Yes. And I agree that can hurt his case. But, medical professionals have the responsibility to stay up to date on scientific progress, and for Dr. Gorski to comment that he would visit the cancer metabolism section at a conference and think, “nothing to see here,” is clear evidence that he is missing and misunderstanding a major and important aspect of cancer biology; that is a much bigger disservice to the public than any YouTube video by Dr. Seyfried. As we all may know, the ketogenic diet is well established for the treatment of epilepsy. Why is it such a stretch to think it could be effective in other diseases that are linked by similar signaling pathways (mTOR)? These discussions tend to bring out too many absolutes that obscure the main points. Can the ketogenic diet “cure” cancer? Probably not. Does that mean that it’s completely useless? Probably not. Scientific research is always in flux. One day we think one thing, the next we think the opposite. But automatically writing off an entire field of research simply because Dr. Seyfried was somehow associated with Mercola and to automatically label him a quack is just plain ignorant. People too often use their titles to tear down others. Sure Dr. Gorski has an MD, but Dr. Seyfried has a Ph.D and has spent his life researching the ketogenic diet. Dr. Gorski seems to have read one article and immediately arrived at an opinion of him. Using his title he can influence a whole host of people, including those who are at the end of their lives and looking for some hope. Dr. Seyfried brings those people hope when nothing else has worked. How many people have decided “oh I shouldn’t do this potentially life extending diet because some physician told me it was bad”? Dr. Seyfried isn’t the danger to society, people like Dr. Gorski are. People that think they’re experts and are not, but can easily portray themselves as such. What makes it pseudoscience? Simply because you don’t buy it? I am a former student of Dr. Seyfried. I have published with him on the metabolic origin of cancer and am currently still in the field. Of course the issue much more complicated than simply “cancer needs sugar." Does the ketogenic diet offer a solution to limit the main fuel of most cancer cells? Yes it does. Plain and simple, the ketogenic diet--like taking oxygen away from a fire--limits the major fuel source of most cancer cells. Is it a dangerous diet? No. Is it a difficult diet? Yes. However, you’d be amazed by the strength of will when faced with a death sentence. Is it worth trying in conjunction with accepted courses of treatment? Yes. Is it worth trying when all else fails? Absolutely. And unless someone has closely studied and possesses an in-depth knowledge of cancer biology (which most MDs unfortunately don't have), they shouldn't dismiss the diet out of hand.
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Philip Uemura
January 10th, 2019 at 3:49 am
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11:02 rx
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Dong Kim
January 9th, 2019 at 11:55 pm
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11:47 Rx'd CrossFit08844
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Mike de Graauw
January 9th, 2019 at 6:26 pm
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19:34 Pull-ups: 4:35 Pushups: 13:30 Squats: 19:34 M/59/6’2”/230
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Italo Armone
January 9th, 2019 at 5:22 pm
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24min 12sec RX ...
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Kyungtaek Kang
January 9th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
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14분 43초 CrossFit HIM 대한민국 경기도 안양시
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Kris Sienkiewicz
January 9th, 2019 at 9:09 am
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10:57 Rx M/42/78kg
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Shannon Said
January 9th, 2019 at 8:11 am
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24:24 I SUCK at pull ups
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Mary Russell
January 9th, 2019 at 1:45 am
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One last comment: Gorski is not going to engage, but if he did, I’ll bet he would say: “Seyfried seems to think he invented the hypothesis that cancer is a metabolic disease. He’s a few years behind the times. That was a favorite topic of the studies at the meetings of the American Association for Cancer Research meeting (which I attend almost every year) several years back. Then it faded into the background in favor of immunotherapy and immune checkpoint inhibitors.” He would also be amused that Taubes doesn’t think he understands about being a maverick!
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Greg Glassman
January 9th, 2019 at 7:43 pm
So you think he'd refuse to offer anything substantive and instead join the ad hominem appeal of your and Stanley's offering? I’d hope he’d be smarter than that. I was hoping someone could explain the unchallenged transfer experiments and what the implications for the origins of cancer might be. You're saying the science cannot and will not be discussed. I'm going to insist that it does. I get that you won't participate. Gary Taubes yesterday offered three possible resolutions of the question I posed each option being consistent with a sound, logical, and scientific approach to addressing the question. Might not Groski offer something like one of those? You're pretty sure he'd refuse to engage meaningfully or intelligently? One of the things that may be required for someone to come to the conclusion that "Seyfried seems to think he invented the hypothesis that cancer is a metabolic disease" would be to never look at anything Seyfried has produced because he's ineligible for honest, fair, or intellectual evaluation because of his associations, where he published, and his "lack of weight given to the mainstream view". I feel compelled to cut-and-paste a paragraph from Gary Taubes' post yesterday: "So that’s the point. Seyfried may be right about the MMT and that’s vitally important if he is. In his article he quotes Peyton Rous to the effect that; “the somatic mutation theory acts like a tranquilizer on those who believe in it” (Rous, 1959)." Maybe this isn't dead. What do you call theories that don't comport with observation and yet cannot even be defended because they are settled. We are going to find someone who believes in the somatic mutation theory of oncogenesis that will explain to us how to square that theory with the nuclear-cytoplasm experiments. I'm so open minded. For the person who even attempts this in earnest, the SMT is not a dogma but a reasoned scientific conclusion. They won't find need to mention Seyfried's conjectures/hypothesis on diet, low impact journals, Mercola, or current popularity of the view in contradistinction to what Mary and Stanley are offering here even be it sweetly.
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Matthew Burritt
January 8th, 2019 at 10:30 pm
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M/42/5'4"/150lbs As Rx'd 14:38
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Gary Taubes
January 8th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
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When I see Greg saying someone has to explain the nuclear transfer experiments or accept the MMT is valid, three possibilities come to mind: 1. The researchers did the experiments correctly and interpreted the results correctly and these experiments are reproducible in many different mouse models, in which case they represent significant report for the MMT. And, yes, we should all accept it, with the caveat, as we’ll discuss, that some huge proportion of the cancer research community is simply not paying attention (even if, as Gorski says, more are than ever). 2. The researchers did the experiments correctly and interpreted the results correctly, in these cases, but these experiments represent only a small percentage of all the similar experiments ever done. And Tom is selecting the experiments he likes to make his case and ignoring others, perhaps many others. This is common in research and is often necessary. Science is full of misleading research (as we’ll also discuss) and so the researcher has to pick and choose the experiments he or she thinks were most meaningful. If so, he isn’t citing the others either because they weren’t published – as negative results typically aren’t – or because he didn’t find them somehow in his search, or perhaps he found reasons to dismiss them when he did find them, based on his assessment of their quality. Anything is possible. 3. The researchers screwed these experiments up, or misinterpreted the results, and got the wrong answer. On this forum particularly we’re more than willing to accept the fact that much to most medical research is unreliable. Twenty years ago when I wrote about this problem for Technology Review, I quoted the Australian philosopher of science John Ziman suggesting that 90 percent of the research published in physics journals (a much harder science than medicine) was wrong or misinterpreted and that the process of science, was in effect, the process of figuring out which ten percent of the information is actually right or meaningful and transferring that to the text books (which are then 90 percent right and only 10 percent misleading). And this was physics. Lord knows what the percentage of wrong or meaningful results are in medicine and biology but it’s assuredly high. And the fact that a dozen researchers found the same thing could mean it’s right or it could mean that they’re trapped in a cascade, all seeing in their experiments and so believing what they want to believe. Skepticism is always in order. So that’s the point. Seyfried may be right about the MMT and that’s vitally important if he is. In his article he quotes Peyton Rous to the effect that; “the somatic mutation theory acts like a tranquilizer on those who believe in it” (Rous, 1959). In cases like this (which can also include the amyloid theory of Alzheimer’s and, my favorite, the energy balance theory of obesity) it’s hard to overestimate the effect of the paradigm on not just the thinking of researchers (the tranquilizer effect) but the funding of studies and the publishing of studies that are published and the interpretation of studies that are published. The conventional wisdom infects and influences the science from top to bottom, from past to future. CrossFit Health discussed all of these problems in its summer conference. Everything gets biased to support the accepted paradigm. It’s also hard for physicians and researchers working inside the medical establishment (Gorski, in this case) to understand the position of the researchers who find themselves challenging that established paradigm, the position of the heretic. Tom is a heretic and Gorski is judging him from the position of someone who seems to think that there are a set of rules that heretics can follow just like any other researchers that will, if they’re patient and if they’re right, lead to the overthrow of the orthodoxy. But there are no rules. No book to read. The heretic is making it up as he or she goes along, trying to overcome a kind of institutionalized cognitive dissonance/groupthink that has such enormous unimaginable inertia that it may be impervious to assault. The heretics in these cases are the equivalent of whistle-blowers in a misconduct or fraud case, but they’re not challenging the work and intellectual integrity of one laboratory or one researcher in one institution, they’re challenging the work and intellectual integrity of virtually all labs and all researchers in their discipline and all institutions. While they may not be claiming that these researchers have acted unethically, they are claiming that they got the wrong answer and believed the wrong thing on the most important question in their field. That may be worse. (When I lectured on obesity and the problems with the energy balance hypothesis at the Pennington Biomedical Research Center half a dozen or more years ago, one of the older researchers in the room raised his hand in the Q&A that followed asked very politely, “Mr. Taubes, is it fair to say that one subtext of your presentation is that we are all idiots?” It was the obvious implication. In response, I prevaricated and said no.) It’s only when ignored that whistle blowers and heretics have to go outside the lines of institutional processes to be heard. In whistleblower cases, they go to the newspapers or bloggers or whomever they can get to listen. In these paradigm issues, they end up talking to anyone who will listen, even if the people who do listen (Mercola) tend to be a bit too accepting of anything that is outside the mainstream. Calling Seyfried a “bad actor,” as Mary does, is a valid opinion, but it’s almost always the establishment position. If Mary was parenting, I don’t think she’d say he was a bad actor so much as that this particular action was bad, and then try to understand the reason behind this. And the reason is likely to be it’s difficult to stay suitably restrained and scientific when you think you know something that will save lives and the establishment (knock knock knock) is not listening, or not listening enough from your POV. That said, I think Tom should be more aware of this and he should be more restrained. Gorski’s response and Stanley Nasraway’s comment are proof that Tom hurts his credibility by his pronouncements on the diet and by his lack of understanding of how Mercola is perceived. He has to do better. It’s part of the job of challenging the establishment: Communicating your ideas against enormous institutional inertia while remaining credible in the process. It ain’t easy, and there’s no book, but it goes with the job. The cancer world is an extreme case. Gorski’s context, as he implies, is that the cancer world is full of people who are desperate and desperate people are targets for quacks and quackery. Despite the fact that I do believe that cancer is a metabolic disease and I do believe that insulin and IGF are drivers, I’m also skeptical that ketogenic diets will make a huge difference in treating the disease. I’m less skeptical of the idea that ketogenic diets or at least LCHF or paleo diets will help prevent cancer, but whether or not I’m skeptical is irrelevant. These latter questions can be studied and answered by trials. But I disagree with Mary that CrossFit is doing a disservice by discussing Seyfried’s article. This science and its implications for medicine and dietary therapy have to be aired. People have to know that ketogenic diets might, maybe, possibly could help. When I wrote about the possibility that sugar causes cancer in the New York Times Magazine (2011), I faced the same problem. I knew that I was pushing the envelope of the science and I knew that I would be accused, perhaps rightfully of scaremongering, but somebody had to say these things. In fact, I assumed the editors wouldn’t want me to, and they were the ones talking me into it. So I said it, but I put it in perspective. It may be right. It has to be said. But it could be wrong. You do with the speculative information what you wish. Those with cancer, though, are desperate. It’s a harder tightrope to walk between conveying the information and not encouraging deleterious behavior. Re the MMT, even if it’s as surely right as Tom and Greg think, it’s likely to take decades for cancer researchers to shift their perspective. At that point, the general assumption will be that they knew it all along. I agree with Greg that all this is vitally important to clarify, but the way the NIH funds research these days, there’s no mechanism by which the research community can be made to decide en masse that a question or a controversy has to be clarified, that it’s so vitally important all researchers working in related disciplines should do whatever it takes to clarify it, rather than do what they were doing all along. This is part of the tranquilizing effect that Rous mentioned. Business, as usual, is almost invariably the rule of the day. You study what you can get funded to study and what you can get funded to study is typically what you’ve been doing all along, which is by definition based on conventional thinking. It would be nice if something like the MMT could do the scientific equivalent of going viral, but I’m not sure such a thing is possible in the existing scientific environment. It may happen in slow motion, but we’ll need patience.
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Stanley Nasraway
January 8th, 2019 at 10:06 pm
Gary, Very powerful, comprehensive and civil. Appreciate the balanced point of view. Thank you.
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Mary Russell
January 9th, 2019 at 12:11 am
Thanks for the gracious reply, Gary. A few quibbles: I don’t recall implying that CrossFit has done a disservice to anybody by posting Seyfried’s article. It is Glassman’s blog: obviously, he can post what he wants. And it was I, not Stanley, who criticized Seyfried’s association with Mercola. Be that as it may, I forwarded this article and the exchange to the editors at Science Based Medicine. It would be interesting to see (if he has any interest in engaging) what Gorski would say about the narrative you are proposing here: tranquilizing inertia (of whom you imply, carefully and in so many words that he is a party) -vs whistle blowers and heretics. I would guess he would propose his own counter narrative, but would leave that to him to say.
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Greg Glassman
January 9th, 2019 at 1:06 am
Mary, Stanley, Gary, Zeynep, Clarke, and Pat, thank you for this discussion. You're all sharp and good. I'm proud and stimulated by sharing this interaction with you. Mary, yep, it's my blog. That's so true, but it's a tad foreign to my psyche. Our target is all the smart people anywhere, my L1 staff, 10 year affiliates, and the 30-40 thousand CF physicians inside CF gyms around the world. This is their website, their blog.
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Stanley Nasraway
January 8th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
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Greg, you've asked generally for someone to speak directly to the theory of mitochondrial derangements as a cause of neoplastic growth, and to set aside criticisms of Seyfried. Normally, I'd reply to you directly, but you have edited your comments and there is no link to reply to your comments now. The reason no one has stepped up here is twofold: 1. most of us know our limitations as physicians or physician/scientists, and we understand we are not qualified to speak off the cuff about the nuances of cellular research, dissecting good from bad studies. 2. Seyfried's treatise from Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology is a review from a low impact online journal with > 100 references. To dissect his theories and listed references to determine its legitimacy would personally take me weeks of personal time, which I cannot literally afford to do. If you want an educated alternative explanation to Seyfried and Warburg, you need to ask a qualified scientist, preferably an academic oncologist who also runs a research lab, and has 15-20 years of experience with patients and research who really understands the field and origin of cancer. These individuals exist, you need to find them for a legitimate, informed answer. That said, one has to be skeptical of individuals who publish in low impact online journals. Frontiers is an entity that based on its website has dozens of virtual journals and charges for its publications. In 2015, it was just years old. The trusted best journals such as Science, Cell, Nature, JAMA, Lancet, New England J of Medicine quite often are many decades or a century old. They have a track record of quality control, and DO NOT charge for publication. The latter is a recent money making invention by for profit entities and take advantage of young academicians' desire to buff their resume and publish, as an example. I loved that CF published the article by Jeff Glassman which speaks to being exact and factually correct. He stated, "Weak scientists will strengthen their beliefs and stances by promoting their models while demoting the competition." Thank you for posting this full discussion and comments; it's been civil and thought provoking.
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Greg Glassman
January 8th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
Stanley, Three of the studies I’ve asked you to look at were published in the very high impact journals you trust so much and recommend that I site. (BTW, we have here number one and two for impact and number one and two for retraction but the problems with medical journals is a subject for another day.) Howell A.N., et al. (1978). Tumorigenicity and its suppression in cybrids of mouse and Chinese hamster cell lines. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. U. S. A., 75, 2358—2362 [PMC free article] [PubMed]McKinnell R.G., et al. (1969). McKinnell R.G., et al. (1969). Transplantation of pluripotential nuclei from triploid frog tumors. Science, 165, 394—396 [PubMed]Mintz B., et al. (1975). Normal genetically mosaic mice produced from malignant teratocarcinoma cells. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. U. S. A., 72, 3585—3589 [PMC free article] [PubMed] These studies are wonderfully elegant (marked by simplicity and efficacy) and I could readily explain them to high-school kids. I understand the costs of rigor in terms of time, energy, and intellect. One of the hallmarks of groundbreaking science is that most all of it is very approachable. This science is solid, approachable, replicated, and ignored. We’ve been here before. I'd better thank you for your time! This is intriguing to me. I, too, want to thank you for the engagement. This feels done.
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zeynep akgoc
January 8th, 2019 at 8:23 pm
Hi all, I am a former student of Dr. Seyfried, I just saw the interesting discussion here and am astonished by how well you all read Seyfried’s work and also by the criticism from those not in the field. Criticism is always great for the subject to evolve, as long as it is not done by society's preconceptions. The quality of your work is not defined by journal rankings. Stanley, I am not sure you are aware of the problems in academia, but unfortunately the 1st drive of academics is not always for the benefit of the human anymore. Unfortunately in a world of shrinking funding sources, the academic focus is “publish or perish”. Academics too often have to tailor their grants and research to fit within the boundaries of those deciding who gets funded. “Sexy Science” often dominates grant applications and funding decisions. Often times mistakes are missed or bad experimental designs are published because a big name is attached to the paper. I will not name names but it happens and it is a huge problem. One of our most prestigious journals also has the highest rate of retracted papers due to scientific fraud. To be blunt, researchers publish fake data in order to get published in these top journals which can have far reaching consequences. I have seen and participated in research we did in Dr. Seyfried's laboratory. It was in no way easy. He published in both high and low impact journals, each with their own criticisms, all with tremendous effort. It is not fair to assume that research is not correct because it is published in a 'low impact journal". The same researchers that are deciding funding opportunities are the same people reviewing papers. They apply their own biases to what they read and decide if they like it or not regardless of scientific merit. Dr. Seyfried approached the cancer therapy problem from a very different angle, one that not many people wanted to believe in or support. In time, however, it has become more and more evident that he has discovered something powerful and meaningful. In fact, the driving force for journal selection for his papers was based more on which ones offered public access. Dr. Seyfried felt that if his research was to truly help people, then they should have access to it. Ask yourself, if researchers today are truly invested in bettering peoples’ lives, then why do they care more about publishing in elite “pay for access” journals, than those that are open to the very people they say they are helping? In addition, Dr. Seyfried was the most critical person I met when it came to data. If you showed him a little increase between 2 groups, he would say "It looks the same to me". He always wanted to make sure there is a "real" difference and we didn’t become biased by our own data. Also unfortunately the reason "no one is stepping in" is basically because not many people have the courage to go against the grain. It is easier to step aside and let other people figure it out. I myself did not have that courage like many of us, therefore I am not in this field anymore. But unlike many of us, I am aware of myself, and I appreciate the people that work to change the status quo. I am guessing we are all in agreement with Dr. Seyfried that: cancer is a devastating disease and the current treatments are no way near perfect. He comes to work every day to resolve a big problem that involves so many people and hopefully will result in some change. He gets no money for what he is doing. He is not out there trying to sell you a gimmick or product, just an alternative to the therapies and drugs that do allow others to profit, including the doctors that prescribe them. Of course there is always the need for more data, and it is not easy to get, and it may take many more years to get. However, Dr, Seyfried is out there advocating for better science, better therapies, and better outcomes.
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Bailey Ryan-Orchard
January 8th, 2019 at 5:56 am
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19:34, Rx’d
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January 8th, 2019 at 5:56 am
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19:34, Rx’d
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January 8th, 2019 at 3:15 am
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38/male/Rx/ 18:22
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Craig Collins
January 8th, 2019 at 1:50 am
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13:15 Broke it up into 10 rounds of 5 pullups, 10 push ups, 15 squats.
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Mary Russell
January 7th, 2019 at 11:59 pm
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Actually, I would like to apologize to the Flat Earth Society for any comparison to Mercola.
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Mary Russell
January 7th, 2019 at 11:48 pm
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Greg: it’s possible Seyfried is correct about cancer pathophysiology and musters all of the evidence in his Cell piece without cherry picking or distortion. But, not being a cell biologist, I am not in a position to weigh the evidence- and neither, I would add, is anyone without a background in the field. Your responses to various objections about Seyfried also beg the question of why CrossFit posted this article- to have a learned discussion about cell physiology? Or rather because the topic has practical application to a narrative favored by CrossFit? If the second, then pointing out Seyfried’s Fails in the practical application of theory department is not merely an ad hominem. It’s as if an astrophysicist complains that everyone is ignoring his hot new theory- but then allows himself to be interviewed and promoted by the Flat Earth Society. Seyfried’s association with Mercola looks bad for him in the same way. Make a plausible case for a new way to look at cancer physiology and people will listen. But complaining that mainstream medicine has it all wrong while posting YouTube’s of interviews by Mercola will earn him the derision of cancer physicians.
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Stanley Nasraway
January 7th, 2019 at 9:44 pm
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Greg, we’re not against a metabolic origin to cancer; just to drawing conclusions beyond what human evidence supports. Otherwise, see Mary who obviously had the best English teacher amongst any of us. ;)
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Greg Glassman
January 7th, 2019 at 10:08 pm
The insistence, it seems is to ad hominem response to some really elegant and important experiments. Can this conversation be turned into a scientific one? Challenging Seyfried on nutrition is a straw-man for addressing the science, impeccably carried out it seems, replicated several times as well, done by others highly regarded (I had a wonderful conversation with Chris Shay recently) that quite conspicuously is being ignored here.
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Greg Glassman
January 7th, 2019 at 10:25 pm
Maybe it's not clear without looking at the paper, but the experiments are not Seyfried's and the conclusions of those are also not Seyfried's. Seyfried simply concludes from those experiments that cancer is a metabolic disease. I've been asking for someone, anyone, to look at those same experiments and come to a conclusion that differs from Tom Seyfried's conclusion.
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January 7th, 2019 at 6:19 pm
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January 7th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
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Mary Russell
January 7th, 2019 at 6:12 pm
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Gorski doesn’t so much object to the mitochondrial theory of cancer, as he says at the outset: “Dr. Seyfried’s argument that cancer is primarily a metabolic disease (an argument I’ll look at in more depth shortly) is well within the bounds of current oncologic science. Indeed, a few years ago it was all the rage, and I remember attending several sessions and lectures on the Warburg effect and cancer at the AACR meetings three or four years ago, although, oddly enough, I don’t recall as many the last couple of years.” His distaste (and mine) for Seyfried arises from Seyfried’s statements re: keto diet treatment for cancer. Here Seyfried has been a bad actor, contributing to the swirl of half truths and frank woo that physicians like Gorski and I have to contend with. It’s good, I suppose, that in conversations with you Seyfried has walked back his wilder statements from earlier (quoted by Gorski and referenced by Stanley, upthread). But the damage has been done, and his difficulty understanding how clinical evidence works ( again, referenced by Gorski) means other claims will be met with more skepticism than perhaps they deserve to be.
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Greg Glassman
January 7th, 2019 at 9:43 pm
All, The nuclear and cytoplasmic experiments are sited in my earlier comment for all to read. They alone strongly support the contention that cancer is primarily a metabolic disease and that the somatic mutation theory is wrong. What Seyfried has done is to call attention to some very important science that has largely been ignored - certainly considering the ramifications if real. Look at those experiments and answer how can these be solid experiments with valid outcomes and the somatic mutation theory be anything other than wrong. Groski doesn’t come close to delivering on his promise to address SMT vs. MMT. He doesn’t even try. He says it’s a little bit of both and the exact proportion depends on the tumor type. Let me show how unsatisfactory a response that is by way of analogy and quote from Warburg. First the Warburg: Just as there are many remote causes of plague, heat, insects, rats, but only one common cause, the plague bacillus, there are a great many remote causes of cancer-tar, rays, arsenic, pressure, urethane- but there is only one common cause into which all other causes of cancer merge, the irreversible injuring of respiration. I think this is not only brilliant but likely correct. Here’s how unsatisfactory Gorski’s response is for me. Imagine arguing that the plague comes from rats and the plague bacillus. Probably a little bit of both in exact proportion depending on the individual stricken. It doesn’t work. Groski didn’t even get close to the discussion. That’s OK, it’s his blog. He’s not obligated to serve any aims beyond his own. I can't say Groski has the metabolics of cancer wrong because I see know evidence that he's interested in the subject. He certainly doesn't explore it at all in the piece cited. If cancer is primarily a metabolic disease of the mitochondria where the genetic mess is a downstream effect then, yes, you can take Gorski’s position that it’s a disease of both the nucleus and the mitochondria but it would be to miss the true cause, what Warburg would call the "common cause" and most certainly delay more effective prevention and treatment. I’m trying to move the discussion here towards the evidence sited. If anyone’s response to the transfer experiments is “Seyfried’s a quack”, you’re ducking. Ducking the question. That’s an ad hominem response to a likely important scientific question. So, again, What about the nuclear and cytoplasmic transfer experiments and what they reveal about tumerigenicity?
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Greg Glassman
January 7th, 2019 at 9:58 pm
All, The nuclear and cytoplasmic experiments are sited in my earlier comment for all to read. They alone strongly support the contention that cancer is primarily a metabolic disease and that the somatic mutation theory is wrong. What Seyfried has done is to call attention to some very important science that has largely been ignored - certainly considering the ramifications if real. Look at those experiments and answer how can these be solid experiments with valid outcomes and the somatic mutation theory be anything other than wrong? Gorski doesn’t come close to delivering on his promise to address SMT vs. MMT. He doesn’t even try. He says it’s a little bit of both and the exact proportion depends on the tumor type. Let me show how unsatisfactory a response that is by way of analogy and quote from Warburg. First the Warburg: “Just as there are many remote causes of plague, heat, insects, rats, but only one common cause, the plague bacillus, there are a great many remote causes of cancer-tar, rays, arsenic, pressure, urethane- but there is only one common cause into which all other causes of cancer merge, the irreversible injuring of respiration.” I think this is not only brilliant but likely correct. Here’s how unsatisfactory Gorski’s response is for me. Imagine arguing that the plague comes from both rats and the plague bacillus. Probably a little bit of both in exact proportion depending on the individual stricken. It doesn’t work. Gorski didn’t even get close to the discussion. That’s OK, it’s his blog. He’s not obligated to serve any aims beyond his own. I can't say Gorski has the metabolics of cancer wrong because I see know evidence that he's interested in the subject. He certainly doesn't explore it at all in the piece cited. If cancer is primarily a metabolic disease of the mitochondria where the genetic mess is a downstream effect then, yes, you can take Gorski’s position that it’s a disease of both the nucleus and the mitochondria but it would be to miss the true cause, what Warburg would call the "common cause" and most certainly delay more effective prevention and treatment. I’m trying to move the discussion here towards the evidence sited. If anyone’s response to the transfer experiments is “Seyfried’s a quack”, you’re ducking. Ducking the question. That’s an ad hominem response to a likely important scientific question. So, again, What about the nuclear and cytoplasmic transfer experiments and what they reveal about tumerigenicity?
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Simon Shirley
January 7th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
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13:56 re do and better
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Stanley Nasraway
January 7th, 2019 at 2:23 pm
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This was a good series of comments. I appreciate Mary's deft tact, and citing the Gorski reference, which I think I had also posted many months ago on FB CF Physicians thread. It was a good read. I also appreciate Greg's disclosure as to CF's and his personal relationship with Dr. Seyfried. While Seyfried may not have told you KD "cures cancer", I have listened to him on podcasts and in videos, and he absolutely runs wild and states KD halts or reverses cancer. Look, I'm all in favor of validating or invalidating a theory with good science. Perhaps cancer has a metabolic component, which can be attacked successfully with a diet strategy. However, promoting pseudoscience or allowing others to do so is dangerous; some patients with real disease or cancer will be convinced to follow these unproven regimens at the expense of other regimens that have an actual chance at remission. That's why giving individuals like Seyfried a forum is dangerous, and misleading, to young physicians, to athletes at the Games via CF Health, and on CF Journal. Since you agree in your comments that Seyfried's position is controversial and his evidence is "thin", at the very least, why not consider a balanced approach, having someone else provide the alternative point of view? Pat, we've all been touched by cancer, directly or otherwise. The 2nd most common cause of death in Western civilization. I've had my own experience with it. Great inroads have been made with Coronary Artery Disease; lifespans are increasing, mortality is declining. I expect cancer to become the #1 cause of death in the U.S. overtaking CAD.
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Greg Glassman
January 7th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Gorski's piece is a duck. You're ducking too, Brother. Seyfried's has addressed what seem to many to be fatal flaws in the SMT of Oncogeneis. See my post above. To look at the corpus of Seyfried's work and not address MMT vs. SST but rather challenge his conjectures and hypothesis and theories of carbohydrate is ducking. Not addressing the nuclear and cytoplasmic transfer experiments and tumorigenicity is ducking. I get maybe in doctor-logic we can shit-can an idea by virtue of who espoused the notion and what else they believe. There's a practicality to being that way, an efficiency. I do it too. But...it's not science. It's not logic. It's a rhetorical device to avoid something. Think about it. It's like nobody here read the freakin' paper. My English teacher in the 10th would have pointed this out. I love this and all of you.
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Shawn Anderson
January 7th, 2019 at 11:31 am
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23:55rx
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Blake Schaub
January 7th, 2019 at 11:05 am
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17:39 Rx
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Joel Wuollet
January 7th, 2019 at 7:42 am
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19 minutes 50 Ring rows 100 push ups (took forever) 150 squats
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Ray Estes
January 7th, 2019 at 4:03 am
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I'm a vet who began doing Crossfit while deployed in Iraq in 2008. What I've noticed over the past 10 years is that the workouts have gotten progressively harder as the elite athletes have continued to get more fit. The following workout was from the main site on 25 Jan 2011: Three rounds for time of: 12 Muscle-ups 75 Squats. Now days the workouts are routinely 5-7 rounds. Well, in 10 years I've gone from 36 to 46 years old and the RX'd workouts are not as easy or safe for me as they were in 2008. I've continued to do Crossfit workouts but have realized the need to scale them for my ability. I understand HQ advancing the workouts for the benefit of the elite athletes but I do not understand them taking away what they already published (scaling and how-to-videos) for the rest of us average Joes that make up the bulk of their patronage. You've already produced the instructional videos, so making them is not available is no additional trouble. In fact, pulling them down from your site was more work than leaving them up. AND scaling for intermediates and beginners is not that difficult to add on a daily basis. Especially considering that you've previously runoff other sites that provided that service on your behalf. I don't understand the rational behind these HQ decisions and find them very disloyal to your base. I hope you'll reconsider your choices and bring back the videos and scaling soon.
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COLLIER PHILIPS
January 7th, 2019 at 3:03 am
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M, 27, 191 lbs, 6’0” / 10:34 Rx
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Nadia Shatila
January 7th, 2019 at 2:14 am
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17:21 rx
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Jeff Chalfant
January 7th, 2019 at 2:45 am
Nice work!
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Jason Catarino
January 7th, 2019 at 2:13 am
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19:58 RX
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Tom Perry
January 7th, 2019 at 1:40 am
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57 / 172 rx'd, 13:47; 4:05, 4:05, 5:37
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Jeff Chalfant
January 7th, 2019 at 1:37 am
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I thought I saw a lesson plan on Facebook for the recent deadlift/handstand workout a couple days ago! What was the other one they took down? Anyway they were fun while they lasted!
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Jeff Chalfant
January 7th, 2019 at 2:43 am
This was supposed to be a reply to a previous comment but oh well.
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Tim Coleman
January 7th, 2019 at 12:05 am
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10:57 30 strict pull ups, 20 jumping 100 push ups 150 squats
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Alex Wilson
January 6th, 2019 at 11:25 pm
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18:05 RX
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Marcus Willis
January 6th, 2019 at 8:33 pm
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M,5'11",212,23:11rxd
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Adam Flores
January 6th, 2019 at 8:14 pm
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11:16 w/strict ring pull ups 37/M/68”/171lbs
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Scott Jacobson
January 6th, 2019 at 7:17 pm
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5’8” / 160 lb / 20 / M Rx’d 10:45
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George Fryd
January 6th, 2019 at 4:08 pm
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14:52, rx or cindy format (5-10-15), pull ups were being subbed in places for some form of kip on the rebound (head was fully over bar for 95%). Missed 2 push up on last 2 sets.
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Rob Oblender
January 6th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
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No pull up bar so had to modify with a barbell and rack slightly. 9:37
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Simon Shirley
January 6th, 2019 at 2:19 pm
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14.44 fat bar pull ups Added a 5k onto the back for good measure 😨
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Russell Albrycht
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19:22, numbers Rx, pull-up subbed for combine row @165
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Rafael Bello Pereira
January 6th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
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12'54" 5 Rounds 5-10-15
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Jesus Carlos Rocha
January 6th, 2019 at 8:04 am
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16:42 Rx
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Joseph DiFidi
January 6th, 2019 at 6:42 am
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15:57 Rx M/46/200/71" Nice to be able to Rx a CrossFit.com WOD at the layover hotel gym!
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Brad Spears
January 6th, 2019 at 4:17 am
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44:33 Rx
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Max Machikin
January 6th, 2019 at 4:02 am
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24:03 Rx
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Kevin Boudreau
January 6th, 2019 at 3:45 am
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Super stoked to see so many people offering their opinions in constructive ways and the responses from HQ folks. In regards to the changes: I didn't like it at first, but now I do. I like the crutch being taken away. If you are serious about this stuff as a way of leading a healthy life, you'll adapt and overcome with the fitness knowledge you have acquired over your life. If your not serious about it, you'll move on to something else and be happy with that. If you are just starting, ask those who know. I'll end my thoughts with one of my favorite quotes: There is no growth in comfort and no comfort in growth. Semper Paratus!
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Kevin Boudreau
January 6th, 2019 at 3:46 am
18:98 rx forearm was bothering me some on the pullups, I may need to take time off from pulling. Other than that, this was much slower than I thought it would be.
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Pat Sherwood
January 6th, 2019 at 3:40 am
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
I have had the pleasure to hear Dr. Seyfried in person on several occasions. He is sharp, extremely well-experienced in his craft, and truly dedicated to improving the current situation and treatment of cancer...which is horrific. Determining if Dr. Seyfried is correct is beyond my capacity, but I hope he is. I have had family members suffer through the current protocols for treating cancer and it seems just as terrible as the disease itself.
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Robert Blehm
January 6th, 2019 at 3:10 am
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23:27 Rx
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Matthew Soltys
January 6th, 2019 at 3:10 am
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So I am still new to cross fit so I scaled mine. 50 pull ups using a green band 80 pushups using a green band 125 air squats. My time you ask? 35 min. I am way more out of shape than I thought.
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Skip Hanson
January 6th, 2019 at 2:23 pm
But you are more in shape than you were yesterday. Nice work!
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John Rossetti
January 6th, 2019 at 3:02 am
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53 YOM 5’6” 221 Scaled 5 rounds for time 10 assisted band chins 20 Push ups 30 Air Squats 26:28
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Aaron Hyatt
January 6th, 2019 at 2:53 am
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12:36
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Jonith Irving
January 6th, 2019 at 2:31 am
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CFWU: 5 strict dips, 5 kipping pullups some strict. No pullups or dips last round 29:38, rx'd. I have a cold, so I just did the work as best I could. Accessory: Three sets of: 15 Dumbbell Skull Crushers 15# dumbbells 15 Dumbbell Tate Press 15 Dumbbell Floor Press (perform as a complex laying flat on the floor.) Rest 30 seconds 45 seconds Hollow Hold 3, 2, 1...done
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Ryan Doherty
January 6th, 2019 at 2:18 am
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13:06 RX
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George Ponte
January 6th, 2019 at 2:08 am
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13:46 RX
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Jesse Montagnino
January 6th, 2019 at 1:33 am
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14:08 rx
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Jesse Montagnino
January 6th, 2019 at 1:34 am
D 14:08 30-60-90 Band- knee- squat
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Lori Scharenbroich
January 6th, 2019 at 1:30 am
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Scaled to 30 body rows (my gym doesn’t have rings)/60 Push-ups/90 Squats in 14:38. Goal was under 18
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Lori Scharenbroich
January 6th, 2019 at 1:30 am
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Scaled to 30 body rows (my gym doesn’t have rings)/60 Push-ups/90 Squats in 14:38. Goal was under 18
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King Dave
January 6th, 2019 at 1:23 am
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Thought I started my timer, but didn’t. Completed it RX. Took what seemed to be forever. Much tougher than I expected.
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Eric Love
January 6th, 2019 at 1:08 am
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I skied 50k. It took me 3hrs 42min. Regularly learn and play new sports. Stop whining about scaling. None of us knew what we were doing when we first started following .com..and with a little brain power we figured it out. The options are infinite and highly subjective and thus will be more productive and effective when you figure it on your own.
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Eric Love
January 6th, 2019 at 1:26 am
The WOD is a target, an aspiration. If you can't hit that target, figure out why, assess your weaknessess and hammer them home. Scaling is simply self-assessment in action. "Official Scaling" isn't scaling; it's just a different wod that may or may not help your particular weaknesses.
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Chloe Bauer
January 6th, 2019 at 12:15 am
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24:05, sub strict pull-ups for jumping chin-ups, sub kneeling push-ups for push-ups, RX air squats.
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Eli Oak
January 6th, 2019 at 12:12 am
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5 Rounds x 5 pull-ups (17 strict, 8 kipping), 10 push-ups 75 squats 5 Rounds x 5 pull-ups (8 strict, 17 kipping), 10 push-ups 75 squats 14:23 Goal was to keep moving and not spend several hours staring at the bar trying for 50 strict pull-ups :) I maybe missed the intent of the workout but still got some good exercise in. My legs are toast from a morning of teleskiing and from snowshoeing yesterday with about 45lbs on my back.
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David Mitchell
January 6th, 2019 at 12:03 am
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Really do love the direction CrossFit is heading. The health space as it is today needs the correction and CrossFit is leading the charge.
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Cristhiaan Ochoa
January 5th, 2019 at 11:35 pm
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12:12 Rx movements but partioned.
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Michael Marleau
January 5th, 2019 at 11:33 pm
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For time: 50 strict pull-ups 100 push-ups 150 squats 21:30
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Joseph Fox
January 5th, 2019 at 11:05 pm
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I am relatively new to all of this, but I have been following this discussion about scaling etc with some interest. It seems pretty straightforward to scale this. I always start with the question; "Can I even do the movements in the WOD?" I follow that with "Can I do the volume of movements as prescribed with good form?" If not, I either find similar movements that work the same muscle groups (or do skill work to eventually be succesful at the prescribed movement) and/or scale the volume of work to my ability set. Todays WOD contained movements I can do, but not even close to unbroken at that volume and not even at the prescribed volume without being absolutely destroyed for several days. (I plan to ski tomorrow, so I backed off a bit) I decided to set a goal of completing the work at 70% of the load, and then scaling/ breaking into sets that fit my ability. The result was 5 sets of 7-14-21, culminating in 35 pullups, 70 pushups, and 105 squats. I got the first three rounds in unbroken, but on the 4th my pull-ups were 4-3 and pushups 12-2 and on the 5th round, I went 4-1-1-1 on pull-ups and 10-3-1 on pushups. I did this in 14:25. My girlfriend did the WOD with me in the same rep scheme, but she can't do more than one pullup without bands, so she went banded and also did modified pushups against a box. I think with some creativity it's pretty easy to scale stuff. I can understand the competitive nature of wanting to know where you stand with people who scaled exactly the same as you, but at the end of the day, it's me vs. me when I workout. That's just my two cents.
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Jonathan Groves
January 5th, 2019 at 10:51 pm
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Did not time but did it backwards. 150 squats 100 table push ups 50 ring rows Was watching my daughter so had to get it in while she was eating and 50 strict pull-ups and 100 push ups supple of taking me awhile!!
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allen buck
January 5th, 2019 at 10:49 pm
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you is a BRAIN !!
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Sam Meixell
January 5th, 2019 at 10:36 pm
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14:32 30 pull-ups 65 push-ups 100 squats
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Francis Major
January 5th, 2019 at 10:24 pm
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19.14
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Tripp Starling
January 5th, 2019 at 9:49 pm
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"Crossfit training" on Facebook and Instagram have scaling options, when they do lessonplans for Mainsite WODs. They don't always do them but they're extremely helpful to me when they do them. There is a lesson plan for today's WOD
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Jeff Chalfant
January 7th, 2019 at 1:40 am
Not anymore
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Nicole Deaver
January 5th, 2019 at 9:43 pm
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14:48 Rx 100 push-ups took 10sec less than 50 pull-ups. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Pull-ups are still a weakness, but improving each time.
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Eli Oak
January 6th, 2019 at 12:15 am
Nice work!
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Tripp Starling
January 5th, 2019 at 9:40 pm
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Intermediate 30 strict pull-ups 70 push-ups 150 squats 13:38
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Paul Williams
January 5th, 2019 at 9:28 pm
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17:08...January is teaching me a lesson
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Elliott Harding
January 5th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
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35:44. Pullups (orange: 7, grey: 7, black: 36). Pushups (normal: 35, knees: 65). Next time, all black band and knees.
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Charlie Pokorny
January 5th, 2019 at 9:19 pm
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13:35 Rx m/50/5'11"/195#
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Amaury Chaumet
January 5th, 2019 at 9:17 pm
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23’ RX
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Tanya Azizi
January 5th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
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15:56
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Tanya Azizi
January 5th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
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15:56
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Jesse Delander
January 5th, 2019 at 8:37 pm
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13:08 RX
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Kury Janke
January 5th, 2019 at 8:27 pm
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Really tough one. I broke it up into two parts with my run. 3:40 for first half then ran two miles then completed second half at 8:44. Focused on changing my lifestyle but tough starting.
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David Swicegood
January 5th, 2019 at 8:18 pm
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25:42 10x 5 Medium black band pull up 10 PUs to snakes (3rd rd) 3x 50 air squats 2 of my weakest movements in here but a good chance to practice. Keep shoulders down in the PU. For the squat, hands to the side is better than hands in front. Keep core engaged, even in the bottom of the squat. Stretch that left side.
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Jocilyn Yarnell
January 5th, 2019 at 8:03 pm
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22:57 rx pullups took me 8 min and push-ups another 10 😂
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Nathanael Akin
January 5th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
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15:17 Rx. Tried to slog through pull ups and push ups going 10 & 20 at a time and then go all out blitz on the squats in sets of 50&60. Somewhat successful, but 5 sets of 10-20-30 still seems like my recipe for success.
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Blas Raventos
January 5th, 2019 at 8:00 pm
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I hear the demand for scaling orientation and my opinion is that is completely reasonable as well as necesary and intelligent. However, you guys we are crossfiters, that is, we love and train crossfit. If you need Scaling, and the freely prescribed mainsite wod does not offer one, have you thought about the benefits of killing two birds usong only one stone? by supporting CrossFit and learning how to scale properly via applying for the Scaling online course, in my view would be just that. Just my 2c's.
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richy richardson
January 5th, 2019 at 10:07 pm
No mate not everyone is a ceoasfitter and a lot of people don't have time to do bolocks online courses. Just bring back the scaling and advice and actually be a useful site again lol
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Nathan Bynum
January 5th, 2019 at 7:49 pm
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20:33 Rx, this the 3rd time I have tried to post my time but I still don’t see it.
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NA
January 5th, 2019 at 7:47 pm
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RX 18:32
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Benjamin Schill
January 5th, 2019 at 7:30 pm
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M/41/6’3”/215 15:29
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Chad Theron
January 5th, 2019 at 7:20 pm
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16:02 RX
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Chelsea Reynolds
January 5th, 2019 at 7:14 pm
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17:33 and I feel death
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Kelly Steadman
January 5th, 2019 at 7:00 pm
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Please bring back the scaled options. That was the best change CrossFit had made to the website, the most helpful and inclusive addition..... please bring it back.
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Kelly Steadman
January 5th, 2019 at 11:21 pm
Just another comment- I have been to the Level 1 seminar twice now, in 2009/10 ish, again in June 2018. Been to the games, twice. The quick access to the WOD, and scaled options, by visiting the one site, .com, and not having to jump around social media bs to figure out how best to scale... damn it just MAKE IT EASY! (EASIER). BRING SCALED OPTIONS BACK! Also, the website is terribly boring now. It needs more energy, like Malleolo-energy! Come on! Let’s go!
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Romain Grelier
January 5th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
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30 pull-ups 70 push-ups 150 air squat 14:52
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Js Smith
January 5th, 2019 at 6:53 pm
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Scaled to 50 ring rows 100 knee push-ups 150 squats 18:51 Goal was to stay under 19 👍🏼
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Rick Roman
January 5th, 2019 at 6:50 pm
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17:40 🖖🏾🏋🏽‍♂‚️
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Yura Gorbach
January 5th, 2019 at 6:40 pm
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13:45 RX
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Joe Alexander
January 5th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
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18:05 Rx "I'll just make up some time on the squats" did not prove to be a successful strategy. Nice chipper!
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Shane Azizi
January 5th, 2019 at 6:35 pm
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11:48 rx
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Matt Bischel
January 5th, 2019 at 6:30 pm
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11:58 Rxd. The push ups saved me in the 1,2,3 workout, but crushed me in this one. Also, the pull-ups went fast. And the squats were tough.
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Reymond Kiddoo
January 5th, 2019 at 6:21 pm
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22:19 Rx
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Steve Adams
January 5th, 2019 at 6:04 pm
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12:13 Rx
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Clarke Read
January 5th, 2019 at 5:56 pm
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
Taking a step back to Jeff Glassman’s 1/3/19 post…if we looked at Seyfried’s conjecture (MMT, the mitochondrial mutation theory) and compared it to the common alternative (SMT, the somatic mutation theory), which would we find more consistent with existing evidence? Which requires fewer exceptions and modifications? Seyfried here makes the case nuclear gene mutations are both insufficient and unnecessary to initiate tumorigenesis, which would seem to rule them out as the primary insult. That said, given the frequency with which they are observed, the true primary insult would need to consistently cause these mutations over time, consistently be observed in cancer, and originate in the cytoplasm to be more consistent with the nuclear transfer data Seyfried cites. The MMT seems more consistent with the observations Seyfried presents than the SMT, while remaining sufficient to explain the other defects commonly observed in cancer. As Seyfried notes, it’s also compelling from an Occam’s Razor perspective. It may be that the genetic heterogeneity observed in cancer reflects the true course of the disease. But if there were an explanation that accounted for this observed heterogeneity but was simpler in itself - and the MMT succeeds on both counts - it would seem worth exploring until it has been clearly supported or discredited. Doesn’t mean it’s right, of course. I’m curious how the broader cancer community responds to Seyfried’s core conjecture (to use Glassman’s terminology strictly) and his observations. If, as he argues, mitochondrial defects are universal in cancer, and given the prominence of Warburg’s work, this hypothesis cannot be obscure, and can’t have gone unchallenged. Having not yet read his critics, I suspect there are observations this model fails to explain. I see a source has already been suggested here, I look forward to digging into this one and others.
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Huey Kwik
January 5th, 2019 at 5:52 pm
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11:10 25/50/75, did in sets of 5/10/15 assisted pull ups after first round
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Dave DeCoste
January 5th, 2019 at 5:50 pm
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14:39 Rx
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:47 pm
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Just noticed, as I was paging thru and commenting on people's comments...every time you "reply to" the site takes you back to the top of the comments section. Makes commenting, and thus furthering the sense of community, a little more difficult. All that said, we're still very lucky to get this programming for free. So Coach, I hope you make some fixes to the site, but this 8+ year barn/garage CFer still appreciates what you and the team do for us.
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Skip Hanson
January 5th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
Jim, we noticed the same thing about commenting. It's in the queue. Cheers.
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Eric Henry
January 5th, 2019 at 5:40 pm
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656 rx
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Eric Henry
January 5th, 2019 at 5:43 pm
Non weighted
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Halil Ozsoy
January 5th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
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50 Pull-up 💪, 150 push-up 💪 150 squats Thanks 🙏 for training, Total time 15;16 Rx.
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:35 pm
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FWIW, I also miss the scaling options, even though I did CF for years before they were offered. Agree w/ Travis, tough; that self-scaling runs the risk of scaling into one's comfort zone. What I miss most on the new site is the "compare to" link back to the last time the WOD was prescribed. Really helped us compare our progress (or regression, sometimes!) over time. I have a spreadsheet to track my WODs, but that doesn't tell me when I last did a particular workout.
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Js Smith
January 5th, 2019 at 6:55 pm
Agreed, Jim! The compared to was handy & definitely helps the you vs you tracking
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Tim Miller
January 5th, 2019 at 5:34 pm
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11:34 rx’d
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Michael Arko
January 5th, 2019 at 5:34 pm
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Everybody's commenting on the scaling. I agree with most: it really helps as a guideline because I'm too old/small/weak to do most of these Rx. But what REALLY helps is the explanation of the WOD objectives: whether it's designed to be a sprint or a 1RM, or whatever we should be trying to achieve. Expanding on how to approach the WOD has been SO HELPFUL to understand how to scale/sub, what to expect, etc. -- whether with the videos or in writing, that's EXTREMELY helpful.
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Eli Oak
January 5th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
I completely agree. I usually fell between the different levels but when they posted the intent of the workout, I could adjust as necessary.
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Michael Arko
January 5th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
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12:42 Rx (mostly - I kipped the last 11 pull-ups). But this feels like a half-a-Murph so I added the other half: I started and ended by running 1/2 mile on my elliptical (Level 6). No vest, though. TOTAL time including elliptical = 25:20.
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
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After CF Warm-up, a little lifting...8-9-10-11 deadlift, with 215#. Bar too cold to go much heavier. Then, 13:43 rx. Pull-ups took until 5:54, then to 9:15 for the push-ups.
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Gavin Carruth
January 5th, 2019 at 5:25 pm
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14:56 rx M/6-3/215lbs
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Todd Tibbetts
January 5th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
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Just a quick note on workout scaling.... While I applaud the renewed focus of the CrossFit organization on health and wellness, taking down the workout scaling is counterproductive. If your goal is to get the woman from the Jan 2nd photo off the couch, you need to demonstrate how the workouts can be made easily accessible to all fitness levels. It doesn't matter if scaling is easy, widely available, etc etc. The presence of scaling on the "official" page serves as a validation to newcomers of the entire idea of scaling. It "proves" to every new person who lands on the site that Crossfit is specifically targeted at *them*, wherever they happen to be in their fitness journey. It is emotionally satisfying to complete an "official" workout. For many people, scaling on their own feels like a failure, like they couldn't hack it. It's not logical, but it's emotionally true for many people. Bringing back the scaling will make the site much more appealing to those you are most interested in helping.
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James Battle
January 5th, 2019 at 5:31 pm
Could not agree more. Well said.
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:44 pm
Amen Todd.
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richy richardson
January 5th, 2019 at 7:17 pm
Great post. Agreed.
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Eric Landerville
January 5th, 2019 at 7:19 pm
Truth
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James Thomas
January 5th, 2019 at 8:16 pm
Agreed. Very well said Todd
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Nathan Michael King
January 5th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
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16:46 Rx
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Jacob Daniel
January 5th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
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6:10 Male 6’1”, 207lbs, age 29. Madison County Fire Richmond,Ky This WOD whipped my a$$. Seems simple enough 50/100/150. Ended up sucking wind like crazy. Almost threw up, but it was fun. I think the key is establishing a good pace number for each move. I settled with 10 pull up , to 20push up, to 30 squats. Great job everyone! Push yourself and grow. 👍🇺🇸🔥💪
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Jacob Daniel
January 5th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
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6:10 Male 6’1”, 207lbs, age 29. Madison County Fire Richmond,Ky This WOD whipped my a$$. Seems simple enough 50/100/150. Ended up sucking wind like crazy. Almost threw up, but it was fun. I think the key is establishing a good pace number for each move. I settled with 10 pull up , to 20push up, to 30 squats. Great job everyone! Push yourself and grow. 👍🇺🇸🔥💪
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Jake Isaac
January 5th, 2019 at 5:07 pm
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8:29, almost puked but still got it done... AFTER a full leg workout (push day)
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Mark Rosenquist
January 5th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
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20:06 RX. Almost broke 20.
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sebastien cote
January 5th, 2019 at 4:44 pm
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15:24 rx with 20lbs weighted vest
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Stacey Thompkins
January 5th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
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M/44/6'2"/185 From @smashwerx 16 min Amrap 3 MBC's 20#/6 pushups/9 squats 22 rds + 1 MBC
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Saurabh Arora
January 5th, 2019 at 4:40 pm
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21:58 Rx
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P W
January 5th, 2019 at 4:34 pm
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18:44 RX M/44/6’5/243
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Mike Andridge
January 5th, 2019 at 4:27 pm
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@ CrossFit Forgiven- Partner wod 800m run 100 ring dips 100 pull ups everytime you break, 5 burpees (I did a lot of burpees) 800m run 100 squats 100 kbs 53# everytime you break, 5 burpees (10 burpees) 800m run untimed m/48/175
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:42 pm
Wow! That's some Saturday am punishment! Only 10 burpees in round 2...great job!
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Francis Major
January 5th, 2019 at 4:24 pm
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Air squat????
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:40 pm
Yes.
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Danny Bostwick
January 5th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
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16:50 Rx. Seeing Coach comment on the main site again is so exciting.
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
Agree!
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Jeremy Meier
January 5th, 2019 at 4:13 pm
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11:09 rx
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Jeremy Meier
January 5th, 2019 at 4:14 pm
My bad I did it partitioned 5/10/15 x 10 so I guess not Rx format
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Jon Dickens
January 5th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
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15'01" RX Pull ups took ages!!
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Mohammad Khabbazan
January 5th, 2019 at 4:04 pm
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Rx 13;30
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Robert Norbryhn
January 5th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
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14:39 Rx'd.
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Brian Conti
January 5th, 2019 at 3:33 pm
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17:54 Rx
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T.K. Schiefer
January 5th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
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Sets of 5-10-15 Total Time: 11:55
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James Watson
January 5th, 2019 at 3:18 pm
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About the scaling options. If you've done Crossfit regularly for more than one year you should already know how to scale. I'm not a trainer nor am I that bright, but I know from experience what the options. If you have less than 12 months CF experience then I'm sorry but you should go to a box and get proper training from an experienced coach. Final thing, go read the page about all the legal battles Greg Glassman has to deal with and I guarantee you'll feel a lot more grateful that Crossfit even exists at all, with or without scaling options (for free of course).
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Dmitry Zolotyh
January 5th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
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For time: 30 strict pull-ups 70 push-ups 150 squats 21:29
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Krista Jones
January 5th, 2019 at 3:04 pm
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28:50 Hi Coach!
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Benjamin Holmes
January 5th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
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16:00 5/10/15 ten rounds
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Mike Warkentin
January 5th, 2019 at 2:51 pm
Commented on: Anatomical Planes & Axes
It’s well worth going through the drawing exercise Lon recommends here. A lot of us say “frontal plane” when coaching but don’t really think about exactly what that means. Similarly, reviewing the other two planes can add some variety to programming. I can’t remember the last time I did a somersault, so it’s high time I did a few. I might pass on the axel jump for now, but I’ll take a few slap shots instead for some rotation.
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Rory Mckernan
January 6th, 2019 at 10:16 am
Heads up, Mike, your Canada is showing! I also found the drawing exercise very useful. I've long been a Lon fan - could not be happier to have his work back on this site.
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Jeremie Sanna
January 5th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
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I'm following the wods almost everyday here in France and I was really glad to have the scaling option with the small description. Now that it's gone this is like another wod app... It's a mistake I think.
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Christopher Voght
January 5th, 2019 at 2:42 pm
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19:44 Rx
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Kyle Smock
January 5th, 2019 at 2:42 pm
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M/44yo/5'8/206_lbs. 11:32 intermediate option
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VitorAndré Cardoso
January 5th, 2019 at 2:39 pm
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13’40”
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Claire Fiddian-Green
January 5th, 2019 at 2:33 pm
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19:15. Scaled strict pull ups to 50 Kipping pull ups. Push ups and squats Rx. Began with a 1.0 mile run, untimed.
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Pavel Stas
January 5th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
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15:19 rx
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John Clarke
January 5th, 2019 at 2:29 pm
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Warmup - 1 mile run, handstand practice WOD- 12:23 RX Anyone know how to track with main site programming on BTWB?
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John Clarke
January 5th, 2019 at 3:18 pm
Found it - had tried others before ‘Main Site’
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Gabe Bird
January 5th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
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12:49
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Vincent Dahlqvist
January 5th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
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19:50 Rx🤪💪🏻
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Mary Russell
January 5th, 2019 at 2:07 pm
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
Noted skeptic David Gorski MD
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Mary Russell
January 5th, 2019 at 2:06 pm
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Seyfried has plenty of critics, and has drawn the attention of noted skeptic and cancer surgeon (no industry shill, he) who wrote the following criticism of Seyfreid:https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ketogenic-diets-for-cancer-hype-versus-science/
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Clarke Read
January 5th, 2019 at 6:28 pm
Thank you for posting this. It's always helpful to see critics' viewpoints, at the very least to understand where a model is strong and weak. Gorski focuses on a narrower claim from Seyfried which to me demands a higher burden of proof - his claim that a ketogenic diet is a uniquely effective anticancer regimen. Assuming he quotes Seyfried and the evidence correctly (and I've no reason to believe he doesn't), his pushback seems valid, and while there may be a kernel of truth in this particular Seyfried statement, the whole nut seems shaky at best. The fact that it's only been supported by preliminary data doesn't mean it's wrong, of course, but it does warrant skepticism. Which is a bit unfortunate, because I'm sure this stronger claim (the KD claim) can be invalid, or only partially valid, without invalidating the core MMT. The first claim in Gorski's final paragraph - that metabolic abnormalities and genetic defects in cancer are a chicken and egg problem - is seriously unsatisfying, but could also be right. I would hope that if we do fall back to the "cancer is really complicated" argument, it's because we are confident it truly is a highly variable disease, not because we've simply failed to understand some simpler underlying character. Obviously lots more to this discussion.
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Greg Glassman
January 6th, 2019 at 3:19 pm
190105 Comments Thank you, Mary. I too found Gorski looking for a challenge or response to Seyfried’s MMT. That was the best challenge I found. I also really like Gorski (hopefully not because he slams Mercola has said some stupid shit about CF, and when we talked to him it was clear he had no idea what CF was and worse yet hadn’t even looked at the website). I also know Thomas Seyfried personally and I know of his enthusiasm for ketogenic diets as adjuvant therapies for cancer . I’ve also asked him if ketogenic diets cure cancer and the response was an instant, “no!”. I share Gorski’s enthusiasm for upcoming research examining this hypothesis/theory. But, Seyfried isn’t the ketogenic-diets-stop-cancer guy, he’s the researcher who posits that the MMT better explains cancer than the SMT, and for me, reading Gorski for any refutation of MMT or support for SMT I find NOTHING!! His chicken and egg response is a whiff that would make an engineer or scientist familiar with the natural phenomenon of feedback chuckle. Metabolic derangement that causes genetic damage that further damages metabolism of the mitochondria gives Gorski his chicken and egg and makes Seyfried correct and cancer a metabolic disease. To refute Seyfried’s theory (Clarke, I think it’s a theory and not a hypothesis while agreeing with Gorski that the evidence is incomplete or thin currently) I need explanation of the nuclear transfer experiments referenced in the current study. If Seyfried’s enthusiasm for ketogenic diets is the best response to the study we’ve posted here then it looks like Seyfried’s critics are letting his primary assertion go unchallenged. Gorski is critical of Seyfried, while being somewhat respectful and a tad snarky, but what he didn’t do is bring any kind of challenge to MMT or support for SMT and the issue is hot, fascinating, and I would think potentially significant for therapeutic advances in oncology and cancer treatment. And in disclosure, CrossFit has helped fund some of Seyfried’s research and I consider him to be a personal friend. I would greatly appreciate any science that challenges Seyfried’s fundamental proposition that cancer has its origins in the mitochondria and that the nuclear damage is a downstream effect.
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Greg Glassman
January 6th, 2019 at 3:35 pm
Thank you, Mary. I too found Gorski looking for a challenge or response to Seyfried’s MMT. That was the best challenge I found. I also really like Gorski (hopefully not because he slams Mercola who has said some stupid shit about CF, and when confronted via phone made it clear he had no idea what CF was and worse yet hadn’t even looked at the website). I also know Thomas Seyfried personally and I know of his enthusiasm for ketogenic diets as adjuvant therapies for cancer . I’ve also asked him if ketogenic diets cure cancer and the response was an instant, “no!”. I share Gorski’s enthusiasm for upcoming research examining this hypothesis/theory. But, Seyfried isn’t the ketogenic-diets-stop-cancer guy, he’s the researcher who posits that the MMT better explains cancer than the SMT, and for me, reading Gorski for any refutation of MMT or support for SMT I find NOTHING!!! His chicken and egg response is a swing and a miss that would make an engineer or scientist familiar with the natural phenomenon of feedback chuckle. Metabolic derangement of the mitochondria that initiates genetic damage in the nucleus that further damages metabolism of the mitochondria gives Gorski his chicken and egg and makes Seyfried correct and cancer a metabolic disease. To refute Seyfried’s theory (Clarke, I think it’s a theory and not a hypothesis while agreeing with Gorski that the evidence is incomplete or currently only thin.) I need explanation of the nuclear transfer experiments referenced in the study shared here today. If Seyfried’s enthusiasm for ketogenic diets is the best response to this study then it looks like Seyfried’s critics are letting his primary assertion go unchallenged. Gorski is critical of Seyfried, while being somewhat respectful and a tad snarky, but what he didn’t do is bring any serious challenge to MMT or support for the SMT, and the issue is hot, fascinating, and I would think potentially significant for therapeutic advances in oncology and cancer treatment. I would greatly appreciate any science that challenges Seyfried’s fundamental proposition that cancer has its origins in the mitochondria and that the nuclear damage is a downstream effect. In disclosure, CrossFit has helped fund some of Seyfried’s research and I consider him to be a personal friend.
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Mary Russell
January 6th, 2019 at 6:21 pm
To be fair, Greg, the Gorski article was from 2014 and the Seyfried piece was published in Cell in 2015, so Gorski’s argument doesn’t sidestep but predates Seyfried’s points. I find that, whatever the merit of the hypothesis posed by Seyfried, his willingness to run ahead of the evidence IRT the Ketogenic Diet(discusses in detail in the Gorski piece) as well as his history of using poor quality or preliminary research to reach a conclusion before one is warranted, makes me less inclined to be receptive to his arguments. At any rate, time will tell, and I look forward to more quality research in this area. Best regards.
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Greg Glassman
January 7th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
Hi Mary, Continuing the fairness I’ll also point out that Seyfried published his book “Cancer as a Metabolic Disease” in May of 2012, and “Cancer as a Metabolic Disease - Implications for Novel Therapeutics” in Oncogenesis in March of 2014. Both deal extensively and centrally with the MMT and SMT. I’m assuming Gorski knew of both works, but it’s possible that he hadn’t. Maybe when he saw Seyfried on Mercola he didn’t look for these other works. That would be odd. I find it more likely that Gorski took personal and professional umbrage, maybe outrage at Seyfried’s impugning Gorski’s profession. I get that. I’d be pissed too. Check this out from the piece Seyfried published in Oncogenesis: “Several investigators showed that tumorigenicity is suppressed when cytoplasm from non-tumorigenic cells, containing normal mitochondria, is combined with nuclei from tumor cells (40—44). Moreover, the in vivo tumorigenicity of multiple human and animal tumor types is suppressed when the nucleus from the tumor cell is introduced into the cytoplasm of a non-tumorigenic cell (45—48). Tumors generally did not form despite the continued presence of the tumor-associated mutations. The nuclear gene mutations documented in mouse brain tumors and melanomas were also detected in the normal embryonic tissues of the mice derived from the tumor nuclei (47,48). Some embryos derived from tumor nuclei, which contained major chromosomal imbalances, proceeded through early development forming normal appearing tissues before dying. Despite the presence of tumor-associated aneuploidy and somatic mutations, tumors did not develop from these tumor-derived nuclei (49). Boveri also found that sea urchin embryos with chromosomal imbalances developed normally to gastrulation but then aborted (25,29). Hochedlinger et al. (48) showed that nuclei derived from melanoma cells were unable to direct complete mouse development due presumably to the chromosomal imbalances and irreversible tumor-associated mutations in the melanoma nucleus. Tumors did not arise in the embryos derived from the melanoma nuclei. These findings suggest that the nuclear genomic defects in these tumor cells have more to do with directing development than with causing tumors.” Here are the references sited: 40. Koura M., et al. (1982). Suppression of tumorigenicity in interspecific reconstituted cells and cybrids. Gann, 73, 574—580 [PubMed] 41. Israel B.A., et al. (1987). Cytoplasmic suppression of malignancy. In Vitro Cell. Dev. Biol., 23, 627—632 [PubMed] 42. Shay J.W., et al. (1988). Cytoplasmic suppression of tumorigenicity in reconstructed mouse cells. Cancer Res., 48, 830—833 [PubMed] 43. Howell A.N., et al. (1978). Tumorigenicity and its suppression in cybrids of mouse and Chinese hamster cell lines. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. U. S. A., 75, 2358—2362 [PMC free article] [PubMed] 44. Jonasson J., et al. (1977). The analysis of malignancy by cell fusion. VIII. Evidence for the intervention of an extra-chromosomal element. J. Cell Sci., 24, 255—263 [PubMed] 45. McKinnell R.G., et al. (1969). Transplantation of pluripotential nuclei from triploid frog tumors. Science, 165, 394—396 [PubMed] 46. Mintz B., et al. (1975). Normal genetically mosaic mice produced from malignant teratocarcinoma cells. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. U. S. A., 72, 3585—3589 [PMC free article] [PubMed] 47. Li L., et al. (2003). Mouse embryos cloned from brain tumors. Cancer Res., 63, 2733—2736 [PubMed] 48. Hochedlinger K., et al. (2004). Reprogramming of a melanoma genome by nuclear transplantation. Genes Dev., 18, 1875—1885 [PMC free article] [PubMed] 49. Seyfried T.N. (2012). Mitochondria: the ultimate tumor suppressor. In Cancer As a Metabolic Disease: On the Origin, Management, and Prevention of Cancer. John Wiley & Sons, Hoboken, NJ, pp. 195—205 This was all available on line in Dec. of 2013. If Gorski didn’t see this before writing in One 0f 2014, well, OK. If he didn’t look it up after seeing Seyfried on Mercola, he certainly should have. And most importantly of all, an honest, and yes, Mary, fair, and scientific inquiry would address these experiments in nuclear and cytoplasmic transfers and the challenge they present to the SMT of Oncogenesis. I’ve got to reject those experiments or reject the SMT, or find someone who can stitch them together somehow, but taking Seyfried to task for his support of ketogenic diets is sidestepping the more important query as to whether our most fundamental appreciation of the biology of cancer is flawed. I think it may be but Gorski didn't address the science. Why?
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Derek Chan
January 5th, 2019 at 2:02 pm
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Rx Broke it down into 5rds 10/20/30 7:13
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Lisa Stanley
January 5th, 2019 at 1:52 pm
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14:25 Broken as follows: 5 jumping pull ups 10 push ups (chest to ground) 30 air squats
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John Kianka
January 5th, 2019 at 1:37 pm
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28.27, added the 20lb vest for extra pain! Great way to start the weekend. Have a great day all. Semper Fi Marines! Ooh Rahh
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Amy Schaeffler
January 5th, 2019 at 1:30 pm
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Please bring back the scaling options on the landing page for the WOD....pleasssssssseee....?
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Tarun Sharma
January 5th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
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20min 49sec Rx
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Juan Sokol
January 5th, 2019 at 12:41 pm
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15'50"
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Hendrik Bünzen
January 5th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
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16:40 rx’d
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marcus mcclain
January 9th, 2019 at 11:58 am
Jawohl!
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Arlin Mowatt
January 5th, 2019 at 12:26 pm
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14’58”, 48M, rx
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Ryan Mak
January 5th, 2019 at 12:21 pm
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Great fundamentals for anyone thinking about how movement works!
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shane miley
January 5th, 2019 at 11:42 am
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Seems to me there is no scaling for any of these workouts, if your fitter you simply do it faster.
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Patrik Hermansson
January 5th, 2019 at 11:37 am
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30 strikt pullups 70 pushups 110 airsquats Time:12:05
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Alessandro Meloni
January 5th, 2019 at 11:36 am
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Man 43ys 175cm 78kg 18:10
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Danudech Srisangchantara
January 5th, 2019 at 11:28 am
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21:02 RX
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Federico Rossi Mori
January 5th, 2019 at 11:21 am
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18:09 RX Coach marco 17:46 RX Coach michele 17:41 RX
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Peter Abplanalp
January 5th, 2019 at 11:20 am
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Let me begin by saying that I like the new design of the website. It is clean with no unnecessary fluff. I like the additional posts on health in addition to the wod. However, I do think that the missing scaled version of the wod is a mistake. Yesterday lynne said that the site was trying to teach people to fish instead of giving them a fish sandwich. well, it seems one segment of the cf community still gets the fish sandwich but it is the wrong segment. The segment that gets the fish sandwich is experienced, those are the folks that are best able to do the scaling. The beginner, the individual with no experience coming to the site for the first time is left with an unreasonable amount of pull-ups and may just give up and go elsewhere and by elsewhere I mean an NCSA certified trainer in a globo-gym. If cf's stated goal is to help make everyone more fit, shouldn't it start with the least fit? If posting 3 wods is too much work, why not post a beginner wod that the experienced folks can scale up? A quick note on relying on others for scaling: while i appreciate everyone's attempts to fill this void, in the past they haven't been consistent. Before there were scaled wods at cf.com, I used to go to the crossfit training website but the scaled option was not always there or very late. This last year, hq got the scaled wod up there *every day*. Also, scaling in the comments section leaves those wanting it left to scroll through a ton of content to find it. On 12/31, it was available right at the top.
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Peter Abplanalp
January 5th, 2019 at 11:32 am
Sorry, one more thing. The best thing about the hq scaled wod was the fact that it was already in beyond the white board for me to just log. Btwb is a fantastic product!
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Amy Schaeffler
January 5th, 2019 at 1:31 pm
Well said, Peter!
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Robert DiTursi
January 18th, 2019 at 2:53 am
Well said Sir!!
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Kelvin Amegashie
January 5th, 2019 at 10:02 am
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My finishing time 29:38 mins I used 17kg dumbbells for 50 squats and 100 body weight squats.
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Vincent Dahlqvist
January 5th, 2019 at 9:47 am
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Hi, Some help and guidance based on postings since 1 January when this page changed and some us miss the scailing options etc. 1)start following crossfit training on Instagram where you can find the complete training plan for daily WODs. 2)start following crossfit training on Facebook where you can find the same as above. 3)continue register your results here for building facts and benchmarks for our community Wishing you all a great fitness year🙏
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Matt Springer
January 5th, 2019 at 6:45 pm
4) Practice writing scaled options for yourself, first, and then compare notes to those resources second. Grow the body, MIND, and spirit.
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Eric Landerville
January 5th, 2019 at 7:15 pm
Unless you see a different Instagram or Facebook then I do, neither of those have had scaling since Christmas. Good luck in your fitness!
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Il Xlll
January 5th, 2019 at 9:38 am
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16:50
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Dmytro Karandashov
January 5th, 2019 at 9:07 am
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22:10 rx (strict pull ups went to heavy)
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Dmytro Karandashov
January 5th, 2019 at 9:07 am
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22:10 rx (strict pull ups went to heavy)
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Dan Foster
January 5th, 2019 at 8:48 am
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Since didn't have scaled did RX 15:25
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Rick FLYNN
January 5th, 2019 at 8:18 am
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To be honest as a amateur CrossFit athlete, I rely on the scaling & the tutorial videos. If these are taken away I don’t see why I should pay my subscription on this anymore. I can get WODS from apps now & other sites. I don’t need the CrossFit site. This is very sad as I thought CrossFit catered for all levels in The CrossFit community. i come on here to workout, not to read about cancer & obesity articles. If that’s your objective now then I’d rather cancel my subscription & just choose a WOD for myself from the thousands available on apps etc.
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Matt Springer
January 5th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
CrossFit.com is public domain. It is free. What are you taking about, Rick? Many comments, yours included, showcase an alarming sense of entitlement and unconsciousness within the community. Here's the reality: These workouts are suggestions and frameworks for doing. At the end of the day, we ALL need to be able to discern individual scaling options. Take the time to education yourself on the matter, and you will be better for it.
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richy richardson
January 5th, 2019 at 6:47 pm
Agreed this has gone down hill. Today's page is a load of crap.
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Mike Andridge
January 5th, 2019 at 9:57 pm
I come on here to work on my fitness and education. Health is a vital part of fitness.
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Rajat Samanta
January 5th, 2019 at 6:48 am
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17min RX!
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Dyon Torrell
January 5th, 2019 at 5:55 am
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11:17:78 rx. Strict pull ups in 4 minutes, strict push ups and squats dragged on.
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Mohamed Mounir
January 5th, 2019 at 5:54 am
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12min 10 sec Rx
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Michael Schaal
January 5th, 2019 at 5:33 am
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17:35 RX Always need more work on my upper body pushing stamina. Thanks for the reminder .com
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Weon-Woo Lee
January 5th, 2019 at 11:28 am
13:45 RX
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Brett Fforde
January 6th, 2019 at 9:01 pm
28:30 RX you boys crushed it
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Jung Won Yoon
January 5th, 2019 at 5:28 am
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13:23 RX
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Allison Autrey
January 5th, 2019 at 4:57 am
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Looking and/or thinking about the 3D body in these planes and axes helps coaches see movement and make assessments on how to move and where to make adjustments.
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Chans Porter
January 5th, 2019 at 4:52 am
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If you’re looking for scaling options, crossfittraining instagram has scaling options for this. Good place to look daily for help
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Eric Landerville
January 5th, 2019 at 7:04 pm
No, it doesn't. The last time either Facebook or Instagram had scaling was Christmas
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Brittney Saline
January 5th, 2019 at 4:31 am
Commented on: Cancer as a Mitochondrial Metabolic Disease
I had the privilege of speaking with Dr. Seyfried a couple years ago. As he told me, "People say cancer’s a thousand diseases, and this is the result of the gene theory. But they’re all fermenting. They all have the same metabolic malady: They need glucose and glutamine to survive. Whether it’s a colon tumor, whether it’s a brain tumor, whether it’s a breast tumor, they’re all the same … if you look at it from the metabolic perspective, you see a singular disease of respiration.”
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Roberto Flores
January 22nd, 2019 at 9:19 pm
That cancer cells need glucose and glutamine to survive is not entirely true...that is when they are grown in a petri dish. As Warburg himself found in his research in the late 1960s, some cancer cells can survive without glucose (1). Importantly, in this study Warburg found that these cancer cells that can indeed survive without glucose are unable to grow. Survival and growth differ. Since then, other cancer cells have been found that can even grow without glucose, but do require other sugars like fructose (2). In addition, in the presence of glucose, cancer cells can grow without glutamine as long as another nitrogen source is present (3,4). These studies are done in a petri dish, but the in the body the environment is most definitely different. In the body, glucose and glutamine are always present in some amounts and targeting these metabolites is highly effective at reducing cancer cell growth (as Seyfried and others have found). References: 1. Warburg, O. H., Geissler, A. & Lorenz, S. On growth of cancer cells in media in which glucose is replaced by galactose. Hoppe-Seyler’s Zeitschrift Physiol. Chemie 348, 1686 (1967). 2. Wice, B. M., Reitzer, L. J. & Kennell, D. The continuous growth of vertebrate cells in the absence of sugar. J. Biol. Chem. 256, 7812 (1981). 3. Cheng, T. et al. Pyruvate carboxylase is required for glutamine-independent growth of tumor cells. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. 1—6 (2011). 4. Meng, M., Chen, S., Lao, T., Liang, D. & Sang, N. Nitrogen anabolism underlies the importance of glutaminolysis in proliferating cells. Cell Cycle 9, 3921 (2010).
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Sean Rockett
January 5th, 2019 at 3:30 am
Commented on: Anatomical Planes & Axes
Easy way to remember Sagittal plane is if you look down on head from above the suture in the skull looks like an arrow. Sagitta is Latin for arrow. Coronal is the suture where a crown would sit corona is Latin word for crown.
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Nate Richards
January 5th, 2019 at 8:12 pm
Nice tip to remember the Sagittal plane, Sean! Thanks!
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Dave Westerman
January 5th, 2019 at 3:13 am
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I am missing the scaling options as well. I think that it is a huge thing that a lot of the garage people really like. I don't have the option of going to a Box, the closest one to me is 100 miles away. I think it would also be great to get back the video tutorials that were on HQ last year. I will still keep coming on everyday and posting but I am hoping that HQ does continue to add things as they have done in the past. Have a great weekend everybody!
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Jeff Chalfant
January 5th, 2019 at 3:09 am
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Yummy looking WOD!
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James Battle
January 5th, 2019 at 2:39 am
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I miss the scaling notes and wish they were back.
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John Jackson
January 5th, 2019 at 2:24 am
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Even though the scaling option was new last year, my 43 year-old busy-dad-self really appreciated it. I've been doing Crossfit from the main-site in my garage gym here in San Jose, CA for 8 years and have learned to scale workouts myself, but I really enjoyed having it done for me and knowing others were doing the exact version with me. I love Crossfit!
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Travis Wester
January 5th, 2019 at 4:53 am
Same. The scaling helped me challenge myself and I really enjoyed them.
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Patrick Sommer
January 5th, 2019 at 8:04 am
Yes, I've really had a lot less stress, because I could just jump in and there it was.. this is so annoying
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Chris Sinagoga
January 5th, 2019 at 2:02 am
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Hey the Enter options work! Nice!
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Skip Hanson
January 5th, 2019 at 2:23 am
Thank you Chris! Sorry for that one.
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Chris Sinagoga
January 5th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
All good my man! It did that sometimes on the previous version of the site too. But I still use my laptop to view everything, and this thing is pretty old, so that might have something to do with it. Thanks again!
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Chris Sinagoga
January 5th, 2019 at 2:02 am
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Champions Club Scaling Notes: This one has me thinking just looking at if for the first time. My knee-jerk reaction is this is not "Forging Elite Fitness," but as I look longer this could be a really good one. I see this as mixing strength and stamina in the same workout. Intensity might not be too high here, and that's okay. Keep the first two exercises for quality then try to go unbroken on the squats. Here's some scales: GROUP SCALE - Pull-ups will be the tricky part because 1) ability or 2) bar space. I don't think it's a bad idea to have some newer people go kipping if their strength is not there. Kipping pull-ups take strength as well. Just reverse the grip (palms towards you) to keep the shoulder in a good position. For people that are on the fringe, don't get caught up in "chin-over-the-bar" as the standard. Any effort pulling is moving the needle towards where you went to go, whether that's eyes to bar, hair to bar, or whatever. A static hold at the top of the pull-ups might not be a bad idea either, especially if you don't want to use bands. I think you could get a lot done on this one by staying off the rings. Also, we like snaking up on push-ups as opposed to going to the knees. INJURY SCALE - if the shoulders are bothering you, I might opt for a plank hold (one-arm if needed, but stay square to the ground) and hollow body hold. If the knees or whatever is limiting a squat, try knees to elbows. INTENSITY SCALE - What I'm probably going to do for most people in my gym is to split the pull-ups variations and push-ups, then finish with all 150 squats. So something like 10 rounds of 5 pull-ups (slow/quality/etc.) and 10 push-ups. Squats I like to keep in a row because I coach basketball and I always yell at kids for coming out of their stance on defense. AJ and John have been pissing me off lately! Haha.
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Greg Glassman
January 5th, 2019 at 2:16 am
Thank you, Chris. Our community is replete with talent - you and this scaling note are exemplary of that notion.
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Chris Sinagoga
January 5th, 2019 at 2:57 am
Wow! Thanks Coach! That made my night!
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Greg Glassman
January 5th, 2019 at 3:58 am
Chris, you be the scaling guy. We post; you scale. Hit up Lynne (don't forget the -e on Lynne or you're fucked) and we'll give you advanced peak at the WOD's and you can scale away right here. And...drum roll...for you scaling fans, imagine this...take a stab at your fitness level one through ten, ten being - can do a pull-up, and one being a super CF'er. Here's your scale: take 190105 and divide it by your assessed fitness level; so...for some folks that might be 1 pull-up, 2 push-ups, and 3 squats, for time or not. The possibilities are as varied as are we. Chris can do this swimmingly well as can so very many. Thanks again, Chris! 'Night, All!
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Travis Wester
January 5th, 2019 at 5:04 am
No offense Coach, but I don't think you understand what people found so beneficial. I know the scaled workouts were a recent development, but they were an amazing addition to the community. Taking them away seems irrational and capricious.
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Thomas Jones
January 5th, 2019 at 9:54 am
Totally agree with Travis here. I am British Cop who works shifts and have 2 young kids. The scaling options meant I could check the site, look for the scaling option, and get on with it. Now I need to work out my perceived fitness level? Please coach, bring back the scaling options for my and, it appears, many others sanity!
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Melanie Hansen
January 5th, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Thank you:)
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Helen Lawson
January 6th, 2019 at 12:38 am
Travis, and others, what Coach basically said in a previous is post is that there are a ton of great fitness professionals that can scale the WODs for you. CrossFit HQ is going to focus on things that only CrossFit HQ can do such as promoting CrossFit in the medical community. Right now you may think "oh, this sucks...where are my scaled workouts?" However, there will be many in the greater CrossFit community that help out by posting scaled workouts. It may take them months to get on the band wagon as many of us CrossFit affiliate owners and Coaches don't rely on HQ to scale for us. Perhaps someone that has more time than I do could start a Facebook group for "CrossFit scaled WODs" and different Coaches could post their scaled options each day? I'd be happy to participate with some scaled options when I have the time, but I can't take on the initiative myself at this time. Good luck...and make sure you scale if you need to ... many people get injured trying to do the "RX" version when they aren't ready!
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Chris Sinagoga
January 7th, 2019 at 2:46 pm
So we're just getting around to this one today, and I realized I needed to do a better job with the push-up and pull-up scale.It took a couple of our morning parents close to 20 minutes to complete, and I think it should have been a little closer to the 12-15 minute range. I made some changes as the workout was going on, but the push-ups were definitely a limiting factor, even when snaking up. I'm going to keep tweaking up the reps/scales as the day progresses.
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David Swicegood
January 11th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
So the solution is for us to search in the comments, hoping that someone has posted a scaled workout? That doesn’t seem reliable. Please bring them back. Also, I think they’re key for keeping newbies from attempting the Rx workouts, injuring themselves, and becoming CrossFit haters for life. In the meantime, where can I find a site where scaled workouts are reliably posted? I didn’t see any on the CrossFit Training Facebook page that people mentioned. They were some on the IG page, but nothing for the past 2 weeks. Also (in case you’re monitoring the comments for bugs), I can’t log in on mobile from the WOD pages. I have to go back to the homepage, expand the menu, and log in from there. I’m using Chrome on iOS.
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Andy Gilmour-Jones
April 13th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
Time 28:28 Did Chris's scale: 10 x 5 pull ups 10 push ups. Broke both sets up into two smaller ones from the off. Then 10 x 15 squats. In retrospect should've gone for smaller totals/larger sets to increase intensity, but I'm just stoked to have made it through!
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Max Black
January 5th, 2019 at 1:56 am
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9:23 as Rxd
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Gregory Mountain
January 5th, 2019 at 1:51 am
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Is it typo 100 push ups then 100 push ups again ?
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Gregory Mountain
January 5th, 2019 at 1:54 am
Nvm.
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Israel Juarez
January 5th, 2019 at 1:42 am
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The WOD description in the email is wrong FYI. It shows 100 push-ups twice which I'm sure will confuse many.
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Nate Richards
January 5th, 2019 at 2:42 am
Thanks for pointing that out, Israel! We fixed it. Friends don't let friends do an extra set of 100 push-ups.
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James Thomas
January 5th, 2019 at 1:41 am
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Is there a reason why the scaling and instructional videos are gone? I’ve looked through the comments since January 1st and I don’t seem to find a clear answer. Is this a profit thing that CrossFit wants us to join local boxes rather than allow regular gym goers to benefit from the free website? If this is the direction HQ wants to go, does anyone know of any sites that post scaling alternatives?
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Travis Wester
January 5th, 2019 at 4:55 am
I second that. Maybe beyondthewhiteboard can step it up and keep things going with their Scaled track...?
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Marek Guman
January 5th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Crossfit training instagram account regularly posts excellent what they call lesson plans, with warm-ups, scalings, cool-downs.
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
Travis and Marek, that's all fine, but I'd rather not have to scan multiple sites every nite to prep for the next morning.
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Marek Guman
January 6th, 2019 at 12:11 pm
That's right Jim, not posting scalings is a big step back for me too. Instagram crossfit training doesn't have lesson plans every day. Fortunately, Chris Sinagoga started posting scalings in this comments forum.
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Marek Guman
January 6th, 2019 at 2:33 pm
And now the two lesson plans that were posted after 181225 Angie have been deleted from Instagram account. Seems like some seek & destroy operation is underway.
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Sean Wysocki
January 5th, 2019 at 1:33 am
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You can scale pull ups to banded pull ups or if you have rings, you can do ring rows. You can do pushups with your hands on a elevated surface such as a box or bench.
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Travis Wester
January 5th, 2019 at 4:51 am
We know that Sean. The issue isn't whether we know how to scale the workouts for others. The issue is that offering the scaled workouts gives a good indication of the scope of the stimulus the workout is designed to elicit. That, and one shouldn't scale a workout for oneself because there's a great chance of scaling it to what's comfortable -- and not to what is going to provoke the most beneficial adaptation.
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Jim Rix
January 5th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
Travis, your point is the most compelling rationale for HQ to offer the scaled workouts. Well made.
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Eric Landerville
January 5th, 2019 at 7:07 pm
Hear hear Travis
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Emanuel Erlewein
January 7th, 2019 at 11:36 am
Going with Travis on this. The Stimuli is just unknown to many of us in this case!
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Robert DiTursi
January 18th, 2019 at 2:49 am
I completely agree with Travis. Understanding the intent and stimulus of a given workout is absolutely essential to proper coaching and development of a lesson plan. Simply posting a WOD leaves too much room for interpretation.
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Tom Sherrill
January 5th, 2019 at 1:28 am
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I've followed Crossfit for many years. There has always been a resource for those of us who could not do the WOD as prescribed which encouraged beginners and older athletes. I can't understand why the scaling options are no longer shared with us and I'm very disappointed. It always felt like this wasn't simply for the elite athlete and now it does not. The fact that you refuse to offer any explanation doesn't help.
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Jeffrey Howard
January 5th, 2019 at 1:38 am
When I can't find it here, I usually go to the CrossFit Journal and YouTube page.
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Chris Sinagoga
January 5th, 2019 at 1:49 am
Yo Tom I started doing one for the workouts if you find them helpful
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Nate Richards
January 5th, 2019 at 2:36 am
That's rad you're doing that, Chris! Digging the "Champions Club Scaling Notes" you've been posting here. Keep it up.
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Chris Sinagoga
January 5th, 2019 at 2:53 am
Thanks Nate! Any feedback is great. Any ways I can make it better?
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Greg Glassman
January 5th, 2019 at 4:05 am
Hi Tom, thanks for the inputs, support, and kind words. Chris is super-scaler it seems. I think everyone that doesn't get it yet will be in great hands. I'd like to call you attention to the featured piece on cancer and the somatic mutation theory of oncogenesis. This is something that even Chris may not have given thought to. We are going to stay focused on doing those things that only we can and will do. Scaling isn't one of them. The talent around us is crazy deep.
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Donald Hope
January 5th, 2019 at 5:46 am
You should definitely check out the “Crossfit Training” Facebook page. Most WODs get posted with an entire lesson plan to include warm up, drills, scaling, and post WOD mobility.
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Glyn Blaize
January 5th, 2019 at 11:40 am
https://www.facebook.com/CrossFitTraining/photos/a.1669413953279950/2186818724872801/?type=3 Gives scaling options for beginner and intermediate Someone has prob said this already!!!
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Eric Landerville
January 5th, 2019 at 7:06 pm
For those posting that the crossfit training facebook has the scaling post a direct link. The last time crossfit training did a scale was Christmas. This is for both Facebook and Instagram
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Js Smith
January 5th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
I think HQ is out of the scaling game. IG & FB likewise bereft of this option. They were great because I need to scale for nearly everything due to injuries. If I have trouble getting ideas, I pull from all resources for ideas; google, YouTube, weightlifting sites, my old notes, you name it! Chris, thanks for your scaling suggestions, definitely helps me think outside my lil box for one to further expand my ideas!! 😃👏🏼
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Sam Meixell
January 5th, 2019 at 10:35 pm
Spot on Tom. It was super nice to just come to the webpage for everything I need.
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Melissa Ramirez
January 12th, 2019 at 2:48 am
if you can find a box or crossfit trainer they know how to scale workouts.This is a different sport but hopefully encourages you....https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/stephen-curry-underrated
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Robert DiTursi
January 18th, 2019 at 2:49 am
Understanding the intent and stimulus of a given workout is absolutely essential to proper coaching and development of a lesson plan. Simply posting a WOD leaves too much room for interpretation. Aside from scaling, the Lesson Plans posted on CrossFit Training was an invaluable tool for me, as a gym owner in fostering the spirit and intent of the WOD while enhancing the development of my coaches and saving valuable time. Mr. Glassman, I understand and agree with your inspiration for these changes but I must say that the abandonment of scaling notes and lesson plans because "the talent around us is crazy deep" is misinformed and illogical. There are many boxes, like my own, in rural areas with limited resources who wholeheartedly subscribe to the CrossFit methodology. But due to our geographic and economic limitations, our only option was to consult the CrossFit.com and CrossFit Training sites for well-needed and perfectly informed advice. This kept boxes like mine in lock-step with CrossFit. The now abandoned sites resulted in not only better informed and trained athletes but better informed and trained coaches as well. Please reconsider your decision.
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