February 23, 2014

Sunday 140223

Rest Day

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Ryan Cage, Ashburn, VA.


Offline, Episode 4: The "Knees Out" Cue - CrossFit Journal video [ipod] [mov] [HD mov]

Posted by Pukie at February 23, 2014 5:00 PM
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There ya go. Happy Rest Day everyone.

Comment #1 - Posted by: buffedout at February 22, 2014 6:00 PM

...and that's the day i stop associating with crossfit...the picture...really guys?

Comment #2 - Posted by: Cory at February 22, 2014 6:01 PM

Cory, does something offend you about the picture or is your fitness not increasing?

Comment #3 - Posted by: Gavin at February 22, 2014 6:05 PM

my abs are so sore from all the ghd work lately, the laugh i got from today's pic nearly crippled me !!

also, pete in sun city, if you're out there mate, let us know if all is ok

Comment #4 - Posted by: BL at February 22, 2014 6:05 PM

Ha ha! That is hilarious! Some people need to lighten up. That is classic Ryan!

Comment #5 - Posted by: Matt H. at February 22, 2014 6:06 PM

I think people need to stop taking life so serious. Laugh a little its all in good fun. Well done HQ!

Comment #6 - Posted by: Kri$ at February 22, 2014 6:08 PM

Looking forward to the comments...I mean really, 3 pics in a row of pistols? What's the world coming to?

Comment #7 - Posted by: Jim R. 51/5'8"/160 at February 22, 2014 6:11 PM

@Cory

That's all it took? Did you stop driving the minute someone did something that offended you?

Did the image change your life? You have neither seen a person naked nor been in snow? Perhaps you're better for it.

Comment #8 - Posted by: buffedout at February 22, 2014 6:13 PM

Well played.

Musings in the morning...

Comment #9 - Posted by: bingo at February 22, 2014 6:14 PM

Hilarious! Ryan cage, I used to think you where crazy but now I can see your nuts.

Comment #10 - Posted by: hollyhog at February 22, 2014 6:21 PM

All of these pistols makes me think I should start working on them more! And apparently I should practice nude as well!

Shoot away Crossfit.

Comment #11 - Posted by: Gdeal at February 22, 2014 6:22 PM

What Bingo said. Well played, indeed!

Comment #12 - Posted by: Glorybelle 5'5/135/44/F at February 22, 2014 6:27 PM

Both Gavin...if you'd like me to expound, continue reading...

The picture is too extreme. Yeah, I know that's relative, so tell me where the line is. There has to be one in your world.

Fitness not increasing. I've been doing this for 6 years...5k time never got any faster and nor did my max dead lift or squat. Yeah I know, work capacity across broad time and modal domains BUT I kept getting to the point of overtraining and starting over, which kept me in a hole rather than at the peak of my existence, which maybe the hype led me to have too high of expectations. I've spent a lot of time over at the brand x scaled wods and worked out the majority of my existence so I'm not some untrained couch potato throwing myself at main site wods. I have scar tissue built up in my lats, intercostals, and sub-scap from so many kipping pull-ups to failure or high rep I have to self mobilize everyday. I'm 27, I'd say thats pretty early for all the bodily breakdown when this is supposed to be the best way to train. It's been a vicious cycle and I've become tired of the game.

Recently, meaning the last 3 months, I've switched to RPT with the major lifts and I've added 85 lbs to my 3 rep max deadlift, now 385. Other lifts have gone up too and I do met cons on my own every once in a while. Took 4 mins off my 5k row the other day, it's now 20:02. I don't feel crippled working out this way anymore and generally just better. This of course could all be just me, but I really don't think its that uncommon.

You make your own call and do whatever you want. I'm not trying to change minds, be a crazed radical, or poke the hornets nest, these are just my experiences, and who knows, maybe someone is having the same issues, which I guessing there is.

Good night.

Comment #13 - Posted by: Cory at February 22, 2014 6:35 PM

A lot of guys were excited about "side-boob" yesterday. Somehow I doubt any ladies will be going over today's picture with a magnifying glass looking for "side-sack."

:-)

Comment #14 - Posted by: BC (27/M/5'9"/140lbs) at February 22, 2014 6:42 PM

Buffedout -

no because I HAVE to drive, I don't have to associate with CF.

I prefer to not make a habit of seeing strangers naked. Well... I guess he has shoes on...

Comment #15 - Posted by: Cory at February 22, 2014 6:47 PM

Gavin - both, email me if you would like me to expound on this.

Comment #16 - Posted by: Cory at February 22, 2014 6:52 PM

Priceless!

@cory U HAVE to drive.....like you HAVE to breathe?!? LMAO

Comment #17 - Posted by: Weimy07 at February 22, 2014 7:07 PM

@Cory

Why? This is a public forum. The picture was not posted simply to tickle the public's, um, fancy...

I have no problem with being called out. What bothers you about the picture?

Depending on your circumstances, it makes sense that you have to drive. You wrote, "I don't have to associate with CF." So why does it matter?

Comment #18 - Posted by: buffedout at February 22, 2014 7:10 PM

Would simply have to say that if a cue helps hundreds more than the one or two it potentially restricts, then the overall cue seems to be positive. The concept of "best practice" seems to be forgotten when disagreements occur.

1 vote for knees out. documented and proven via hundreds I have taught.

Comment #19 - Posted by: tj cooper at February 22, 2014 7:14 PM

Tell them KStar.

Comment #20 - Posted by: CaseyAcree at February 22, 2014 7:17 PM

As a crossfit newbie I am still trying to get acclimated to the culture. Yep this is odd, but kind of funny, and definitely bro-y! Reminds me of college days (and sometimes of the shenanigans we used to pull in the beginning of med school)...LOL. No problem here...and I cannot quite understand why someone (like Cory) would even contemplate disassociating himself from crossfit as a result of some lighthearted joke like this.
#Calmdownbro
#chilloutanddoburpees
#Umadbro

Comment #21 - Posted by: John at February 22, 2014 7:21 PM

You'll see more skin at your local box.

Comment #22 - Posted by: chuck at February 22, 2014 7:21 PM

Hilarious! I bet HQ did this because of the people complaining about yesterdays picture!

Comment #23 - Posted by: Derek "Papa Bear" at February 22, 2014 7:24 PM

Dope

Comment #24 - Posted by: Wrangler at February 22, 2014 7:29 PM

Stick with the naked chicks, much more universal appeal

Comment #25 - Posted by: Jackson at February 22, 2014 7:29 PM

I'm thinking I need to make my way to ashburn!!

Comment #26 - Posted by: Jlhccf at February 22, 2014 7:30 PM

For a website that includes so many pictures of kids and promotes them doing crossfit, I do find it a little odd that they choose to post photos like these. I wouldn't want my kid looking at this. I come to this site for the purpose of getting workouts and enjoying the encouragement that everyone gives to each other on their progress, not to view nude photos of people.

Comment #27 - Posted by: Trent M. at February 22, 2014 7:34 PM

@ BC #13 I haven't laughed that hard in a while. "Side-sack" is great. Thanks. Bingo said it - Well played HQ.

Comment #28 - Posted by: NateA M/32/6'3"/205 at February 22, 2014 7:45 PM

Talk about a way to get blue balls quickly. Def a Michael Angelo pose;-)

Comment #29 - Posted by: Barb at February 22, 2014 7:57 PM

Seriously....love it! Good for you!

Comment #30 - Posted by: Ginger at February 22, 2014 7:59 PM

I posted yesterday along with others unhappy with the mainsite photo. I'm not sure this is the solution we were looking for, but I'm somewhat appeased by the equal opportunity exposure. (Even though men and women occupy different social positions which is why women take issue with the other photo quickly). Just keep this in mind for the future...


Comment #31 - Posted by: Cecelia L. at February 22, 2014 8:20 PM

@Cory

Thank you for expounding. So, what exactly does 'your world' mean? From which framework do you see the image?

I'm curious about your circumstances regarding gains; I've progressed in every way, shape, and form doing CrossFit--for the better part of 5 years.

I'll throw it all out on the table: I drink booze every day (I'm working toward changing this); I average 4 hours of sleep a night (and it is anything but continuous); my diet fluctuates continually from 'clean' to 'dirty' throughout the year.

I don't mean to criticize you. I am just curious as to why you have experienced such a different result than I.

Comment #32 - Posted by: buffedout at February 22, 2014 9:19 PM

Lol love it, ball's of steel, a hell of a way to train for the game's.

Comment #33 - Posted by: Wallace Hetaraka at February 22, 2014 11:48 PM

kstarr kept his cool the whole time. after awhile it wasnt whether knees out was a good que it was an attack on kellys squattting method. he was right too. in the reading for your crossfit level 1 it says delay the knees coming foward, plus ive read kellys book i feel that if you follow the sequencing in what to move or what kind of positioning you need to get into first it would be very hard to go to end ranges that are harmful. Even for extremly flexible people the amount they would have to push thier knees out would need to be extreme. Lastly, if diane fus knees were pushed out too far then how come she dosnt have knee problems, she has quite the opposite shes a strong chick

Comment #34 - Posted by: anthony at February 23, 2014 12:22 AM

At least we know he gets full depth in the pistol. Hip crease below patella. We'll done, Ryan.

Comment #35 - Posted by: Carlos Alfonso at February 23, 2014 4:23 AM

At least we know he gets full depth in the pistol. Hip crease below patella. We'll done, Ryan.

Comment #36 - Posted by: Carlos Alfonso at February 23, 2014 4:24 AM

Well, yesterdays picture disturbed me cuz I thought it was a dude...Didn't enlarge it to catch the tell-tale sign of femininity. Butt today, I can tell. Being a lady, I do appreciate a nice picture of the male form.

This is a nice picture, thank you

Comment #37 - Posted by: NNKMelissa at February 23, 2014 4:48 AM

The pictures are getting ridiculous.

Comment #38 - Posted by: Matt at February 23, 2014 4:56 AM

Made up 140212
Row 28/20/22
Pull ups 25
Burpees 25
Ghd 34
Total 154
Lost a lot of time going from the basement to pull up bar outside and back down for next row
Excuses excuses

Comment #39 - Posted by: D.S. F 52/5'6/117 at February 23, 2014 5:15 AM

Kids see nudity all the time - it's really no big deal. Most kids see their parents nude from time to time, or they go to art museums, or whatever. It's normal and healthy.

The important thing is the extent to which the image is sexualized - while it's normal for kids to see nude adults from time to time, it's not normal for them to see adults in sexual situations. This is why taking your kid to see a collection of Greek sculpture or Renaissance paintings is great, but showing your kid your porn stash is bad.

The image above is a naked guy doing pistols in the snow, taken from the side, with no private parts on display. There is nothing sexual about this image whatsoever - it won't lead to traumatize anyone.

(I was actually more annoyed by the Christmas booty shot of the two girls doing a deadlift than I am by this. This is no big deal.)

Comment #40 - Posted by: isaac at February 23, 2014 5:24 AM

Jacob Tsypkin, what is your background? Outside of owning a crossfit gym, what is your education background and experience?

Comment #41 - Posted by: Zach at February 23, 2014 5:57 AM

I wish people were offended by what the government is doing to our country...instead of naked pics.

Comment #42 - Posted by: xaa at February 23, 2014 6:04 AM

@Isaac, I can see your point, somewhat. Perhaps I'm old school, but I don't recall seeing nude adults from time to time growing up (other than my parents). There is a thin line between something being sexual and not and this website is not a museum. A sculpture in a museum is way different than a picture of a real person. That is not "art". And I'm with you on the Christmas photo. That was appaulling. For a community that stands for honoring fallen heros, that picture certainly made light of many people's most cherished fallen hero. I know all of these things are done in good fun and are meant to be a joke or "art" (I'm sorry but art is a B.S. excuse), but this website and community are about exercise right? Why push the line with the moral, social and religious issues?

Comment #43 - Posted by: Trent M. at February 23, 2014 6:13 AM

Is this a clue for one of the movements for 14.1 ?
3 days in a row :))

Comment #44 - Posted by: Grace AtomicCF at February 23, 2014 6:25 AM

What?!?!? Skin?!?!? Say it isn't so. That's it, I'm leaving. No more CF for me, (kinda) naked people, so hard to find on the internet yet here it is on a public site?? I'm gone! I will however stay on the site and keep reading all these posts all day today (because evidently it's impossible to get off this site after I said I was leaving) but after that I'm gone!!!

Wait, if i leave no more Nicole?? Forget that. I'm back!! This CrossFit stuff is awesome!!!

Comment #45 - Posted by: RT2713 at February 23, 2014 6:50 AM

1st comment was filtered...I guess. I agree about the Christmas pic. I was surprised and being a lady, I don't really appreciate the plethora of female booty/booby shots on the main web site. I DO, however appreciate the attempt at reciprocation with todays picture. I might add, that todays picture seems more tasteful and respectful than the Christmas double DL shot.

Comment #46 - Posted by: NNKMelissa at February 23, 2014 6:54 AM

Sunday musingsā€¦

1) Thaw. I can no longer walk to Canada.

You know, if I'd cared to last week and all.

2) Olympics. Not gonna lie, no matter where they are or how my country's athletes perform, the Closing Ceremonies are always like an Irish Wake for me. I'm a sucker for all of the "Up Close and Personal" stuff, too.

Sue me.

3) Travel. The theme of the NYT Sunday Magazine today is travel across the South American continent, with an extension to expansive, transformative travel in general.

The fact that they missed "Go South" and Pat Sherwood is nothing short of criminal.

4) Age. Roger Angell posted a brief essay on being 90. Aside from the surreality (is that a word?) of typing that this 90 year old author posted on a blog, I do find it fascinating, this new interest in the aged. No longer hidden, tucked in a corner rocker, the very old are out and about. Well, as about as they can be.

In my day job I see them all the time. "You're only as old as you feel" is not quite as accurate as you might think, as Angell points out when he catalogues his various and sundry nicks, dents, snaps, crackles and pops. Nope, I think you feel every mile you've traveled. What's more instructive is whether or not you opt to continue your travels.

It is more accurate, from my observations, to say that "old is as old does."

5) Objectify. What? You thought I wasn't going to weigh in on this nonsense just because this is the 19th time it's come up in my 9 years hanging around here? A tiny little note to all of my January Newbies: just like your questions in January, so new to you, so powerful your need to ask, it's all very "been there, done that" for anyone who's been here for more than 6 months. There is no "trend"; there is no change. Same as it ever was.

Some of the comments do bring up a theme that bears examination, though, especially in light of last week's drivel in the NYT about an inverse relationship between intra-marriage equality and marital intimacy. The author quite triumphantly posits that it is the absence of objectification, the DEFEAT of objectification that is the root of both increased happiness and satisfaction and the decrease of intimacy. The more often the man does the laundry or picks the kids up from daycare, the less likely the woman is to put on that special outfit from V!ctoria's Secret.

I call BS, just like I'm calling BS on the whole objectification thing with Main Page photos. In my study group of 1 both positions ring false.

Does it matter that my personal experience with "marriage equality" is exactly the opposite from the conjecture in the NYT? Intimacy is DIRECTLY proportional to equality in my study group of 1 (or 2, as it is). So, too, the objectification conjecture with pictures here on CrossFit.com. I am as unmoved by today's photo as I am by "David", as unaffected by yesterday's as I am by the "Venus de Milo". The absence of clothing is incidental to my appreciation of the images of all 4 examples. A man in the snow follows a woman on the beach. Yin and Yang squared, no? Poetry or humor? Frost or Fallon? It's my call, isn't it?

It's like a set-up, these two photos following a week later on the heels of my musings on "Offensitivity". I wish I had a hand in the planning; it's perfect.

It's all so very personal. Study groups of 1. You vs. you. We are presented a stimulus and tasked to see what effect it has on us. Do you see a Pistol or do you see "tasteful sideboob"? Full range of motion or a colored "sleeve"? Is your reaction negative because of the fashion choices of the photo subjects or because you do not have a one-legged squat and you are convinced that this means that they will surely come up in the Open? When I see yesterday's picture I am struck by the subject's perspicacity. Unlike me Mrs. bingo DOES have a one-legged squat, but her perspicacity is NOT what would strike me if she were to offer the same pose. Does that mean I would be objectifying my "Better 95%"? Given the evidence I offer above that conflicts with the NYT article's thesis, is that a bad thing?

Here's a hypothesis: if the model for "Sleepwalker" at Wellesley had been Ryan the protests would have been about his choice of sleepwear.

I'll see you next week...

Comment #47 - Posted by: bingo at February 23, 2014 7:18 AM

Since we finally had a nice day yesterday in New Jersey, considering the winter so far, I did my modified MURPH:

Run 5K
100 Pull Ups
200 Push Ups
300 Squats
Row 5K

Wear a 20-30 lbs weight vest for the Pull Ups, Push Ups, and Squats. Do all Pull Ups first then Push Ups, then Squats.

Enjoy

Comment #48 - Posted by: neal at February 23, 2014 7:36 AM

this crossfit page starting to become somewhat playboy fitness page. I guess whatever work for you to get you motivated, makes you wonder "topless" or "getting naked" is part of WOD. You must be naked to do the pistol squat...Outstanding!

Comment #49 - Posted by: fitness247warrior365 at February 23, 2014 7:41 AM

Of all the pictures HQ has posted over the years, this one doesn't even make the list of offensive shots deserving criticism. The question should be: can I share this with my kids? In this case, I have no problem showing this to my 5 year old. It's a funny, not obscene, picture of a naked body doing a difficult movement. What's wrong with that?

Comment #50 - Posted by: D. Peterson at February 23, 2014 8:27 AM

@cory
All professional athletes have to change workout patterns throughout the year. Even as a classical pianist, I have to change things up from time to time..You learn to feel your body and decide what is needed. Perhaps you needed a time to focus on the big lifts..I do and am doing it.

Comment #51 - Posted by: aglaroth at February 23, 2014 8:46 AM

@BC

You are totally correct... naked ladies are much more appealing to look at!

Comment #52 - Posted by: Boo Boo F/25/5'8/148 at February 23, 2014 9:21 AM

An open suggestion to the offended: why not take advantage of the text-only version of this site?

http://www.google.com/gwt/n?u=crossfit.com/pdawod.html&_gwt_noimg=1

You could 1) avoid the offensive images altogether; and/or 2) have the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, such as the kind of images that sometimes show up here. Thanks!

Comment #53 - Posted by: Joe Northside m/35/70"/195 at February 23, 2014 9:29 AM

@Joe Northside,

Serenity. Brilliant.

Cheers.

Comment #54 - Posted by: bingo at February 23, 2014 10:01 AM

Cory,

Six years and no results? But...it's the side-boob that rescues you from the doldrums and sends you packing?

Weird.

Comment #55 - Posted by: Coach at February 23, 2014 10:05 AM

That girl needs a shave.

Comment #56 - Posted by: Brhino72 at February 23, 2014 10:19 AM

Omg human body parts! I am offended/hurt deeply! Mother nature intended that everyone wear clothes at all times, and now I must poor acid in my eyes to repent for my sins!!!

Comment #57 - Posted by: Nick at February 23, 2014 10:40 AM

Anyone besides me miffed about having these recent contests and no winners announced? What is the point?

Comment #58 - Posted by: Martin at February 23, 2014 11:16 AM

M/54/154/1-1-06

Completed one round of 11.4 (not in 10:00 however), subbing 3:1 PU/Ring Dips per MU, scaled to 95#.

Yesterday's WOD done after, details there.

"3 on" getting to be tough without really good nutrition, rest, etc. as I get older.

Comment #59 - Posted by: bingo at February 23, 2014 11:29 AM

Made up Thursday 140220, results there. Too much drama on the message boards today. It's Sunday, take a rest.

Comment #60 - Posted by: MF 30/M/5'11/170 at February 23, 2014 12:09 PM

@glorybelle- just saw your post from yesterday. Good luck! We will be pulling for you.

Carole and Kevin

Comment #61 - Posted by: Kevin C. (M/54/5'11"/174) at February 23, 2014 1:19 PM

LOL @ Coach.

Comment #62 - Posted by: Brad B 34/m/6'2"/170 at February 23, 2014 1:21 PM

Why all the haters? CrossFit is a "community". Communiies are made up of people having different opinions. The moment we stop listening and instead choose to ridicule, we are less of a community and more a group of ideologues. Kudos to Cory,Trent & others who chose to speak up even knowing what they said may not be popular. VERY AMERICAN!

Comment #63 - Posted by: KDH 49 / 6'1" / 182 at February 23, 2014 1:23 PM

Complete as many rounds as possible in 7 minutes of:
5 box jumps, 30 in.
135-lb. cleans, 3 reps

4 rounds plus 5 box jumps

Can't decide whether I should do the Special Mary/Strict push-ups/Back extensions cycle now or just skip it to catch up with the site.

Oh, and haha @Brhino72

Comment #64 - Posted by: BC (27/M/5'9"/140lbs) at February 23, 2014 2:35 PM

SHRINKAGE

Comment #65 - Posted by: Navydoc at February 23, 2014 3:23 PM

@NNKMelissa

To your comment, I second that. And pretty much every woman I know who does crossfit would support that. Thanks from many east and west coast boxes.

Comment #66 - Posted by: Cecelia L. at February 23, 2014 3:32 PM

20 min amrap

10 pullups
8 wallballs 20 lb
6 box jump 24"
4 clean jerk 135 Pds

8 rnds

Comment #67 - Posted by: hollyhog at February 23, 2014 3:38 PM

M/33/5'8"/195

Nice pic. My question is...was he fast-roped in there?? No entry/exit path!

I've been a little off schedule, so I made a "fun" little chipper up:

50 American kettlebell swings, 1.5 pood
40 plate push-ups
30 GHD sit-ups
20 wallballs, 20lbs to 10'
10 ball slams
50 ball slams
40 wallballs, 20lbs to 10'
30 GHD sit-ups
20 plate push-ups
10 American kettlebell swings, 1.5 pood

Then, 5 min hang squat clean ladder EMOM, 3 reps. Try to increase 20# each minute:

95#, 115#, 135#, 135#, 145#.

Total time --> 27:17

Comment #68 - Posted by: Chris Luka at February 23, 2014 5:18 PM

@Carole and Kevin, very nice, thanks! I signed up to push myself and to hold myself more accountable lately. I predict a lot of scaling and still a lot of soreness. I'll pay to do them at a local affiliate when I can't set up a camera. Can't wait!

Comment #69 - Posted by: Glorybelle 5'5/135/44/F at February 23, 2014 5:48 PM

I have a rhetorical question...Isn't the open hostility to the female form really just misogyny masquerading as an appeal to decency, respect, and values?

It's amazing how people that can agree on very little will unite in hating any depiction of the female body.

It scares me, and makes me worry about the world my daughters are growing up in. What I'd hope they'd not find on this site is THAT attitude, not the flesh.

Comment #70 - Posted by: Coach at February 23, 2014 6:24 PM

@Coach

The thread of the conversation (including yesterday) was certainly not expressing hostility to the female (or male) form, but an objection to the recent preponderance of photos lacking clothing in a variety of ways. This came across negatively to members of the crossfit community who posted. Some of the arguments were wary of the blurry boundary between objectification and appreciation of the body.

While there are many opinions on this, gender norms, and nudity, there is one element that does seem to come out of this: there is a time and place for certain types of nudity, and the crossfit mainsite page does not seem to be it.

Comment #71 - Posted by: Cecelia L. at February 23, 2014 7:03 PM

I try not to but I can't leave this one alone.

Picture is fair. Not really attractive to me but that is solely my taste. Tats are a cliche now, could use some more manscaping, and the pistol isn't as good in form as I would expect.

I was more interested in Cory's summary. I've been in Crossfit for a few years with a background as a college athlete. Today I made an ortho appointment for the right knee and right shoulder. I had blamed it on age but now I'm curious. Also not sure why both on the right side. Is it my form, favoring my dominant side, not enough recovery time, or the general composition of a CF WOD? Is it time to enroll in some water aerobics classes? I'll probably break everything before throwing in the towel but I'm curious what others have to say.

Thanks.

Comment #72 - Posted by: Ryan (M/39/6'5"/220lbs) at February 23, 2014 7:43 PM

re#74 Cecelia L. Well-said.

Comment #73 - Posted by: NNKMelissa at February 23, 2014 7:44 PM

Cecelia,

I've witnessed neither conversation nor argument, just reaction. Silly reaction at that.

Allow me to expand on my quick note: the reaction is not hostility towards the female form, just it's depiction. I find the hostility offensive.

Our depicting shirtless men draws no response while a woman's bare back brings from one corner complaints about "morals" and "indecency" and from the other "objectification" and "exploitation".

There's something dysfunctional and disingenuous in both camps.

We are the creators of an emerging aesthetic that does as much for women as anything that has been offered, from any quarter, in my lifetime, and I'm 57 years old. We've developed, without academic awareness or fanfare, an aesthetic derived wholly from functional capacity rather than some arbitrary or worse yet pathological standard - history, modern and ancient, is replete with examples. CrossFitters work, live, love and play, in a world without eating disorders, bone density issues, frailty, fragility, body image derangement, or gender associated vulnerability to assault. Our variant of fitness is unique in modern times in that it doesn't exaggerate the biological differences between men and women but minimizes them - a curious, if not beautiful, mathematical fact.

Your "blurry boundary between objectification and appreciation of the body" is not something this publisher has to worry about.

Comment #74 - Posted by: Coach at February 23, 2014 9:35 PM

@G

The pictures posted here are submitted voluntarily by outside parties. Try again.

Comment #75 - Posted by: buffedout at February 23, 2014 11:32 PM

Fortunately, he wasn't practicing front kicks :-)

Comment #76 - Posted by: Phil Moncel at February 24, 2014 12:38 AM

@Cecelia L. -- pretty funny that you are telling Coach what is appropriate on his website...

Comment #77 - Posted by: Max Sarcasm at February 24, 2014 6:09 AM

I've been crossfitting for over two years now following mainsite on my own. I to am a former high school and college athlete. I have found the wods as a whole less destructive than athletic training or even the bodybuilding template that I abandoned. I find myself recovering faster will enjoying increased strength, flexibility, speed , power etc. I also have experienced fewer injuries with this model. I am fortunate because due to my athletic background I was already instructed on proper form in the Olympic lifts. Without this background I think people need to approach crossfit slowly and cautiously if doing on their own. With that considered crossfit is the best method for achieving a elite level of fitness, period. The problem comes from bad form and crappy movement.

Comment #78 - Posted by: hollyhog at February 24, 2014 7:20 AM

@ hollyhog
I agree totally. Especially about the olympic lifts. I've never really done anything like them and had to swallow my ego big time. I'm glad I did, and still do, to focus on form and proper movement.

Comment #79 - Posted by: Mike Andridge/44/5'8"/175 at February 24, 2014 9:54 AM

Most of the "hostility" seems to be from people mocking and ridiculing those who find the images in poor taste.

They proceed to tell them how stupid, "silly", ignorant, overly-sensitive, etc. that they are to think what they think.

I don't really care about the images personally, but the aggressive and condescending remarks from people who feel entitled to tell others how they should feel or think about something is pretty unsettling.

You could say, "We hear you. We respect your right to have your views. We disagree in this instance. Here is what we think..." That kind of response would be indicative of a community.

Comment #80 - Posted by: Todd S at February 24, 2014 12:06 PM

I have to say I was really trying not to comment but Coach is right.

Everyone is different - and the fact that so many different people from so many different backgrounds unite through CrossFit is frankly amazing and a testament to the attitude of those who establish this community. Nowhere in the world have I witnessed such acceptance of others than through CrossFit.

To "close ranks" (on either side) over a picture that may or may not be to people's taste is very odd. Life will throw us (and our offspring) far greater curve balls than a picture of a semi-naked one-legged squatter. Not to be able to deal with this in a non-aggressive fashion only serves to diminish the worth of what CrossFit actually does - bringing people together through sweat, hard work and acceptance of each other. All we do when we post emotively is give signals to each other that we have a lot to learn about life. My most emotive reactions have generally been some of my worst judgement calls.

Or maybe I'm just missing the point. And the post's two days old - but by waiting, hopefully the reaction is less emotive and I have learnt something...

Comment #81 - Posted by: SGD at February 24, 2014 3:03 PM

We have such a phobia of the nude body, it's amazing western civilization even manages to procreate.

People blame it on the objectification of women, or not being appropriate for kids to see, and plenty of other excuses.

I think the root cause of all the drama is because these people are insecure about their own bodies. Women see photoshopped pictures of gorgeous women everyday. Men see photoshopped pictures of men with 6-pack abs, are constantly threatened with, "Is your member big enough?" ads, and see, "proper man-like behavior," from beer commercials.

We've put our own ideals of the human body on such an impossibly high pedestal that we (for some reason) strive to achieve, and we fuel a constant feeling of inadequacy when we fail to match up. We aren't comfortable seeing another person with no clothes, because deep down we're uncomfortable seeing ourselves with no clothes.

Comment #82 - Posted by: Ben at February 24, 2014 3:22 PM

Its not a phobia against nudity at all. Its about common decency. Just because we are fitter than most does not mean we should lower our standards of public modesty.

Comment #83 - Posted by: Jeff at February 24, 2014 5:21 PM

Jeff, thank you for posting that. I've been sitting here way too long trying to figure out how to sum it up and you nailed it. I would like to add that our concerns regarding the lack of decency are not aimed at disrespecting anyone. It is actually the opposite.

To me, it is an honor to be a part of a community who all join together to test themselves to the limits of their physical and mental abilities. A community made up of public servants like soldiers, police officers and fire fighters. In my opinion, the main website of such a community should hold itself to a high standard of conduct and decency. This community strives for excellence and that is what it should stand for and project to others.

Comment #84 - Posted by: Trent M. at February 24, 2014 5:54 PM

Coach,

It's interesting how you responded to what I said. It wasn't the side boob that rescued me from the doldrums. I was answering two questions at the same time posted by Gavin.

The fact that my body feels more worn down than when I started CF is what has turned me away from doing the main site WODs.

The side boob is what has turned me away from associating with CF. I have moral convictions. I loved telling people about CF. But when I tell them about it and they go to the main site, they see a naked dude in the snow. I started CF because I saw Spealler killing it on the Filthy Fifty, not because there's socially unacceptable pictures left to the viewers eye to determine the importance. By socially unacceptable I mean outside the cultural norms of wearing clothes covering our genitals which we all do in public. You mention having daughters which I do as well so please tell me, would you feel comfortable posting a picture of your daughter in a nude pistol or exposing side boob?

I appreciate the Coaching into experiencing new and challenging physical movements. You're obviously welcome to your own ideologies and freedom of expression. It's just hard for me to associate with the whole package when it is against my own convictions (no pun intended). I'm not against the female or male body or form as you put it. There's a book that describes this world as previously having no rationale for clothing, but there in lies my conviction. Someday the world, this book describes, will be perfected.

Comment #85 - Posted by: Cory at February 24, 2014 7:08 PM

As always, naked beautiful people inspire me.

Thank you for the reminder that CrossFit makes Ferraris of us all, and that we are blessed to drive them together. Keep Calm and Squat On.

To those who profess to be morally outraged by beautiful photos of athletic forms: STAY OUT OF THE LOUVRE. In fact, it's best you also avoid Versailles. Yes. Also, steer clear of Paris, Rome, Florence, Washington DC's Smithsonians, all of Greece and just to be sure, never visit the Getty museums in Malibu. There's unbridled nakedness running amok out there...

But for a safe environment that you're sure to approve of, I recommend you turn your eyes towards Saudia Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan or any of the lovely Muslim controlled countries and enjoy the art they have to offer. Not a naked athlete in sight... Enjoy yourself.

I'll be working out over here with the free people.

Comment #86 - Posted by: Spider Chick at February 25, 2014 7:47 AM

Spider Chick is awesome.

Comment #87 - Posted by: Katie at February 25, 2014 9:23 AM

Spider Chick is awesome.

Comment #88 - Posted by: Katie at February 25, 2014 9:24 AM

@Ben,

You are welcome to share your own phobias if you like, but don't assign phobias to people you don't know.

Makes you look shallow and presumptuous. No one wants to see a picture of that, even if painted in words only. Ugly is ugly.

Comment #89 - Posted by: Todd S at February 25, 2014 10:07 AM

Todd S, perhaps you should find another website that's more in line with your beliefs. The founder/owner of this one has already weighed in and affirmed that things are not going to change here.

Comment #90 - Posted by: Dan at February 25, 2014 10:38 AM

If you remember one thing from this, remember the attitude and ridicule that the folks who spoke up in favor of decency and professionalism had thrown in their face. Remember how we acted compared to those who ridiculed us. This is actually a pretty typical example of our society as a whole nowadays. The "tolerant" people are very "tolerant" as long as you agree with them. The reason is that they feel threatened by anything that limits their freedom to do whatever they want. To defend themselves they use ridicule, "science", "psychology", elitism, pride, and a host of other pathetic lies that pop culture and the media have engrained into them. I know because I once thought the same way and acted the same way. Luckily, I have grown and moved on from that frame of mind. For all of you who have hung out on the sidelines for this one, you may find yourself in this situation one day. Remember this, and stand up for what is right. Happy cross fitting, whether or not you wear clothes.

Comment #91 - Posted by: Trent M. at February 25, 2014 3:02 PM

Bottom line (no pun intended), this picture is offensive..It just doesnt belong on a website intended for physical fitness.. Keep posting pics of kids working out, and athletes intent on improving their performance.. Just my two cents..

Comment #92 - Posted by: Jim at February 27, 2014 10:27 AM

I'm a woman who just started Crossfit style workouts and I must say...I like the photo. *big grin*

Comment #93 - Posted by: Irene at March 1, 2014 9:28 AM

I am offended too! Snow offends me which is why I plan to stay in Southern California when I retire from the Corps.

Comment #94 - Posted by: Aaron at March 2, 2014 1:34 AM

Trent M.

Are we looking at the same website?

The zealotry displayed here needs to find a less forceful approach to conversion, something compelling and attractive - a kinder gentler proselytizing. Prudish judgements are tools of a bygone era.

Comment #95 - Posted by: Coach at March 2, 2014 5:07 AM

Coach,

Your response is yet another example of what I wrote about in my last statement. This is the first "family friendly" community that I have ever come into contact with in which the leaders of the community seem totally committed to a lack of morals and decency. If you want your children growing up in that type of place then so be it. I hope for the best for them. However, if I were you, I wouldn't waste all of my energy running the traditional folks out just because their moral standards feel threatening to you. Instead, I would listen to them and use good judgement in posting photos. Is this not a business? Do you not stand to better yourself financially through this website? Then why do you intentionally try to turn people away from crossfit because of their strong moral beliefs? You act like WE are the ones asking for something indecent. Wow, if I told my boss that I turned a bunch of our customers away because THEY were "too traditional" or that they "weren't OK with me posting pictures of nude people" I would be out of a job. Wow, and I'm the zealot? Lmao!

Comment #96 - Posted by: Trent M. at March 2, 2014 7:47 AM

Trent M. -- clearly this is not the website for you. There are plenty of other options out there; good luck with one of those.

Comment #97 - Posted by: Dan at March 2, 2014 2:02 PM

Trent,

Your concluding from the pictures that we are "totally committed to a lack of morals and decency" suggests to me a misaligned sense of right and wrong.

And for the record, I find the pictures to which you are referring sophomoric, but what I'd consider artistic renditions of the human form you'd find, I have to surmise, Satanic.

Were my IT team able to put a Puritan filter on the photos so everything had an American Gothic like style but instead of pitch-fork there'd be a barbell, I'd offer it.

Comment #98 - Posted by: Coach at March 4, 2014 4:12 AM

Coach -- with utmost respect -- why waste your time on people who come here only to complain? The people who love this program and post results instead of complaints would be thrilled to hear from you occasionally. Just a thought ;)

Comment #99 - Posted by: Bill M. m/49/5'3"/135 at March 4, 2014 9:55 AM

To the last comment, this is the only page I've complained on. None before. None since. I appreciate the Coach's opinion, even though we disagree.

To Coach, this is my last post on this page. As I mentioned earlier, these photos, to me, are in poor taste for a website that children may view on a regular basis. I do not think they are satanic. It is your website and obviously, you can do what you like with it. You won't hear any more complaints out of me.

The only reason I ever came to this site was to take on the WODs and perhaps, to post some of my results/improvements and to congratulate others on theirs. I do appreciate the thought that goes into these workouts and all of the work that goes into the development and maintenance of the other resources here. All the best.

Comment #100 - Posted by: Trent M. at March 4, 2014 1:41 PM
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