September 8, 2013
Joe Westerlin and Jason MacDonald, CrossFit Trainers Summit.
"Offline, Episode 1: CrossFit Posts Unrelated to Fitness" with host Russell Berger, CrossFit Journal video [ipod] [mov] [HD mov]
Posted by Pukie at September 8, 2013 5:00 PM
After watching the video hosted by Russell Berger, I'd love to know two things: a) how many daily visitors come to this site and b) what percentage of daily visitors actually click the unrelated-to-fitness links? If the data shows those links are getting a lot of traffic, no reason to get rid of them.
I want to roll with them!!!!
In the years that I have been a part of the CrossFit community and a fairly consistent reader of publishing on the Mainsite I have come to realize that CrossFit, while at its core is a fitness philosophy, it also embraces certain cultural values which may not in and of themselves be directly related to fitness. It also provides a tolerant attitude of opinions that do not seem to represent those cultural values they seem to endorse. I am very comfortable with it. While it may alienate some because it is not fitness per se, it may attract others. I don't think that attraction repulsion dynamic would amount to anything statistically significant. I really enjoy the occasional classical music posts. I (65 years old) have become tolerant to the relative crappy music most boxes blast. It doesn't drive me out of the community or otherwise make me love CF any less.
I come here, literally every day. Only read the journal every now and again, few times a month maybe. I watch the videos most of the time (great for pre-workout protein time) and tend to fall down the rabbit hole often enough. That being said, never once have I noticed or been offended by anything HQ puts up -- after all, they are people and have opinions on things just like the rest of us. But, what do I know, I like wet socks.
Not that anyone asked for my two cents.
I'm offended that HQ hasn't posted a -meet Nicole Carrol- video yet.
Made up Griff
14:00 not sure if the meters were correct but my best guess
30 minutes Kipping pull up work
Recently, someone posted a comment on our affiliate blog basically demanding that we give him, a “paying customer” what he wanted. (In that instance, he wanted the WOD’s posted several days in advance, so he could plan his week’s schedule.)
Most business models require companies either to give their customers what they want or to be as apologetic as possible when they don’t. CrossFit is in the amazing position of being able to be what it wants to be, and allowing potential customers to decide whether they accept that product as it is. (Of course, people can choose one affiliate over another, etc., but basically, CrossFit is CrossFit.)
CrossFit can shift towards minimizing the number of people to whom it gives offense. But why? As an affiliate owner, I am fine with someone telling me that they were going to try CrossFit, but they were so offended by some post that they now refuse. All this does is weed out the high maintenance customers.
The advantage of CrossFit continuing to post what it wants is that it puts people on notice that CrossFit is not a slave to maximizing profits. As an affiliate owner, I am grateful for anything HQ does to help establish that up front. It makes my job so much easier.
Five rounds, each for time of:
strict pull ups.
total time with 3:00 rests in between rounds 40:46
I want to roll with them also! Nice rear naked choke escape.
1) Anniversary. 28 years married for Mrs. Bingo and yours truly as of yesterday. Man...did I marry up or what?!
2) Coffee. Much has been made of the CrossFitters obsession with coffee. Good coffee. Coffee from any and all sources. I don't get it. That is, I don't get how people can have an issue with our (near) collective delight in the roast.
[He types as he washes down his bacon with cup #2]
3) Rest Day. I am taking this seriously today. A little mobility (thanks Kelly!), perhaps a little yoga (comedy for Mrs. bingo!), and the video above on non-CF posts on CrossFit.com.
Come on. It's Sunday. You have the time. Watch the video. Think about your time here on the Main Page. Weigh in. Maybe we can entice some of the OG's (B@rry, Paul, MattG, RocketScientist, Anon, Prole, Dale...) out of hibernation. I'll be back, too.
4) Small Time. It's opening weekend for the NFL, the closest thing we have in the U.S. to a collective religion. The U.S. Tennis Open has finals in women's today and men's tomorrow night (shame on them for putting that on a school night). MLB is lurching toward the playoffs (with both Pittsburgh and Cleveland still in the hunt!). And major college football is in week 2, still in its version of the silly season.
What's the connection? All of these, including D1 football, are examples of big-time sports. Sport as business. The only difference between them is that in football they don't pay the minor leaguers, the college athletes. And please, spare me any sanctimonious drivel about getting an education for free--nothing is free. D1 football is a job, no less than AAA baseball or Junior A hockey. The difference is that every other sport openly pays its minor leaguers, while Big Time college football continues to wallow in the cynical swamp of exploitation of its athletes. The same is true, of course, of Big Time college basketball.
There is an antidote for this. It's called Small Time. That should probably be all lower case, too. Should be "small time". Sport for the sake of sport. Putting in the time in practice to play the games because the games are fun. They are meaningful as an end in themselves, not as a means to some end of the rainbow pot of gold end. All of the stuff that the fat cat moneybags trot out as justification for athletic programs in the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac10, ACC etc.--alumni loyalty, creation of a communal atmosphere, a reason to return to Alma Mater--that's all there is in "small time" sports.
I played a couple of sports at the D III level. Pretty pitiful lacrosse player and golfer relative to my teammates, relatively OK football player. Not a one of us made a pro roster. Indeed, not a single athlete from any team sport in the entire NESCAC (comprising some 10 or so small schools in New England) in that era played a single minute as a pro in anything. As a group we all went on to do rather pedestrian things like become teachers and cops and doctors and lawyers and bankers and...well, you get the idea.
Were our games any less meaningful than last night's ND/Michigan game? I'm certainly biased, but how can the answer be anything other than 'no'? We sweated and suffered and sacrificed our time for the joy of playing the games. Our schoolmates came to watch us play. Alums followed the teams whether or not they played on them. Follow them still. The games and the teams keep Alma Mater connected, provide a little line that ties us to our school in a way that is no different than the pull of Ohio State.
There is a purity in the "small time" that should shame the shamans of the Big Time, so sullied are they by the continual necessity to pretend that the Big Time is nothing more than the "small time", only bigger. It just isn't so. There is an honesty in the "small time" that is simply absent in the Big Time. The very best D III teams, the ones that win championships, still send only a trivial number of players to the pros in any sport, and therefore have as little relationship to A-level baseball as do those teams that never see an NCAA D III playoff game.
What does this have to do with CrossFit? Fair question; like anything else written on Sunday the answer may be 'nothing'! But I do see more than a little similarity between CrossFit as The Sport of Fitness and college athletics. What I see is that same honesty present in the "small time" college athletics, though, even at the highest levels of our sport. There's money to be made at the top, but there is no subterfuge, no obfuscation or deceit: if you are really good you can make money doing CrossFit. Period. Not being able to make money at it does not exclude anyone else. Period.
Very few people make a living from CrossFit, as competitors or trainers or trainers-of-trainers. The ratio of participants to pros is rather similar to any professional sport you wish to use as an example. Like "small time" college sports we have all manner of competitions we can enter as CrossFitters; if you enjoy the games and you wish to compete, the games are there for you to play and for everyone else who wishes to watch.
Unlike the Big Time, in the "small time" the games are simply part of who you are, not why you are.
I'll see you next week...
Musings in the filter around 0750 PDT...
Finally got to honor Griff today. Results there.
Peace to Griff's family.
Just watched the Offline segment. I will watch it again and take notes for a more in-depth response as promised in musings.
Briefly, I fundamentally disagree with Chris' position that CrossFit, Inc. should be compelled in some way to have "empathy" toward some nebulous "evolving audience." What makes CrossFit a whole, and what has been a part of its DNA from the outset, is a clear refusal to do exactly that. Witness the continual posting of photos that cause some group of other to become butt-sore.
CrossFit and its f0unders have placed flag after flag in the sand and offered a place where the audience can freely choose to salute that flag or not. The fact that this phenomenon has extended from a website to include FB and Twitter is, or IMO should be, irrelevant.
At the risk of chewing up any goodwill that I may have acquired over my 8 or so years hanging around here, to do what Chris suggests would be the ultimate sell-out, much more damaging and "not CrossFitty" than any CrossFit endorsement of Kill Clif or whatever.
FWIW, I don't see that happening.
**Insert hilarious caption here**
And to pile on with bingo, the Main Site shouldn't be downplaying its ability to create and shift culture. They've created an attitude towards fitness that didn't exist in 2003. Not only have they made kipping and deep squats mainstream, but are building an entirely new attitude towards evidence based fitness especially obvious in the new ways crossfitters are approaching diet.
And really... when you are making the fittest athletes in the world, you get to have whatever culture you want. Please post the company's exponential growth curve so we can find a dip or plateau correlated with a controversial post and I would reconsider.
Successful companies take political positions all the time. And creating a culture that values honest thinking and art makes the world a better place. I say keep posting.
Love the round table discussion. Lets see some more!
I decided to put in a powerlift training today:
2sets of each:
Powercleans (135), to squatcleans (155) to frontsquats (175) and back again.
Ended with deadlifts (245), 3 on the minute for 10min.
I scaled the reps in the 6-10 range.
I thought it was a great workout so i just wanted to share :)
Have a nice day!
@Glorybelle hope your feeling better soon. I miss it when I don't see your results
I want pictures of girls doing pullups and overheads and cleans! That was motivational.
I used to enjoy going to the crossfit website every day, and seeing an interesting photo, a tough workout, and usually a liked article outside the Crossfit-o-sphere that challenged my thinking, my own values, or expanded the world I live in.
Bring it back!
Empathy? Why do we need more people? So, water this down to appeal to all? That works...make Crossfit more like the Toyota Camry of websites...boring...plain...
Maybe we've forgotten. Hero workouts are named for Men and Women that DIED in BATTLE usually in gloriously horrifying ways to the rest of the civilized world, defending our way of life. Definitely need more empathy here.
Sometimes I feel the need to write something other than song lyrics, so here goes…
"Offline, Episode 1: CrossFit Posts Unrelated to Fitness"
Let’s be honest – we’re not that concerned with “CrossFit posts unrelated to fitness;” what we’re really asking is, “Should CrossFit HQ stop posting controversial articles?”
Remember the rest day article, "The $4 Million Teacher" (Sunday 130811)? It suggested that if America paid their teachers competitive, more attractive salaries, more highly-skilled teachers would enter the industry (crazy, right?). There was relatively little backlash from that one (and even a few reasonable comments on economics), even though it has nothing to do with CrossFit. What about CrossFit for Hope or CrossFit for Kenya, for that matter? They have nothing to do with fitness, so why were the general responses so positive? What about Hero WODs?
Consider the rest day article, "Homophobia Linked to Repressed Homosexual Arousal, Authoritarian Parenting" (Monday 130429); do you remember that day? I do; it also happened to be the same day NBA player Jason Collins publicly came out as homosexual. There was plenty of righteous outrage over that one, and no shortage of people chanting the mantra, “What does this have to do with CrossFit?” But if neither article is fitness-related, why did the education article slip by relatively unnoticed, while homophobia article generated such an outcry? The answer: it’s about a controversial, sensitive topic.
If the real question is, “Should we stop posting controversial topics,” the implied hypothesis would be that these controversial topics are damaging to the growth of the CrossFit brand, and that appealing to the lowest common denominator is the best course of action. With that in mind, how many people have actually said any of the following statements:
“I can’t do box jumps/burpees/double-unders anymore, HQ just posted about gun control.”
”An article on homosexuality? Guess I’m doing P90X today!”
“CrossFit for Hope?! Sorry, Coach, I’m going to have to cancel my membership.”
“That picture on Facebook slightly resembles something else; where’s my BowFlex?”
>> “That article might offend me; I’ll just NOT CLICK IT and wait for tomorrow’s WOD.”
Unrealistic, I’m sure, so I propose we continue to post the controversial articles, let the butt-hurt masses work out their frustration with heavy deadlifts, and get back to quickly moving heavy objects over long distances.
Response to "Offline" in the filter...
I've always liked the fact you can get some body and brain stimulus in one spot. That's as holistic a workout as you can get! Please don't get rid of the non-cf posts. Don't want to read it - don't click on it.
I really enjoyed the round table discussion of "Offline" and I look forward to future episodes.
A modest three years of CrossFitting, a modest--but conscious--pursuit of increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains seems to have pushed my brain to alight on this perspective:
CrossFit is a good idea--
"idea" in the sense that Greg Glassman conceived it in his brain, and "good" in the sense that, when applied to reality, it works; it produces healthy human beings.
Practitioners of this idea not only become healthy, but they also seem to embrace other good ideas and abolish or avoid bad ones (i.e. ideas whose results either cannot be observed, measured, and repeated or are somehow detrimental to life).
As Kevin pointed out in the video, human performance is not limited to the realm of fitness. Neither are good (or bad) ideas. That CrossFit--as a brand or as a community--has and will continue to embrace or reject ideas outside of fitness based on their ability to withstand the scrutiny of the scientific method should come as no surprise.
In fact, I would agree with Bingo's position that for CrossFit to censor its own honest inquiries and endeavors--again as a brand or as a community--in the name of empathy, political correctness, cultural sensitivity, or any other label for giving equal platform to both rational and irrational world views would be the ultimate sell out.
I hope that day never comes.
@D.S. thanks for that. :)
I'm feeling better today and was able to make up Barbara. I felt down for the count yesterday, though. The day of rest helped a lot.
Who one the grappling match?
Good to "see" you here. I've been thinking of you. Various computer catastrophes have rendered your email unfindable. If you could stumble across mine perhaps you send out a 'howdy'?
@Bingo & Joe Northside, well said.
Jason was at my CL1 cert. pretty cool dude
I thought the video was a joke, I couldn't tell if it was meant to be serious. HQ gets to put whatever they want on their website. If you don't like it, who cares. The thought of this round table being serious is a huge turn off, but that's where HQ gets to tell me, we don't are if you like it, we do.
Greg Glassman knows his stuff, I usually just listen and learn.
After watching this video: Pick what you want, discard the rest.
I've been following the mainsite since about 2010 but pretty much never check out the non-fitness related content. It just never interested me because I'm more into the videos. I like the tutorial and human interest aspect of them. I couldn't care less about some classical music piece or some quote or politically slanted article. Politics bores me anyway.
That being said, I think posting things that can launch a spirited debate is a good thing. As long as people do it in a civilized manner. Unfortunately some hide behind anonymity to make offensive comments. The internet is filled with trolls who take pleasure in introducing a topic that goes off on some tangent. I doubt they even follow up on what they start. They just need to be ignored.
It's not CrossFit's job to make everyone happy. Anyone that gets turned off or feels alienated by CrossFit based solely on some article, is not someone I would call open minded. I think they can make a better assessment by interacting with the people. Thus giving CrossFit a chance. And not everyone who's path they cross will be someone they want to hang out with.
Lifestyle articles are just that, lifestyle articles. Personal grooming, hair styling, dressing etc. are all personal preferences and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of CrossFit. People should keep things in perspective.
CrossFit fans and enthusiasts can have very strong and passionate feelings about what they do as a fitness methodology. They can be highly critical of anyone does what is commonly called the 'Globo Gym' routine. Most of us started out that way. But I think it doesn't serve them well to brow beat someone who doesn't get it or feels intimidated. I usually tell people to try an On-Ramp class at one or more gyms to see what they like and go on from there. I find that once they do, they find they enjoy it. Once they understand that you don't have to go as fast or use as much weight as the people you see in the videos and they get that there are workarounds, they are all good. Then they naturally want to progress. Those that don't stick because they don't like being sore, their egos get in the way and they get hurt constantly, or don't like being uncomfortable or can't deal with the mental aspects, they just prefer to remain in there comfort zone and are willing to continue to chase that quick fix that we know doesn't exist. Or they are at least satisfied with believing the results they are getting equates to being fitter as long as the inches come off regardless of their conditioning.
Won...jeesh; did not realize the spell check did that. Did they roll for real or just for the picture?
And another win for The Athlete!
Bingo - I don't have anything else to add. CrossFit embraces certain cultural values; many of them are inherent to the fitness model. I agree with whoever above noted that education articles, economics articles, charitable endeavors, poetry, literature, art, math, etc. seem to "slide by" with little comment simply because some "mass" of people agree with whatever the substantive content is in those messages. But homosexuality, women in the military, politics (no matter what stripe or of what lean), global warming, are inevitably followed by the calls for censorship. And now, rather than citing the First Amendment, or some other variant of "the right not to have my opinions challenged," people are appealing to CrossFit's own "business interests" or "Community" - which evidently now gets a veto on what goes up on the website. I suppose we're supposed to start polling ahead of time on facebook for what we propose to post and take a survey and see what the masses think. Here's a thought: the smart people don't spend their time hanging out on Facebook or spewing venom there. (And re-read, I'm not saying smart people don't have facebook accounts).
I don't think you have to worry any time soon, Darrell. No one will be "selling out" anything.
Nice to see Bingo, Dale and Hari on the same day.
Of course I have no problem with the opinion pieces. Back in the day they (and the comments they elicited) were exotic and frustrating (like using chopsticks is for a person used to a fork - I don't think many of us would have ever discovered Lysander Spooner without the rest-day debates). Even the Locke/Hayek v. Marx/FDR ground-hog-day style tussles could be edifying (those dead white men had enough depth between them to sequester every tweet ‘till doomsday).
A nice thing about the rest day articles was that (if you checked them out over the course of many weeks/months) they seemed to be, somehow, a rather personal reflection of one man’s inclinations, explorations and consternations (or that is how I read them). You might not like the articles, you might even find them “offensive” (a term about which I think you could paraphrase Bentham and say: “it denotes moral indignation on stilts”). But if you looked at what was going on through the rest day articles and posts in the context of the more fundamentally amazing content of the mainpage, and you didn’t realize that it was special and that your little bugbear should crawl back into its crook so that you could breath in the vitality, well, then, too bad for you.