April 5, 2013
Camille Leblanc-Bazinet, Workout 13.5 Live Announcement.
"Killing the Fat Man: Episode 13" with Gary Roberts, CrossFit Journal video [wmv] [mov] [HD mov]
"Equal Opportunity Fitness," by Russ Greene.
Posted by Pukie at April 5, 2013 5:00 PM
The chicken definitely helped Camille get past the 8 min mark.
Yay! Another KtFM episode! Yay!
On "Equal Opportunity Fitness", the article expresses what I've felt all along, that true equal opportunity, rather than "equal outcomes" always works to produce the best overall results in everything from fitness/sports to economy. I'd hate to think what would happen to Crossfit if we applied what the government thinks "equal opportunity" means (they want equal results).
I guess I am going to be the one to break the Ice. Boy that Camille is put together.
I think I'm in love.
Camille... will you marry me?!?!?!?
@ Pete #5
There is, of course, one minor difference between CrossFit competition and real life. When I lose in the CrossFit Open I just don't get to go to regionals. When I lose in real life I starve.
Camille is so gorgeous. I <3 Camille! ...And not in a lusty, lascivious sort of way, I love what she represents. She is the new standard for beauty as far as I am concerned.
What does that mean? You go for it in CF but in life you want to be able to use lighter weights instead of RX?
I am sure you have seen PR results in your CF experience that resulted in hard work and doing the WOD as RX. No one did the WOD for you or shaved time, or lightened the weights, you earned it. You most likely felt pretty good.
Would not these same principles work in life?
What Box do you workout in?
CrossFit Nanny State:
Where Everyone is 1st Place in the WOD!
Where RX Is What It Means To You, And No One Ever Comes In Last!
Camille is put together.... but Julie Foucher is DA BOMB!!!!!
The same grit and determination need to complete CF WODs as RX, is the same grit and determination that will help you in life.
To CF Administrators of the Blog, when did CF become so PC?
How can you NOT love the "fat man" videos... every video Gary does on this site is AWESOME!!! CFHQ should hire him to do behind the scenes at the GAMES!!!
Thank you for the lecture, but thats not really the point. Of course, hard work helps you succeed in life/sports or whatever else you are pursuing. And unregulated competition is the most effective way to filter the best individuals to the top. And that is awesome for CrossFit, I was simply calling into question whether this is the kind of ideal we should base society on in general. Do we want the sort of disparity you would see between myself and Rich Froning in CrossFit to play itself out in society as well? The reason I am not as good as Rich Froning isn't because I don't train hard. The reason is because in addition to training extremely hard, Froning is a freak of nature, and I am not. Again perfectly fine to run the sporting world like this where ultimately the stakes are not that high. But when people's very livelihoods are on the line is this really the right sort of perspective?
The fat man videos are back! Not so fat anymore.
I think your "difference between me and Froning" isn't any different than the real life differences between the salaries of a dedicated mechanic, and Warren Buffett. They both work really hard, but Warren is a freak of nature in his ability to buy and build a business/investment company. And I would submit that the chasm between the mechanic and Buffett's net worth is larger than the chasm between you and Froning's physical capability. Probably by even several orders of magnitude.
Made up WOD 130402-Tuesday
115# Shoulder Press, 10 reps
115# OHS, 15 reps
115# Push Press, 20 reps
115# Front Squat, 25 reps
115# Push Jerk, 30 reps
115# Back Squat, 35 reps
Scaled weight to "Porch" = 95#
Time - 12:01
Really well worded David T.
It's unfortunate that not everyone can reach the same level of success with the same amount effort, but most everyone can reach a high level of success with high effort. The unfortunate aspect of social welfare, is that the majority of the money benefits the lazy and arrogant, not the hard workers who fall into some difficulty. This is precisely Pete's point, we don't need to strive for a world where every person makes the same amount of money, has the same material goods, etc. We should strive for a world where the amount of money/material goods received is highly correlated with the effort the individual puts in on a daily basis.
And just to clarify, I'm not saying money is happiness.
HQ - Camille's name is spelled incorrectly in the photo caption.
M 53 6'2" 195
thrusters: 95X5, 115X5, 125X5, 135X5, 145X3, !55X1, 165failed
cleans 165X1, 155, 145, and so on back down to 95,
then thrusters 95X 15 Working on form which is terrible
Hmm in regards to the Equal outcome vs. Equal oppurtunity
The overall market demand for your labor isn't limited to one field. As your CF ability is limited to CF.
Rich Froning maybe the Buffett or Soros, and you the joe shmoe. However you maybe talented in some other aspect. You could be a mechanic, as mentioned earlier, if you work as hard at being a mechanic as Buffett did at mastering his trade there is no limit to the success of your venture. You could create the next Jiffy Lube, Merlin, Pep Boys, Napa or something like that. Everyone has innate abilities to do something well otherwise their genes wouldn't have made it to this point in history(barring genetic mutations). In the labor market there are millions or billions of niches that could be filled by someones talent.
You may not be able to overcome your natural "disadvantages" in Crossfit. I would argue that if you had been training your whole life the way he has been it would be a different story but I digress. Whereas in the market for your labor you can tailor whatever you study/pursue to the things that you are naturally well endowed for.
What ability does Ryan Seacrest have that could not be perfected through time and practice. I argue none, and he has been wonderfully successful. Is a lot of that "chance"? Sure just as much as Warren Buffett investing in Geico or American Express at the right time was chance.
Chance like Justice is blind. A government determining who should get what based on some "fairness" is not blind.
P.S. Camille is crazy good looking
The thought that life should not reward the "genetic freak" over the "merely average" is a kind of societal disease. To prove this, I ask you simply to ponder the corollary: should life reward the average and punish the exceptional? Think about that.
What other kind of world/society would you want to live in? Would you like to live in a society where the exceptional - either in effort, intelligence, beauty, grace, charm, wit, painting, sculpture, music, etc. - is PUNISHED and mediocrity is instead lauded?
That's the exact corollary to the RCP90's belief/philosophy for our society: re-read it. "... I was simply calling into question whether this [unregulated competition in which the Fronings of the world dominate] is the kind of ideal we should base society on in general. Do we want the sort of disparity you would see between myself and Rich Froning in CrossFit to play itself out in society as well? The reason I am not as good as Rich Froning isn't because I don't train hard. The reason is because in addition to training extremely hard, Froning is a freak of nature, and I am not. Again perfectly fine to run the sporting world like this where ultimately the stakes are not that high. But when people's very livelihoods are on the line is this really the right sort of perspective?"
Not to pick on you RCP90, but you've posited a society that is committed not to geting better, but to holding the line at "average" or simply "good enough." Everyone should be "relatively equal" no matter differences in hard work or abilities. I can't imagine a worse world and I'm horrified to think that many people actually believe this. (And I know you are not alone). I mean no offense to you, either, but you've proposed a dystopia that would be worse than the most horrible society I can imagine.
The more I think about this, the worse I feel and more I feel compelled to comment on it. If we don't want the exceptional to get "too far ahead" of others because of concerns over 'disparity' in outcomes, is it not clear that we don't wind up with the light bulb? Or the airplane? Or the Mona Lisa? Or Mozart's Requiem? Or Steinbeck?
We can't have such exceptional art, science, literature, inventions, making some people famous, wealthy, or too far above the rest of the mundane, now can we?
It is the steady slough of a society toward oblivion.
It is exactly the celebration of greatness, of the extraordinary, whether by Divine Inspiration, fortunate genetics, hard work, or some combination of all (or something else, call it magic for all I care), that we all benefit.
Imagine if instead of income, we limited CF scores for the top performers, no matter how hard they worked, so they could only do slightly better than the average. Rich Froning, Jr.'s score would be capped at 193 reps - no matter if he was able to do 260. 'Cuz we wouldn't want him to get too far ahead of others and produce such disparate results.
Likewise, Apple would not be allowed to ever make more than $150 million in revenues. The government would just take the rest of it. Ditto for IBM. Or Disney. DuPont. Dow.
We reward the marginal instead.
Gah, I think I've just glimpsed what the end of the world looks like.
Dale that was quite elegantly put
total time: 22:23
Clarification I meant eloquent not elegant
Kurt Vonnegut actually based a short story, "Harrison Bergeron," on an extreme version of social equality.
It takes a look at what steps society could go to in an effort to ensure that any genetic gift an individual receives is counteracted by government officials, in an effort to make everyone equal.
I was originally going to make a goofy comment about the dude dressed up as Camille the Chicken (Muppets anyone?), but after reading all the “equality” posts, I have to take a detour.
It’s nice to see there are others out there who share my thoughts on the issue (@Pete, @ R.I.P. Milton Friedman, @ Dale_Saran).
Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one who sees the flawed logic in our society’s prevalent belief that “equal opportunity” means “equal results”. You folks put it more eloquently than I ever could.
We all have the equal opportunity (i.e. freedom) to achieve greatness; almost always in direct proportion to our efforts. As soon as a society/government mandates “equality” in order to “level the playing field”, we’ve taken away the opportunity (freedom) for anyone to truly excel.