June 23, 2011

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fool·ish   /ˈfulɪʃ/ [foo-lish]

–adjective
1. resulting from or showing a lack of sense; ill-considered; unwise: a foolish action, a foolish speech.

Comment #1 - Posted by: Justino at June 22, 2011 5:09 PM

That Heather Scaglione video is pretty sad. Almost crying that she is going through so much pain. Why not stop to CrossFit another day? And who keeps pushing her to do more, since she "can do it!"?

There is a time to stop.

Comment #2 - Posted by: JF at June 22, 2011 5:10 PM

Heather-

Thank you.

Miranda

Comment #3 - Posted by: Miranda O. at June 22, 2011 5:21 PM

Well to hell that person who pushed her. They must have been on crack or something else. Opps that person was HER. She told herself to keep going not to stop push beyond the PAIN. Yes Crossfit Hurts sometimes.Keep up the the hard work Heather Scaglione. That Video mite give one little girl a little inspiration. Rock on Heather.

Comment #4 - Posted by: john at June 22, 2011 5:23 PM

this video is wholly uninspiring, anybody can push through and risk permanent damage to their shoulder, sometimes it takes a stronger heart to know when it's time to stop.

I thought crossfit was about development not destruction

Comment #5 - Posted by: BB at June 22, 2011 5:23 PM

http://www.thedailyshrewsbury.com/hc.e.78165.lasso

"JR Thomas, owner of JR Thomas CrossFit in Shrewsbury, died unexpectedly on Thursday and friends and local residents are mourning the sudden loss."

RIP fellow CrossFitter

-FH

Comment #6 - Posted by: Freddy Hamchop at June 22, 2011 5:25 PM

What if Heather considered competing in the Regionals a once in a lifetime opportunity?

If this were an athlete struggling similarly through an event at the Olympics, I'd bet folks would be less likely to object.

I would venture that she put a lot of time and effort into her training, and even shaped much of the past year around it, and despite the unfortunate shoulder injury she decided to press on as a matter of principle or to learn something about herself.

At the end of the original LONGEST YARD, wasn't that football player who blew out his knee thinking, 'We beat the Guards? That was worth it.'

Comment #7 - Posted by: TRN III at June 22, 2011 5:33 PM

Yes Crossfit will Destroy you and Destroy you and Destroy you and Destroy you. That is why i do it.

Comment #8 - Posted by: john at June 22, 2011 5:42 PM

Heather, you have an abundance of what I personally consider to be the most admirable of qualities: GAMENESS.
A.P.B.T people will know what I'm talking about.
You go girl.

Comment #9 - Posted by: CUZ at June 22, 2011 5:42 PM

I second Miranda - thank you. Gave me chills...

Comment #10 - Posted by: Andy at June 22, 2011 5:48 PM

It's easy to critize others when you have NO HEART. Heather, you are a true inspiration.

Comment #11 - Posted by: Milt at June 22, 2011 5:53 PM

In the moment, when you have heart, it is hard to stop. That's when you need people to tell you to shut 'er down so you can fight again tomorrow.

If you've ever wondered why football and hockey players keep playing when they are concussed, just watch this video again.

Comment #12 - Posted by: Steve Mac at June 22, 2011 6:24 PM

It's difficult to define inspiration. Thank you Heather for allowing us to witness it.

Comment #13 - Posted by: Steve at June 22, 2011 6:31 PM

My opinion is I value more my shoulder health especially when I become older. I've known martial artists with this attitude that literally beat themselves up over time. No difference here.

Comment #14 - Posted by: Luan Jancaster at June 22, 2011 6:39 PM

Sorry guys, but I couldn't finish watching that video. After struggling with shoulder injuries for several years, I simply can't agree that pushing through and completing the workout was the right thing to do. Does it demonstrate heart? Most definitely. But in my opinion it's rather misplaced. The tradeoff here is the results of one competition versus greatly increased chance of complications from the injury that will affect her for the rest of her life. I completely respect her right to choose the way she did, but in this case I would argue that it was NOT in her long-term best interest.

Comment #15 - Posted by: Anon at June 22, 2011 6:42 PM

Ooo, I like this discussion. Does HQ have the heart to follow Heather and see what happens after this? Yes, we all love sports and and all the great moments it produces, and sure she shows tremendous heart, and it's great that people get insipred by that. But ask Heather in 6 months if it was worth it. I thought CrossFit was about staying as healthy and fit as possible, but now that it's becoming a sport, it seem like we're drifting more and more away from that. We'll see more injuries, and more use of drugs. Sad, but true.

Comment #16 - Posted by: Kim at June 22, 2011 6:57 PM

Watching Heather push herself through the workout brought a tear to my eye. So much desire, push, and heart.

At the same time, I was concerned about her future and wonder if there comes a point where CrossFit has to have someone at events like this that tells an athlete, "you're done for the day." I guess that's up to HQ to figure out.

Comment #17 - Posted by: sirkarm at June 22, 2011 7:02 PM

Love the Heather video. I was inspired. Get well & keep it up!!

Comment #18 - Posted by: Andrew at June 22, 2011 7:02 PM

people that criticize that video are forgetting why we crossfit. doing what others think are crazy. i have been saying for a long time that i believe that the more people that are getting involved with this sport, the more we forget the roots. pushing your body to the limit is what it's all about. if she was training i say yeah, listen to your body but for the competition if at the end your body isn't broken down then you should ask yourself "did you really give it your all?" and then your next question should be "well then if it wasn't your all, then was it worth it?" thank you heather for inspiring me. all those times i look for excuses why i can't push harder i will think back to this video and push that much harder. truly an inspiration.

Comment #19 - Posted by: matt at June 22, 2011 7:09 PM

There is a fine line between bravery and foolishness.

Comment #20 - Posted by: JRizzel at June 22, 2011 7:12 PM

good grief! people really can't keep from tearing each other down, can they? that's what you call a "heart hunt," and no doubt she found hers. brought tears to my eyes. bottom line: she's not a quitter, and i'd want her on my team any day. she's young and healty, and she'll be fine. give it a rest!

Comment #21 - Posted by: Robert at June 22, 2011 7:19 PM

CUZ, I'm a pit lover/owner and I love the perspective. Heather is TRULY game and all respect goes out to her mettle. That said, "pit men" (even as low as they are) will often pull their dogs from a fight. Boxing trainers will throw in the towel. Athletic trainers and managers pull their athletes from the highest levels of competition including the Olympics, The Super Bowl, The World Series, etc. Whoever was with Heather should have interceded.

Comment #22 - Posted by: John Seiler at June 22, 2011 7:20 PM

I have great admiration for Heather for her heart and determination, but I couldn't bear to watch the entire video. I felt sick to my stomach thinking about the long term consequences for her shoulder. I pray that she has a speady recovery and is back competing again soon.

Comment #23 - Posted by: Dave at June 22, 2011 7:26 PM

Did Chris Spealler qualify for the Games? I didn't see his name in results from the Southwest Regional.

Comment #24 - Posted by: Curious at June 22, 2011 7:30 PM

The risks out weigh the benefits in this situation

Comment #25 - Posted by: Richard at June 22, 2011 7:34 PM

Well hopefully this wont be a rest day for me and I can make up the deadlift workout. Because lucky ol me is sitting in the ER with a really bad upper neck/lower head pain. I guess I worked myself alittle to hard on mondays workout lol

Comment #26 - Posted by: Fernando at June 22, 2011 7:36 PM

Heather appears to be an adult who made an adult decision for herself. Where do you people get off bad mouthing her and calling her foolish. Its none of your business get a life and enjoy the content. Im sure not one of the people who is criticizing has the ability or toughness to qualify for the games.

Heather I hope the shoulder heals up. Good luck to you and thanks for being a badass.

Comment #27 - Posted by: Jeff M at June 22, 2011 7:39 PM

Pushing through pain and adversity in pursuit of a goal=good
Having passion and commitment=good
Demonstrating character and inner strength=good
A group culture that celebrates and encourages individuals to put their long-term health at risk in service of the above=bad

Serious question for the box owners who like this video: does this video make it more likely or less likely that Joe Crossfit at Crossfit Bravado will continue to push through that hero WOD after the excruciatingly sharp shooting sensation he felt in his knee?

Absolutely no offense or criticism to Heather, though; she did what she thought was best in the moment. My beef is with HQ trying to exploit and glorify taking this kind of risk in anything other than a true life or death situation.

Comment #28 - Posted by: Nashville Steve at June 22, 2011 7:59 PM

How many coaches would continue to push a gym member through a workout after a should dislocation? Its good to have desire and 'heart' but its also beneficial to have others around, especially during a competition, who are objective arbiters (judges/medical staff) to keep people from hurting themselves. Good for her to keep going, bad for those running the competition for not stopping her. Those running crossfit know this from observing/participating in elite military training. Of course you don't want to take the guy that quits, but you also can't have trainees hurting themselves with their determination. Same principle applies here.

Comment #29 - Posted by: B-Mo M/33/6'/190 at June 22, 2011 8:01 PM

"My beef is with HQ trying to exploit and glorify taking this kind of risk in anything other than a true life or death situation." Ahhh, don't be so quick to judge their viewpoint, Steve. HQ has a LONG history of stirring the pot to see what bubbles rise up. The idea of Rest Day is to post often controversial themes so we can exercise our minds through intellectual discourse.

Comment #30 - Posted by: John Seiler at June 22, 2011 8:05 PM

Who here would allow one of their athletes to continue through that serious of an injury? You can admire her heart but that doesn't mean you need to ignore the foolishness of her decision, nor the lack of wise council around her. I’ve tried to play my respective sports through a torn ACL and shoulder injuries and the only difference is my coach stepped in a prioritized my health over my short term need to compete.

Comment #31 - Posted by: Rich at June 22, 2011 8:16 PM

It was inspirational to see her push through so much pain... It was inexcusable that she was not stopped by any of the presumably clear headed people surrounding her.

Comment #32 - Posted by: Todd at June 22, 2011 8:16 PM

If someone showed signs of rhabdomyolysis, but insisted they continue a workout until completion, would that be heart?

To each their own, but pushing yourself to the limit when you are healthy is different than pushing yourself to the limit when injured.

Comment #33 - Posted by: Mark at June 22, 2011 8:19 PM

I know CF has right-leaning political views, but last I checked, Jordan is not in Israel

Comment #34 - Posted by: lq at June 22, 2011 8:21 PM

Comment #24 John. Without "pit men, as low as they are," we wouldn't have the breed that we love so dearly. Without the "barbaric" arena of the pit, all of the amazing qualities that the dogs possess disappear. I don't want to get into an argument about animal cruelty but Pits were bred for one reason and one reason only. You can't have one without the other. Train hard, man, enjoy your dog, they truly are second to none.

Comment #35 - Posted by: CUZ at June 22, 2011 8:26 PM

Comment #24 John. Without "pit men, as low as they are," we wouldn't have the breed that we love so dearly. Without the "barbaric" arena of the pit, all of the amazing qualities that the dogs possess disappear. I don't want to get into an argument about animal cruelty but Pits were bred for one reason and one reason only. You can't have one without the other. Train hard, man, enjoy your dog, they truly are second to none.

Comment #36 - Posted by: CUZ at June 22, 2011 8:26 PM

Hey somebody tell that girl I think her shoulder is dislocated. Cheering/pushing someone on with that type of injury is irresponsible. Continuing to push yourself with that type of injury is irresponsible.

Comment #37 - Posted by: Brennan at June 22, 2011 8:30 PM

my comment did not make it through the filter, somehow. so here goes number 2!

heather that was an inspiration to me and a huge a motivational push. it reminded me of myself several weeks ago, the first time i ever ever cried during a WOD. i surely did not dislocate anything, but i was crossfitting. so to all the people who are talking trash to you, keep it movin cause you're a beast girl. im sure you will heal up fine and be hitting the regionals just as hard next year. so whatever they see doesn't matter because im pretty sure they did not even make it your position, as far as you did(obviosuly you were chippin' so you made it to day 3 with PRIDE). anyway, once again, keep beastin!!!

to those who are talking smack...crossfit is a "safe" functional fitness program, but correct me if im wrong that 99% of the time: ITS NOT COMFORTABLE AT ALL!!!?!? But thats why we crossfit, because thats the beauty in it.

oh yea, thank you hq for givng me this free site to talk trash to people who always have to come out of the woodwork and ream this FREE site that you so kindly have given to us! hahah

thanks again heather, you're amazing. hq, you too.

Comment #38 - Posted by: lei at June 22, 2011 8:35 PM

This is a tough one, she has the heart to not fail at the sport she loves. In the moment who knows what you would do, if you want to criticize anyone it should not be her, where is her coach. On another note men and women all over the world take risk like running into a burning building haveing a firefight with terrorist. They do it because they love what they do, saving lives defending freedom. Heather is doing this because it is what she loves and what she stands for. God bless

Comment #39 - Posted by: Nick at June 22, 2011 8:54 PM

As Heather's teammate and friend, I feel the need to speak up for her. She is top notch. Kind, humble and completely genuine, Heather is the type that would be embarrassed by all the fuss that's being made about her, especially with this video on the main site. She's hardly "look at me drama"... I've never seen her upset, let alone cry.

Call it brave, foolish, inspirational, whatever... Heather's decision to compete in the final wod was hers and hers alone. She is a grown woman who was faced with a difficult decision after an emotionally and physically taxing weekend. Making it to the 3rd day of competition was a dream come true. Her dream was crushed during Amanda when she separated her shoulder. She has a history with this injury, which is how she knew to "adjust" it during the workout and continue.

Heather is a world class athlete (not just figuratively speaking, she has played Softball internationally). She knew exactly what she was getting into if she decided to compete in the final WOD. It was extremely difficult for us to sit back while she competed but she made her decision and we supported her and cheered her on until time was called. To think that anyone should not cheer for an injured athlete because you don't agree with their decision to compete is ludicrous. You cheer like hell.

Unless anyone has been in her exact position, I suggest you take a step back from your cushy position behind the keyboard where it's easy to criticize. We're all relatively intelligent adults here. This video is in no way encouraging to anyone, when you see how much pain she is in, and will continue to be for the next few weeks or months. Take the video for what it is: Someone fulfilled her dream of competing at a high level Crossfit event and gave every ounce of her heart to finish.

Cheers to you, Heather. I wish you a speedy recovery. Regionals 2012!

Brooke

Comment #40 - Posted by: Brooke Alderman at June 22, 2011 9:23 PM

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

Comment #41 - Posted by: Teddy Roosevelt at June 22, 2011 9:25 PM

#24 Chris Spealler was pre-qualified for the Games due to his finish in the 2010 Games. I think he opted not to participate in the Regionals this year as did other top Crossfitters.

Comment #42 - Posted by: Wayne at June 22, 2011 9:27 PM

Good posts by Brooke (#37) and Teddy Roosevelt (#38). That quote is one of my favorites. I'm stunned by Heather's toughness and strength, she's a superior athlete to me. I respect her decision and in the spirit of good will I hope she mends quickly. If her shoulder were to be seriously injured from the extra abuse it will be her job to deal with that since she made her own decision.

I do know that while athletes will always want to keep going there is a point when enough is enough. A dislocated shoulder isn't life threatening so if the athlete wants to keep pushing, good on him or her. Heat stroke, dehydration, delirium -- all different stories.

Comment #43 - Posted by: Clark (29M/6'8"/225) at June 22, 2011 10:13 PM

Heather!

we watched you. we cheered for you. we saw it in your face; we knew you made a choice to see it thru and give it your all.

heal fast, complete, and then carry on bulldozer style!

no quit :-)

~ kris clever

Comment #44 - Posted by: cleverhandz at June 23, 2011 12:16 AM

Sad and depressing. First that it happened and second (more so) that it's being glorified. Goodbye forever crossfit.

Comment #45 - Posted by: Dmic at June 23, 2011 1:22 AM

Does anyone know how to submit pics for the mainsite posting?

Comment #46 - Posted by: Dave E. at June 23, 2011 3:17 AM

#45 Dmic, is that a promise?

Comment #47 - Posted by: Good Riddance at June 23, 2011 4:58 AM

++ For Soldiers, Death Sees No Gender Lines ++
Specialist Devin Snyder, a 20-year-old from the Southern Tier of New York State, was killed by a bomb planted on a highway near this town in eastern Laghman Province on June 4. She became the 28th female American soldier to die in Afghanistan.

Also killed:
Private Voakes, 21, an American Indian from the Keweenaw Bay tribe in upper Michigan, was proud that he and his brother were the first members of their tribe to serve in Afghanistan.
Sgt. Christopher R. Bell, 21, of Golden, Miss., who had a 1-year-old daughter, a girl so perfect, he told his fellow platoon members, that he and his wife, Sam, had no need for any more children.
Sgt. Joshua D. Powell, 38, a Texan with a perpetual wad of chewing tobacco and a thick drawl, who was on his second tour in Afghanistan — the first earned him a Purple Heart and an award for valor.

Parsed from NYT article, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/world/asia/22afghanistan.html?src=recg

Comment #48 - Posted by: Grumpy old man at June 23, 2011 5:10 AM

Worst CF video I've ever seen! I would not of counted any of those dumbell cleans. Very bad judgement on her part.

Comment #49 - Posted by: mike at June 23, 2011 5:53 AM

@#27

"Where do you people get off bad mouthing her and calling her foolish"

I think it's more that people want to discourage this sort of self-destructive behavior.

Comment #50 - Posted by: Khalid at June 23, 2011 6:06 AM

it is less the act and more the glorification of the act that is an issue in my mind.

if one chooses to push through an injury, so be it, we see it in sport daily. we also see the glorification of that act, daily, on major networks.

with the ongoing debates surrounding concussions in sport etc... for cf to choose to glorify the act, well, that's just plain silly in my personal opinion. where this falls under increasing your work capacity, virtuosity or the health/fitness curve, i'm not sure.

but i'd not condemn the athlete and i doubt it was at her insistence that a video was made and posted on the mainsite. i can understand her drive, i can sympathize with the situation and i hope she heals well.

Comment #51 - Posted by: tim at June 23, 2011 6:26 AM

Great Basketball player from my area dislocated his shoulder and after 3 surgeries was never the same. The objective of Crossfit is to move Closer to FITNESS for the rest of your life. Nothing inspiring about watching someone damage themselves. That s why boxing trainers can throw in the towel. The fighter never wants to stop, but someone has to protect them at a certain point. There is a difference between heart and damaging yourbody for the long term.

Comment #52 - Posted by: Mark Timinski at June 23, 2011 6:38 AM

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Comment #53 - Posted by: Chad at June 23, 2011 6:56 AM

AWESOME! I guess I have to get that poster! Stonehenge was really cool in person

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Comment #55 - Posted by: Chad at June 23, 2011 6:58 AM

I think was is so frustrating about this video is that is that her decision was counterproductive to the fundamental goal of Crossfit. Glassman proposes that health is defined as work capacity over the course of a person's lifetime. It's very possible that she jeopardized her health, as defined by work capacity over the years, permanently. Ultimately, she may be less fit going forward. That was her decision in the heat of the moment, and I can respect that. What is so bothersome is that nobody was looking out for her health. http://journal.crossfit.com/2011/05/afpurposeofcf.tpl

Comment #56 - Posted by: Jon Gray at June 23, 2011 7:04 AM

At the end of three months of training at Paris Island, a group of about 300 recruits participated in The Crucible. 52 hours of non-stop training, total of about 8 hours of sleep and 3 meals. 50 + miles of forced hikes, constant PT and obstacle courses. Every few hours the DI's came around and asked you, "are you hurt or are you injured?" I won't start to tell you about the "hurts" we had or the severity of them, but I can tell you that not one Marine in my presence was injured, regardless of their "hurts." This video reminds me of that.

Heather is the real deal, most people will not ever experience that type of heart within themselves so I understand why they don't understand it. Well Heather, I salute you for your heart.

Comment #57 - Posted by: Jason S. at June 23, 2011 7:10 AM

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

TEDDY ROOSEVELT SECOND POST...THX ABOVE

Comment #58 - Posted by: danlau at June 23, 2011 8:16 AM

I'm with #20 and others; I'm not sure which side of the line of bravery and foolishness this exemplifies. I dislocated my AC joint; at least partially tore multiple ligaments, including the superior acromio clavilular ligament; and tore around half the muscle in my shoulder last summer when I went over the handlebars of my xc mtn bike after poorly landing a jump. The pain made me angry and I did not treat it properly at the time or immediately seek medical attention. Now, the muscle has grown back from the spongy mess that it was, but bone is still disfigured and I can feel that I have issues with weakness. I guess from my experience, I would say treat injuries with caution. We only get one of each joint, at least until biomedical engineering advances far enough to completely replace joints and repair ligaments. So if your life is not on the line, I would say weigh your options before potentially turning a temporary injury into a debilitating one.
Having said that, props to you, Heather, for struggling through the pain. I have not dislocated a shoulder, but I know tearing up parts of my AC joint took me to a different level of consciousness, and not in a particularly fun way.

Comment #59 - Posted by: tojo at June 23, 2011 8:26 AM

Whatever happened to the grassroots superstars of Crossfit. These people upheld strict standards to form and integrity if the lifts and exercises. It seems that the need for speed is pushing aside the safety of the lifts. I have been doing Crossfit for 8 years and shake my head in disgust as I watch the fitness methods that I really believe in and helped expand thru the years quickly lose it's credibility. I was always taught safety is in the form but I watch each year that form fall to the wayside. The amount of injuries especially to the shoulders and low back are increasing exponentially. Just making an observation and don't want to see the real basics of good fitness fall.

Comment #60 - Posted by: Dean at June 23, 2011 9:12 AM

"Mental toughness is many things and rather difficult to explain. Its qualities are sacrifice and self-denial."
Vince Lombardi

Comment #61 - Posted by: Jason S. at June 23, 2011 9:20 AM

I commend her for wanting to stick with it after an injury, however she should never have been cleared to continue. This is an example of extremely poor judging and event management; to allow someone to continue on and risk permanent damage is completely irresponsible.
A lot of people in the Crossfit community need a serious reality check, 99.9% of us are not special forces soldiers or professional athletes. We are weekend warriors, and smart, safe training should always take precedence. You can talk about heart all you want, but if in the end you are laying on an operating table looking at 6 - 12 months recovery then it is a moot point. Hopefully she is not looking at a long recovery process, but to promote this type of behavior is to solidify the perception that Crossfit is not a safe means of fitness, and that if you follow Crossfit programming for any amount of time you will have the eventual shoulder injury. Again, not trying to trash her decision, which of course is hers alone to make, but there is no defense as to why the judges or event managers allowed her to continue. For liability purposes alone, which is a whole other can of worms.

Comment #62 - Posted by: Will B at June 23, 2011 9:32 AM

When I was 20 this was "Inspiration"

Now that I'm almost 50 it's "Foolish"

I pushed through a similar injury in high school wrestling. Now I struggle with every shoulder exercise and worry about how bad it will be when the inevitable arthritis really sets in. A year ago I did deadlift singles and did just one two many, causing a back pull. Theres a fine line between pushing hard and doing something damaging.

Comment #63 - Posted by: RussG at June 23, 2011 9:49 AM

I get it. I get why Heather pushed herself way beyond her limits. I understand her determination and dedication to finishing her task at hand. Her own personal will, the heat of the moment, her drive, her own personal pride, a sense of accomplishment, etc... To be honest, in that exact scenario, I would probably have done the same thing. I admire her push.
BUT in saying that CrossFit, the organization, in these Games has a responsibility to these athletes help insure as much safety as possible, especially, in such a blatant and obvious case such as this one. She should have been stopped.
As I recall seeing a clip once of Dave Castro being asked, in regards to the Games, "what if somebody gets injured", to where he responded somewhere along the lines of "well then we stop right away and figure out what went wrong."
This certainty wasn’t the case here.
I am not saying in the slightest bit that it is CrossFits responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt--that is simply not possible and would be dumb to say. BUT I believe, looking at things in a case-by-case basis, this was certainly a time where wiser heads should have prevailed.
Now what is to become of Heather? Will she be fine and come back to her same athletic form now with a much stronger will than most?? Possibly. Or did she damage her shoulder to the extent of it never being the same and, in doing so, destroy any future CrossFit (the sport we and she clearly love and live to do) endeavours she would like to tackle? Maybe.
In the end, Heather is clearly a strong willed women and I believe it was not worth the risk of possibly permanently losing something she loves to display that will. The individuals around her should have quickly acknowledged the strong emotions overcoming her in the moment and said “Heather you’ve done amazing and we are all proud of you and you should certainly be proud of what you’ve accomplished here today but where the risk may not outweigh the benefit and we need to stop.”
Who knows, maybe she was WISHING SOMEBODY would have said that to her as opposed to the extreme pressures of the judge continually counting her reps and the crowd cheering (and in doing so may have unintentionally been pushing her to extremes she really did not want to go).
I could be wrong in all of this but one thing I do know is that this display certainly does not embody CrossFit’s safe, efficient and effective motto. The individuals involved in the Games should have recognized this and (although clearly not the popular thing to do) immediately stopped the event.

Comment #64 - Posted by: dan bosco at June 23, 2011 10:09 AM

That's not heart, its peer pressure from everyone jeering her on.

That's not heart, its asking for trouble.

Comment #65 - Posted by: Orrin at June 23, 2011 10:12 AM

Before each event Heather and I talked about what we came here to do this past weekend. Although we both had different reasons for our goals, our goals remained the same... To do the very best we could, and to never give up or give in. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that, as an athlete, if Heather ever felt she couldn't move forward with the WOD or any of the movements without doing irreparable damage to a shoulder injury she's had numerous times before, she would have stopped. And, as I stood out there in the waning moments of the WOD with my head in my hands and my eyes filled with tears I realized that I would have done the very same thing.... It's what athletes do when they are competitors, and when their soul is filled with passion for something... A conviction, and a dream. You just don't walk away... You NEVER walk away.
I am honored to not only workout with Heather, but to call her my friend. MAD RESPECT!
"My head is bloody, but unbowed"

Comment #66 - Posted by: LL at June 23, 2011 10:31 AM

Heart as described in this video is really about the mental capacity to endure pain in pursuit of a goal. It is not a boolean state. If she had pushed through the dumbbell ground-overheads, but then tapped out on the toes-to-bar, she would probably still be being praised for her heart. You can demonstrate heart without permanently damaging your body.

A good parallel comes from my experience as a competitive swimmer. My sister and I always had unusually good lung capacity, and contests on who could swim the farthest without breathing, we were almost always near the top. A large part of those contests is mental. Holding your breath for a long time hurts, and winning is largely about who endures the most pain. But in this case the line between heart and stupidity is much clearer. If you push too far, you'll pass out, and since you're in the water, you could drown.

Now I ask you, at what point in this battle do you say someone has heart? Do they have to pass out to be counted worthy? I would hope not. How about one second before they would have passed out? 5 seconds? 1 minute? In this case you have to have someone around to rescue if it goes too far. It would seem that the same is true of CrossFit competitions, although the criteria is less obvious. I admire the heart that Heather displayed, but someone needs to be looking out for the well being of the athletes.

Comment #67 - Posted by: Swimmer at June 23, 2011 10:32 AM

Opinions very. Some understand, some dont.

Literally choked up watching this video by myself in my kitchen. Unreal! Choosing to Press forward against the odds. Pain comes and goes. But I will never forget efforts like this! Memorable.

Comment #68 - Posted by: David Falco at June 23, 2011 10:33 AM

Anyone remember Byron Leftwitch being carried by his offensive lineman in a game when he injured his leg and couldn't walk when he played at Marshall?...I dont remember the score or anyting much other from the game. But that memory of "courage/heart/commitment/or whatever you call it" will live on in sports history.

For the people who criticize negatively...that is why no one will remeber YOUR name.

Comment #69 - Posted by: David Falco at June 23, 2011 10:46 AM

Without knowing the full story behind "Heart" it no doubt shows that the human mind is capable of overriding what the physical body deems appropriate. That being said, at what cost does one deem potential permanent physical damage worth it? We are all here on this site (crossfit) because we want to test what we are made of. At the end of the day though nobody cares how we do except for ourselves, nobody will remember how we did after a while except for ourselves. To put one's potential future on the line to show heart...people will have forgotten about this before the rehab is done. I hate quitting just as much as the next crossfitter but if I need to quit/suck up my pride to prevent potential permenat injury so I can play another day, I will. I wish Heather the best.

Comment #70 - Posted by: Ryan at June 23, 2011 11:11 AM

One's health (except in VERY extreme circumstances) must come first. I say this with true hope and zero malice - I hope she can lift her arm above her head when she's 50.

Comment #71 - Posted by: Scott at June 23, 2011 11:22 AM

I also got a huge kick out of the "Jordan, Israel" footer. : )

Comment #72 - Posted by: Scott at June 23, 2011 11:23 AM

Question:

Why doesn't OPT represent crossfit? Is it because HQ feels threatened by his programming style's efficacy, and the increasingly widespread use of some of his methods througout the community?

Comment #73 - Posted by: John Thomas at June 23, 2011 12:16 PM

@David #65.

BOOM. Nailed it.

Heather was not in a life-threatening situation, thus there was no responsibility on anyone to force her to stop competing. Her shoulder will not kill her. It was up to her, NOT the judges or the event coordinators or her coaches or anyone, to continue or quit. Her continuing to push through the workout affected no-one but herself, and no one could diagnose the severity of her injury in that moment but her.

In that arena, where people qualified by demonstrating that YES, they are better than the majority of us "weekend warriors", she is a bonafide athlete. People commenting that she was stupid and that CrossFit is glorifying injury are missing the point. No one is glorifying her injury. What is glorified is someone who reached, for them, the highest level of competition they're going to attain in Crossfit (at least this year). For Heather, nothing was more important than competing until the last second ticked off the clock. And shame on anyone here criticizing that.

None of us have any idea of the training she put in to reach that point. No one knows what that moment meant to her, but we can gauge by her actions, and I gauge that it meant EVERYTHING.

So kudos to you Heather. You did it. Now go see a doctor. see you next year.

Comment #74 - Posted by: d.dot at June 23, 2011 12:23 PM

I posted this a few days ago with no response. What is the general CF concensus with pre-workout supplements? Personally I think I mentally need them before a workout whether or not they do anything.

Comment #75 - Posted by: dante at June 23, 2011 12:32 PM

There are wolfs, sheep and sheepdogs!

Comment #76 - Posted by: Dan S. at June 23, 2011 1:05 PM

There are wolfs, sheep and sheepdogs! Thank you Heather. I will never forget that performance.

Comment #77 - Posted by: Dan S. at June 23, 2011 1:06 PM

Neither could I finish watching the video. Yes, of course, it was her decision. I, personally don't think it was the right one, but we are all entitled to make our own choices and I don't know Heather's circumstances, or what was in her head or her coach's (if she had one) head at that time. I think everyone in this community, at every level, admires the personal strength it takes to push onesself through incredibly difficult times. We admire that strength of character and strive for its development in ourselves and in our own athletes, even at great cost. However, I would never let one of my athletes continue a workout with a dislocated shoulder, nor would I do this myself, especially after suffering, rehabbing and coming back from several serious injuries myself. But again, that's a different story. What I don't approve of, fwiw, is HQ placing this video up and calling it "Heart" and trying to pass this off as a good or admirable decision. It was an unfortunately foolish decision that may cost her her shoulder health and the resulting ability to train and/or compete at a high level in the future. I certainly wish her the best and hope that she'll make a full recovery. I hope that others don't follow this example. We all know HQ likes to keep the fires of controversy burning on the main site, but I truly hope they start taking a bit of a step back and looking at the influence they have. Throwing semi-nude and otherwise potentially inflammatory content up here is one thing. Encouraging young athletes to follow Heather's lead is a dangerous path to go down.

Comment #78 - Posted by: ra at June 23, 2011 2:07 PM

F/41/5'6"/145

5K: 29:43

tired, hot, humid, no breeze--really dragging today

Comment #79 - Posted by: mom to five at June 23, 2011 2:32 PM

@ #69, personally I have been taking jack3d before my WODs that are lower intensity and strength focused. If it's a high intensity, high hart rate WOD then I stay away from anything pre-workout. If I'm doing a full SealFIT WOD I'll grab a non caffeinated power gel around 1/2 through.

I think you'll find that consensus of the CrossFIT community is anti-supplements in general. Furthermore you'll probably be chastised for having a perceived "addiction" to pre-workout supplements.

My opinion if it works for you and you're putting out 100% w/ or w/o pre-workout stuff then drive on.

Comment #80 - Posted by: Mark John at June 23, 2011 3:10 PM

did she finish amanda with that shoulder?

Comment #81 - Posted by: Andy at June 23, 2011 3:18 PM

“Yes, the pain shot through me like a knife. It brought tears to my eyes.
But now I have a gold medal and the pain is gone.”
Shun Fujimoto, Gymnast, and 1976 Olympic Gold Medalist

Maybe Heather will look back and say it wasn't worth it. Maybe she'll look back and say she was never prouder of herself. Who knows? That's her journey.

I think the point is to use these stories as barometers of our own lives, asking questions of ourselves rather than spewing venom at others. We have as much right to err on the side of caution as we do to rise to the occasion. Right or wrong is a relative matter in situations like these. It's up to each of us to decide how we want to live our lives.

Comment #82 - Posted by: Chrissy 30/F/4'11"/105 at June 23, 2011 6:08 PM

my hubby is in the "Jordan, Israel" pic...erroneously labeled...should be "Jerash, Jordan"

Comment #83 - Posted by: tgr at June 24, 2011 2:59 AM

took day to find 1RM on box squat, sumo/back style. first time ever, 275 lbs. raw.

on Heather... her decision, period.

get over it, or don't, but either way it's wasn't your shoulder/decision/life. if you don't agree with her, then "scale" it to your values.

Comment #84 - Posted by: unclepunk at June 24, 2011 10:31 AM

Yesterday's Deadlift WOD, posted there.

Comment #85 - Posted by: Tim 34/5'10/165 at June 24, 2011 12:46 PM

#73, wrote

"I think you'll find that consensus of the CrossFIT community is anti-supplements in general."

Even with all the science Progenex brings to the table?

HB

Comment #86 - Posted by: Harold Butts at June 24, 2011 2:03 PM

We can argue all day about whether or not this was brave or foolish. We can argue whether or not the coach or the athlete are to blame, but none of this is consequential. The root cause, as it has been with a handful of athletes in crossfit competitions over the last few years is the aggressive kip into the muscle up. I'm all for functional movement and believe athletes should know *how* to kip into the muscle up, but we've seen top athletes sidelined over and over again due to this specific use of the kip. While safety concerns between the kipping pullup and strict pullup are minimal, adding an extremely unstable movement to an extremely unstable platform has extremely predictable, and possibly detrimental consequences. Kip less.

Comment #87 - Posted by: matt d at June 24, 2011 4:11 PM

just got back from a 7 month deployment and decided to get in to crossfit. i had to row instead of run. C/J 95# in 14:10 this was my first work out and i love it

Comment #88 - Posted by: mikehillis at June 24, 2011 4:30 PM

Wow, just noticed and totally stoked that I made the handstand poster. I'm the guy falling out of the handstand on the 18th hole at St. Andrews.

Comment #89 - Posted by: Joe Casale/5'5"/165/37yo at July 3, 2011 1:43 PM

That Chugach Mountains, Alaska picture was taken on the Crow Pass trail, about a mile up stream from where I married my wife 367 days ago to the day when this was posted. Whoever is in the picture, I dig your style and your choice of hiking locations.

Comment #90 - Posted by: phillips at July 12, 2011 8:16 PM

If you guys ever had the chance to spend time with Heather Scaglione from the crossfit arm video, you would understand that HEATHER is the only one making herself finish the competition. She's an amazingly driven athlete who would never allow something in her mind as simple as a dislocated shoulder breach her of the opportunity to lay her heart on the field of battle. All of the women who are interested in competing in the Crossfit games, I hope one day you bump into Heather on the side before you next exercise and have a chance to see just how self-motivated and amazing she is. Best of luck to EVERYONE out there trying to be the best inner athlete they can!!! Keep training hard!

Comment #91 - Posted by: Megan at July 24, 2011 7:27 AM

Sorry...one last side note...Heather Scaglione is a U.S. National Team and Women's Professional Softball Player. She was a college All-American at the University of Oklahoma and has a long list of collegiate and non-collegiate awards. (if that can kind of give you a glimpse into her dedication to acheiving her goal and never stopping until her body gives out...not her mind!)

Comment #92 - Posted by: Megan at July 24, 2011 7:33 AM
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