April 24, 2011

Sunday 110424

Rest Day


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Pablo Ravizzoli, Bagram, Afghanistan.

"CrossFit Kids: Practical Application" with Dr. Jon Gary, CrossFit Journal preview video [wmv] [mov]

"Chains, Pull-ups and Pat Sherwood" with Dave Castro - video [wmv] [mov]

Anton Bruckner, Symphony 6 First Mov. Part 1, Part 2, Part 3.

William Carlos Williams - The Use of Force.

"We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers" by Stephen Moore, The Wall Street Journal.

Post thoughts to comments.

Posted by lauren at April 24, 2011 5:00 PM

In response to the article about America becoming a nation of "takers, not makers". No American asked for manufacturing jobs to be sent overseas. Corporations simply find it cheaper to exploit labor in the third world. The correlation is simply incorrect: nothing is manufactured in the United States anymore and that has NOTHING to do with how many people work in the government. There are NO jobs available for college graduates, let alone possibilities to take "risks". What I got from the article is that the government is providing jobs, because there is nothing else. His education analogy is fantastic. America can now send all their children to China for education, because it's too expensive to educate them here.

Comment #1 - Posted by: Matt at April 23, 2011 5:18 PM

The US is still one the largest manufacturing countries in the world. Just because all the crap we buy at Wally-mart is made in china does not mean we have stopped making things.

Also since Socialism seems to be the way of our future. The only jobs that will be available will be public sector jobs that replace the slowly dying private sector. Then you can all enjoy your lower standard of living as the ones who actually pay for the entire system(The consumers) go broke.

Comment #2 - Posted by: Ryan at April 23, 2011 5:39 PM

great video with Dave. I enjoyed getting a "behind the scenes" nugget of how he got into CF and his training.

The self motivation and inner drive to work out alone in the garage is inspiring as I generally need the push of the CF Box structure to get me going unless a kid is home sick or I am strapped for time and hit our garage gym. My husband is very similar disposition to Pat and Dave with working out solo.

Comment #3 - Posted by: Kim Malz~Fit Mom in CT (F40/130/5'2") at April 23, 2011 5:40 PM

Actually, corporations find it cheaper manufacturing overseas in a third world country than dealing with unions. Unions have killed manufacturing. Most college graduate professions are not manufacturing based to begin with.

Comment #4 - Posted by: Steve at April 23, 2011 5:43 PM

that article is so true. its scary to see how few people try to excel anymore and are just comfortable with "getting by". scary!!!

Comment #5 - Posted by: matt at April 23, 2011 5:44 PM

Oh and just to reference my comment on US manufacturing.


I don't have a new report and at the rate of government growth and union empowerment, china has most likely passed us up this year.

Comment #6 - Posted by: Ryan at April 23, 2011 5:47 PM

watch zeitgeist the movie (free online) and you will realize none of that stuff really matters... we're pretty much screwed no matter if we make things here or not.

Research the themes and issues it brings up, the movie isn't met to sway your mind immediately.

But at least we can crossfit and be really fit as we live under the control of some pretty sick people.

Comment #7 - Posted by: jason at April 23, 2011 5:47 PM

It's why we CrossFit. So when the world goes completely nuts, we can rebuild it.

Comment #8 - Posted by: Don at April 23, 2011 5:53 PM

That movie was one of things the Arizona congresswoman shooter was watching before he went off the reservation.
Fear is a powerful weapon and a lot of people are afraid of a lot things they cannot control or are not even real at all.

How bout focusing on taking that crossfit work ethic and applying it to every part of our lives, and helping others do the same so we can make this country(US) a leader again.

Comment #9 - Posted by: Ryan at April 23, 2011 5:53 PM


Unions demand higher standards of living for workers so I'm not sure I understand your argument. It seems perfectly reasonable to demand higher wages and a higher standard of living. Chinese workers are all required to be in unions and their economy continues to grow. There are fewer unionized workers in the US now then in the past century and our economy continues to slide. I can't see how lowering the standard of living for all Americans will benefit anyone but the rich.

I'll also restate that the argument that Americans choose not to excel is bogus, there are simply fewer opportunities available and any job happens to be a good job.

Comment #10 - Posted by: Matt at April 23, 2011 5:56 PM

yes, I agree on keep it on crossfit. I was a little confused as to why the "takers, not makers" link was even put up on the page.

And fyi a lot more people watch zeigeist and related films that are not psychotic killers. It's very popular within some very educated circles of people in this country. But keep on keepin on... living ingnorant and blind to truth.

Comment #11 - Posted by: jason at April 23, 2011 6:12 PM

Yes if you were working 30+ years ago you could say that Unions would be helping you.
You cannot say that now. With just a little bit of objective research you can find one example after another of US unions only protecting themselves and not the worker. Time and time again I see unions lay people off to maintain the salary and benefits status quo. The automakers are perfect example. Toyota runs non union plants(with amazing work conditions and benefits by the way) in the US and easily passed up the slow and fat US auto giants that collapsed under their own union weight.

The old "Unions are out for the worker" argument is never followed up with a willingness to have the union leaders held accountable. Just research write to work laws and how they make the unions provide better service, simply because they no longer have monopolies in areas of the work force.

Also to mention Chinese unions is laughable. You do realize they build nets outside the I-Phone factories to catch all the people who try to commit suicide right?
They are growing because they are a capitalistic fascist nation that does not slow itself down with mountains of environmental laws and corporate regulations. There country will pay a price for it in the end, but they obviously arn't worried about that right now.

Comment #12 - Posted by: Ryan at April 23, 2011 6:16 PM

@Myself on #12

The grammar police will have a field day with that post. I do crossfit way better than I type ;-)

Oh and it's rest day. Let the politics flow forth!!! :P

Comment #13 - Posted by: Ryan at April 23, 2011 6:20 PM

The problem is that MONEY = DEBT! The Federal Reserve has enslaved the world. If we did away with the IRS and had a Fair Tax (HR 25) more corporations would want to stay in the US plus others would want to come to America from other countries since we would offer no corporate tax.

Comment #14 - Posted by: zach at April 23, 2011 6:51 PM

MONEY = DEBT! The Fed Reserve is ruining the entire world. STOP PRINTING MONEY!!! The more they print the further in debt we become, wake up people! The simplest way to bring us out of this financial meltdown is to implement the Fair Tax (HR 25). This would bring corps. back to the U.S. The long term fix is much more complicated than that, but we as a species are no where near that civilized yet.

Comment #15 - Posted by: zach at April 23, 2011 7:01 PM

Hey Dave, something that I did years ago that made a huge difference to the top part of my pull up was timed holds at the very top of the movement. I did both weighted and bodyweight holds and just tried to go longer every time I worked them. After a short amount of time the top became the strongest part of my pull up.

Comment #16 - Posted by: CUZ at April 23, 2011 8:08 PM

The US is the largest manufacturer in the world still.
Manufacturing is growing in China because that's where the next market will be. And it will be far larger than what is here. And don't forget India.
US manufacturing productivity is high and consistent year over year because we can easily measure tangible things. Transactional processes and bureaucractic processes resist measurement by their very nature unless there are good management practices with accountability based I'm part upon financials.
There are tremendous opportunities for those who want to take risks. Unfortunately in today's world it takes some good and technical education mixed with a good dose of accounting and economics. Just the stuff we don't teach here but the what the Asians lust for for their children.

Comment #17 - Posted by: Bob at April 23, 2011 8:32 PM



Comment #18 - Posted by: ANC at April 23, 2011 10:01 PM

Who is John Galt?

Comment #19 - Posted by: bsn at April 24, 2011 6:01 AM

"Where are the productivity gains in government? Consider a core function of state and local governments: schools. Over the period 1970-2005, school spending per pupil, adjusted for inflation, doubled, while standardized achievement test scores were flat. Over roughly that same time period, public-school employment doubled per student, according to a study by researchers at the University of Washington. That is what economists call negative productivity.

But education is an industry where we measure performance backwards: We gauge school performance not by outputs, but by inputs. If quality falls, we say we didn't pay teachers enough or we need smaller class sizes or newer schools. If education had undergone the same productivity revolution that manufacturing has, we would have half as many educators, smaller school budgets, and higher graduation rates and test scores."

I am going to refute this writer's take on this. In 1970, how many students had more than a fifth grade education? How many students dropped out before they got to high school?

Due to the fact that MORE students are actually going to high school, more students are actually taking tests means that a higher percentage of the population is actually being educated to the same level due to the results of the test scores.

On top of this, has anyone looked at the standardized tests from 1970's to today's? The SATs have changed. The score is no longer a 1600, it is 2400 due to the addition of a writing sample and more reading comprehension. On top of this, the math questions do not stop at Algebraic questions. Now, the math questions delve into precalculus.

The writer's arguments about education are simplistic and false.

Now, for the remainder of the argument about too many government personnel...I do agree with this portion of his statement.

Comment #20 - Posted by: Stuart at April 24, 2011 6:18 AM

I'm no bleeding heart but the misguided belief that unions are at the core of our issues is just plain wrong. Corporations are going to find cheap labor no matter what. Unless America as a whole is willing to lower its standard of living and let the dollar devalue, unskilled jobs will continue to flow overseas.

It should also be noted that this guy Moore is a political hack. Wrote a book in 2004 cheering W's ownership society (think housing). We all know how well that turned out.

Comment #21 - Posted by: John at April 24, 2011 6:59 AM

Sunday musings...

1) "Start Anywhere". Zen.

2) Happy Easter. More on this to come.

3) Easter Bunny. Mrs. Bingo flew "The Heir" home for a surprise visit! What a great surprise; clan bingo was assembled en masse for the first time since Christmas. Great gift.

4) Church. It is 10:45 AM in Cleveburg and I have not yet gone to Easter mass. Indeed, I have been describing myself of late as a "recovering Catholic"; religion as punch line. In truth I have been struggling for some time with this, treading water in the shallows between religion and faith.

Once upon a time I found the Catholic mass to be a sanctuary. A home away from home, if you will. In church I was in solidarity with millions of other people, all doing essentially the same thing at the same general time. The sameness, the ritual, the knowledge that it was ever as it was and ever shall be was a comfort. That consistency was a touchstone of a sort. For decades I never missed mass.

Although there are significant differences in the basic faith beliefs across the religion domain I have found essential behavioral modes that consistently surface in most, if not all, of them. Be kind. Treat you neighbor as you would wish to be treated. What you do unto others you do unto me. Gaia and her children are to be cherished and nurtured. The circle of life. As soon as humans congregate in units >1 these essential social modes of behavior exist, and in many corners of our planet are reinforced through religion.

So, too, is the faith domain in some way consistent. There MUST be something more than this life. There MUST be something greater, something at least watching. There MUST be something that comes next. There MUST have been something that came before. Indeed, I have written elsewhere that the absence of this faith is a ticket to madness.

The process was gradual, unconscious, unplanned, but over time a less defined yet stronger faith arose, while religious fidelity weakened in the face of its stricter definition. I got less and less out of each visit to church, and more and more out of deeper, more private, more personal explorations of a broader, more expansive faith. Indeed, my spiritual life grew and my adherence to those general behavioral niceties grew, kind of like a plant removed from the confines of its pot that grew to be a tree once planted in the garden.

There is nothing inherently wrong, or bad with the Church of my upbringing. It brings joy and comfort to many of my loved ones as well as countless millions around the world. Nothing wrong with the many other religions and the peaceful practice of their tenets. It's just that I, like that emancipated tree, find it difficult to fit any more.

It's now 11:10 here in Cleveburg, and I've not yet been to Church.

I'll see you next week...

Comment #22 - Posted by: bingo at April 24, 2011 8:22 AM

Does anyone know where I can get a tire like in the picture?

Comment #23 - Posted by: Dion at April 24, 2011 8:42 AM

@ Jeff with the Disc implant. I have one too, same spot. Let me know if you are successful with Crossfit, it's a struggle.

Comment #24 - Posted by: asgrubb@rogers.com at April 24, 2011 9:01 AM

This is a classic shell game. The Powers That Be create the problems and then point in another direction, looking for the scapegoat of the day (Unions, Catholics, Jews, Communists etc etc). Unions didn't design crappy cars. Unions didn't let unfettered capitalism run amok on Wall Street. Unions aren't driving health care through the roof.
If you like the 40-hour work week, the fact that a 10 year old can't be given your job, and the weekend...then get off unions.
If you want the 911 operator to ask for your credit card number instead of your address, if you want everyone to work for $0.12 an hour except for a couple of rich people...then lets keep stripping people of their collective bargaining rights.

Comment #25 - Posted by: Tony at April 24, 2011 9:24 AM

Musings await...

Comment #26 - Posted by: bingo at April 24, 2011 9:31 AM

@ bingo. look fwd to your musings always. Your line "treading water in the shallows between religion and faith" resonates, as does your noting that as a deeper faith took hold, religious trappings had less purchase. Interesting to ponder, on Easter, how JC was, well, not a favorite or fan of religious authorities. I do need spiritual guides, and a 'church' (or 'churches') of some sort. More interesting and challenging I think to seek community, spirituality, religiosity in everday life.


Comment #27 - Posted by: matt h - m49 | 5'11" | 185lb (and falling) at April 24, 2011 9:52 AM

just finished redoing 11.5 - rx'd except for 25lb ball. i got 7rds+1pc. t2b unbroken this time. thursday i got 6rds+2pc. i was hoping for 8 rounds, but i'll take any improvement!

Comment #28 - Posted by: aermio m/32/5'7"/150-155lbs at April 24, 2011 10:04 AM

Very interesting article. I worked at GM for seven years on the managerial side doing the classic cartoon clock in then fighting all day to get things done efficiently. This issue is not a Union problem or overpaid exec problem it was a team effort. Over time with the booms came deals and then when the lows came the deals were forced to be broken. I can assure you that the UAW folks that I worked with were good people with real families, there is no desire to lose work.

We can spend a great deal of time trying to lay blame or simply figure out how we can change. I choose to go against the grade and manufacture equipment in the US. I find good people that want to weld, grind, machine, cut, sew etc every day. It is time we begin to be the master of our own destiny.

It can be done and will be done


Comment #29 - Posted by: Bill Henniger at April 24, 2011 1:24 PM

@#19 bsn

Just finishing up "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. It has rocketed up my list of all time favorite books. Recommended reading for all CrossFitters.

Dave Castro is the man! A video with Dave that stayed with me was a cert staff wod video with legless rope climbs. All the others started using their legs after or during the first round except for Dave. That wod demonstrated a no quit attitude that few can emulate.

Comment #30 - Posted by: Ronnieboy at April 24, 2011 1:52 PM

Thank you Bingo!

Have you ever read M. Scott Peck's the Road Less Travelled?


Comment #31 - Posted by: Apolloswabbie 72.5 209 47yoa at April 24, 2011 2:54 PM

Love both articles. Though I saw the WSJ one the day it came out, the 'Force' one is both new and familiar at the same time. Having previously been employed in an ENT office, I completely sympathize with the doctor when he grouses about the mother saying things like, "He won't hurt you" and "the nice man". It all sounds great and perky out loud, but kids see right through that and it terrifies them even more, making it that much harder for the doctor to maintain the child's attention and compliance.

Comment #32 - Posted by: Elise at April 24, 2011 3:29 PM


Wow. we are in the same place. I have completely dumped "the church" yet have never been so completely connected. My faith is deeper than ever.

2 years ago I shared with the FR@ how my mother said she was disappointed in me for not raising my daughter "in The Church". That hurt and I felt guilt for not bringing my daughter up the way I had been.

My growth in the past 2 years has made me realize it was quite a blessing to not rear her with issues of guilt, sin, blame, damnation and hell.

Thanks for the thoughts :)

Comment #33 - Posted by: PonyGirl at April 24, 2011 4:05 PM

@Dave Castro in the video: Request clarity on the terms "pull-up" and "chin-up". From the Crossfit Box I've been going to, you were performing a "chin-up" not a "pull-up". The HQ FAQ does not make a distinction.

Crazy Games 2011 idea: Day-X Fran with palms out (pull-up), Day-Y Fran with palms in (chin-up). Would be neat to see how different the times are. This in addition to the CFT event at Games start & finish and the swim event. There will be a swim event? Is there also an event for people making annoying suggestions for what events to have (grin)?

Comment #34 - Posted by: Luke Mullen at April 24, 2011 4:12 PM

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.“

Comment #35 - Posted by: eze at April 24, 2011 4:19 PM

Bill, I admire your passion and I hope it makes you stinking rich to follow the path you are on. What I mean by that is the only way you can get stinking rich doing what you are doing is if you can use innovation and logistical brilliance to bring products people want to market at a price/quality curve that defeats all comers in a very competitive market. If you can do that, it is literally a gift to everyone involved in the transaction. You will become rich without ever lifting a finger to force anyone else to comply with your desire for money. Anyone who does not wish to work for you, or to buy from you, will not pay you a penny. Every penny that comes your way will come from someone who willingly gave you a penny's worth of profit for what they got from you.

That is freedom. We know people who died to defend freedom in the USA. You and CrossFit box owners and a million other business people are the engines of liberty. Without folks like you with the visions of what can be, workers are worthless. A worker able to be productive in companies like yours makes a life for themselves but also becomes part of the wealth creation engine of liberty.

The way to more success for more Americans, and more citizens of any nation, is economic liberty so that we can all choose with whom and under what terms to engage in buying and selling. With that and and property rights, wealth is generated.

I don't think Americans have any more right to 'the good life' than any person of any nationality, I'd like to see Rogue competitors in every nation with the best ones left standing. The real driver of wealth creation is liberty. More liberty, less govt, that will win the future.

Comment #36 - Posted by: Apolloswabbie 72.5 209 47yoa at April 24, 2011 4:27 PM

24 / M / 5'9" / 135lbs

I meant to Row 2k today, but I forgot about the holiday. I had to make due with home equipment.

For time:
35lb dumbbells sumo deadlift high pull, 200 reps



Comment #37 - Posted by: BC at April 24, 2011 5:39 PM

Holy Lord, I just realized the SDHP sub for rowing is with a 45lb bar, not 65lbs. I just did 200 of them with 70lbs worth of dumbbells; no wonder it was so horrible!

Comment #38 - Posted by: BC at April 24, 2011 5:46 PM

Active rest day:
57 burpees for my 100 day burpee challenge.

quick run in my neighborhood.. probably less than a mile.

Comment #39 - Posted by: Sarah (22/123/5'4") at April 24, 2011 6:47 PM

A really great author puts Ayn Rand's Objectivism in a nutshell:
-Facts are facts: things can be absolutely right or absolutely wrong, as determined by reason.
-According to my reasoning I am absolutely right
-Charity is immoral
-Pay for your own damned schools

Comment #40 - Posted by: mikes at April 25, 2011 1:49 PM

@Apolloswabbie, your apparent desire for a wild west economic systems scares me. Absolute freedom does require eternal vigilance. And since we have proven over and over again that we don't do the eternal vigilance thing well, then we need a system that allows for as much freedom as possible without the type of abuse that led to events like the mortgage meltdown.

Government regulations that set rules and boundaries for business without favoring any particular vendor is good for the nation. Not the collection of individuals that you apparent think is America, but for the collective nation. Every legal business in the country has a vested interest in having a country of consumers who believe that they will be treated fairly.

The Rogue economy is the black market, where if some one cheats you your only avenue is violence. I don't think many Americans want that as their economic system. Regulated capitalism is what we have had for most of our history. When the rules overly favor business over the consumer, then we get periods such as the gilded age and our current state of high income inequity where the rich are getting richer, the middle class is shrinking and the poor are either stagnant or getting poorer.

Comment #41 - Posted by: ArtElliot at April 25, 2011 2:23 PM

ArtElliot, I understand your fear, it's much more comfortable to believe that elected reps in govt are working to make things better for the average Joe, but there's little evidence to support that wish.

There's no black market without a govt criminalizing behaviors.

Govt has a critical function - defend the rights of individuals. Our govt fails this critical priority and offends liberty in many ways. Wild west? Not what I want, although it would be better than the systemic destruction of the present govt. I want rule of law and economic liberty.

Comment #42 - Posted by: Apolloswabbie 72.5 209 47yoa at April 25, 2011 3:18 PM
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