February 11, 2011

Friday 110211

Rest Day


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Adee Zukier and Joanne Schiffer.

"Developing the Behind-the-Neck Split Jerk With Coach B: Part 1" by Again Faster Equipment, CrossFit Journal preview video [wmv] [mov]

"Bringing CrossFit to Endurance Athletes" with T.J. Murphy and Brian Mackenzie by Again Faster Equipment, CrossFit Journal preview video [wmv] [mov]

The new CrossFit Risk Retention Group page.

The Home Gym with Keven Pauling, Peoria, Arizona - video [wmv] [mov]

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Piano Concerto No. 20 by Andras Schiff & Cappella Andrea Barca.

John Milton - When I Consider How My Light Is Spent.

"The Original Birth of Freedom" by Andre Glucksmann, City Journal.

Post thoughts to comments.

Posted by lauren at February 11, 2011 5:00 PM

Their backs are so rounded.

Comment #1 - Posted by: Matt at February 10, 2011 5:02 PM

Uh oh, skin is showing, prepare for the haters.

Comment #2 - Posted by: Ben at February 10, 2011 5:05 PM

<3 I LOVE Crossfit! =D

Comment #3 - Posted by: Erin at February 10, 2011 5:06 PM

Just called an affiliate that finally opened nearby.. Forging elite fitness. But at "elite" prices.. $120 a month for minimal equipment and some coaching?.. And they're only open when most people are at work. How about making it affordable for people that want to put food on their table AND pay their gas bill.. It's not like you have a lot of overhead.

Comment #4 - Posted by: miked at February 10, 2011 5:08 PM

Keven, that is a very well equipped garage gym you have. My favorite features are the pull-up bar, the urinal, and the flame covered fridge full of adult beverages.

There are very, very few things in this world with the power to motivate me to clean my garage, but your talking mule did the trick.

Great video! Keep them coming!

Comment #5 - Posted by: Pat Sherwood at February 10, 2011 5:13 PM

i love to see crossfit chicks doing awesome things like scaling a palm tree in their bathing suits b/c that is truly what us crossfitters do and I AM A CHICK! thanks HQ for keepin it real!

Comment #6 - Posted by: sarah at February 10, 2011 5:26 PM

Miked #4 I 100% agree with you. I have gone to all 5 of my affiliates nearby and done WODs, met the people and compared their total product vs price and it doesnt come close to panning out. How owners justify the price is with the "individual training, nutrition , and the CF experience." The cognitive dissonance is astounding, even though they are all decent people.

Bottom line, its an industry like anything else, where there is profit to be made, it will be capitalized on. In the same way we have seen that as the 250k purse was announced for CF 2k11 games, all sorts of new names are springing up.

FYI I noticed Greg Amundsons box is priced at $75. This is reasonable to me, but not the $150-200 that is charged here, that is nearly a scam. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason it cant be offered in the $75 range, I have gone over the figures with many box owners.

Comment #7 - Posted by: Bayonetwork at February 10, 2011 5:26 PM

feelin hot hot hot!

Comment #8 - Posted by: james d at February 10, 2011 5:27 PM

Nice Garage Gym Mr Pauling! Pat make sure you listen to what the Donkeys were telling you.


Comment #9 - Posted by: SANTI at February 10, 2011 5:27 PM

Not going to lie, that donkey scared the hell out of me! lol.

Comment #10 - Posted by: John D. at February 10, 2011 5:32 PM

I cannot BELIEVE how HQ is objectifying flora with this blatant tree porn! Shame on you! Cover that king palm up, THERE ARE CHILDREN WATCHING!

Comment #11 - Posted by: Some Dude at February 10, 2011 5:32 PM

Very Nice.

Comment #12 - Posted by: William T at February 10, 2011 5:37 PM

CrossFit RRG! Fantastic news!

Comment #13 - Posted by: spkchem m/43/6'2"/148 at February 10, 2011 5:38 PM

So, after my last comment regarding being the father of six daughters and not being entirely comfortable with some of the pictures lately, guess who was talking with me and looking at the site tonight? Yes, boys and girls, my almost 16 year old daughter, who said, "What the heck!"
So I may quit coming to CF HQ's page forever, since (as I posted before) my CF box's blog is more respectful.

Comment #14 - Posted by: Brian at February 10, 2011 5:38 PM

I'm currently writing a paper about that Milton poem. Pretty cool seeing it up.

Comment #15 - Posted by: Sweetheart at February 10, 2011 5:41 PM

talking about #17

Comment #16 - Posted by: vlad at February 10, 2011 5:42 PM

2:34 Grace after 120, 130, 145lbs on dip.

Ring Dips
400m Run barefoot

8:24 feeling good

Comment #17 - Posted by: Eckers 21/M/6'/187lbs at February 10, 2011 5:45 PM

that was 3x3 on dips sorry

Comment #18 - Posted by: Eckers 21/M/6'/187lbs at February 10, 2011 5:46 PM

@ miked

That is a pretty standard price actually. Consider if you spent $50 a month at a GloboGym and then paid a personal trainer $40 a session a few times a week.

$120 a month for a good affiliate is a bargain.

Comment #19 - Posted by: Daniel at February 10, 2011 5:47 PM


Awesome gym. Where did you get your mats in the garage?

Comment #20 - Posted by: Jim at February 10, 2011 5:52 PM

I am a female crossfitter! I know...yay me....I also go running, play basketball, and many other sports....including swimming....sooooo I see plenty of chicks in swim suits! It's not just on this site...chicks in swim suits are every where. Does your daughter freak out when looking at a JC Penny catalogue and she sees women and men in underwear and swim suits? Seriously, there are alot of "big deals" out there. This picture of two women in swim suits is NOT one of them! Don't let the picture take away from all of the other cool stuff that was posted right under it:) Try, you can do it!

Comment #21 - Posted by: rstarr at February 10, 2011 5:53 PM

To All Those Questioning Affiliate Prices:

Understandable that you may feel the price of membership at your local affiliate is too high. However, I think that you are failing to consider the overhead that CF affiliates DO have. Although you may walk into a Box and think, "this is pretty sparse. Only a couple of rings, some bars, bumper plates, pull up bars, and some boxes...", there is actually a lot more that goes into it. Keep in mind that renting a space, whether large or small, is not cheap. Many of the buildings chosen are warehouse-style, and those, surprisingly, carry a hefty rental price, and a utility bill (heating, ac, water, gas) that is out of this world. Also, probably most expensive, is the insurance that the affiliate owners must carry in case of an injury. Many states require different levels of insurance for "fitness facilities" which goes up with higher membership numbers. Also, if the Box offers actual personal training, they have to cover insurance for all of their trainers.

Anyways, I could go on-and-on, but for the sake of not taking up too much space, I won't. Also, last time I checked we lived in a country that liked capitalism (I know I do), and the purpose of most businesses is to make money, not go broke trying to provide you with inexpensive services. Just sayin...

Comment #22 - Posted by: Andy at February 10, 2011 5:56 PM

Very nice set up Keven.

Comment #23 - Posted by: Eric - CFNC at February 10, 2011 5:57 PM

Im one of the ones who don't like the female topless pictures and the dropped pants picture, but this one doesn't cross that line. It's appropriate to wear a bathing suit. I acutally laughed when I saw this and thought it was a cute picture. I think if people complain on this one it's because they're just looking for a reason to complain.

Comment #24 - Posted by: Halie at February 10, 2011 6:02 PM

Brian is obviously lying to get a response,

Comment #25 - Posted by: Corey Blankemeyer at February 10, 2011 6:08 PM

To all of you who dont enjoy the pics lately:

How dare you other all of us with your opinions that differ from what we have!?

You guys and your voicing your opinions and stuff! Thats whats really offensive. I like half naked chicks and you dont - where do you all get the gall to disagree???


Now thats sarcasm!

Comment #26 - Posted by: themuck at February 10, 2011 6:08 PM

Brian#17, quit teasing us and quit coming to the website already, your threats are starting to ring hollow.

Comment #27 - Posted by: DougR at February 10, 2011 6:09 PM

comment 33 - other should have said bother!

Comment #28 - Posted by: themuck at February 10, 2011 6:10 PM

Brian #17

Enough already. Goodbye. Geez.

Comment #29 - Posted by: turk at February 10, 2011 6:11 PM

wow, are we seriously arguing over two girls in a bathing suit? I'm 17 (f) and girls in swimsuits don't even phase me... especially when they're in an appropiate situation, like near a BEACH! (probably...could be wrong, doesn't really matter) I personally thought it was a cool pic. People, please grow up.

Nice home gym btw

Comment #30 - Posted by: Nikee 17/ f/130/5'6" at February 10, 2011 6:13 PM

Some of the girl photos were a little scandalous, but this one isn't that bad. Two girls having fun at the beach. I don't know why this photo is so bad. I wouldn't care if my daughter saw it. If anything, it's a positive spin on how women should look like....not like the Lohan/Hilton skinny cocaine addicts or models they see all the time in "Seventeen" magazine.

Comment #31 - Posted by: Amy at February 10, 2011 6:17 PM

I have a 7 and 5 year old daughter and I think it would be neat to have a picture like this of them, having fun, being active, and dressing appropriately for the beach.

Comment #32 - Posted by: C Bird M/27/5'10'/215 at February 10, 2011 6:26 PM

I have 57 daughters and 124 neices and 3/5 of them were offended. I'm never coming back to this site again until tomorrow night

Comment #33 - Posted by: Dan C at February 10, 2011 6:32 PM

I live in phoenix arizona and the prices of all the boxes are around 150, 50 dollars off to firefighters but that is still absolutely ridiculous, the price for that is incredible. wish they could lower the prices... my whole family and friends would love to be coached by a crossfit box. but simply cant afford it

Comment #34 - Posted by: Cody at February 10, 2011 6:43 PM

This picture is DISGUSTING....the palm tree is totally overgrown and those huts are so cliche....clean up your act CF

Comment #35 - Posted by: JP at February 10, 2011 6:45 PM

i pay 170/month and think it's ridiculous but unfortunately i dont have another option

Comment #36 - Posted by: RHSC at February 10, 2011 6:46 PM

Don't post often, but cannot resist... What is up with people... Why is the "human body" such a BIG issue for SOME OF YOU? Children or not GET OVER IT! I want my child to embrace his sexuality, not tame it to appease a bunch of hard up people. Sexuality is the very breath of our existence, and without it we are all ordinary, or, BORING. These woman are simply beauty and sexuality in its purest form =) For all the people who find this picture offensive, look inside yourselves and get to the core of your issues, for it is not about this picture... Maybe you like it and you feel guilty, or, possibly you're jealous of their beauty or how comfortable they are with themselves, young, and full of life! Either way it’s not about anybody but YOU…

Comment #37 - Posted by: Suzanne Traitz F/39yrs/5'4"/145lbs at February 10, 2011 7:00 PM

Well i agree that the topless ones might be a bit risque, that the pants one was deffinently a bit much. Rather unprofessional as far as that stuff goes, but for people to complain about a picture like this???? I mean really. Would u rather they wear burkas?????

Comment #38 - Posted by: CMoss at February 10, 2011 7:04 PM

america is one of the most - if not THE most - prolific producers and consumers of pornography. and you get some posters whining about a totally innocent picture of a couple chicks up a tree at the beach ? i wonder what skeletons these whiners have in their closets........

Comment #39 - Posted by: amazed at February 10, 2011 7:05 PM

I pay 150 a months and have for over three years. At first I considered it pricey and a bit steep after I globo gym'd for the previous 8 years at 39 a month. Now looking back I realize it's completely reasonable. I crossfit 6 - 7 days a week. That averages out to between 24-30 hours of quality coaching a month or 5 - 6 dollars per hour of coaching. So in my mind who is the real winner. I have achieved the best shape of my life. I have learned and continued to pursue the perfection of Gymnastics, Olympic Lifting, and Running. The gym owners gave me a spot at a level one certification coupled with tons of certifications and seminars in nutrition, Olympic lifting, pose running, and mobility. Also when you take into account the community effect created in a good gym 150 a month is nothing. Most of us could find five dollars a day to invest a little more wisely. Just my outlook on things as they stand now.

Comment #40 - Posted by: Chris S at February 10, 2011 7:07 PM

Hey #46...
Why would I be "upset" by this picture? Oh no, girls in bathing suits... gonna go cry now! Come on man, don't assume bathing suits are going to offend everyone the way they seem to offend you...

Comment #41 - Posted by: Krista at February 10, 2011 7:08 PM

Crossfit is small group personal training. At an average of 65.00 a session for personal training. I think that 150.00 a month is a steal.

Comment #42 - Posted by: milisa at February 10, 2011 7:09 PM

@ Brian #25
If I could spend $50 a month for a globo gym and $40 for a trainer at that gym I probably wouldn't be complaining about $120. But I can't afford either. I cringe when my $40 for my hole in the wall dump is due. I stand by my statement that it is an elitist attitude that has taken over this crossfit society. "Change the world one athlete at a time, but only if they can afford it." I just want to do the WOD's because they keep me in shape for my job. I have no desire to compete in the games, so I have to real need for the "nutritional" advice.. And I'll keep track of my own progress.. So can I knock off about $60-$70 the price?

Comment #43 - Posted by: miked at February 10, 2011 7:09 PM

150$ is not unreasonable if you go 5 times a week. 3 on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off. A local hot Yoga studio is 17$ per day if you pay for walk-in everyday...some people pay 60$+ per HOUR for some personal trainers. If you can't afford it build your own box at home at do it there, but there is a great deal you miss by doing it all alone, it's much better with a crowd.

Comment #44 - Posted by: ckatech at February 10, 2011 7:09 PM

#4 Where do you live? I wish our rates were that low. I live in Santa Barbara and the boxes are sadly priced proportionally to the cost of living here. We pay $150 a month.

#50 Were you doing your squats pant-less? Haha...

Comment #45 - Posted by: She-Ra F/26yrs/140lbs at February 10, 2011 7:14 PM

Why do I get the feeling all the guys that are shocked and appalled are waiting for their wife or mother to go to bed so they can break out the Crisco?

Comment #46 - Posted by: JohnAtl at February 10, 2011 7:15 PM

@miked and others that think going to a box is expensive. think about the trainers there, they gotta put food on their table too. if you think about it, going 3 times a week, or 13 times a month that comes out to 9.23 per session a trainer is making, and some may go more if they follow a 3on 1off 2on 1off kind of schedule. and yes there is overhead, every gym is different, but trainers gotta get paid, gotta keep the lights on and heat/water running, not to mention rent. its a business. something that they love and dedicate their lives to, to coach you and help improve your lives. it takes a special person to want to be a coach and dedicate his/her time and energy to keep a business running. Generally there is no other type of income at a gym, ie selling products etc. members pay for the membership and thats it.
Wouldnt you agree that sucking it up, getting your finances in order so you can have an experience of a lifetime be well worth it. Compare that to any regular personal trainer who might charge anywhere from $35-90 PER SESSION! $120/mo is a great deal. if you think otherwise then save up and build your own garage gym. we have seen great examples lately.
Anyways, it may not be for everyone, not trying to tell you how to spend your money, but understand that the quality training is worth it, plus the accountability, plus the nutrition plans, plus the camaraderie, plus the friendships. that, my friend is priceless

Comment #47 - Posted by: Mike M/27/6'0"/183 at February 10, 2011 7:15 PM

For those complaining about this picture, much less about anything that has to do with CF in general, please note the "X" in the top right corner of this screen and USE IT.

Oh and yes, some affiliates may be a little more expensive than what you want to pay, but if you think about it like you would shopping for groceries it's easy to justify. Spend more for nutritious, quality foods online/specialty stores/etc OR go to Walmart for crappy, pesticide soaked, hormone filled, no quality junk. The choice is simple; CF (& that it entails) or the $40/month globo gym. Take your pick. I've definitely made mine. :)

Comment #48 - Posted by: Mal at February 10, 2011 7:16 PM

I think I am in love!

Comment #49 - Posted by: shawn at February 10, 2011 7:16 PM

Found the urinal particularly offensive in the video. Only because I've used it a time or two.

Kev - you've taken the gym up to a work of art over these past few years - nicely done, sir. And, best of all, I know you use it often and well. Not too bad for an old guy.

Comment #50 - Posted by: John Tuitele at February 10, 2011 7:18 PM

Wow, this is hilarious...I mean really, 2 girls at the beach, climbing a tree...Even the topless pic, you see more in R rated movies nowdays. I missed the pantless one, anyone got a link...lmao. Seriously people there's nothing you wouldn't see at a beach. Anyways, I pay $94/m at my gym which offers Crossfit, Krav Maga, Muay Thai, BJJ, etc. I don't know where you all workout, but they're robbing you blind.

Comment #51 - Posted by: Jonathan at February 10, 2011 7:21 PM

The only way that 150$ per month would be a good deal, is if it was open 24/7 and you could go in at more or less any time, plus you could go to the "small group classes". Otherwise it's a rip off. But that's the way it works. They wanna make money off ya. I prefer doing stuff at home.

Comment #52 - Posted by: Sven at February 10, 2011 7:22 PM

Please... As a woman "CrossFitter"; I find most of the pics AMAZING! Maybe some are in better taste than others, but I have yet to have seen one I'd refer to as offensive! The palm tree pic=cute and most of the pics just show a visual representation of the beauty of the human body when you have achieved the ability to "Embrace the Suck", get off your a** (I used asterisks so as not to "offend" anyone btw), and reach your goals! Get a life-it's all about choices; if you don't like the pics, don't look at 'em... Problem solved! Have a great CF(SF) Day!

Comment #53 - Posted by: Lisa P at February 10, 2011 7:32 PM

I have to agree on the prices being a bit steep.

I've been checking local prices for about 6 months now, hoping some kind of bulk-time or contract discount will be offered.

At 100$+ a month, it definitely makes a huge dent in the average income.

So, I pay the lesser price and go to the crappy warehouse gym, no because I wouldn't rather be at a crossfit gym, but because it's prohibitively expensive.

Comment #54 - Posted by: Daniel at February 10, 2011 7:41 PM

Re: paying $150 a month for CF.

Never would do this in a million years. And to the argument that this is like personal training....c'mon - I've seen some of the trainers out there. The Level 1 is great, but in fairness, I know more about fitness (and Crossfit for that matter!) than many L1 trainers.

So why would I pay $150 a month for someone who knows less about CF to "teach" me CF?

Just sayin. That's why the Home Gym makes so much sense. That's what I did, and I have never looked back.

Comment #55 - Posted by: Mel/37m/5'10"/175 at February 10, 2011 7:47 PM

@Comment 66
Cool story bro.

@Comment 67
As long as you're putting the work in, it doesn't matter how much you pay. Just work your ass off and enjoy the benefits.

Comment #56 - Posted by: Jonathan at February 10, 2011 7:48 PM



Comment #57 - Posted by: Zach H. at February 10, 2011 7:51 PM

I've never posted on CF before but I was drawn into the conversation about the cost of CF gyms. I am extremely lucky that I belong to one that's 75 a month AND offers open gym. I enjoy most of the WODs posted, but some days I would prefer to do a different workout.. i.e. All strength, not afap or amrap workouts, or a fun workout that was posted in the past. I wish all CF gyms were this way. 75 bucks is perfect to keep the d-bags away that just enjoy looking at themselves in the mirror while they do the same curl exercises.

Comment #58 - Posted by: John at February 10, 2011 7:57 PM

I am so glad that a post has generated on paying the fees for crossfit gyms. I am a home gym guy personally, so I don't pay a dime (although I bought my equipment and I paid for my L1 Cert). But there seems to be a *slight* tension between Crossfit's unique commitment to community and the general practice of charging so much for gym membership. When I did my L1 Cert, I remember Pat S. saying that the one thing that imitators cannot reproduce in CF is the community, and that may be right. But if that is the case, and so many people of so many different socio-economic backgrounds benefit from CF, why not make it more affordable? Here's a suggestion:

I go to a chiropractor who charges on a 'pay as you see fit basis.' And I go to an acupuncturist who pays on a 'minimum suggested rate' for students, and others with a low income. Why not adopt a similar model for CF gyms? Let people pay what they think the service is worth instead of setting boundaries on what one's socio-economic status must be to be a true part of the 'CF community'?

FWIW, I am using my L1 Cert to train whoever will take my advice, and I'm not charging a dime. CF has changed my life and I love it. Why not spread the love? If, in the future, people want to pay me for the use of my equipment and their benefit of my time and knowledge, that's great. But I'm out to help people to live a better life and it's REALLY hard to put a price tag on that.

Again, thanks for bringing this up. I hope others take note of it.

Comment #59 - Posted by: Ben 5'5''/145/31 at February 10, 2011 7:57 PM

To all those complaining about price: A crossfit gym is a business designed to make money for the owners and employees. They must pay for equipment, affiliation fees, insurance, rent, heat, electricity etc.,

It is not a charity. If you don't like the prices don't go. If you really want to go save up your money.

Do you go to the grocery store and complain about the prices there? Do you complain about prices to concerts, sporting events etc.,

Maybe you do but you have a choice, either pay or don't go. It is not an elitist attitude it is just good business.

Comment #60 - Posted by: pat at February 10, 2011 7:58 PM

pat - you hit it on the head - only not in the way you might have thought. it is a business, it is a market-based economy, and if you can't incent (enough) folks to pay $150 a month...well, then, you have no business.

I understand that some feel compelled to pay this, and for them i say more power to you...but for me 2 grand a year for "community" is not in the budget.

Comment #61 - Posted by: Mel/37m/5'10"/175 at February 10, 2011 8:15 PM

#66, if your son is vomiting profusely, I can assure you it has nothing to do with a picture on a website. You should probably take him to the ER. That is all. Oh...p.s. the blonde's bathing suit is super cute :)

Comment #62 - Posted by: danirox (f/28/145/5'9") at February 10, 2011 8:26 PM

Charging prices that make the service available to only an 'elite' group of people who can afford them is the textbook definition of elitism.

Equally, we use equipment that rarely breaks and is cheap to begin with. The trainers are not generally educated beyond crossfit certifications. The gyms are low tech and unfurnished with any amenities.

I guess I'm curious why crossfit isn't the cheapest gym on the market, instead of the most expensive.

Comment #63 - Posted by: Daniel at February 10, 2011 8:27 PM

Also, I understand why the prices are so high, however I cannot really afford it either. So, I'll tell ya what I did... I saved up my pennies and got just enough equipment for me to be able to do just about every wod posted. The only thing I'm lacking is a place to hang the rope I bought. When I did the price comparison, in 2 years, my garage gym will have more than paid for itself, plus it's open when I WANT it to be open. WOOT! WOOT!

Comment #64 - Posted by: danirox (f/28/145/5'9") at February 10, 2011 8:33 PM

For all of the price complainers out there, would you have the pleasure of the hard sell fir a multi year globo gym membership where you have to fight for the proper space and equipment to do CF WODs, never meet anyone because they are tuned out with their iPod and deal with weird looks from the nautilus/elliptical crowd? Or pay a bit more for the space, equipment and coaching at an affiliate? if you are getting what you need from an affiliate, let them know. All of the affiliates that I have trained at a very enthusiastic to make a positive and rewarding CF experience.

Comment #65 - Posted by: Bryan K at February 10, 2011 8:36 PM

I will pay $150 a month for Greg to personally coach me every day, other than that you can keep it. If there were only some way to have a gym like that at my house, some sort of home gym that I have put together with makeshift GHD's and pullup bars hanging from doorways... if only.

This site has given me so many ways to improvise workouts its ridiculous. I have never been to a box myself and may not ever, but this wonderful site and even better journal has equipped me with the knowledge to know what fitness is and how to pursue it for the rest of my life.

Comment #66 - Posted by: patrick l bateman at February 10, 2011 8:38 PM

to all those who people complaining about the prices, you have to be kidding me!!!!, you know how much it cost the equipment it self, equipment that is gonna be trash for people like you that want everything for free, the time invest in planning the workouts so you don't get hurt plus all the expenses; apart from that as a coach you have to be constantly learning and investing money in education and you know how much that it cost; people is getting free coaching from the website and they dare to criticize the pics, videos and demos, get a grip, you get coaching, top class gear and nutritional advice for that price that it comes about $6 or $7 dollars per class, bet you don't complain when it comes to spend money in alcohol or food but when it comes to a quality service you want it for free, i bet you don't get paid $2 an hour MIKED do you?

Comment #67 - Posted by: fab at February 10, 2011 8:49 PM

If you think its too expensive why do you pay it?

The amount it 'costs' per month is very different as to how expensive it is..

If a CF affiliate delivers tremendous value to its clients through results, great facilities, community, extra events like competitions, out of the box trips etc... why can't they charge more?

I also understand some affiliates may not do the above mentioned things.. and therefore they are expensive at $150-200 per month.

There is so many bootcamp that charge around $200 a month (myself included - but we get great results and the ladies love it) all out doors with minimal over heads.

I believe a great affiliate who way over delivers to all of their clients should be around $300 per month!!

Plus, you'll attract people who VALUE your service, are more regular, will refer more and generally make it a better place to be!

CrossFit isn't for everyone, its for people who want to work for their results.. and that includes investing in your self, with a great box. That doesnt come for free.

Bring on the hate!!!

Comment #68 - Posted by: Dane at February 10, 2011 8:52 PM

Came here for one quick comment, but I'll chime in on the price thing. I've got a box just around the corner from me, but I've also got a gym and weight room at the high school where I teach. Much as I would like a proper CrossFit location with proper coaching and 100% appropriate equipment, it's just not in my budget and I can do every workout necessary that I can accomplish at the school.

As far as the real comment I wanted to make, all of you getting your shorts in a bunch over the two young ladies in swim suits? Where were you yesterday when Michelle Kinney was performing the hero WOD on video and essentially finishing it in her underwear? (Sorry Michelle) Why no uproar over that? Is it because she was being "functional" in her attire? Either stay up on that soapbox for all forms of what you would call "indecent" or get down and shut up!

Comment #69 - Posted by: Pat Overton at February 10, 2011 8:54 PM

#45 and anyone else moaning about monthly fees, you do have another option - put that money towards buying your own gear and fit out one hell of a garage gym (not all of us can compete with Kevin's but that's not the point, it is what you make it), and personally I'll go with grungy any day - because it's mine, it does the job, and they guys that keep coming back to train with me are what make it cool. start chanelling all the negative energy into your WODs people and enjoy CF again

Comment #70 - Posted by: Dean m/37/5'10/180 at February 10, 2011 8:54 PM

We are raising our rates to $175. PER MONTH it takes $1250 in rent, $50 for insurance, $50 for the site, schedular and card processing, $180 to the side for next years affiliate fees, $400 aside for city, state and fed taxes if we don't add more people. 4 owner/trainers who dont take a single dime out of the box and we still have to buy cleaning supplies, office supplies, toilet paper and replace/repair equipment on a monthly basis. You know how long a decent bar actualy lasts when it's pouned three WoDs a day 6 days a week? Not long. Yeah it's spendy to join but it's spendy to run too. Stay in the garage, that's where we started but you'll never be as fit, fast or strong as you could be if you were across from 4 other folks all trying to yell time before you.

Comment #71 - Posted by: Phil at February 10, 2011 9:04 PM

This debate about women in swimsuits up a tree is missing the main point and missing the real assets on open display. In Paleo society of yore, women were assigned the chore of gathering nuts (almonds mostly) from the tops of palm trees for their men. In order to better climb, these brave paleo females shod all unneeded weight, retaining only minimal amounts of clothing, to better perform this very functional task and hopefully achieve a new PR to boot. They certainly did this barefoot as well, in a clear commitment to a purer form of tree climbing.

This picture is a historical nod to that very necessary practice which has sadly waned over the decades, rendering females in our culture weaker - capable today of only retrieving a beer from the fridge for their man. Really quite an obvious demonstration of the superiority of this fitness approach and a rejection of our current culture of comfort.

It seems that the alternative would sound like something very close to the oft cited criticism of a bodybuilder's obsession with appearance.

Comment #72 - Posted by: John Tuitele at February 10, 2011 9:07 PM

Can someone tell me about cycling rest periods with the mainsite workouts. I was thinking about doing 3 weeks on one week off would this be okay to do with a 3 day on 1 day off type of cycle?

Comment #73 - Posted by: Mad sciencE at February 10, 2011 9:11 PM

#69- I think you should raise your rates... And then you can do your CF WODs by yourself on a street corner after you look them up at a public library because you'll be homeless. If it's so expensive to run a gym, why do it? Someone call the waaahh-mbulance. I doubt you started a gym bc you wanted to "change peoples lives". You dd it bc it's a hobby you enjoy doing and you can MAKE $. Eventually supply and demand won't be meeting each other anywhere in the middle and the weight supplystores will make bank bc everyone will be making their own gym.

Comment #74 - Posted by: John at February 10, 2011 9:22 PM

Mmmmmm... I luuuuuuuv them Canadian chicks.

Comment #75 - Posted by: jmon at February 10, 2011 9:24 PM

My local box is $120 a month with student discount, and honestly, it's AMAZING. Unlimited usage, unlimited classes. Doesn't get any better.

Growing up all I heard(and still hear) is how expensive running a small business can be from my parents. While I wish I could pay half of what I pay its not reasonable.

If you cannot justify paying the money then continue to CrossFit how most people started, break down CF to the core and work your way back up purchasing equipment with the money you would be willing to spend monthly.

Or hey, $120 a month and its all free ;)

Comment #76 - Posted by: Christian at February 10, 2011 9:33 PM

and, "Brian"... really?

Comment #1 says it all.

Comment #77 - Posted by: Christian at February 10, 2011 9:36 PM

#2 excuse me... haha

Comment #78 - Posted by: Christian at February 10, 2011 9:36 PM


If you're having such an issue with bars, why not just pony up the cash on the front end for a really nice bar (i.e., Werksan, Eleiko, etc.) that you know will last or get something like the Rogue bar that has a lifetime warranty? I've seen some 15+ year old Eleikos that saw heavy, heavy use 5-6 days a week and are still in great shape. If you're having to run out and buy bars on a regular basis, you're either making poor equipment decisions and/or need to teach your clients how to drop the bar in a controlled manner.

Comment #79 - Posted by: Joe at February 10, 2011 9:46 PM

The picture of the girl's in the tree Is the best motivator for the weekend EVER :-)
Have a nice one and stay fit folk's


Comment #80 - Posted by: john J at February 10, 2011 9:52 PM

#69 Phil

If you use a _decent_ bar for three workouts per day it sure as hell is supposed to last pretty long. That is multiple years. Otherwise you aren't using it correctly. Dropping with non bumpers or without securing plates. Or just plainly misusing it in some other way...

If you have three classes per day, six days a week, and you have 6 trainees in each group, then you will have 430 sessions that needs to be paid for by the trainees. If you charge them 6$ per session (150$ per month) you will have +2600$ every month. If the expenses are 1250$ + 50$ + 50$ + 400$ +180$ = -1930$ every month. With this setup you should have something like 670$ each month to split up between the owners/coaches or investing in the business. This is something like 9$ for every workout (and no money to invest).

This isn't very productive. I think you should have more classes every day. It seems to me that you have 3 hours of up-time avery day, and 21 hours of down-time. And you and your clients have to pay for the equipment and rent for all the down-time.

Why would you need four employees to share the collective load of working three hours per day? That makes no sense at all.

Comment #81 - Posted by: sven at February 10, 2011 9:54 PM

#71 ~ Read #68, people will pay for quality and rates can also provide a filter to keep out the less motivated or entitled. Our members love what we do and I love flipping on the lights at 6am every morning in my own box. Don't hate because you cannot say and do the same. #76 - We started in the park with cheap bars and are now replacing with Rogue as we go, high quality stuff which not surprisingly costs a lot. Thanks~

Comment #82 - Posted by: Phil at February 10, 2011 10:11 PM

Hi I live in Norway and I'm not use to girls in bikini in palm tree IN febrary So it,s make me take as follow push uos 30 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x10 within 11 min :-)

Comment #83 - Posted by: John J at February 10, 2011 10:12 PM

I have never paid more for a gym in my life. $50 a month was my previous high, and I found that expensive. Now I pay $150 for a crossfit gym and all of a sudden my membership seems cheap.

I have made more progress through crossfit in one year than I had in 20 years of regular gyms (and those weren't free). So for me, the price is completely worth it.

And don't forget this is a different business model than regular gyms. They just try to sign as many people as possible to multi-year contracts, knowing full well 90% won't show up after a month. That's how they keep the prices low! If everyone showed up who was paying, you'd never get to touch the equipment.

At the box I go to there are no contracts, and if you don't show up for awhile, they call you and find out why.

Also, crossfit wouldn't work with 100 people in a class. Most gyms can't support that size and it wouldn't benefit the members either. So less people at a little more money is a win win for both.

Not to mention in my 20 years of going to globo gyms, not once did I ever make a friend. Okay, partly my fault, but it's just wasn't that kind of environment. And probably only a handful of times in 20 years did I ever see a trainer giving advice or tips to people working out improperly. Unless you were paying for sessions, they didn't give a crap about you. Now not only have I met dozens of people, but everyone and everyone is willing to help out and offer advice when needed.

If you can build your own gym and motivate yourself at home, more power to you. But for many others, if you just gave it a try for a few months, my guess is it'll be well worth the price.

Comment #84 - Posted by: Dude at February 10, 2011 11:05 PM

For anyone that doesn't like the fees of affiliates then don't go to one, crossfit main page offers free wods for you to follow everyday. If you feel like you need coaching on specific aspects of crossfit such as Olympic lifts or gymnastic skills then suck it up and pay for the coaching of a subject matter expert.

Crossfit is one of the most accessible fitness resources out there a d a majority of it is totally free, there is online coaching in the form of videos and forums etc. Seriously complaining about affiliate fees is dumb, they don't come to your work place and ask you to take a pay cut, what gives you the right to expect that of them?

Simply put you have all of the tools here to coach yourself and if you want more you should expect to have to pay for it.

Comment #85 - Posted by: Brian R at February 10, 2011 11:11 PM

Complaining about prices? Please.

Its not a box's job to justify their pricing to you. You pay for access. You pay for classes and instruction. You pay for the fact that you don't have to buy equipment, store it etc. You pay for convenience. CF Main site gives you the template for your workout for free and I think this tends to create a sense of entitlement that the "community" should be open source as well. "Whats mine is yours" doesn't work when you have specialty equipment. Globo gyms don't carry bumper plates, kettle bells, climbing ropes, rings, tires etc. So that makes that type of equipment "premium" and specialty. You pay for premium.

As for everyone talking about "ALLLLLLL" the people complaining about today's pic....um...no one really was. No multitudes of "haters" today folks so keep your proverbial shorts on.

Comment #86 - Posted by: Nate at February 10, 2011 11:53 PM

As someone who currently pays 39 a month for a 24 hr fitness membership, I can only assume that the 150 a month for a crossfit gym is totally worth it. If anything, I could avoid the horrible crowd, stupid machines, and a-holes walking on treadmills thinking they are getting a workout. I can't afford it, but I don't complain. I make it work. I have access to this FREE site that crossfit has so graciously provided for me, and I adapt. One day I'll have the funds to afford it, but until then, I'm still working out. The people that own those gyms have families, mortgages, bills, and have embarked on a career to get you in shape. It's not like any of them are getting rich doing it. I see it as totally reasonable and blame the globo-gyms for making their fake fitness seem so much more "affordable" than a crossfit affiliate. Think about it, does that 150 a month provide you with a better workout and overall fitness than globo? When was the last time you were pushed or coached by the snobby out of shape trainers at 24 hour fitness? So I think the complaining is a little unjustified, and either learn to make some financial cuts in your life to afford it, if it's that important to you, or make do with what you can afford. I think you will get what you pay for.

Comment #87 - Posted by: Shaw at February 11, 2011 12:16 AM

I must admit that I like having the option of "Enlarge Image".

Comment #88 - Posted by: mustangldo at February 11, 2011 12:25 AM

If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?
That one.

Comment #89 - Posted by: yogi at February 11, 2011 12:39 AM

It is really annoying that the comment numbers are always messed up!!

Comment #90 - Posted by: James at February 11, 2011 1:46 AM

Easy Yogi, the one they are climbing.

Comment #91 - Posted by: Crossfitrook at February 11, 2011 2:23 AM

people...stop bitching...

can anyone tell me where else you can pay 150-$200 a month, to practice Olympic weightlifting and gymnastics...dump weights, listen to music, and train hard???

Comment #92 - Posted by: Matt S at February 11, 2011 3:47 AM

ummmm, this is just silly now. The people complaining about the picture are far outnumbered by the people complaining about the complainers.

Really, people, are we just bored and looking for something to post about.

I suppose i am guilty as well.

By the way, some of the "picture complainers" are so ridiculous, they are obviously just trolling or being overly sarcastic.

Comment #93 - Posted by: sixer m/34/5'9"/160 at February 11, 2011 3:56 AM

I can't believe people are complaining about the price. I checked into Crossfit Tacoma, spoke with the owner for a while, and was very impressed with what he offered and the price he offered it at. He offers all of the equipment required, plenty of space, daily workouts complete with warmups and personal coaching (ie. personal trainer), and on the weekends often has special clinics by nutritionists, physical therapists, etc. All this for approx $120 a month. He even invited me in to do a WOD and experience the atmosphere before I paid for a membership. The only thing that stopped me was, I was there right before the start of a WOD and, as I was walking out, I noticed one of the guys sneer and heard him comment, "He couldn't hang anyway." Now, I take pride in my fitness level. I'm not a small guy: 6'3", 215 lbs. I'm an avid runner, cyclist, swimmer, and have been crossfitting for two years. Before crossfit, I lifted. I've been in and around gyms for a long time and am not bragging or exaggerating when I say I'm in better shape than most. When I heard this d-bag say this, it completely turned me off to the crossfit community. I have since been doing what I always did: pulling WODs from the mainsite, watching all the videos possible on both mainsite and journal, and educating myself, all free of charge. All said and done, the services he offered for the price he charged would have been totally worth it. However, working out with a bunch of d-bags that are full of themselves, totally not.

Comment #94 - Posted by: Matt at February 11, 2011 4:05 AM


#20 the mats come form a local tack and feed store they are stall mats for horses. If anyone else is interested in outfitting their garages shoot me an email with questions. I'll share all i know about it. Remember the garage is where it all started. Its been a 4 year long project with many more years to come. Craigslist and the news paper will be your best friends.

ps. 0$ a month.


Comment #95 - Posted by: kevenator at February 11, 2011 4:19 AM

7 weeks after bi-lateral lumbar fusion...I scaled "whitman"
4 rounds - bike 1 min - 10 x 55# cleans, 10 x 35# DB swings, 10 x 14" box jumps
Finished up with 15-20 reps of scheduled PT exercises and stretches. I think I can run a mile on Monday.

Comment #96 - Posted by: stick at February 11, 2011 4:37 AM

To all those complaining about pricing at the local box - Have any of you approached the owner about a reduced rate? I have worked out at 3 different locations and every one of them has been receptive to offering a reduced rate when I explained my situation.

Comment #97 - Posted by: CC at February 11, 2011 5:08 AM

TO Sven, #81. We run only 3 classes because all the owner/coaches work full time jobs outside the gym. We run one 6:30 session before work, a noon class on lunch breaks and then an evening session plus a session on Saturday with some open gym time. Your math is right and we do put the revenue back into the gym every moth. If it was our real job it would be a different model, but we do it because we love to and we love our people!

Comment #98 - Posted by: Phil at February 11, 2011 5:15 AM

My current 'Box' charges $340 a month for the ability to sign-up for one of the 3 am classes that are available 5 days a week.

Not looking for new friends, nutritional advice, motivation, or coaching, just a place to go and get my workout in with a buddy or two. Why isn't there a base price and if you need friends, advice, coaching and motivation you can pay extra?

Comment #99 - Posted by: Mike at February 11, 2011 5:17 AM

I love my box and happily fork over the $180 a month to work out almost every day with great personal attention and great results. I live in an area where high end globo gyms cost the same, trainers cost $80 an hour etc. I am also a business owner and believe in America and capitalism. If it can be done better and cheaper it will be done. If you believe a box can be run well and make money and charge members half of the guy who is running one now- go do it. Get a SBA loan and open a box, put your own money in an go partners with a good trainer, get your certification etc. etc. Compete with the box that you think is gouging its members and go make the $$$$.

Not complaining about the complainers, just my 2 cents. God bless America

Comment #100 - Posted by: Christine at February 11, 2011 5:24 AM

Murph as rx'd 32:50
Pullups weren't bad
Pushups were slightly harder
Squats were absolutely nasty
First run was about 7 min and included running down 6 flights of stairs
Last run included running/limping up 6 flights of stairs

Comment #101 - Posted by: Chris B. 18/150/5'7" at February 11, 2011 6:08 AM

Phil- you should just quit. If you love your people so much, then offer the workouts for free... "No", you say? You want to make money? Well it seems like too much of a hassle for you and if I knew which gym was yours, I'd for sure never attend. You are clearly putting too much on your plate and trying to claim its bc you love people. Bottom line is you have a poor business model, you don't have enough clients, you charge too much, and you know it's going to all come to an abrupt end. You also know you'll look like a failure. But don't worry, when you do, I'm sure all of the people that you love will just pay you just bc you offered them a wonderful experience at your lackadaisical "gym".

Comment #102 - Posted by: John at February 11, 2011 6:12 AM

i think we're not getting anywhere because we're not addressing the real offense. it's very obvious that they're taking offense becuase the girls are pretty not because of what they're wearing or not wearin. if pics would just include some uglies, say at least to balance it to a 1:1 ratio all would be well and balance would finally be brought back to the force.

Comment #103 - Posted by: eat the worm at February 11, 2011 6:25 AM


Love your post yogi.

Also, for the people discussing the prices for Crossfit gyms; me personally, I don't think they are over-priced when it comes to what you get out of it. But on the other hand, there's no way in hell I would pay that much a month. Instead, I will pay my $39 a month for a local gym here in town, pay my $20 per YEAR for the crossfit journal, and access the FREE crossfit.com website, invest a few bucks every now in then in my own personal equipment that i can leave in my locker at the gym, and push myself like no bodies business.
Also, I don't need someone yelling at me to get me motivated and pushed. I wake up everyday, look at myself in the mirror and look at what I want different on my body, what needs more work, then i think about my brother who was injured in Iraq a few years ago. Who to this day still lives in pain from his injuries.

But that's just me.

To each his own.


Comment #104 - Posted by: Chach at February 11, 2011 6:39 AM

My CF Box costs me NOTHING, but I make in investment in myself, my friends, my quality of life every month to the tune of $150 Bucks! If I miss a WOD I get a phone call asking if everything is alright. When I needed help moving, the CF crew showed up...and yes they did it FOR TIME! I have friends with bonds that I have only forged (Yes, we do Forge Elite Friendships!)before from those I spent time in the military with.
If you'd like to see what what it has actually cost me...I cut out my cable/internet at home. The byproduct being my girlfriend and I have movie night, play board games, do puzzles and are closer. We shaved a few diners out, I do more cooking at home which means we are eating healthier and CHEAPER!
Not only do I pay every month, I ask whatelse I can do for MY GYM! I'll empty trash, mop floors, clean bathrooms I realize not everyone is willing to make the sacrifices, but that doesn't give you any reason to hop on a soapbox and whine. Do you avoid putting higher octane gas in your car because of the cost? Are you ok with bineg whatever lower quality food you can find because it's cheaper? If so, then that's YOUR choice!
Bar and Bumper Plates $469
2 Pood Kettlebell $60
My CF Box Effing Priceless!

Comment #105 - Posted by: Adam at February 11, 2011 6:48 AM

I just don't get how people even compare affiliate fees to regular gym memberships. The difference is astounding. Try doing Crossfit workouts on your own for a while and look at how much slower you move, how much less work you get done...how often you quit! Now give it a real price comparison and add up how much LESS you're spending vs a personal trainer. It's maybe a quarter of the price. In my opinion, affiliate fees are the best bargain in the "fitness" industry. CF trainers push you to do your best, stretch your limits, coach you on nutrition and rest, sometimes even hold your kid for you while you're trying to sweat out the last round of a WOD. I suspect most of the people complaining have never actually stepped foot in a Crossfit affiliate.
Lastly, just for the record, I'm a member at an affiliate not an owner.

Comment #106 - Posted by: Rick at February 11, 2011 6:49 AM

@ Cody #34,

I don't know where you are in Phoenix but if you are are close enough I recommend SHC Crossfit (shccrossfit.com). $75 a month. They aren't the biggest box in Phoenix (which is actually kinda nice) and you can't argue about the price. Plus they are all good guys there.

Comment #107 - Posted by: Kyle at February 11, 2011 6:53 AM

I'm a pretty big fan of this picture and all the other pictures of CF women. Keep it up.
Thumbs up for building your own garage gym. Tax return money and Nuerafitness.com will go a long way toward that. Then you can recruit all the hot women in your neighborhood to come do CF in your garage.
Personally, I vote less Youtube style commentary and more pictures of scantily clad women.

Special Forces Prep and Conditioning
-Be a 'effin athlete

Comment #108 - Posted by: sillyrabbit0420 at February 11, 2011 7:07 AM

I'm a husband and a father, and when I lost my job two years ago I was pretty upset I could no longer afford the $150/mo, for a while they let me drop in for $15 a session when I could afford it, and I would WOD at home or wherever I could do it for free. After about 2 months of that they told me they "needed more of a commitment out of me" and no longer let me go the single session route. I was committed to Crossfit, just couldn't afford it at the time. That ruined my relationship with that box. I have since rebounded and built a pretty sweet garage gym, but miss the group. Long winded, but the point is that box is very anti globo gym, then pulled a nice globo gym move on me. Will be joining a new box once the hockey season is over, can't wait!

Comment #109 - Posted by: John M at February 11, 2011 7:25 AM

I own a gym, and when people ask me how much it is I tell them $125 a month. I then will tell them that I never want money to be the sole reason they cannot come. I have members paying anywhere from cleaning my floors every Sunday night to full price. I ask that they are honest with me and pay what they can and what is fair to them. I have found that those that can afford it pay and those that cannot give what they can. I feel very lucky to have been introduced to CrossFit and hope that those I coach can enjoy a similar experience. Coach had a video I saw awhile back that talked about haveing those that can afford it help pay for those that cannot and I have seen it work in my world.

Comment #110 - Posted by: Thaddues at February 11, 2011 7:48 AM

@sixer - You're right. There have not been that many posts complaining about today's pic. When I made my post I guess I thought there had been more and more were to come. I guess this one hasn't gotten the complainers as riled up as usual, or maybe they've been true to their word and taken off. Either way, glad to see so few this time.

Comment #111 - Posted by: Pat Overton at February 11, 2011 7:54 AM

Just some thoughts since I have seen this pop up several times over the years...

We live in a free country. No one is forced to pay $120/month for CrossFit, but a) many choose to and b) no one should have to defend what they do with thier money to anyone else. It is a choice and people spend their money on what they value.

If you do not think your affiliates are worth the money, then don't join. It is that simple. Better yet, if you think that you can provide the same quality of service for $75/month, then go to your Level 1, come up with your start-up costs (easily $10-$25K), and figure up your fixed and variable costs. Then run a break even analysis and figure out how to cover all of your costs (i.e. # of members/month at $75/head). Then figure out what your time and effort is worth. So can you put bread on your table and run an affiliate for $75/month? If so, then great. Go do it. If not, shut up and let people do whatever they want to with their money.

Comment #112 - Posted by: Mike Honcho M/32/5'10"/180 at February 11, 2011 7:55 AM

Picked and tweaked this one from December 26 2005

5mins Sandbag Getups @62lbs
15Xea Turkish getups @25lbs KB

50X Lunges @62lbs sandbag on either shoulder
50X Air squats, ass to medecine ball
25X Back ext
10X GHD situps

Forgot to time it, maybe 40some mins for the whole package.

the weighted lunges were a killer

Kandahar, 'Stan

Comment #113 - Posted by: Philippe Brevard at February 11, 2011 7:58 AM

@Matt #94. That comment would motivate me to join and I would make it a point to become a better athlete and member of the box than he. Competition is a good thing and might be able to humble the d-bag some.

Comment #114 - Posted by: Danny at February 11, 2011 7:59 AM

#98 Phil

Yeah I kinda get that. But if you run the gym on a part-time basis you really can't expect to get payed for a full-time gig.

I don't see why you would need to make more money with this gym. Since you have another source of income. If you wanna make money from it, one of you should committ to it full time. Or I guess you could hire a coach so that you could have more classes every day without the need for 175$ fees.

It also seems to me like you have a pretty high cost for rent. Is it a big place?

As for me I workout mostly at home, and also at a powerlifting/olympic lifting club. This is a great place. The cost is something like 3$ for each time I go there. And I go there 1-2 times a week. Limited hours it's open though. Something like 6 people can do squats or cleans at the same time. Lots of bumber plates. Just drop it from overhead no problem. Also they have pullup bar and kettlebells and lots of dumbells. No C2, ghd or rings though. Otherwise I would workout even more at this place.

I also go to a small gym (wrestlers gym) where there is not room for more than 2-3 peaple at the same time. But it's dirt cheap and I am mostly there by my self at the hours when I workout. At this place there are no kettlebells or rings. But there is a rower. Not a C2 but something similar. I can do cleans, snatches and pullups here. If I want to swing I have to use a dumbell. This place cost me 100$ per year. And I go there 2-3 times a week.

At home I have a 1.5lbs kettlebell and a pullup bar (too low for kipping). I also have a basketball filled with sand for wall balls. A barbell with 85lbs. Homemade rings that I at least can practice transitions for muscleups on.

This works for me. I can't do all mainsite wods, but I'm pretty creative and have no problem making up my own workouts.

Comment #115 - Posted by: sven at February 11, 2011 8:01 AM

I just ponied up my $199 for another month at Crossfit NYC. I started in late October 2010.

Total cost so far $747 (Elements Class plus three months membership).

Weight Lost: 40 lbs

Yesterday I did 105 box jumps when in December I couldn't do more than 12. My blood pressure is perfect, my feet no longer swell and my caffeine intake is about 20% of what it was in October.

How much is all of the above worth to me and my family? A hell of a lot more than $747 I can assure you.

Cost of my previous Globo gym: $10 / month. Value of my experience there? $0

Skill day today - hit a 3-rep max PR front squat (200 lbs)

'nuff said...

Enjoy your weekend people. -Peace...


Comment #116 - Posted by: Reis Baron at February 11, 2011 8:05 AM

^^well then what's the point of owning a business, even if it's part time? Pretty sure it is to make a living, or at least break even. He has to pay utilities, rent, purchase equipment, pay the crossfit affiliate fee, renew certification. Are you actually asking him to open up a gym as a favor for those who go there? If it's his gym, he can charge/make whatever the hell he wants to. Seeing as how it's a free country, you can choose not to pay.

Comment #117 - Posted by: Shaw at February 11, 2011 8:10 AM

THAT'S a home gym!? Dang, Keven, I'm feeling a little inadequate. My next project in the basement gym: a urinal. Just don't tell the wife.

To those complaining about the price of affiliates:
1. You can vote with your $ - don't go. Complaining is not necessary.
2. If you work out alone (in a home or globo), I guarantee you that you would work out harder in a group. So save your money but sacrifice some intensity.
3. Let's not forget that this website is FREE

The group/community aspects of CrossFit can't be beat. My wife recently asked "What is it about CrossFit that's so addictive!? I can't stop reading about it and talking about it!" She's actually upping her time at CF Raleigh, despite the fact that we have a sweet home gym (hey, it was on mainpage on Feb 3rd, it must be good…just not as sweet at Keven's!) - that's how important community is. I always look forward to group WODs the most, because they are the most fun and push me the hardest, and am happy to pay a little extra dough to get it. Before the opening of CF Raleigh, I could get that for free by arranging a workout with friends, but at best the schedules would align only once every two or three months. Now I can go to CF Raleigh and get the group experience (not to mention attentive coaching to movement faults) whenever time and finances permit.

In summary: there's a place for both home gyms and affiliates, and just because you favor one doesn't mean that the other isn't of value. I can't imagine somebody who WODs at an affiliate not having some basic equipment or pursuing WODs on their own occasionally, and I attest that home-gymers would probably benefit from some affiliate exposure.


Comment #118 - Posted by: Ian (aka Mo) 39/5'8"/165 at February 11, 2011 8:32 AM

A quick breakdown of the available comments (1-94) at 1115 EST shows nearly equal comments on the picture and the cost of CF gym membership.

Regarding the picture, the comments show:

* A disturbing mosaic of vehement group think.
**In the first 15 comments, 5 comments were directed at "picture complainers," starting w/ comment 2. In the same 15 comments, there was only one complainer---that DIDN'T POST UNTIL #16. The anti-complainers were ahead 5-0 before a complaint was even registered.
**In the 94 comments available at the time, 24 were anti-complainer. 2 were "picture complainers," #'s 14 and 86. Through 94 comments, it was 24-2, anti-complainers.
**Vehement group think is evidenced by the overwhelming number of anti-complainer posts.
**Stronger evidence of that is the quick emotional nature of the anti-complainer responses, some of which clearly did not read the previous posts:
# 72--"this debate is missing the point"..."debate"...
# 48--"for those complaining"....those 2?
# 39--"some posters are whining"...some = 2?
# 37--who, strangely, wants her child to "embrace his sexuality"...

The 24 anti-complainer posts likely are knee-jerks to the previous 4 or 5 pix that generated huge numbers of respective comments.

But it's that emotional, knee-jerk response that is the most dangerous aspect of "group think." The blind following, absent any critical thought--or reading--about an issue, ultimately dooms any organization: a State, a regime, a business, a family. Stagnation = death. See: Sparta, dinosaurs, and Hoznai Mubarek.

Not sure if today's posts point to the presence of internal decay to some extent, to a "cult-like" following evinced among some members, or ....and this is most likely....simple trolling by the repeated posting of pictures that once were controversial, but now clearly (24-2) are simply emotional aiming points.

Re: the CF gym membership cost issue, the number of pro/anti comments are almost equal. However, almost 1/2 of the pro-cost comments also display evidence of emotional "group think." This comes across most strongly in comments to "open your own gym," "go back to a Globo," and "stop bitching."

Pictures won't lead to a massive downfall, but group-think reactions to membership costs, in combination with group-think reactions to other substantive issues, very well could.

A solution to the cost discussion is transparency---if an affiliate owner could run the hypothetical numbers in this forum, or post a link to a hypothetical pie-chart, ppl shld start to understand where the money is going.

Fwiw---is anyone complaining about $2.50 for a Starbucks cup of coffee? And that's taking it black, not a pricey specialty drink. Where does the $2.00 above the $.50 cents the coffee actually costs to make go?

Peace, love, and .50cal's. Out here.

Comment #119 - Posted by: pb at February 11, 2011 8:41 AM


That's ridiculous. I love when some of these SOBs talk smack then you see them the next day doing broomstick OHS cause that's all they can do. No offense to those who can't (I'm guilty) but my point is why talk smack when you've probably got a lot to work on yourself? They also need to ask themselves how they got to their perceived level of fitness in the first place...they didn't just walk into the gym and start busting out 2min Frans when they first started now did they? I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. Unfortunately, there's always a few d-bags around....even in the Crossfit community.

Comment #120 - Posted by: Kyle at February 11, 2011 8:56 AM

i luv the pics of the girls... free day today... ooo yea ooo yea

Comment #121 - Posted by: Main0 at February 11, 2011 9:19 AM

I am OFFENDED by that picture. I am a nudist and so I find the fact that they are wearing swimsuits deeply offensive to my bare skin loving mentality. Everyone MUST think like me. Everyone MUST have the same moral values and make the same judgements as me. It isn't the law yet, but it should be. The old saying "different strokes for different folks" doesn't apply to anything that offends me.

Comment #122 - Posted by: Mr Nudeypants at February 11, 2011 9:30 AM

#119 pb

Good post!

Comment #123 - Posted by: sven at February 11, 2011 9:37 AM

re: Keven's gym
I've been working out there for several years now with a great bunch of athletes. It's been amazing watching so many improvements in everyone daily. The comradery and support shown for all is right up there with the best of CrossFit affiliates and yes I do attend other affiliates for comparison. I would enjoy meeting more like minded athletes interested in a good workout with great coaches. If you are in the area, why not stop by?

Comment #124 - Posted by: James at February 11, 2011 9:40 AM

Those of you who are willing to pay the high price 1) have it in the budget to do so (and are likely single or w/o kids or dad pays), 2) have not done a level 1 cert or done enough research/training to know the training offered at CF gyms is not that high a level, 3) need to have a community to motivate you 4) believe the results you have obtained are only possible by this method.

The YMCA here is $10 for me (low income FT student/FT work). It is MULTI purpose so I can swim, run, yoga, crossfit, climb, play basketball, racquetball, sauna, shower, and be apart of a great community and be motivated by the 10min in b/t sets cant get enough of my shaved n tanned muscles in the mirror lamers.

Like I said, if one person (Greg) can do it for $75 and hes been around these parts for a WHILE, then others can to.

It is capitalism, yes, and the owners/trainers need to eat too...but the 5 CF gym owners around here are taking home a pretty penny that's all Ill say, Ive seen the figures.

Comment #125 - Posted by: Bayonetwork at February 11, 2011 10:25 AM

Crossfit ACT does Wittman


Comment #126 - Posted by: Roy at February 11, 2011 10:30 AM

just want to add a reason why some boxes seem to charge alot in comparision to some "fancy" globo gyms.

most globo gyms operate on the business model that 80% of their members will never show up, so can charge a "reasonable" fee to everyone as they in some cases have over 7,000 members.

crossfit boxes operate on the business model that most members will train at least 3 times per week. this means they have a hell of alot fewer members and so have got to make up their income in higher membership fees.

also most boxes have no secondary income stream, no spa treatments to charge members for, no personal training as members are getting coached in WODS etc.

just something to think about when thinking you are being charged too much

Comment #127 - Posted by: rob at February 11, 2011 10:30 AM

Also, in response to the pictures...they are not inappropriate in and of themselves and people have the right to look away but it is the attitude of HQ that gets me. If these pics have initially sparked controversy then continually posting more fleshy pics at an increased rate only makes HQ look somewhat perverse.

Comment #128 - Posted by: Bayonetwork at February 11, 2011 10:32 AM

I have been doing crossfit for 3 years now in my back yard. I can't afford the $190/mo for a box, but I don't need one. I built all my own equipment (pullup bar, kettle bells, etc...) and have had no trouble pushing myself.

Some people need motivation to get through wods, others don't. I think it comes down to will power. Ultimately it's you vs. the clock, some one yelling at you doesn't change that.

You get out what you put in. $190 a month doesn't change that either.

Comment #129 - Posted by: Ryan at February 11, 2011 11:08 AM

Question why scantily clad women are on site = villified.

Question why people are no longer part of CrossFit = villified

Support the generally accepted opinion = Supported

ah well, haven't been here in over a year...good to see some consistency.

Comment #130 - Posted by: Chuck B at February 11, 2011 11:32 AM

I mainly use Crossfit Endurance so there is no way I would spend $100-$150 month for workouts. If you think about how long you actually workout, I mean 12 to 20 minutes...seriously? The Crossfit journal is so good that I can watch videos for days and get great technique. Not to mention the Mobility WOD. Crossfit has made so much useful information available I honestly can't see why anyone would pay that much. All I can do is take one year to home crossfit at the y, save the money I would pay monthly to a box and then have a killer home gym like so many do.

Comment #131 - Posted by: Michael at February 11, 2011 12:17 PM

1st timer: I have been to the 3 local CrossFit Affiliates in my area to see what they have & how they operate. I respect & thank the men & women who have started these boxes. Some people out there need help, have the $, & need others for motivation. I am a Captain w/ a local Fire Department & have chosen to go w/ my own home box which I hope one day makes the cut for a mainsite video! If you can't afford the prices, save & build your own. I have taken $50 every 2 weeks for the last 5 months or so, that is all wife will allow, & started to build my own box. So far I have: pullup bar indoor & out - squat rack outside - dip bar outside - barbell w/ bumber plates - 35lb. kettlebell - 12lb. med ball - 22" end table for box jumps - pvc parallettes - some DB's - jump rope - 4x6 rubber mat. I have just ordered rings with my next allotment & can't wait to make my own climbing rope from one of the many useful articles from CrossFit Journal! I come from a baseball (College), triathlon & cyclocross racing (last 10 yrs.) background & thought that was overall fitness! WOW to the WOD's! Thanks to my Brother Andy who has his CrossFit Level I Cert. for introducing me to this great Community! I have my watch set everyday for 2000 hrs. EST! 3-2-1 Go

Comment #132 - Posted by: BIV at February 11, 2011 1:25 PM

@ #14, Brian:

I'm not surprised that your poor daughter has picked up your uptight attitude, but that's appropos of nothing. The photo depicts two healthy, wholesome and athletic young ladies. To the extent that you see anything else, it says more about you than it does about the picture.

Comment #133 - Posted by: Mike at February 11, 2011 1:30 PM

CF HQ - Thanks for this amazing site! And for posting the shots that you do. To see athletic people, living better lives through fitness is an inspiration.

As for $, I used the money I would have spent on ~2 years in a box and made one in my basement. Best money I've spent, and my son and I can bond over WODs ;)

Comment #134 - Posted by: Jake at February 11, 2011 2:24 PM

@ #19

lame. me friend and I have 300 bucks in our garage, have been working out for 13 months solid in it, and can blow anyone at any of the affiliates around here out of the water. If you have to come off a buck twenty a month for someone to motivate you, you need some heart, not a box.

Comment #135 - Posted by: wildcat at February 11, 2011 2:27 PM

Get a great service, charge good $$ for it... then get reallly bloody good at finding the people who value quality coaching, community, results and nutrition advice!

As I said above... if a box has a exceptional level of service, and are very good at selling it they can and will charge $300+ per month!!! \

At the end of the day, if you want good equipment, coaching and service... you gotta pay for it!

Comment #136 - Posted by: Dane at February 11, 2011 2:30 PM

Our local affiliate is 150/month, you get 3 classes per week and no open gym.

For $380 per year I go to a gym with %95 percent of the equipment a crossfit gym has, and I can use it whenever I want.

Personally, I can't justify it in my mind. I'd rather spend the balance on equipment of my own. In two years you'd be fully equipped to do 100% of the workouts. In my mind, owning your own equipment and getting a crossfit journal subscription provide the best value for money...if you have the space.

Comment #137 - Posted by: Dave w at February 11, 2011 2:41 PM

WOD 36 - No rest for this fat guy today. Going to be away from the gym for the next two days and not sure I'll be able to get a workout in tomorrow and maybe even Sunday. Went back through the blog and found the 1/29 chipper. Had to sub 75 close-grip-assisted pullups for the rope climbs, but all else as RX'ed.

Greg A.'s Warmup
WOD Time - 45:20


Comment #138 - Posted by: Pat Overton at February 11, 2011 2:51 PM

pb #119

I think you need to look up the applicable definition of group think. It's hard to have group think on a message board that is basically as anonymous as a poster wants it to be. There is no pressure to conform. Also, we aren't making any decisions, maybe there are a lot of like minded individuals here. Props on the stats though, although maybe a little nutty. But remember folks, numbers can say anything we really want them to.

Comment #139 - Posted by: bull at February 11, 2011 3:07 PM

It breaks my heart to hear some of the fervent crossfitters get down on other people and shriek about their "globo-gym" ways. Going to a gym where you can't motivate yourself to work so you pay somebody to yell at you instead? Paying top dollar to do it because the gains outweigh the monetary cost? Preaching about diets and what you should and shouldn't eat? That whole globogym thing comes from the movie Dodgeball. In that movie the big, expensive franchize gym called "Globo-gym" is where the people who sound like that work. And a lot of you self-righteous crossfitters really sound like White Goodman with just a little modification: "At Crossfit we're better than you, and we know it."

P.S. And after you watch Dodgeball, check out you tube and watch "two crossfitters one chalk bucket"

Comment #140 - Posted by: Brhino at February 11, 2011 3:31 PM

If you would stop whining I bet you could save $150/month just on Kleenex.

Comment #141 - Posted by: MaBell at February 11, 2011 3:56 PM

Only $30 a month at a 24 hour fitness. I've been a member for over 6 years.

I never knew wtf I was doing though-my results were minimal.

And then a friend got me into CF, I can't afford the $150 a month at a real cf gym, well I can't even afford a decent cell phone plan haha...so I just do the WODs at 24hour. I learned body alignment and mechanics through this site and proper form for the workouts. I'm highly motivated... well no, I'm actually addicted to this and I'm in nursing school so exercise is always promoted.

Been doing cf religiously for 4 months- results are freaking OUTSTANDING. People just give me looks at the gym when I take up a whole bunch of space but no one really says anything if you look like you know what you're doing.

thanks cf.

Comment #142 - Posted by: Paul at February 11, 2011 4:22 PM

2 Girls
1 palm tree

Comment #143 - Posted by: Nicole Smith at February 11, 2011 4:51 PM

RE: membership prices:

My box recently moved to a space 7 times the size of our previous. Why? Because there was a demand. People know that to get quality, you have to pay for it. Just moving and setting up that gym was a MAJOR MAJOR undertaking (all aspects).

I am someone who has been pretty hard up, employment-wise, over 2010 to present and my box has worked with me (and others) to make it so we can keep going (ever get that from a globo gym? no). I can see how it would seem the price for a membership ($150) is out of control expensive. HOWEVER, having the knowledge of what JUST the flooring cost for our new gym, I understand what really goes into setting up a quality gym. This doesn't even touch on the pull-up system etc. Sure, many gyms probably don't get as fancy, nor do they need to. All ya gotta do, if you're interested in how much just one wall ball costs, is go onto Rogue or any other site and check out the cost. Then consider what 10 would cost, make that number 15 and check again. I can keep going with this... Just the basic equipment is expensive. Certifications (level 1 is $1,000) and so on.

I'd like to add that not only are our trainers top notch, they are constantly trying to stay up on the science of the programming AND the nutritional aspects. Add to it that, at any moment, we can get some form of personal training (even in a full class). Add to THAT that I can have a private discussion, outside of my training, regarding my concerns and get advice and counseling on what I need to do (at no additional cost). On top of THAT, I can get nutritional counseling and food prep advice that is better than any nutritionist will tell you (who lives by the bogus food pyramid).

Add to the entire package that I have, including my trainers, trusted in the community, have awesome integrity and are, without a doubt, people who have my back and are the best friends I could've EVER asked for to help me with my journey to get healthy.

I get that some people think it's pricey. It is. There are areas I can simply not afford (some of the clothing, trips, some competitions) because of my financial situation. But guess what? I've NEVER met a more inclusive and loving group of people who see in me, the things sometimes I've not seen in myself, yet. I've done things in our gym that I never thought I would do. These people had faith in me when I didn't have it in myself. That means more than I can even tell you. We are a family. Period.

These are good people and ya just simply can't attach a price to that.

Comment #144 - Posted by: Jwow at February 11, 2011 5:36 PM

#134 bull--
Thx for the comments. .

Current tally through 138 posts:
32-2, "anti-complainers" to "picture complainers."
29-20, "pro-affiliate-rates" to "anti-affiliate-rates".

The 32-2 "score" in the picture subject absolutely reflects groupthink....read #119 again...my definition of groupthink is based on the universally accepted one created by Irving Janis, a leading researcher on the subject.

Janis describes "groupthink" as a a condition in which groups "ignore alternatives and... dehumanize other groups. A group is especially vulnerable to groupthink when its members are similar in background, when the group is insulated from outside opinions, and when there are no clear rules for decision making."

My point about the 32-2 "score"...and the fact that there were 5 "anti-complainer" posts before there was 1 "picture complainer" post...clearly expresses what Janis describes as "groupthink." Even moreso, comments described in #119--and seen in a number of other posts--personally attack the underwhelming group of 2 who posted an exception to the picture.

Granted, the 138 people who posted so far today aren't in the decision making process, but one assumes this forum (msg board) exists to inform and influence that process.

I'm curious as to what definition you use. Anonymity does not define a group. Telephone polls are anonymous, but are fundamental to identifying trends in whatever the subject of the call. The Internet...and this board...are no different in that respect. Anonymous, I guess...if you're not putting your real e'mail address down...but still a group.

I'm also not sure how you can affirm that "there is no pressure to conform." All the way through #138 there are "anti-complainer" posts...and still only 2 "picture complainer" posts. Like-mindedness is one thing...but my clearly stated poin is that many of these "anti-complainer" posts didn't check to see if there WERE any "picture complainer" posts. And most didn't read them, evidenced by the substance of their "anti-complainer" remarks (see #119).

That's conformity to an extreme...and it meets 2 of the 3 groupthink indicators from Janis---"similar in background" and "insulated from outside opinions."

Likewise, the vehement "pro-Affiliate-rates" posts (29) largely attack the "anti-rates" posts (20)...and ignore substantive issues like #94 and #110.

Perhaps the experiences described there are isolated, or in the "10%" of thousands of affiliates.

Perhaps the vehemence in defending Mainsite's pictures and Affiliate prices stems from the other trend on today's board---an affirmation that many Affiliates are mini-communities. In effect, the posters are simply "defending their friends."

Or perhaps they reflect a disturbing trend quantified today.....a growing and vocal movement that attacks dissent, fears change, and abdicates critical reading and critical thought in favor of emotion and sound bites.

My points in #119 stand---this isn't a Chicken Little prediction, but it is a growing indicator of an attitude condition that must change before it causes the system to rot from the inside out.

Lastly, feel free to run your own numbers, especially if you want to build an argument or quantify your opinion with something other than casual observation. Then you can actually see what they say....

Comment #145 - Posted by: pb at February 11, 2011 6:24 PM


5K: 29:23

third one this week!

Comment #146 - Posted by: mom to five at February 11, 2011 8:45 PM

24 / M / 5'9" / 135lbs

Run 5k


Only my second one ever. About thirty seconds faster than last time.

Comment #147 - Posted by: BC at February 11, 2011 9:43 PM

RE: expensive CF gym rates

I've read most of these comments (though not all) and it surprises me that perhaps the biggest reason for relatively expensive rates hasn't come up. CUSTOMER BASE. The other gyms are called "GLOBOgyms" for a reason.

How to calculate member rates:

(Expenses + desired profit) / (expected customer base)

In the CF model expenses are low, desired profit is probably comparable to other sole prop's and the customer base is very low compared to a globogym. Attendance rate is also comparatively very high so the limited equipment should have a higher turnover. CF gym rates will continue to be high until they reach the 'globo' status.

Comment #148 - Posted by: mark b at February 11, 2011 11:21 PM

I hope you all don't hate me for this but we only pay 42$ a month for our membership. Beacause our prices are down so low, people register for a lot of classes. We love our gym.

On the note of the girls in bikini's yes they look amazing! But are they gaining the respect from men? Men are visual, when they see a gorgeous woman in a bikini, they probably aren't think, "There's a smart, intelligent woman." They are instead studying everything that is exposed to their eyes. If we want men to respect us we need to quit using our bodies to entice men, and start showing men we are way smarter than a skimpy bikini.

We are teaching our sons to have the greatest repect for women, but also teaching our daughters when you dress in very little clothing it is not respect or honour you are gaining from men, they won't even remember your face five minutes later.

Comment #149 - Posted by: cindy at February 12, 2011 1:40 AM

Personally, I'd rather see other fit women in whatever outfit than sweaty men on the page. I'm inspired to train harder. PS, girl on the left, I have a skirt just like your suit!

Comment #150 - Posted by: Tine Neff at February 12, 2011 9:21 AM

The price is why I cannot start an affiliate in my town. I would never even be able to cover the rent and equipment cost. I am building a little garage gym, but where I live, working fulltime as a crossfit instructor is not an option, Ill keep my day job. However, to the person that is upset about the price at her local crossfit, can you go to the globo gym and get group instructor for 75 dollars a month? Doubt it! If so, go! Or, start your own Crossfit Affiliate and charge 50 bucks a month and see if you can do it!

Comment #151 - Posted by: Jeremy Drenning at February 13, 2011 3:08 PM

Having a crossfit box in some area's just isnt feasible. If you live in an area where the average household income is 20 grand a year, your not going to make any money!

Comment #152 - Posted by: Jeremy at February 13, 2011 3:11 PM

I Like this kind of activity :-) Have a nice CrossFit day folk's

Comment #153 - Posted by: John J at February 13, 2011 10:02 PM

That picture has nothing to do with Crossfit. Two girls climing a tree. Really?

And you are right Cyndi: We teach our children, our young men, not to demean or objectify women, and then we go and do it. We wonder why our society has no values.

Comment #154 - Posted by: Horvath at February 14, 2011 8:57 AM

We pay more than $5000 (due to location) a month rent for our facility that is under 3,000 square feet. We also pay our trainers well and do our best to keep thing clean and organized. We feel completely justified charging $125 a month for membership. It adds up to own your own business.

We do not charge $125 because we want to get rich. We are in the service industry and our job us to serve others, not rob them. You are not going to get rich with a CrossFit gym. We pay our bills, live comfortably, and work hard to give our athletes the best information we can possibly provide.

I wonder how home CrossFitters do compared to athletes who train in a CrossFit gym. If you train at home are you really hitting full range of motion? Does your dog correct you when loose your lumbar curve? Is anyone there to push you when you really need it?

Comment #155 - Posted by: Brachle at February 14, 2011 7:25 PM

HA HA I get to see these two hotties everyday.

Comment #156 - Posted by: Michael Fall at February 15, 2011 5:33 AM

I get to see these two hotties everyday. Oh and by the way, they kick ass.

Comment #157 - Posted by: Michael Fall at February 15, 2011 5:34 AM

@ #154 : How can you say this photo has nothing to do with Crossfit? It's a perfect example how the GPP we practice every day in the gym would translate into the real world. What's to say one of them wasn't picking a coconut? Getting a cat out of a tree? It is a real world translation of the rope climbs we do in our box. Guess you couldn't see beyond the tree... or maybe it was the bikini that threw you.

Comment #158 - Posted by: Tanya at February 15, 2011 4:40 PM
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