January 26, 2011

Wednesday 110126

Rest Day

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Eradication efforts.


"The Home Gym With Pat Sherwood", CrossFit Journal preview video [wmv] [mov]


"Max 25lb Weighted Pull-ups" with Dave Castro, Dave Lipson, Mikko Salo, Juha Kangasniemi and Christy Phillips - video [wmv] [mov]


Richard Strauss, Don Quixote with Yo Yo Ma, Part 1 (with interview), Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6.


Virginia Woolf - The Mark on the Wall.


"Eight Lessons from the life and work of Jack LaLanne" by Seth Godin.


"Bureaucracy by Ludwig von Mises (1944) Section 5" by Ludwig von Mises.

Post thoughts to comments.

Posted by lauren at January 26, 2011 5:00 PM
Comments

No tony budding? that's a pity, i really liked the explanations of the past cycles. hopefully he'll be back next time!

Comment #1 - Posted by: Nickster8 at January 25, 2011 5:05 PM

Can anyone identify what the man in the picture is holding exactly?

Comment #2 - Posted by: Drew at January 25, 2011 5:11 PM

Hya! Thought I'd visit with you all rather than pretend to watch the SOTU speech. Nothing political in that; I pretty much can't enjoy the SOTU from ANY President. Ah well.

What say chat a little about Crossfit stuff since Tony is taking this Rest Day off. How about volume/intensity, and rest/recovery. Have you noticed how many times we've seen the question "is the WOD all you do" this month? All the time, not just January. Here's the thing about that: if you are new to CF the answer is always YES, at least in the beginning. Once you ramp up the intensity (did you sprint those 800M runs?) the Main Page WOD is powerful medicine. How can you know if it's enough, too little, or even too much until you've given it a shot? The minimum amount of time necessary to answer the "is it enough" question for most people who come here is at least a month, and usually 3; you need to see if you can recover adequately. (Note that this answer, like all of these posts this month, is geared to the Newbie).

Is the Main Page WOD too much? It's kinda too soon for us to be seeing too many of these posts, but pretty soon we're going to start seeing folks talk about retrograde (backward) "progress", difficulty sleeping, trouble maintaining weight. They will ask about over-training, as in "am I doing too much with 3 on/1 off?" The answer is a qualified "maybe", and that's because it's usually more a case of "under-recovery" rather than over-training. (Coach used to talk a lot about being under-fueled when he posted, too, so be aware of maintaining adequate intake, too).

If you embrace the Crossfit method of training (constantly varied functional exercise performed at moderately high intensity), and you should, you must respect everything that goes along with intensity. Every now and again that Rest Day just isn't enough. My own life provides rest "intervals" that are not necessarily dependent on my training...they are interposed of necessity due to job or family. In my case they turn out to be pretty much just enough, and tend to come just at the right time!

If your life isn't, or doesn't work out quite like that you should consider PLANNING your breaks. The great, much lamented lost CF OG Larry Lindenman suggested the following template, and I think it is still the best planned cycle for anyone not cycling toward any particular event:

Weeks 1-3 Full CF
Week 4 1/2 intensity/volume
Weeks 5-7 Full CF
Week 8 1/2 Intensity/volue
Weeks 9-11 Full CF
Week 12 OFF. No workouts. Get a daily massage. Camp out in a hot tub. Liberally sprinkle naps throughout each day. Get la_d.

Rinse and repeat.

Think about recovery. Plan your rest. Believe me, all of those folks dropping those redunculous times every day sure do. Make sure you rest today. Remember that anything you do will surely show up on the next WOD; it will probably be something the rest of us hate, too, so don't do it!

See you tomorrow.

Comment #3 - Posted by: bingo at January 25, 2011 5:21 PM

Quick question, why post a rest day at all? Why not post a new wod every day and recommend rest period cycles to be followed on an individual basis. It seems like a waste of a day, especially for someone who isn't on the base 3 on, 1 off cycle. Personally, I play it by ear. Some cycles I go as much as 7 or 8 on. Other times I'm 1 on 1 off. I don't think I'm alone, or even in the minority in that regard. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the great wods!

Comment #4 - Posted by: M at January 25, 2011 5:31 PM

That's the weirdest gilly suit ever. Those sniper school's these days...
That duty is gnarly scary.
kstar

Comment #5 - Posted by: Kelly Starrett at January 25, 2011 5:41 PM

"Bureaucracy" is a good read, especially for those of you who work for the government.

Your job is to SERVE, not harass, don't expect ridiculous pensions and handouts and don't tread on me!

Comment #6 - Posted by: Aric D at January 25, 2011 5:43 PM

#4

Comment about why scheduling a rest day.
Short answer... because this is their programming. They're not worried about what routine others are on. This is their routine, their programming. They program it as best to benefit the athlete. Working out 7 or 8 days in a row, depending on what exactly you're doing can either be very good, or very bad. Your body grows when it rests. Your body must rest.

On another note, is it just me, it's either the site admins who type the stuff up, or the athletes who do the exercises; but do people not know the difference between a pull-up and a chin-up? Last time i checked, there was a pretty big difference.
Just wondering...

Comment #7 - Posted by: Chach at January 25, 2011 5:45 PM

It take a whole lot to be more impressive than Mikko. If that was a 25 pound dumbell she had, Christy Phillips was in that video. She did dead hang pullups, not chins. As remarked by Dave she had outstanding height. And she spotted all the guys at least 50 pounds.

OUTSTANDING!

Comment #8 - Posted by: Wink at January 25, 2011 5:54 PM

Pat Sherwood,
I really like your idea! I've been doing mainsite wods for three years between the fire station and my garage. I finally have enough equipment so I don't have to sub any movements. Like my buddy says it's like Christmas every time you get to order a new piece of equipment. Also, I placed in the top twenty in our region last year just training at home by myself. I will say that I have gotten a chance to do some wods in a couple of boxes and it's pretty sweet to have all the space and positive energy around that they have. For now I'll keep my neighbors guessing. I love this stuff!

Comment #9 - Posted by: DSides at January 25, 2011 5:59 PM

Rhabdo at University of Iowa
http://es.pn/gfqqne

Comment #10 - Posted by: Scott at January 25, 2011 6:09 PM

Depressing picture, pitiful cause. What is noble about the extermination of a plant? It's upsetting to see Crossfit promote debunked bad science and racism.

Comment #11 - Posted by: K at January 25, 2011 6:11 PM

I work for the government and I totally agree with Aric D (comment 6)!! Another great read is "The Law" by Bastiat. You can actually download it for free from mises.org. My second favortite site behind Crossfit, of course!

Comment #12 - Posted by: jmiller at January 25, 2011 6:11 PM

Pat Sherwood,

Props on the video! I work out wherever I can depending on time and equipment needs. I switch off from my home to the Chicago Park District Box (Literally the size of a big box but I still love it there) and my high school gym where I now coach baseball at. Get it in wherever you can and have fun :)

On another note I was curious to see what do most of you do on off days? I like to (dare I say) do the P90X Stretch: it is a head to toe full body stretch, pretty sweet. I also like to hit up some Bikram Yoga.

WHAT DO YOU DO ON REST DAYS?

Comment #13 - Posted by: José - M/25/5'9"/168 at January 25, 2011 6:17 PM

Hey I am new to crossfit, found the low budget workout plan in the build your own gym section. Was just wondering if these should be timed work outs of a certain amount of weight and reps or should I be doing as many reps in 20 min. I am 6'1" 205 and I have always been in decent shape but have never been able to stick to a work out plan for more than a few months. I am hoping crossfit can keep my ADD attention span! Any advice on easing into crossfit would be great, thanks

Comment #14 - Posted by: Doug G at January 25, 2011 6:18 PM

WEED

Comment #15 - Posted by: JD at January 25, 2011 6:20 PM

hey 11 in case you missed the memo CrossFit is used by many many LEO both local and federal and right now marijuana, still illegal. Also check what's going on in Mexico lot of murder over this plant! What is upsetting is people like you spreading liberal crap that it is a harmless plant. Also by stating the enforcement of drug laws is a pitiful cause you take every cop that has died for that cause and spit on their grave try thinking about that next time "Randy" comes up. check yourself!

Comment #16 - Posted by: Zakk at January 25, 2011 6:25 PM

Mikko had the most reps and largest range of motion. And I wasn't surprised at all.

Comment #17 - Posted by: Matt_in_Oz at January 25, 2011 6:27 PM

Glad to see that mainsite supports militarized LEO's "exterminating" a plant that causes no harm except that which is placed on people by our coercive government attempting to force its influence upon us. I would think that CF mainsite would be against gov't intervention in dietary recommendations and such, why should mainsite support the attempt to dictate which chemicals we can put into our bodies?

Unless this guy just made a harvest and needed the camo and firepower to keep away the DEA. Also, if your going to post a weed picture, make it better weed.

Comment #18 - Posted by: Voluntaryist at January 25, 2011 6:28 PM

Hey,
Anyone living in the Delaware area out there and interested in joining our adventure racing team? We lost a team mate, and are looking to go into a 26 hour adventure race in Virginia this April. If you might be interested, e-mail me. Thanks!

Comment #19 - Posted by: Jonathan Offen at January 25, 2011 6:37 PM

Boo.

Comment #20 - Posted by: JoeyG at January 25, 2011 6:37 PM

Did 250 pushups in in 23 minutes in Jacks honor last night,
Although if he gets a workout named after him it should be 1000 PUs for time.

Comment #21 - Posted by: RIP Lalane at January 25, 2011 6:46 PM

#11&19

Look thru the wod history. Crossfit has always supported le and mil. Don't like it? Insure you'll find a place to condone illegal activities elsewhere.

Comment #22 - Posted by: Kev at January 25, 2011 6:50 PM

You ever do CrossFit? Yeah. You ever do CrossFit, on weed?

Comment #23 - Posted by: BillyO at January 25, 2011 6:56 PM

To the nameless (and faceless) operator pictured, I just want to say thank you. Counter-narcotics is a dicey business. Thank God ya'll are out there putting it on the line so the rest of us don't have to. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

Comment #24 - Posted by: Dangerous Brian 27/m/5'9''/153 at January 25, 2011 6:57 PM

CF,
if you want to talk about patriotism and promoting freedom, then you would know that banning a naturally occurring plant simply b/c a group of bureaucrats that depend on their federal jobs say so is pretty stupid.

Comment #25 - Posted by: Bad Picture at January 25, 2011 7:05 PM

I usually hate the stupid arguments that take place on here about the pictures, but i must speak my mind on this one. I am sure there will be some people bashing this pictures but think before you write. This drug is illegal and provides 50 percent of the mexican drug cartels income. They are ruthless people murdering others over this so called harmelss plant. this officer/soldier is putting his life on the line. I love it that crossfit supports the law enforcement and military community. It is one reason i am an avid crossfitter.

Comment #26 - Posted by: rabdoguy at January 25, 2011 7:07 PM

What do working out and supporting worthless laws have in common? Oh yeah, that's right, nothing!

#17, that was a pretty mindless statement. Law enforcement have no say in the laws they enforce, so with that being said, I would gladly spit on the graves of the moronic lawmakers who think they know what is best for me. Support real freedom, the freedom to think for yourself.

Comment #27 - Posted by: M at January 25, 2011 7:08 PM

Carl Sagan smoked it...whats the big deal?

Comment #28 - Posted by: Dr.X at January 25, 2011 7:15 PM

Would like to point out that I think the eradication in this picture wasn't most likely done to some peace loving hippy in Oregon. A lot of these busts are against violent gangs, who shoot innocent people crossing on "their" land. If you have a problem with Marijuana, hate on the politicians, not the agents out there, busting up gangs growing pot on public land, kidnapping, and killing innocent people. If it were all peaceful people growing, the agents probably wouldn't need the body armor.

Comment #29 - Posted by: N at January 25, 2011 7:16 PM

Mises is awesome--thanks immensely for posting his writings. This website is a prime source for numerous amazing reads and podcasts that can have as much an impact on this country as Crossfit has had in our lives!
Thanks again!!

Comment #30 - Posted by: LilaMadison at January 25, 2011 7:17 PM

Legalize it. Treat it like the glass of wine I'm drinking right now.

Comment #31 - Posted by: Mikes at January 25, 2011 7:18 PM

To the LE in the picture..thank you for all you do. Keep up the good work!

Comment #32 - Posted by: Kevin at January 25, 2011 7:20 PM

The 25 lb pullup video:

1. A great counterpoint to anyone who says kipping pullups don't develop dead hang pullups.

2. Lady Gaga in the background - I heartily approve.

Comment #33 - Posted by: Latham M/30/197 at January 25, 2011 7:27 PM

#26

Yes, this drug is illegal, but for stupid reasons.
It was originally outlawed back in the day because it would cause too much competition for the everyday farmers. Then people start smoking it, and hey it becomes a 'drug'
It's a PLANT. That's all it is, a plant.
It grows, you take it, roll it, and smoke it, THAT'S IT. You don't have to alter it or do anything.
You know how many people have died from marijuana overdose? ZERO!
You know how many crimes get committed because people are on marijuana? ZERO!
Side affects of marijuana. Not any more than cigarettes!
Marijuana has been scientifically proven to assist/aid in several medical issues!
And people bitch about marijuana?!
Really?
How many people die on a DAILY BASIS due to alcohol poisoning or drinking/driving related accidents? too many to count.
How many people have died because of lung and throat cancer due to cigarette smoking? too many to count.

Answer me this, if DWI is a crime, why the hell do bars exist?

Hey, you want to get rid of all the murders and drug cartel crap in Mexico and America. Quit messing around and just legalize it already. Legalize it, tax it.
If it's legal, oh wait, there won't be a need for drug cartels and trying to be all secretive about getting a hold of it!
Do you have ANY IDEA how much money from sales and sales tax the government would get from marijuana sales? Bet enough to start kicking at that trillion-dollar deficit.

Comment #34 - Posted by: Chach at January 25, 2011 7:28 PM

I love Crossfit. Where else do you get to juxtapose Mises and the enforcement of laws against victimless crimes.

It is a cool photo, and a great demonstration of Crossfit in the field.

The Mises article points out the problems with government and bureaucracy.

My take away:

The people carrying out the law need to be fit to do it. But, this specific law requires a massive, awful bureaucracy to enforce. In an effort to prevent people from using their freedom to make bad choices (e.g. drug use), the law itself does more harm than the bad choices of drug users (creates a black market which supports organized crime).

People should be free to put whatever they want into there own bodies (hopefully in Zone block proportions!). And they shouldn't be taxed for doing it either!

Great and thought provoking rest day. Thanks Crossfit HQ!

Michael

Comment #35 - Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2011 8:03 PM

Nice kipping pull-ups Dave.

Comment #36 - Posted by: Groo at January 25, 2011 8:10 PM

I'm with Chach on this one. Not hating on LEO's because they are just doing their job, and a good one at that. But it is true, if pot were legal, there would be no need for Mexican drug cartels.
Heck, when was the last time you saw people killing each other over grapes to make wine? Get the point?

Before everyone calls me a liberal stoner idiot, I do not consider myself liberal and while I have smoked it before, I'm not remotely close to being a stoner (I can only remember two instances in which I have smoked in the last 2 or 3 years). So think about it people...
Marihuana is no different (in terms of its effects) than alcohol.

Comment #37 - Posted by: PVB at January 25, 2011 8:17 PM

Chach,

You are wrong on several of your points.

Love it or hate it, marijuana is a drug, it contains THC which is a chemical that alters how your brain works.

Secondly, people do commit crimes with marijuana in their system, believe it or not.

Also, the taxation issue always comes up in the legalize pot crowd and it's not a very realistic argument. If pot were legal, most smokers would just grow it for themselves or get it from a friend who grows it, it's actually pretty easy to do.

Just pointing out a few things, don't kill the messenger.

Comment #38 - Posted by: splinter at January 25, 2011 8:20 PM

For pot, against pot, who cares. There's far too many posts going beyond critiquing the main site photos; simply griping about what they feel the photo represents in a political or moral context. The CrossFit main site administrators obviously have a respect for the human form, a good sense of humor, and a point of view that will always piss off somebody.

Just let it go. If you don't like it, stop visiting the main site. It is apparent that they, the administrators, do not care that you or your clients may find photos offensive or of poor taste. Visiting the site is a personal choice; exercise that choice and get your WODs elsewhere. Spare the rest of us your conservative, liberal, moderate (or whatever) insights representing the view you have. Let your fingers do the walking; type and click elsewhere. There's something to be said about, "If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all." That something could be, "Shut up, or go away."

Or perhaps...the varying points of view and discussions spurred by the photos is their purpose. If so, don't wear your heart on your sleeve during the discussion; it is just a picture after all.

CrossFit kicks (bare) ass! And bare backs, and big guns, and big horn sheep. Oh, and weed and big bear skins too! Rest Day!

Comment #39 - Posted by: Jake at January 25, 2011 8:34 PM

Yes, marijuana "alters how your brain works." So does nicotine, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, and chocolate.

Marijuana might even be harmful. But this is America, the land of the free, right? If a person wants to harm himself, who am I to get in the way -- unless his behavior harms me as well.

In the case of marijuana, it has become evident that the social harm it causes simply does not justify its prohibition. Just the opposite: almost ALL of marijuana's harmful social effects are directly caused by its illegality. The Mexican cartels would need to find a new product if marijuana was legal; this is a fact.

It's also a fact that alcohol and tobacco -- and sugar for that matter -- cause more social harm that marijuana. By orders of magnitude.

So while it's fine to dislike stoners -- or hate 'em even, if that's your style -- there's no good reason to make their behavior criminal.

Comment #40 - Posted by: Will at January 25, 2011 9:17 PM

As for the picture, the guy is just doing his job. The law might suck, but it would suck worse if our military and law enforcement didn't follow it.

Comment #41 - Posted by: Will at January 25, 2011 9:20 PM

Quote from PVB above - "if pot were legal, there would be no need for Mexican drug cartels."

Breaking news! These cartels no longer make cash smuggling cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, firearms, fictitious government documents and human beings throughout the free world!

Nieve

Comment #42 - Posted by: GS at January 25, 2011 9:31 PM

Bingo, I really appreciate all your posts including this one but I find that the the WOD's don't elicit "moderately high intensity", I find that they kick the crap out of me all the time and I've been doing crossfit for 8 months. Maybe I'm a wimp. I have always set my activity level in the zone at .9, am I wrong? Any help is really appreciated. Thanks.

P.S. Are they trying to be ironic by posting an article bashing bureaucracy underneath a picture of a member of a bureaucracy doing (what some would call) an unnecessary task? I'm serious. I'm not trying to be a jerk.

Comment #43 - Posted by: mikey the fat crossfitter at January 25, 2011 9:50 PM

So I took a break from Crossfit because I had some issues with past pictures. But, my curiosity has gotten the better of me and I am impressed to see the LE and Military pics are back. This is such an important part of our community and it makes me happy to see. For those of you that think that this plant is just a plant have never worked in LE and have seen the problems it has caused these days. God Bless this officer and all the other officer who work to protect us from the people that grow this and will gladly kill you iff you cross them in any way. When all of you liberal crossfitters out there go and decide to take a hike in the woods one day and accidentally find yourself in the middle of one of these "gardens," the farmers wont be as liberal with how they treat you. Then you will be rethinking how could this officer wage such a war on this little plant. This is in fact a free society, but in order to have a free society for people to live peacefully in, we need laws. You cannot pick and choose which ones you think will work and which ones people should be able to choose themselves, our society was not based on that. The founding fathers didnt lay the foundation of this country so that some hippie can smoke a joint and blow a line. Society needs laws to continue to survive. You make an argument that people should be free to put what they want into their system, but take the time to think it through. I know plenty of seedy people that I dont want to have access to anything that is going to alter their minds in any way. If you make it legal, you will still have addicts that will still steal, rob, and kill to get what their body demands. It will just come in a bag that says Pfizer instead of a small ziploc bag. If pot should be legal, then why not meth, coke, heroin, etc.? Its a slippery slope. People always saying they dont like the police until the day they need them. Funny...

Comment #44 - Posted by: John at January 25, 2011 10:32 PM

@splinter "Also, the taxation issue always comes up in the legalize pot crowd and it's not a very realistic argument. If pot were legal, most smokers would just grow it for themselves or get it from a friend who grows it, it's actually pretty easy to do."

Exactly! That's why there's no market for tomatoes, lettuce and corn because EVERYBODY grows legal vegetables at their house or gets them from friends! Oh wait... actually, they don't. They go to the store and buy them.

That is one of the most idiotic arguments against taxing marijuana, ever.

Comment #45 - Posted by: jlundigard at January 25, 2011 10:43 PM

Splinter,

Food chemically alters the way your brain works. Sugar, caffeine, alcohol, nicotine. Food has been shown to have addictive properties as strong as cocaine. Also, you're kidding yourself if you think that weed has anywhere near the addictive properties of meth, cocaine, alcohol or tobacco. It's not a slippery slope, but rather an objectively based view that weed is not nearly as harmful as alcohol or tobacco.

Comment #46 - Posted by: Bill Gibson at January 25, 2011 10:48 PM

"if weed were legal there would be no cartels."

If American citizens honored the laws imposed by their democratically elected law makers there would be no cartels. Much easier and far more logical of an argument given the current laws.

Back to the quote. If using illegal marijuana keeps cartels in business then you agree it's consumers are accomplices. Shame shame

Comment #47 - Posted by: Kev at January 25, 2011 10:49 PM

I see a picture of a LEO having a little fun and promoting Crossfit while doing his job. It amazes me how people get so upset when a picture is posted that runs contrary to their opinions. Are your beliefs so fragile that they do not stand to a differing opinion? I enjoy a good debate, and if the opposing party refuses to see it my way, then I am happy to let them continue their life in ignorance. And they are free to feel the same towards me. Part of the greatness of the USA is everybodies right to believe what they want, and to freely express it. Where I take exception is when someone thinks that any viewpoint contrary to their own should be silenced.
Crossfit is a privately run, freely accessed website. The owners happen to support the uniformed services, and cater to that crowd. If you don't like what they have to share, no one is making you look.
I enjoy the debates posted on this website, actually looking to the comments when I see a picture depicting a soldier or a LEO, but I tire of the narrow minded people who want to ban certain pictures because they disagree with what is portrayed.
Keep up the debates, stand up for your beliefs, tolerate those who disagree and remember: we fight for your right to be misguided.

Comment #48 - Posted by: Pete at January 25, 2011 11:24 PM

Too bad those aren't actually pot plants.

Comment #49 - Posted by: J.C. at January 26, 2011 12:35 AM

Im looking for a good sports timer for my gym, nothing commercial grade but big enough that I can see the numbers from a few feet away. Im trying to replace having to use my wrist watch all the the time. Does anyone have a suggestion of where to look for a good one? Thanks!

Comment #50 - Posted by: Ethan at January 26, 2011 2:40 AM

As Rx'd...all day. Woohoo!!

Comment #51 - Posted by: Jeff at January 26, 2011 3:55 AM

0400
5 mu
3 x 25lb x 20 db flys
25lb holds
10m abs

tonight?

incline tomorrow

Comment #52 - Posted by: daddyo at January 26, 2011 4:02 AM

Love you video Pat Sherwood.

I own a box myself (small one 1100 sq/ft).

Sometimes the most fun that I have is banging out a WOD by myself and getting back to the roots of CrossFit. Your backyard/garage gym looks like a great place to throwdown a WOD.

Keep it coming please. Also, we are up north of you in Louisvlle, Colorado about 20 minutes north of Denver. Come and stop by sometime!

www.crossfitjulia.com
Louisville, Colorado

Comment #53 - Posted by: Shawn Bandel at January 26, 2011 4:11 AM

Legalize it. stop wasting our money

Comment #54 - Posted by: perry at January 26, 2011 4:30 AM

The possession/distribution of Marijuana is not a crime in the sense most "crimes" are crimes i.e. there is no victim. Marijuana has been made illegal by corporate interests and kept illegal through the ignorance of the electorate. It is a fact that there are fewer health risks than other drugs available over the counter. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_bn0mpIZ8Y).

Comment #55 - Posted by: Austin at January 26, 2011 5:47 AM

Excellent job on the weighted pull ups!! BTW, drug cartels would not "stop" their activities if MJ was legalized. Their are plenty of other drugs(i.e. cocaine) that they are still heavily involved in and continuing to smuggle into the U.S. Not that I against or for MJ legalization, but lets be realistic. All I see in the pic is an officer doing an OHS with a bush...sometimes you guys read between the lines a little too much, lighten up.

Comment #56 - Posted by: Eric - CFNC at January 26, 2011 6:10 AM

Corrections:

There instead of "Their"...

and..."Not that I am"...

I had to, sorry.

Comment #57 - Posted by: Eric - CFNC at January 26, 2011 6:12 AM

I was surprised by the picture as well...but only because in my 4 years of going to the mainsite every day the political posts are almost universally libertarian in nature. Although I can understand people's concerns that drugs do bad things it simply does not trump my personal freedom. If i want to grow a plant in my backyard it should be legal. If you want to make laws about what happen once I leave my house with it or sell it - that's regulation and that's fine. But I don't understand why someone should be able to tell me what I do with my backyard garden. Where do they derive that power from?

Comment #58 - Posted by: dobber at January 26, 2011 6:38 AM

very interesting survey of reactions to the picture... top 3 comments: 1st place #22 haha , 2nd place #4, third #14. Im not gonna insert my personal feelings on drug enforcement policies, but say I feel fortunate just to be able to have the time and freedom to participate in open discussion/argument on anything controversial like this.

Comment #59 - Posted by: lappy at January 26, 2011 6:38 AM

No one is bashing LEOs for doing their jobs, intelligent and consistent people are defending people who are simply using/possessing a naturally occurring plant.

The "war on drugs" has resulted in billions spent, millions of otherwise law abiding citizens imprisoned and property confiscated, and expansion of "security theater" and waste of tax dollars.

Just bc some of you are emotionally attached to the idea of white federal knights burning evil pot plants that turn our children into mindless zombies, take a step back and look at the facts of the failure if the drug war and the victims of such.

Also the guy saying that legalization and taxation would be bad bc people would grow it themselves, yeah that's definitely true! Small co-ops have resulted in farming closures all over the nation bc people are growing tobacco and food stuffs to avoid buying it in stores.. LOL!!

Comment #60 - Posted by: Bad Picture at January 26, 2011 7:00 AM

Comment #44:

"If American citizens honored the laws imposed by their democratically elected law makers there would be no cartels. Much easier and far more logical of an argument given the current laws.

Back to the quote. If using illegal marijuana keeps cartels in business then you agree it's consumers are accomplices. Shame shame"

Foolish statement. MMJ is legal in several states in which our democratically elected officials have found its benefits both valid and lawful.

And before you go "shame shaming" consumers, I encourage you to review your daily consumption habits, and discern what those monies actually support. You might find yourself more the hypocrite than you realize.

Comment #61 - Posted by: James at January 26, 2011 7:10 AM

Really enjoyed Pat's video of his garage gym. It would be great to see more "garage" gym videos from CrossFitters all over the world.

Comment #62 - Posted by: John at January 26, 2011 7:16 AM

That looks more like Hemp than Sativa or indica.

Weren't farmers required to grow hemp to support the war effort in WW2.

Isn't Hemp a better source of paper fiber than trees?
Doesn't it make a softer and tougher fabric than cotton?

Comment #63 - Posted by: Questions at January 26, 2011 7:20 AM

East Coast Snow = yuck

Comment #64 - Posted by: bran at January 26, 2011 7:32 AM

#60

That's one of the main reasons why it was illegal in the first place. Anything you can make a tree and i believe cotton out of, marijuana can be used as well.
Get rid of the competition.

Also:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_marijuana_first_declared_illegal

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

Comment #65 - Posted by: Chach at January 26, 2011 7:36 AM

#40 GS - Yes, obviously drug cartels smuggle things other than marihuana. But marihuana is by far the largest illegally consumed drug. It also has much milder effects than most other recreational drugs. So while the producers and smugglers will continue their business with other products, you have cut off a very important "lifeline". That was the point of my argument.

Your argument would be like saying that finding alternative fuel sources for cars is stupid because there are still factories, houses, and commercial buildings contributing CO2 to the atmosphere, so why bother fixing cars, right? This logic seems to be that of "if we can't find an absolutely perfect solution to every problem, then why bother trying to find any solution at all?"...
I disagree with that kind of logic

Comment #66 - Posted by: PVB at January 26, 2011 8:10 AM

Shouldn't Crossfit have a memorial for Jack Lalanne? Watch a few of his TV shows and you'll find almost everything Crossfit does

Comment #67 - Posted by: Stuart at January 26, 2011 8:43 AM

@#10..completely agreed...depressing. we cant change the world..but at least we can make a difference within our ommunity and i know my surrounding affiliates are patriotic, but also for legalizing it, and thats what it's all about!

Comment #68 - Posted by: lei at January 26, 2011 8:59 AM

everybodies arguments are valid so before you start calling people liberals(another meant to be insulting shot)..study up on what REALLY is going on with the marajauna situation in the UNITED STATES, not MEXICO. those cartels come here because it is ILLLEGAL, if it wasn't ILLEGAL they would not be here!

Comment #69 - Posted by: lei at January 26, 2011 9:09 AM

jlundigard,

You just made the second most common unrealistic argument for taxation.

Have you ever tried growing tomatos, corn or potatos in you bedroom closet? Pretty difficult to do. Marijuana, however, can be grown in a bedroom closet pretty easily, not to mention a warehouse, or a garden. And it's pretty easy to grow enough to last a common smoker and many friends for weeks in a tiny little space. It is a much different product than household vegetables. There is an entire culture of smokers and growers out there waiting to grow the stuff for themselves and other smokers.

For the record, I'm not arguing against taxation if marijuana were legal, I am simply saying that this idea that it would create a huge amount of revenue through taxation just isn't the case.

Bill Gibson,

I think your arguing with the wrong person, I never said anything about addictive properties. Also, THC is classified as a drug because of the levels in which it effects the brain, as opposed to nicotine, alcohol, caffeine, etc. Again, don't kill the messenger, it is what it is.

I personally think that, at least, personal use should be de-criminalized, and it many areas it already has.

Comment #70 - Posted by: splinter at January 26, 2011 9:09 AM

RIP Jack Lalanne.
Where to begin....hmmm...lets see. 1) Marijuana is illegal. 2) Cartels are killing innocent people to smuggle it into our country, and that includes innocent kids, LEO and everyone else. 3) Just because you enjoy partaking in the drug isn't a reason to "legalize" it. Even if you legalize it someone will still find a way to make a dishonest buck off it and hurt/kill others for it. I won't get into a philosophical/scientific/insert other reason...argument here. The law says it is illegal. If you want to quote some founding father who said that not questioning the law is akin to surrendering your freedom then remember that they didn't have some drug cartel shooting innocent BP Agents/LEO who patrol the borders between the US and Mexico just so they can turn a dishonest buck. You want to smoke, snort or shoot it...go ahead. Just remember as an "adult" there are always consequences to your actions. Be prepared to face them. God Bless America and Crossfit!

Comment #71 - Posted by: LEOGUY at January 26, 2011 9:11 AM

My arguement, PVB, is to support LE operations to keep the dopers down, all of them. And should we have to resort to violence to do so and to keep this garbage off of our streets, very well. We've had too many cops killed so early this year. Shoot first.

Comment #72 - Posted by: GS at January 26, 2011 9:22 AM

splinter--
"Marijuana, however, can be grown in a bedroom closet pretty easily"...With the equipment marijuana cultivators use, so can tomatoes and any other veggie that requires sunlight, contrary to what you write. It is not "easy" as you say. Marijuana growers are among the most skilled gardeners in the US.

The simple fact is Americans tend to pay for convenience. That's why legal pot sales in Cali are through the roof even though Cali is a hotbed of illegal growers from tip to tip.

Comment #73 - Posted by: JRL at January 26, 2011 9:22 AM

I am going to be visiting Gatlinburg, TN in August and I am looking at the affiliates in TN, there are several and I can't tell which one is the closest to where I am going to be. The direction say to go south on US441 through Pigeon Forge and into Gatlinburg, then left onto 321.

Can anyone help me figure out which is the closest CF I can go to, and about how far it is from my location.

Thanks!

Comment #74 - Posted by: Tricia W at January 26, 2011 9:23 AM

WOW! Lots of controversy here, I didn't even know he was squatting a pot plant until I read through these comments.... LOL

Comment #75 - Posted by: Tricia W at January 26, 2011 9:49 AM

@LEOGUY: who said anyone DOES drugs? make a valid point,please.

Comment #76 - Posted by: lei at January 26, 2011 9:57 AM

lei,
My points are valid, and factual. Maybe you can SHOW me where I failed to make a valid point?

Comment #77 - Posted by: LEOGUY at January 26, 2011 10:04 AM

lei,
If you are going to paraphrase what I wrote, do it correctly. I never said anyone DOES drugs who was involved in this discussion. I simply stated that if you choose to "smoke, snort or shoot..." them just realize that it has its consequences. Thanks pal.

Comment #78 - Posted by: LEOGUY at January 26, 2011 10:10 AM

I do hope that the person who posts these economic & political links know that the Austrian school of economics is, to put it politely, considered waco by the tens of thousands of standard economists (whether Keynesian or Chicago school) employed in academia worldwide.
FYI, a former economist who works for politically driven research institute, a political party, or Wall Street is generally considered to have lost any objectivity. Meaning their opinion no longer counts.

Comment #79 - Posted by: Eric at January 26, 2011 10:17 AM

Sunday's wod
Subbed bar muscle ups

10:36
splits 3:20, 3:42, 3:34

Comment #80 - Posted by: Kevin Bania, 28yrs, 5'10", 175 lbs, New Berlin, WI at January 26, 2011 10:25 AM

Cindy
AMRAP 20 minutes
5 Pull ups
10 Push ups
15 Squats

14 rounds + 5 Pull ups + 3 Push ups.

13 rounds last time, 15 next time.
Semper Fi

Comment #81 - Posted by: MajorDad M/51/6'3"165 at January 26, 2011 11:19 AM

Wow. The extreme right vs the extreme left. The simplicity of joining an extreme is that you no longer have to think for yourself.

I've always been in government service. #5, think of who secures your freedom and liberties. Did you earn them or do anything to preserve your "rights?" I've never harassed you and I never risked my life to serve you. The modest pension is part of the package.

Everyone on the soap box concerning drug use, had a beer lately? I have. I'm not sure I get to decide what is right for another country or society. I see our agents in Afghanistan taking down Opium fields. When are we going to invade Amsterdam? I'm fairly certain my time spent on counter-drug operations only fueled the fire by driving up the price of the product. Simple economics.

Lets take the extreme moral high ground, bring back prohibition, and then push our values on the rest of the world. At least it's extreme enough that we won't have to think for ourselves.

Comment #82 - Posted by: Ryan at January 26, 2011 11:47 AM

Arnie smokes weed in pumping iron for is Anti-inflammatory/muscle relaxing properties. I think we as crossfitters should consider it in addition to 10,000,000 grams of nasty ass fish oil we all take. Maybe weed works better? Arnie was pretty jacked......just saying.

Comment #83 - Posted by: Kevin Poff at January 26, 2011 12:17 PM

Hell yeah, kudos to CrossFit for posting "Bureaucracy" by Ludwig von Mises!

A book every educated CrossFitter (and individual) should read! Way to go CF staff.

Comment #84 - Posted by: Aaron Brown at January 26, 2011 12:21 PM

Pat, very cool video on the garage gym. Would love to see what others out in Crossfit world have at their disposal, big beautiful gyms are great, but down and dirty DIY is more my style.

Comment #85 - Posted by: brone at January 26, 2011 12:53 PM

@41

"The founding fathers didnt lay the foundation of this country so that some hippie can smoke a joint and blow a line."
"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
- George Washington, U.S. President
"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."
- John Adams
"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President quote on Hemp
"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
- Thomas Jefferson

REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
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"If you make it legal, you will still have addicts that will still steal, rob, and kill to get what their body demands. It will just come in a bag that says Pfizer instead of a small ziploc bag."
Exactly. The law is not effective now, so why not change it? There will still be addicts. Marijuana is already easy to get, so why punish the individual for a victimless "crime" and continue to waste money prosecuting marijuana users, and dealers?
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Comment #86 - Posted by: Felon for 4 grams of pot and 2 plastic bags. at January 26, 2011 2:04 PM

hey potsmokers,
if weed were legal, how would we teach our children what hypocrisy is?

Comment #87 - Posted by: michael phelps at January 26, 2011 2:23 PM

"Cindy", 15 rounds + 5 PU.

Comment #88 - Posted by: bingo at January 26, 2011 2:24 PM

Too bad all that medicine is going to waste. Fans, you could live in Boulder, where the stuff is legal if you have a backache. Wouldn't do the WOD on it, though. Might fall asleep mid-set.

Comment #89 - Posted by: COfitLIB at January 26, 2011 2:25 PM

Echoing comment 76, I'm all for being down and dirty, in my backyard gym. On the topic of big and beautiful gyms, here's an article on the troubles they're facing nowadays, from today's NEW YORK TIMES:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/fashion/27SKIN.html?hp

It's a safe link - or as perilous as any Times link would be for the members here on the far end of the political spectrum.

Essentially, large commercial gyms are struggling to retain members because the community aspect as the gym as gathering place has been lost. Folks are plugged into their iPods and toiling along (though that generously implies a certain intensity) by themselves and consequently losing motivation. Up to 45 percent of members bag going to the gym in a given year.

True, we've all said before that's how globo's make their money, from folks who don't show up after they've signed a contract, but I do feel for these guys in a way. That has to be rough finding a lot of new contracts when the quitters' yearly deal are over.

We're doing it right folks, be it in the garage, backyard, or box. See how the other folks are scratching their heads.

Comment #90 - Posted by: TRN III at January 26, 2011 2:25 PM

Anyone hear about the 13 iowa players with rhabdo? early commentor posted a link but looking at some other sites it sounds like the were doin a cf like workout.

Comment #91 - Posted by: ryan at January 26, 2011 2:40 PM

When was the last time a mobster in this country killed dozens of innocent bystanders, due to his potential to make money bootlegging alcohol. History teaches quite well if you mind it some attention.

Comment #92 - Posted by: Kyle at January 26, 2011 2:57 PM

"t's also a fact that alcohol and tobacco -- and sugar for that matter -- cause more social harm that marijuana. By orders of magnitude."

actually marijuana is a gateway drug check the figures but more than a fair few of people that smoke marijuana move on to harder drugs like cocaine.

Comment #93 - Posted by: John Sawyerss at January 26, 2011 3:20 PM

I'm pretty sure hemp is paleolithic. ;)

Apropos to nothing, I walked around a Meijer in Indiana a while back. Those folks know how to push HFCS. Seriously, ever aisle cap was loaded with candy, soda, cakes, or some crap. And every other one had a real live pusher handing out samples. Made me wonder if there are out of control gangs in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Comment #94 - Posted by: Jim S at January 26, 2011 3:39 PM

marijuana is not, will not, and has never been a "gateway" drug. that is a straight up lie perpetuated by people with no facts to back it up and ulterior motives. why not argue that alcohol and tobacco are "gateway" drugs? those do far more harm. even the term "gateway drug" is disingenuous because it makes it seem that anyone who uses that substance is automatically predisposed to another substance.

Comment #95 - Posted by: Bill Gibson at January 26, 2011 3:43 PM

Not that it matters, but correlation does not imply causation.

People with addictive personalities will gravitate to an assortment of drugs. Don't believe for a second that marijuana is the cause.

What does huffing spray paint lead to; or is that the end of the line?

Comment #96 - Posted by: Laws of morality at January 26, 2011 3:44 PM

Go eradicate some tobacco bro!!

Comment #97 - Posted by: eric at January 26, 2011 4:04 PM

I love a good legalization debate. First, I completely respect the LEOs that enforce the laws of the land. My brother is one of them. That said, he and I have often had this same debate. A little background info, I do not currently use marijuana but I have in the past. Why do I not currently use? Because marijuana is illegal and my current employer tests for it. If it was legal, I would use it on occasion, much like I currently use the drug called alcohol. Is marijuana a "gateway drug"? Absolutely not. The idea is laughable. Marijuana never made me want to use harder drugs and I have never known anybody that used harder drugs because they were high. Sidenote, I have known people to use harder drugs when they were drunk...different debate. An accurate statement would be "The majority of people that use harder drugs use marijuana", not "The majority of people that use marijuana use harder drugs". I believe an argument concerning the 2nd Amendment can somewhat be applied here. If you make guns illegal then the only people that will have them are criminals. You may see my line of thinking, you may not.
I do agree that violence and drug cartels are often associated with marijuana. Why? Because marijuana is illegal. The same thing happened with prohibition and happens with anything else that is illegal where a buck can be made. Drug cartels won't go away if marijuana is legalized but they will have to find another way to make money. As for the growers in the US, they could actually become legitimate, honest farmers making an honest living without fear of reprisal from the federal government.
I've heard people say that marijuana is an addictive drug. Let's compare marijuana to a legal drug, alcohol. Take two people, an alcoholic and a marijuana "addict". Now remove the addictive substances. The alcoholic will suffer from alcohol withdrawal syndrome, a life threatening condition that typically requires hospitalization and medical care. The marijuana "addict" will be normal and will probably complain that he can't smoke weed.
In my opinion, the federal government has too much invested in the criminalization of marijuana and enforcement of its laws to legalize it. AND too many Americans are unwilling to do their own research into the issue and have been brainwashed by society into thinking it is a dangerous "gateway" drug that should remain illegal. I guarantee if prohibition was brought back into effect, more people would die and more money would be made from the illegal manufacture and sale of alcohol than from the illegal manufacture and sale of marijuana. And yes, drug cartels would certainly be involved in the manufacture and sale of alcohol if it was illegal.

Comment #98 - Posted by: Opinionated at January 26, 2011 4:26 PM

24 / M / 5'9" / 135lbs

Snatch 1-1-1-1-1-1-1

85
90
95
100PR
105F
100
103PR
105F
105PR

I missed this one a couple days ago, but I try to do all the snatch WODs so my form doesn't degrade too much. I did a few extra because I knew I could get to 105lbs today. My max lifts have been lousy lately, so a snatch PR feels good.

Comment #99 - Posted by: BC at January 26, 2011 4:37 PM

#86 TRN III,

Thanks for the link, great article. It hits the nail on the head when it says a sense of community is needed to continue with any exercise program. That's what great about Crossfit - even if you're just doing it at home, you still feel part of the community.

Comment #100 - Posted by: Latham M/30/197 at January 26, 2011 5:04 PM

I could so smoke that WOD! Just kidding!

Comment #101 - Posted by: swany at January 26, 2011 5:10 PM

Cannabis, like many other substances, is an intoxicant that alters the consciousness. But the word "intoxicant" is a misnomer because it is not actually toxic, unlike other legal and illegal drugs. There is no known LD-50 for cannabis.

Humans have altered their consciousness since the beginning of time and in many different ways. Those ways would include music, chanting, prayer, meditation, dancing, plant/drink, and even movies and video gaming today. There is nothing inherently bad in that in and of itself. I would dare say everyone does it in one form or another, lest we be ignorant and hypocritical. I can only conclude that it is human nature, or a basic human need.

Considering that cannabis grows naturally all over the planet, it seems fundamentally wrong that a group of people would think they were somehow justified in eradicating nature. And also, as if their misguided "morals" were justification for denying the rights of others (read liberty and personal freedom). I saw an old film clip in which the interviewer asked a young woman "why do you smoke pot?" (This is also the question that perplexes prohibitionists everywhere). She answered "It's simple. I enjoy it."

Comment #102 - Posted by: LawEnforcementAgainstProhibition at January 26, 2011 6:01 PM

I've been a narc det for 2 years and I can tell you that marijuana is a plant, it's not good or bad it just is. The evil comes from what human beings have done with it. making in legal will not take away the demand for a black market and will create more problems than it is worth. As far as violence over this drug it is VERY real! 1 lbs of marijuana is worth 800-1100$. If you don't think drug dealers will kill people for that type of cash then you are not aware of the way the drug trade really works.

Comment #103 - Posted by: T at January 26, 2011 6:45 PM

@LEOGUY..I said make a valid point because of this statement that popped out more than anything else and I do apologize for that, but it was what stood out. Once again, SORRY. "3) Just because you enjoy partaking in the drug isn't a reason to "legalize" it......" You want to smoke, snort or shoot it...go ahead. Just remember as an "adult" there are always consequences to your actions." I just don't see the point of arguing that, we know we are all adults, and I KNOW as AN ADULT that I have those choices. The meaning of the word valid is well founded..so what am I am discovering here? THAT IM AN ADULT? I MAKE MY OWN CHOICES? By saying that "you" enjoy doing the drug means that is the only reason you want to legalize it is NOT a valid point. ITS YOUR OPINION! Opinions are very common around here, and THAT WAS MINE. I have spent countless hours of research for my career and current clients, and I take that very personally. That was more of a low-blow "HEY LOSER" declaration, at those who are for legalizing it. One more thing, just because I know what the word valid means, no need for the supercilious comment, pal.


Comment #104 - Posted by: lei at January 26, 2011 7:45 PM

"As far as violence over this drug it is VERY real!"

Something approaching 100% of marijuana-related violence exists solely and exclusively because marijuana is illegal. Remove the illegality, and the violence disappears. Stoners don't get high and rob banks, or get into fights. Drunks do.

"1 lbs of marijuana is worth 800-1100$"

Again, that's only because it's illegal. Legalize it and the price of marijuana immediately plummets -- and with it, the incentive for black-market businessmen to bother dealing it.

Comment #105 - Posted by: Will at January 26, 2011 8:30 PM

"The evil comes from what human beings have done with it."

Human beings do evil things for thousands of other reasons as well, almost all of them legal. Every legal substance or activity can be abused.

The amount of crime and violence associated with alcohol use is staggeringly higher than that associated with marijuana use.

In fact, aside from the evil that exists only because marijuana is illegal (which is to say, all of it), it's hard to identify exactly what is harmful about the plant.

What it all comes down to is that those who want to keep mj illegal just don't like stoners -- so much that they would seek to criminalize behavior that impacts them in no discernible way.

I find that to be contrary to the ideals upon which this nation was founded.

Comment #106 - Posted by: Will at January 26, 2011 8:43 PM

Will, I totally agree. T, thank you for what you do but, if your argument were true, then the black-market for alcohol would be alive and well today and violence would still be prevalent around the manufacture and sale of alcohol.
To say marijuana is a gateway drug is laughable. Yes, most hard drug users do use marijuana however most marijuana users do not use hard drugs. I would also argue that there are many people that do not use marijuana simply because it is illegal (myself included). It's kind of like a common 2nd Amendment argument, if you make guns illegal then the only people that have them would be the criminals.
If you think that legalizing marijuana will not eliminate the violence surrounding the drug, maybe you should ask for input from countries that have legalized it (Denmark and the Netherlands to name a couple). I think you will find their biggest issues with the drug stem from the tourists that swarm to the country to partake. Of course that last statement is completely unresearched so don't take my word as gospel.

Comment #107 - Posted by: Matt at January 26, 2011 9:48 PM

#97/T/NARC -
Remember Alcohol Prohibition in the 20's/30's, Al Capone, police corruption, and gang violence including public assassinations and even massacres? Do you ever hear of Anheiser-Bush doing drive-bys against Coors or Miller? Or liquor stores killing each other over turf wars? no you don't.

Here's what you wrote:
"making in legal will not take away the demand for a black market and will create more problems than it is worth."

Exactly what black market would be left if it were legalized? Why would there be ANY violence over weed when all of a sudden there's no money (big black market money) in it?

Do you not see an exact parallel to Alcohol Prohibition here?

You're an agent of evil dude. A minion serving hypocrite bureaucrats and their corporate master, protecting profits for the alcohol and pharmaceutical industry. Who else has a vested interest in Prohibition - Cops and Cartels. Isn't that odd? When "The people" want it legal, but corporations, cops, and cartels don't. The war on drugs = the war on Liberty and the war against American citizens, especially minorities.

Comment #108 - Posted by: El Guapo at January 26, 2011 10:13 PM

Will (#100) hits it on the head.

Much respect for LEOs that actually fight crimes with victims, but I have trouble respecting someone just because they burn a plant or throw a bunch of stoners in jail for decades and call them "felons" for a plant that has been growing naturally for millions of years.

What about drug enforcement has anything to do with personal liberty and freedom?

Comment #109 - Posted by: Evan at January 27, 2011 6:57 AM

F/40/5'6"/150

5K: 28:23

Comment #110 - Posted by: mom to five at January 27, 2011 7:16 AM

Yup, just a harmless plant...

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/24/3346197/california-hunters-at-risk-from.html#ixzz1Byxv55iJ

WAKE UP.

Comment #111 - Posted by: BG at January 27, 2011 10:11 AM

Yup, just a harmless plant...

California hunters at risk from illegal pot grows
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/24/3346197/california-hunters-at-risk-from.html#ixzz1Byxv55iJ

WAKE UP.

Comment #112 - Posted by: BG at January 27, 2011 10:16 AM

Sorry about the double post...

Comment #113 - Posted by: BG at January 27, 2011 10:21 AM

BG, thanks for the link, but if you applied a little critical thinking you would realized there would be no need for mexican cartels/gangs to guard there illegal MJ patches in public forests if MJ prohibition was ended and MJ legalized. Or are you suggesting that this plant is somehow dangerous because it simply grows in the ground?

Comment #114 - Posted by: Burt Reynolds at January 27, 2011 10:58 AM

Thing is, it is not legal, at least not now. If it is legalized in the future will this issue go away? Maybe. Maybe not. Legalize it in CA but not in other states then the demand is still there. Who are we to say what the cartels intentions are. As it stands now, it is a huge problem. I hope you actually took the time to read, and digest, that article.

Comment #115 - Posted by: BG at January 27, 2011 11:08 AM

BG, what are your thoughts on Alcohol Prohibition? Do you think that was good, effective policy? Do you think we should return to it?

Why aren't Mexican cartels running illegal moonshine operations? Do you not see the parallel here and the correlation with organized crime?

Comment #116 - Posted by: Burt Reynolds at January 27, 2011 11:32 AM

sweet helmets bro

Comment #117 - Posted by: briand at January 27, 2011 2:41 PM

quick WOD question:

I work out at a GloboGym in NY and the running is always such a pain because the treadmills, inter alia, are usually in an extremely awkward location. i looked at 3.3 for subs but was wondering how many to sub for runs and what people have found to be the most effective. not that i dont LOVE this ongoing drug debate, but as G.O.B. would say, "COME ON!!!"

Comment #118 - Posted by: rommel at January 27, 2011 3:24 PM

I say again. As it stands now, illegal grows are a PROBLEM. I say again, as it stands now it is illegal. I don't care one way or the other if it is legalized, right NOW it is a problem. Far be it for me to criticize a noted movie star like yourself, but a little realistic thinking on your part might do you wonders.

Comment #119 - Posted by: BG at January 27, 2011 3:32 PM

Trust me, Hooper, your pair will never compare to my pair. I haven't backed away from anything, I still insinuate that it is a harmful plant in that our lands are being destroyed, and the lives of American citizens are being jeopardized, RIGHT NOW. Repeating, RIGHT NOW. What part of right now, currently a big issue don't you get? Put the pipe down, and open your eyes...

Comment #120 - Posted by: BG at January 27, 2011 4:00 PM

I thought it was bamboo! I am all FOR bamboo eradication - been trying to get rid of it for years on my property... and then I read to posts and found out that it was a pot OHS... well, that's good to get rid of too...

Comment #121 - Posted by: JK at January 27, 2011 4:45 PM


BG, what part of anyone's posts suggest to you that they don't recognize that all those are current problems RIGHT NOW? Yes, illegal grows are damaging the environment RIGHT NOW and yes, illegal grows are endangering people's lives RIGHT NOW. I don't think anyone is arguing with you about that.

But a lot of people, myself included, believe that those problems are caused by the *illegality*, not by the plant. More importantly, we believe that those problems would be solved, virtually immediately, by legalization. And even if the problems weren't eliminated, legalization would be a far more effective means of reducing the danger to the land and to people than our country's current policy.

Comment #122 - Posted by: Jay at January 27, 2011 4:54 PM

@ 79 Eric,

Do we really know who’s wacko?

Surely not these tens of thousands Keynesian-/Monetarist-economists who support massive government deficit spending to resuscitate a dying economy through currency debasement to:

bail out too-big-to-fail banks, nationalize the American car industry, create ephemeral make-work jobs to fudge labor numbers, and continue to fund grants for economic research.

Comment #123 - Posted by: twiki2 at January 28, 2011 11:11 AM

Drugs are funny. Alcohol (which IS a drug) is clearly bad for you and society in many cases, so if you drink and you hate on marijuana you are being a hypocrite. I am convinced people who workout a lot are endorphin addicts as well. Whats going on right now with marijuana in America is comparable to the prohibition era in the 1920s. Mexican cartels are just attacked more so by the media because they use violent means. Think about how much your and your family's health are already dictated by drug companies...that is way scarier than drug cartels. A bullet in your chest...or a slow stressful death of "how will I pay for my increasing need for prescription medications in my mediocre or non-existent retirement...or longer?" Economics is the most realistic perception in which to see the world...which is always changing...in many ways for the better.

Comment #124 - Posted by: B at January 28, 2011 4:36 PM

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/24/3346197/california-hunters-at-risk-from.html#ixzz1Byxv55iJ

Bummer about this situation. I like hiking/hikers. Just another thing to worry about in the wild as if bears, snakes, poison oak, and Dick Cheney were not enough. Its a complicated economic issue. I dont believe for the lay person who smokes some mj at night prior to bed after work that it really is a problem for anyone. Then again if most people were like those just described then we wouldn't have many Mexican cartels or war, etc. Ah...time to headphone some dubstep and do some Crossfit.

Peace

Comment #125 - Posted by: b at January 28, 2011 4:57 PM

I know its been said above, but apparently some people need to hear it until it sinks in. Almost all of the problems caused by drugs are caused by the fact that they are illegal. You really think drug cartels could stay in business or need to be violent if drugs were legal. Open your eyes.

Comment #126 - Posted by: jdub at January 31, 2011 9:25 PM

That's right. As soon as prohibition was repealed in the 30's, it completely shut down the mafia. Oh wait... The mafia is still in business, they just changed their MO. Anyone who thinks legalizing mj will shut down the cartels has been using a bit of the cartels product.

Enough of this BS. Let's get back to CrossFit so I can prep myself for more MJ eradication this summer!

Comment #127 - Posted by: A at February 3, 2011 8:02 AM

Everyone bashing the photo here needs to get some perspective. Marijuana is ILLEGAL and accounts for hundreds of deaths due to drug violence every year in mexico, and costs taxpayers millions of dollars on enforcement and incarceration. We need to stop this menace.

Legalization is the only solution that makes sense. Prohibition has created tremendous artificial value from a plant that is easily cultivated. This value has made millions for criminals, and cost honest taxpayers many millions on efforts that have only succeeded in making the criminals richer.

This is NOT A LIBERAL AGENDA. This is a conservative cause... Governement needs to step aside here and let the free markets regulate themselves. Once legalized the price of marijuana would drop to the point where it would no longer support criminal enterprise.

We could also decrease the size of our government by eliminating unnecessary incarcerations, and stop wasting Law Enforcement resources on issues that do not affect our nations security.

No disrespect to officers enforcing the laws they are sworn to uphold. However, I do hope they are able to use some discretion in where they focus their efforts.

\end political rant

Comment #128 - Posted by: edawg at February 10, 2011 7:51 AM
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