December 5, 2010
"I'm not a 'Trophy Hunter', I'm just a very fortunate Alaskan that has not had to buy meat from a grocery store since 2005." - Chris Robertson
"State of the Community: Executives Panel, Parts 1 and 2", CrossFit Journal preview video [wmv] [mov]
Protein Pancakes by Josh Bunch and Chastity Sloan - video [wmv] [mov] and recipe [pdf]
Pablo de Sarasate, Zigeunerweisen, by Itzhak Perlman
Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. - Harrison Bergeron
Watch "The Euro Game Is Up!" by Nigel Farage, YouTube.
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Posted by lauren at December 5, 2010 5:00 PM
Way to go! Beautiful shot. Glad to see hunting season is in full swing up there as well, Chris.
awesome you killed an animal for fun!!! way to go man!
seriously, wtf is the point of posting pics like that in a diverse community?
lets start posting pro choice and pro life pics next!
Congrats Chris !
I hunted for a bighorn sheep in the Kootenays, steep mountains of Southern BC this fall, for 14 days, with no luck. Crossfit really helps hikers and mountain hunters. Way to go !
I do not understand hunting. Does it make you feel like more of a man to shoot a poor defenseless animal? If you really are hunting for meat, is it necessary to kill an amazing big horn sheep? Crossfit, please don't promote hunting.
@ # 2 Hayes
Please read text under the picture.
Here we go again!!! Let the furry friend lovers come out of the woodwork again and start bashing this guy.........just for doing something he loves. Congrats on the bighorn man, keep up the good work!
And Congrats HQ for posting whatever the F*&% you want and not worrying about being "politically correct".
#5 taking a picture of it and sending it to be posted, pretty much means its a trophy.
my point is more about why pics like that are posted here.
Here homes the spam about the hunting photos hahaha.. get over it people.
#4 - What makes that animal any more amazing than any other animal?
#7 - Crossfit made him a better hunter, which in turn feeds him, what don't you get?
I have a question about the protein pancake for Josh! I want to know when you take it pre-workout? 1h... less or more time before? And why do you need to take it 'pre-workout' ?
Because i read at many place that if you eat clean food like paleo and balanced meal you don't need this 'pre-workout energy boost'
So please tell me more about that i'm very curious:D
Thanks in advance!
If the text below the image is true, then how can you argue there's a problem with what he does? The animal is free-range all its life, without any boundaries. It's not smashed into tiny corrals and fed grains, etc. The one shot (likely) that killed the animal was more humane than the way most raised cows die in America, considering some major providers of beef and chicken don't abide by FDA regulations.
Hayes there is a plethora of material right there to be seen, a politician getting heated about the troubled Euro, a short story by Kurt Vonnegut, protein pancakes and some lovely music which I Can barely pronounce so lets not start ragging the hunter for getting his free range meat somewhere other than wholefoods.
#9 - How on earth does Crossfit make him a better hunter? Unless this guy is out hunting with a knife, there is no athleticism involved in sitting someplace for hours and then shooting something.
The problem with this is killing an animal that is much more rare than others for absolutely no reason.
Great job Chris! Nice kill! I with I could try some of that meat. We eat wild venison, turkey, squirrel, trout...... I'm with BeardedWonder (#9). Isn't Crossfit at least partly about being a better survivor? Navy Seals, Marines, Army Rangers, Firefighters, etc., etc. Time for the girlie boys and girls to switch to workouts on the Wii.......
Erik, why don't you head to Alaska and try climbing those mountains to hunt sheep?
+1 Wang Fu!
Erik, for him to hike out there over mountains, track the animal, and then carry it back! Please tell me how crossfit wouldn't help him be a better hunter?
I'm pretty sure all the meat you naysayers eat, is not tickled to death.
I love animals too, they taste great. If you've never humped up and down a mountainside in pursuit of wild game, you'll never know how hard it is. Way to go, Chris.
I could care less about the picture - to each his own - personally I would rather hike those mountains but if you are dumping on Chris because he killed an animal you had better be vegan. No matter how an animal is killed the moment you eat it you too are complicit in its death regardless of wether or not you pose beside its carcass. And I'll take wild over industrial 100% of the time.
I would be more offended if CFHQ posted pictures of farms chok-a-blok full of sickly animals raised on corn and drugs.
This is too funny...watching the state of crossfit video part 1.
Paula Gravatt...first workout in Crossfit - Filthy Fifty.
I recently went to Crossfit Tustin...Craig's first Crossfit workout...Filthy Fifty.
My first workout in Crossfit...Filthy Fifty. I have attended a Level 1 Certification and am looking to get the full certification via testing as soon as another Level 1 Cert is close by. I also have plans...
What is it about the Filthy Fifty that gets people hooked?!?! The variance in the workout and the intensity of the workout?
I am just saying...take a survey of the affiliate owners - what was their FIRST crossfit workout?
On another note - No comments on the Euro Zone...See the following.
Dave Casto and others have T-shirts showing "Guns, Gold, and Paleo Treats". Enough said.
Some feel much better WODing on an empty stomach, some feel way worse. Its not that you theoretically have to believe one, its simply that you give each a fair try, truly experiment, and see how you fair better. The pancake is just one option out of dozens we have tested, tossed, better dealed, and currently prescribe.
Some find that am fasted WODs allows them to tap into the sympathetic nervous system and make them feel great, others seem to hate this and like evening WODs make em feel better.
More about providing an option for experimentation on yourself. One of the things that always works is being open to everything, never shunning any option. Hope that helps boss
This is hilarious...posting this picture worked. Remember the grizzly picture? CFHQ did it again. Love it. Nice work, Chris. I'm with Myles (#19). Do some research and then tell me that what Chris did is worse than what your run of the mill cattle/hog/chicken farmer does to produce most of the meat consumed by many Americans.
i am vegan and totally agree with 19...but seriously what's with all the hunting pictures?? i really don't get this link between hunting, meat, manliness and athleticism. its bullsh!t. Why not stick up some pictures of a guy shoveling some compost, or digging up some pumpkins, or whatever. That's more directly functional!
Thanks for replying!
I try many things and what i have found is that the best way to hit the WOD as hard as i can is maybe 3 hour after eating a full meal and i'm on that since last january and it works well for me but someday it's tough to plan with my schedule so i'll try to eat diffent kind of meal with protein powder to check if it's good for me! Thanks for the idea it will motivate me to try new things.
Man those pancakes look awesome, I think i might have to try that recipe! Great vid Josh and Chastity!
Also, it's nice to hear from the higher ups in CFHQ and can't wait to see what the online qualifier brings!
Hayes: Just so we're clear on the rules as you see them; CrossFit has a diverse community but HQ can't post pictures of the accomplishments of its members? Or maybe they just can't post pictures that display that diversity in a way that is different than the rest of the community? In this diverse community what type of activities are and are not okay to take pictures of? Just trying to figure it out because it'd be a shame to be improperly diverse and left out of all the CrossFit fun.
At Mr. Shoveling Compost
What is more functional than getting out into the wild and earning your dinner? That's hunter/gatherer stuff in it's trueist form. Maybe its more "functional" to do Fran, then run to the store and buy your sustenance. Or you could dig up a pumpkin.
Craig, I agree! The whole point of restday posts is to make you think and that's exactly what it did. They don't really care if you agree they just want stimulating conversation. They purposely put up controversial things.
Good job on the hunt!
@Hayes. The point is it IS a diverse community. Can we be allowed to showcase that in different ways? Everyone lives differently, he chooses to hunt... to feed himself, according to the subtext. You may choose to not and buy your food from the store. Diversity involves many people from ALL different paths of life.
Also, I hope there aren't any paleo people doggin' on this guy. That would be nothing short of ridiculous.
As for the pancakes... I've never been the biggest pancake fan... but these look like they might be worth a try.
Good job man,don't worry about all these hypocrites.
And for those who say he should be hunting with a knife or some other nonsense. Do you animal lovers think it would be more humane to go at it with an animal, gladiator style, and cut it with a knife so it bleeds out or to be killed cleanly with a well placed shot. Get out of fantasy land.
stop bitchin people the man is eating the dinner he killed himself hes not takeing more than he needs to feed himself and family he hunts as he needs...
And for those who say he should be hunting with a knife or some other nonsense. Do you animal lovers think it would be more humane to go at it with an animal, gladiator style, and cut it with a knife so it bleeds out or to be killed cleanly with a well placed shot? Get out of fantasy land.
Where do you think steak comes from guys? How about we turn the farmer into a villain too?
Seriously, people? Since you're all crossfitters I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no vegans out there....where do you think your meat comes from? Magical protein fairies? Or do you think all your beef died of natural causes? This guy hasn't bought meat at a grocery store since 2005! We should be applauding him. All his animals died quick, humane deaths after living freely for who knows how long. Unlike our factory farmed cows who sometimes start getting butchered before they've even died.
Good job man! I wish I was that dedicated.
Apparently the term hunter/gatherer has changed. It now means "hunt for the best deals on zone products and gather coupons for said snacks". My family eats well on the venison we stock our freezer with every year. Great job Chris. I would love to hunt in Alaska sometime.
right now I am picturing Mr. Caveman scratching his head...see meat...kill meat...eat meat...use skin to wear or decorate cave...hmmm...things not much change, just the stones Chris throws, travel much faster! Where do I get my *boom* stick!
"I'm pretty sure all the meat you naysayers eat, is not tickled to death.
Comment #17 - Posted by: cb at December 4, 2010 6:13 PM "
Loving the Vonnegut. Haven't read this in years.
A collection of his short stories titled "Welcome to The Monkey House" is great, if you can get your hands on a copy.
I have to say that the "tickled to death" comment is the best yet. Great visual.
Chris you should start eating farm raised beef . The ones right next to I-5 outside of L.A. The ones you smell 15 miles before and after you pass them. It would be better for you. Just kidding. Nice kill, Brooks Range? Alaska Range?. I smell sheep steaks.
This is how I thought the comments were gonna roll for the bear picture. I was very surprised to see the anti-hunting crowd dominate that discussion. Glad to see the crossfitters in touch with reality speak up on this one!
Again with another hunting theme...not sure what this has to do with CrossFit. All it does is pit hunters vs animal rights activists against each other - people who otherwise would get along with the common theme of CrossFit. It invites personal attacks and misunderstandings. This is a fitness website, or so I thought. Stick to fitness.
If God didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
What makes this a pancake? It looks and sounds like scrambled eggs to me!
What makes this a pancake? It looks and sounds a lot like scrambled eggs to me!
#13 Erik.......obviously you have not been sheep hunting.
Sheep hunting, especially here in Alaska is harder than any crossfit workout I've ever done!
Chris Robertson, very nice sheep. Where did you get it and what were the measurments? Good job.
I don't know, I thought the doing Fran and them digging up a pumpkin was a pretty funny one too.
Seriously, I'd love to be able to hunt for meat, but for me, its not practical.
I'm going to try the pancakes tomorrow... Should cure my hangover, if nothing else!
1st of all hunting dall sheep is one of the hardest thing physically you can do. Up and into the mountains with 50-60 lbs of gear and then hunt the mountains for 7-10 days carrying all of your food on your back. Then if your lucky shoot a ram and then your trip out will be more like 100lbs up and down the same mountains. free animal and then killed for meat. I've talked to many alaskans and their sheep hunts have always been the hardest thing they have ever done.
Picture bubba at the slaughter house walking up to the cow with his stun gun and laying out the cow so all of you hypocrites can eat it. regardless if its free range or not the animal is still going to DIE. Most people are just not man enough to do it themselves.
Great job Erik
Save the pumpkins! Leave the compost alone!
Would comment...(gavel banging in EU chamber)... but can't remember (gun blast in Alaskan valley)....open-faced sandwich with extra meat....(dropped barbell)....leaf pick-up day tomorrow....(dog barking)...maple syrup....
Animals are food. he's proud of his ability to do something real, something that takes effort. maybe next time he can try using all hand crafted weapons, that would be impressive too. we need to eat to live so try and just accept this.
The Kurt V. is well worth reading....as well as all of his books.
thanks for posting this.....
Chris: Beautiful Dall!
I hunted them 2x (with a recurve bow) but never got close enough. On my first hunt I did solo and ended up having to hike out 13 miles through mid calf snow, with a 50# pack on. I ended up in a drainage and several times had to jump 5 - 10' cliffs down into the creek. Once I got to the Tok river, I waited 2 days after I was supposed to be picked up and flown out for the pilot to come get me. Tok Air told my wife they couldn't find me! She in turn told my friends who were about to send a search party to find me. The pilot told me he never saw me (even though I had my space blanket laid out and he flew right over me 2x). I asked him if he talked to my wife and he said "yes". I then asked him what he told her and he said "we can't find him". I almost throttled him there but I couldn't fly without him!
For all of you who have never hunted, what gives you the right to even voice an opinion on anything associated with it. It's fine for you to say "it's not for me" and I'd be cool with that but when you pontificate about that which you know nothing at all about, it just makes you out to be an ignorant person. I don't think very many of you could last 2 days on a hunt like Chris went on or I just described. In my hunts, I use either a recurve bow or longbow and won't shoot further than 20 meters. You have no idea the skill it takes to get that close to wild animals that hear, see, and smell beyond anything we humans can fathom.
Crossfit is fantastic for hunting. Before crossfiting I remember sucking wind trying to quarter out an elk a mile up hill on my shoulders through heavily wooded terrain. No problem since I've been crossfiting the last 2 years. Great job Chris..way to get a true source of organic meat.
one of the funniest comment sections I've read in a while.
I'm not a hunter at all, but feel that the entire picture of Chris really encompasses the Crossfit motif.
Also the rant by Mr. Farage was quite stirring.
Thanks for sharing!
P.S. I will be tickling my meat to death from here on out.
Crossfit.. keep supporting the warrior community. Hunting is great stress inoculation for a war fighter, something this community has always supported.
Do you haters cry about the slaughter of your organic paleo beef cut in the Trader Joes deli? You'd be hunting in a second if that was Mikko in the pic.
I am absolutely appalled by this picture. I dont believe in killing animals, thats why I buy meat that is already dead at the grocery store like a civilized person.
Being the civilized open person I am, I cant help but turn my nose up at the past time activities of others...for shame hunters!
i do not hunt nor do i have the time for it, but it is admirable that he has been able to supply his own meat.
for me i would much rather have such a natural protein source like what is pictured instead of a cow that is locked in a cage not able to move, injected with steroids, fed corn with pesticides, and killed by god knows what means. for all you softies crying over the picture take a look behind the scenes at the garbage you pick up at walmart, now thats cruel.
if this bothers you CrossfitVegan may be a better choice
lol @ tickle to death
Working out has taken the place of work, which humans formerly had to do in order to survive.
This easier lifestyle has resulted in some becoming convinced that they can survive on nothing but fruits,vegetables and vitamins.
To all the outdoorsmen and women out there, relax and head to the mountains! The left wingers will get scared and turn back as soon as their cell phone loses its signal...
"To all the outdoorsmen and women out there, relax and head to the mountains! The left wingers will get scared and turn back as soon as their cell phone loses its signal..."
...uh...when did this become political? I'm a left winger, and I'm all for hunting.
#58, I'm sorry you think that your grocery store meat has been treated with any humanity. This man has done an amazing thing that you will probably never understand. He has gone beyond "killing an innocent animal", Chris has fed his family, connected with what makes him human and not some white collar office slave, an tested his patience to an extreme while trekking through the wilderness for this animal. From a fellow hunter, Congrats Chris and maybe some day the rest of the world will understand the humanity in a man hunting to feed his family.
Dig up pumpkins?
I didn't know that they grew under ground.
Is anyone else starting to get a little creeped out by how much CrossFit is pushing the Progenex stuff?
So much hatred, just do crossfit.
WOW, Alaska Kicks ass and so does CrossFit!!! Beautiful Sheep!
Anyone else notice the Pararescue hat? "These things we do that others may live!" rock on chris!
Silly me, when i first saw the image i thought to myself "how on earth did he get that thing to let him pet it?" !
That said, at least he's eating the thing and not just cutting off the antlers (horns?) to stick on his wall or something.
haven't bought meat from a grocery store since 2001. because i don't eat meat. to each his own.
I don't know about you guys but I just WOD my dinner into submission.
Beets or Buffalo, Poultry or Potatoes they just cant keep up.
they drop I eat em.
If I cant WOD them to the table I really do try to find the animals that are willing.
Get over it. We eat, they eat,
Circle of life etc etc
I don't recall sheep meat being a common thing to eat. Seems as rare as eating bear meat.
Crossfit HQ should be ashamed!Don't they realize it's only been a few weeks since the rest of us had to put up with all the name calling and whining on both sides? Personally I was hoping for .... Oh wait a second. Who the he'll cares? Get over it. So many buttons being pushed, I love it. Can't we all just WOD and leave each other alone?
I'm guessing there'd be less debate had he posed doing a handstand next to it instead.
Saw the hat. Cool to see a PJ up on the .com!
Considering people who have a problem with the posting of the bear and now the sheep picture "naive" or "hypocrites" is frankly naive... I am sure many of the people who eat meat on this site are quite aware of where their meat comes from and would indeed hunt and kill their meat if they were required to. They don't think it comes from "meat fairies" as one previous insulting poster commented.
This is an entirely too simplistic view of those that have a problem with these two pics. The creator of the above picture points out that he is not a trophy hunter, but what is a picture of you holding up a bloody dead animal you killed but a trophy? He may have gone on to eat the animal he killed and may have done so since 2005, but let's not kid ourselves, the picture, if nothing else, was a trophy.
And like the bear pic, that is the problem. People come to this site because of a common interest in Crossfit. We expect to talk about the WOD and how it is kicking our collective asses, and we do that after looking at what are often awesome inspiring pictures that are posted here. What are we supposed to talk about when a pic like this is posted? I think we found out what ends up being talked about - it does nothing other than divide people that were once united with a common interest in Crossfit, an interest that transcends people's differences.
I think that the posters that had a problem with these pics, myself included, feel that hunting to feed yourself and family is perfectly acceptable, even preferable to the terrible practice of factory farming. So then, go hunt, kill your dinner, take it home and eat it. Don't kill the animal, take a gleeful picture of yourself holding it up or standing next to it in the case of the bear, chest out, proud of your domination, and then post it to a site like this that is about Crossfit and then claim innocence when some people give you a hard time.
So please, let's move away from this simplistic viewpoint that those opposed to these two pics are just "silly, naive, softy, hypocrites that think meat comes from meat fairies". We know where meat comes from, and we, or at least I, respect that you have personally chosen to kill your own food. But, after the kill, don't take a pic, a trophy pic, and then have it posted here. You may not be a trophy hunter, but taking trophy pictures of your kills and having them posted to websites viewed by thousands of people, if nothing else, promotes the trophy killing of animals - and this is something that I would imagine many on this site would not approve.
I for one look forward to moving away from pics like this that have the effect of glamorizing something many of us are opposed to, and instead returning to pics that unite us all in our love for Crossfit - I hope others feel this way as well.
Forget the dead animal, there's no sectionals this year!! That's a way bigger deal and quite disappointing I think.
Hours spent hiking and climbing treacherous terrain, carrying a heavy pack and rifle to find the ram and you're upset he took a picture?
I would be proud too, hunting in an area like that is a ridiculously hard thing to do. Getting to the ram is the EASY part, try carrying it back out!
I cant believe the amount of anger over taking a single picture that quite clearly shows how crossfit has helped him.
where is the spirit ofthe games
Oh for craps sake, if anyone is that up in the pipes about it all (the dead critter), go take out your frustrations in a really rough WOD
have no problem with anyone killing animals for food, aslong as they do it as quickly and pain free as possible for the animal. what i have trouble understanding is a person's mindset where they pose for photos after with a dead animal, looking so proud as they and their high powered rifle with telescopic sights have outwitted a sheep.
also please do not take seriously the link to nigel farage talking about the euro. here in england the guy is a joke, someone who wants the European Union scrapped but still claims huge amounts in expenses and profit from the Union when Euro MP.
How sad it is to see Sectionals go to the internet. Crossfit is way more that the elite athlete. So many amazing athletes train for sectional knowing that they will not make it to the games, but love the competition and the community. To take this element out is just a mistake. Sure, it may save HQ the headache of organizing these events for people that arn't ELITE athletes...but the rest of us pay the bills!
Why do you start the big discussion again by posting such pictures. Let's get back to business. There must be more pictures worth posting on mainside!!!
Well done Aaron, that about covers it! (comment #78)
The "trophy pic" is a post-action shot which represents accomplishment or success after intense work--analogous to the picture of Crossfitters lying on the ground or the sweat outlines on the concrete floor after the WOD.
The culture of acquiring and eating meat is suppressed by our media, our schools, our government, and out health system from cradle to grave. You never see red meat on Sesame Street. e.g. Abby Cadaby: "healthy foods like beans and noodles"
Hoo-yah, from OL class 94-001. Dread the pack out on that beast...
Sunday musings (tough audience version)...
1) TSO. Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Crank it up.
2) Game. Couple of rather large deer strolling through the backyards in Bingoville today. Not sure who's more more frustrated, my neighbor the hunter or my (electric fence restrained) border collie.
So close...so close...
3) Competition. Funny thing about our big competition, the Crossfit Games. Seems they keep changing. I dunno, constantly varied, or something like that. Four years, four very different set-ups. Four very big jumps in participation. Just when we get used to thinking about the last one, along comes Dave and Coach and WHAM it's something different.
Ya gotta listen to the whole statement, though. Funny, that. Seems there will be two ways to get to the Regionals, either through an online qualifier, or (here's the cool part for the community) through a qualifier that is certified and run by a Crossfit gym. Imagine, coming to a city so near you it's actually YOUR city...taDAH...a sectional qualifier. I'm having a really hard time figuring out how this is a bad thing.
More people participating in more places...nice job HQ!
4) Wistful. How I feel about my own part of the Crossfit world as it's grown. Once upon a time this particular part of our world, the Main Page and the Comments section, was the center of the Crossfit world outside of Santa Cruz. Affiliates, garage CF'ers, and solo Globo guys like yours truly were all here. Lurkers and posters alike, the Main Page was where it was at.
Now? Not so much. An enormous amount of the community, its people and its energy and its growth, is now in the 2500 Affiliate gyms scattered around the world. Both in "real" space and cyberspace, the local CF gym is the center of the community, the hub for the gym members.
Much of the rest of the community we remember, and to be sure much of the Affiliate community, can now be found on and around Facebook. Same folks. Same very positive vibe. Same energy and enthusiasm. It's nice, frankly, just a bit...fractured I guess is a good word.
Neither good nor bad, I guess. Growth happens. Things evolve. There's still an important role for the Main Page to play, else Coach and HQ would move on, too. I'm just a little bit wistful (or whiny, if you dislike musings), I guess, maybe a little bit lonely as my little part of our world seems more and more to be less and less as far as the communal aspect of Crossfit is concerned.
5) Gift. Mrs. Bingo and I are doing a little shopping. In truth she does most of the shopping for the bingo progeny; every now and again I try to find something to surprise everyone, even "Mrs. Santabingo", but she really carries most of the load.
It's funny, but for a guy who really hates surprises I really like it when Mrs. Bingo gets just exactly what I needed or wanted but just didn't know I needed or wanted. A gift like that represents a very deep understanding of the gift receiver, a level of caring for that person that is something beyond the ordinary or regular. The gifts aren't always big, not at all--they're just always perfect.
After many years of not exchanging Mrs. Bingo and I will be able to gift one another this year. I am a coward; I will seek to be told what she wants or needs, and I will then do everything in my power to try to make it happen. I simply lack the imagination to create a gift giving act that reflects the deep knowledge I have of my better 95%, so I will express my caring through a very extended cross-examination. She will resume right where she left off 5 years ago when we last exchanged, surprising and thrilling with the perfect gift.
This is really a (typically) long-winded way of saying "it's the thought that counts", isn't it? Large or small, expensive or not, when we have a gift-giving occasion we have an opportunity to express our feelings by demonstrating that we do, really, know what it is that makes our loved ones tick. We HAVE listened and watched.
Only 19 more shopping days until Christmas.
I'll see you next week...
Pancakes are good for WODS but dont cure hangovers. Nice video Chas and Josh!
There are a surprising number of veggie advocates here. Do you guys eat a lot of soy? Or load up on carbs and disregard paleo altogether? I guess I'm asking, if you are so angry about this picture, what do you eat?
nice ram! im trying for a tag next year
Hunting season is almost over.
Sheep meat can be found in most stores - its called lamb.
rmoore. When you go to the grocery store and see the meat all wrapped up in cellophane do you yell at the butcher for putting out his meat on display? Because he is showing you the culmination of his hard work of raising, feeding, and torturing an animal for others to eat. I look at the picture on the main site and I see a beautiful animal and I am saddened horrendously by its death. I can't describe to you what its like to sit and stare at the eyes of wild things as they fade. It is powerful. But I will always be more upset by the pictures of chickens in cages with their beaks clipped off and cows locked tightly so they can't move and won't gain any muscle to ruin that perfect marble the butcher is putting on display.
If you love animals like I do, you either kill them yourself, or become vegetarian.
CrossFit + Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Two of my favorites. And.... the little known Harrison Bergeron? Awesome :)
Bingo- wistful. Yup. Me too. We sound like old people. Better stop that LOL Good work on the thruster wod the other day (see, I still lurk)
I used to be against hunting. And guns. I am from Jersey, we are brainwashed that way. Luckily I hooked up with a hick from Pennsyltucky and I know better now.
oh no don't throw away the yolks!
and another thing, Vonnegut! I'm gonna stop payment on the cheque! F me? Hey, Kurt, can you read lips, F you! Next time I'll call Robert Ludlum!
One of the world's greatest composers, Johann Sebastian Bach, used to write on every composition, "To the glory of God."
We all have gifts from God, those who give Him the glory for these gifts belong to Him.
Rowing version of last week's run WOD; stuck in the house today.
Wow! pretty interesting photo of the hunter and his "trophy" that he ate so it would make people feel better and justify the kill. I personally would have liked him to at least say here is a trophy Dall sheep,(maybe it wasn't a trophy,I'm not sure)i killed on a hunt in alaska, and maybe go on about what he went through to get to that point, for me the story would have concluded with i shot these photos of this animal from within 10 meters using this type of equipment. I'm sure this hunter of food for his family knows to hunt what is plentiful at certain times to ensure being able to store enough for the months when wildlife is scarce, and any hunter for food knows that you want to expend as little energy as possible while collecting food to eat for your family.
when you become connected with the natural world around you everything changes,i'm sure that every hunter who feels connected and kills to eat has deep feelings for the cycle he is connected to and understands what i am saying, and there will no longer be any photo ops needed, or killing which is not needed, that is when you start to blend in with everything and you change. congratulations to the hunter i would have had to be rescued after getting lost in 30 minutes and i am glad people can talk about what they feel, it's important to understand where others are coming from,i believe that no one living thing is more important than another living thing, it's all the same, if you think about that then look at how we treat the animals we eat it's pretty disturbing,for me anyway.
Also as a side note is Rob Orlando from another planet? Does anyone remember what planet superman was from i think he may be from there.
Bingo, you and I discovered CF at about the same time. Me from the MJ article. I remember having a conversation with you and Dale Saran on the Message Board about alternate CFTs. We.all three, former residents of the biggest little state in the Union. I also miss the small community. I'll never go to an affiliate so the message board is it for me. Funny that Dave Castro discovered it the same time as us!!
Exactly, Jay! For a community that advocates a paleo diet there is an unusually high number of squeamish folk on this thread.
It's a beautiful picture, Chris. Far more beautiful than your typical industrial type slaughterhouse.
@rmoore, rob, et al who think the hunter is posing with a trophy, after having bloodying his hands in a show of manliness, etc. You are assuming as much about his motives and inentions as those who paste labels on the anti-meat crowd are about them. You don't know that he killed this animal out of machismo, or posted the photo as a trophy. He may simply be proud of a difficult accomplishment. Or he may be smiling because he finally gets to eat.
I'm not a hunter, don't own guns, and have never killed anything bigger than a jackrabbit, and that was under the wheels of my mini van. I was a vegetarian from the age of 13 to the age of 31, more because of fears about food contamination and bad fats rather than empathy for the tortured factory animals, although that was part of it. But as an archaeologist, I do know that I am part of a lineage of people who have been hunting and fishing for food for at least 400,000 years, and that until about 500 years ago this was how more than 95% of the people in the world got their protein. And they didn't do it "humanely", either, not on any continent. Forcing an animal to die of blood loss or overheating after chasing it for hours/days on end was more common. Even farmers and pastoralists (e.g. Masai) used to slaughter their own animals with their own hands--still do in some places. Realizing that someone may admire a beast or even feel gratitude toward it, even as he/she kills and eats it, opens your mind up to ponder the apparent paradox. I love the mystery of that.
When that photo was first posted there was a world of possibilities to consider. Who is this guy, how did he come to be in the photo with the dead bighorn sheep, what were his intentions and feelings? How does he integrate this activity with his CrossFit philosophy? A few hours later, in the comments section, most of the possibilities have been ignored. Now there are only two possibilities, both of which are rather flat and two-dimensional. What a lack of imagination.
I believe that hunting and slaughtering animals for food is a transformative experience. CrossFit has been a very transformative eperience for me, and for most of you. Could it be that there is a relationship between these two kinds of personal transformations? Could that help us understand the photo (those of us who don't have the advantage of a hunting background, and who are therefore pretty clueless about it)?
A big part of hunting is concerned with the proper management of wild populations. The way nature handles it is overgrowth and starvation.
It's not necessary to go out hunting yourself to appreciate that there is a lot of science that goes into the Fish and Wildlife Bureau's management of wild herds.
The idea that this guy just got up one day and decided to walk out his front door to kill a poor innocent animal proves that there may be some of us that need to get out of the city a little more often. (The movie Bambi is not how it really is in the wild).
I always enjoy your "musings"!
Crossfit featured zerohedge.com. THIS IS AWESOME. I knew everything was interconnected.
I love PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals
Sheep meat is very tasty. Great job Chris! I worked for a hunting guide service in the Cassiar Mts in. BC. Sheep hunting is hard work. Wish I had done CF back then!
Well I've been vegan for over a decade and while I'd rather not see the picture, I infinitely prefer someone going out and hunting an animal that has had a natural, free life over buying parts from abused, diseased animals at the supermarket.
To those who think shoveling compost is more appropriate than posing with trophy animals: Please send in good pictures of yourself working in your garden in a Crossfit Tshirt. The picture will be more "postable" if it shows that your garden is located in a beautiful mountainous area miles away from the nearest paved road. Also, I recall a picture of a trophy pumpkin appearing about a month ago, so the site is actually quite balanced.
Strong work! You are a machine in all aspects of your life. You never fail to continue to amaze me with your adventures.
To all of the naysayers out the, Chris is the real deal. Just about the most down to earth person that you will ever meet, a inspiration to everyone at Crossfit Alaska (I really miss that place!) and just a beast of an adventurer. Finding the lost and injured in peacetime and war is just another day at the office for Chris. When he says that he is grateful for nature's bounty, you can rest assured that his hunt was compassionate and respectful in every sense.
Awesome pic. Love the view in the background.
I think we should be allowed to 'hunt' criminals.
That would clean up the country quite a big. Would save BILLIONS of dollars that is pumped into the baby-sitting of criminals by placing them in so-called prisons... where, mind you, they have no bills, get three meals a day, get visits, and sometimes even get paid to work. They have it better off than we do.
But then if we hunt all the criminals, and all the jails close... i wouldn't have a job!
Btw, I threw up today working out, first time. Sucked, and was kinda fun at the same time.
As rx'd, 6:51.
30 seconds off PR. At my parents' house in SLC. Good effort, but round of 50 DUs tripped me up. Unbroken DUs after that. Sit-ups got slow upon fatigue, but were essentially unbroken.
Tim O, chill baby. Maybe you need to hit a WOD.
I don't always agree with mainsite posts, but I love Crossfit, and have no problems wading through the stuff I don't like. Plus, it's always interesting to see stuff from another's point of view.
"A way of seeing is a way of not seeing."
Meat is murder.
Tasty, tasty murder.
Wow. Am more than a bit perplexed at how a hunting picture brought out so many haters?
Meanwhile, in my little upstate NY CrossFit barn, I am getting back on track, playing catch-up:
Five rounds for time of:
Row 500 meters
135 pound Thruster, 7 reps
Scaled Thrusters to 115#: 16:28
I love CrossFit.
I don't recall sheep meat being a common thing to eat. Seems as rare as eating bear meat.
Comment #73 - Posted by: Lan at December 5, 2010 12:21 AM
Mutton rare? Hummm..and yeah bear meat is rare, but I love it. Sauerbraten anyone?
Hunt people, it's more sporting. Sign up at your nearest recruiting office.
#122 - i couldn't have said it better myself.
NICE KILL CHRIS!!
I missed saturdays WOD as I was skiing in Killington, VT. Thanks to CF my legs were in great shape all day. I got a little burn after a short bump section but recovered real quick. Usually my first few days my legs get tired and burn and my back will be sore. That is not the case anymore. Thanks CF!
Chris, nice kill man. No need to listen to all the haters. I think a guy by the name of Darwin said something like "Survival of the fittest" Maybe Darwin was the original Crossfitter!
nice shot! that will make a nice head mount. i bet caring him out of there was fun lol
Enough with the hunting... EU politics. Anyone got a way to fill me in front to back?
HQ, keep the controversy flowing. I just wish you would post something that I DIDN'T like so that I would be put in an uncomfortable spot and have yet ANOTHER opportunity to expand my comfort zone.
Why would a gentleman who makes it a point to say he is not a "Trophy Hunter" pose for a photo with the lifeless body of the animal he just murdered?
Steve Cole deserves a tip of the hat. Well said. It's refreshing to read the thoughts of an open, and intelligent, mind from time to time.
okay, let me get this straight...
it's not okay for Crossfit.com to post incredible hunting photos, but it's just fine and dandy to post photos of military folks most days...killing animals versus killing people...face it, crossfit is all about survival, which means fighting for food and power in the long-run and short-run.
Face reality crossfitters. You love it too, you just can't admit it or just haven't realized it yet.
And to Chris - looks like you are WAY the hell up that mountain! Incredible hike up and down I bet. And what a shot that must have been. I was in Alaska recently and those sheep are so far away from normal or even stretching-it human-accessible terrain. Wow. And what a shot with the glacier in the background. Beautiful job.
What does hunting, or shooting stuff, have to do with crossfit or exercise? I would understand if Chris ran that thing down, strangled it to death, then did some some kb swings with it, but he probably shot it. And I doubt he ate it, so this isn't about survival. Can we stop putting up shots of dead animals?
It seems like it would be safe to say that putting up shots of dead people (killed by service members who do crossfit) would make more sense, but I think everyone would agree that that would be inappropriate.
If crossfit is about survival, as previously commented, why post pictures of dead animals?
I've hiked alaska, and carried dead weight. Chris earned that meal fair and square. Before you complain about hunting pictures, think about how much corn this ram ate compared to your average protein on the supermarket shelf.
Grass fed/free range meat is MUCH HIGHER IN OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS CROSSFITTERS...eat more of it and you could stop taking those huge doses of fish oil.
These animals are carefully monitored, and states have hunting seasons and bag limits for good reasons - to keep populations thriving.
Do us all a favor and concentrate your anti-hunting sentiments toward regimes and countries that do not protect majestic animals like this.
Its not a Bighorn, its a thinhorn sheep also known as a Dall sheep.
There are five types of sheep in North America, there are quite a few more sub species on almost all the other continents.
Sheep hunting is seen as the penultimate Hunting experience, not only due the great difficulty, extreme remoteness and general lack of success, but for many the $35 000-$300 000 price tag that goes along with such a hunt. For many this would be a once in a lifetime experience.
A lot of money that comes from Hunting this species is used to conserve its status...No, Hunters aren't responsible for its demise...that honour is left to the humble domestic sheep, which give wild sheep fatal pneumonia. And many,many wild bighorn sheep have died from this. Luckily we hunters know and care about this majestic animal and its conservation, as do many nature lovers of course.
Sheep meat is the most amazing wild game meat you'll ever eat. It tastes somewhere between lamb and fillet.
It tastes especially good up there....where very few of you have or ever will go.
And because its a challenge its an accomplishment..aka it fits into the manliness category.
And Crossfit is ALL about accomplishment.
"or digging up some pumpkins, or whatever. That's more directly functional!"
Posted by Anton at December 4, 2010 6:35 PM
What's more functional (or Fundamental) than directly providing food for your table??
"How on earth does Crossfit make him a better hunter?"
Posted by Erik at December 4, 2010 5:48 PM
"What does hunting, or shooting stuff, have to do with crossfit or exercise?"
Comment #129 - Posted by: J. Gerber at December 5, 2010 8:33 PM
Oy!! *Slap forehead*
Hunting Big Horn Sheep is one of the hardest, most physically and mentally demanding hunts you can undertake.
There are a Very small % of people who have the physical & mental endurance to handle a hunt like that ... I know from experience that I don't.
Thank you Chris for the photo, Crossfit for stirring up some conversation and getting my ass in shape!
I agree with Tim. (what happened to his post?)
Everybody grown man and woman has to come to terms with what they believe some day, and if one has found a way to justify hunting, very well.
But the pictures obviously feel offensive to some. Why ignore, or worse, completely silence those voices?
In such a context, pictures of this sort DO feel inflammatory.
when hunting in those conditions you have to be in great shape, also they are very good eating.
glad to see crossfit post these kind of pictures.
keep them coming.
So the photo's should be censored?
Because they offend someone?
That is only appeasing the other view point.
There are a lot of people that don't like Crossfit, and who think we are just a fitness cult, and are out to hurt people with over training, and "dangerous" exercises.
Should we then yield to their point of view and not be outgoing motivated crossfitters simply because our existence offends them?
Or because they ignorant of the truth?
Politically correct(Liberal,Secular)positions are always(yes I said always) devoid of perspective and key facts.
Post #131 brought some facts to the table about conservation. Conservation is supported mainly by hunters. Hunters know more and will do more to manage an eco-system than anyone else.
Truth is the mother of all hatred they say.
The truth being, that the hunter is living life with nature and simply being part of the food chain and enjoying this incredible world we live on.
The result of the "prey" being eaten is so natural you environmentalist should be applauding him.
Not condemning him because your uncomfortable with guns. Or the thought of actually getting your hands bloody putting a steak on the table.
In response to Dave-
This is a website about exercise, not hunting. It is a stretch to connect the photo of a dead ram to nutrition... Doubtful the web host thought "what a nutritious meal. We should post that." The real though process was more like, "That guy is wearing a crossfit t-shirt. Let's post it." Which makes me think, should I submit a photo of the guy in line for coffee wearing a crossfit t? Probably won't get posted.
I'm not anti-hunting, in fact I've been on an elk hunt and love eating meat, especially meat that was raised locally. I have a lot of respect for people who do it the old fashioned way and get out to earn their food. I'd love to read about that... on a hunting site. However, it seems pretty logical for a site about exercise to stick to exercise content.
Dave, I also question your willingness to categorize anti-hunting comments as somehow un-American or somehow questing a "regime." Which regime am I questioning? I'm not a patriot because I don't want to look at hunting photos on a website? Go read a book. Politics and being American can't be simplified to singular issues, such as hunting.
Why is this picture bringing so much hate. As long as the hunting is done for food, it is the most natural thing in the world.
Nature is not nice and friendly. Animals die a violent and gruesome death every day to fill some other animal menu. It is never pretty, it just is. I feel sorry for the animals being coralled, fed crap, raised under artificial lights etc.
Sharks went hunting in Egypt a couple of days ago, and now we are going to kill the sharks, because they hunted a human, who invaded their enviroment as a lower member of a foodchain, while sharks did what sharks do - hunted.
Killing those sharks is ethicaly questionable, although understandable why - tourism in the region etc. Killing a wild goat and eating it afterwards is not ethicaly questionable in any way.
#136 J. Gerber
As a Crossfitter for 4 yr, it always amazes me at the nonsense that people get "wrapped around the axel" about on this site, but I can't help myself to comment to you.
First I am an avid hunter and outdoorsman, live in SC where we hunt for food, sport, and to suppress our desire to "hunt" liberals (I'm joking). Second, I am a Crossfitter who consumes mostly Paleo quality food.
I think you are flat wrong in your assumption that the only reason the photo is posted because of the CF tshirt and not for the example of the activity portrayed and its relevence to fitness.
Wild game is the most nutritious and possibly the most complete example of Paleo quality protein on the planet. Besides that, the physical effort it takes to stalk, kill, quarter, and backpack out of that terrrain is an exceptional example of how functional fitness benefits real people.
Btw, I agree that hunting is not American, Political, Conservative, or whatever......Its HUMAN, you just happen to be living in a 20-30 window of human history where we fail to realize that.
Me, I'd much rather eat totally packaged and processed meat that doesn't resemble any sort of animal, just bright red blobs in cellophane. My meat should be raised in giant corporate feedlots which are subsidized by huge tax subsidizes, corn-fed so that the Omegas are all out of balance, slaughtered by the thousands with waste streams that go miles away from the factories... That way i can have cheap Mcdonalds hamburgers that are rapidly making me and the rest of America fatter and less healthy than any other country in the world!
ok, so i'm being a bit facetious... Its scary that hunting become counter culture in so many ways! Great job for supporting counter culture Chris!
A massive thank you to all the trainers at the Crossfit London cert, Karl, Mads, Oliver, Steve, Jami, Matt, Chris and Anne! In particularly to Dr Steve who undeniably changed my life ;-) after I kicked him in the balls and later punched him in the sternum showing my true appreciation for getting me through/passing my Crossfit cert! I really did have a corker of a time, met some amazing people, and truly learnt Crossfit IS the way forward!!!! I feel very privileged to have had some input from Chris and Anne, watching them both do a WOD was inspiring/awesome! Thanks Again!!!
Not only is he exhausted from the hunt but now he has to dress this animal and pack it out of there before some grizzly shows up.
#100- love the comment about the gifts we are givin from the Lord, so true keep those up, people need to hear it. Well said #125!!
i love this picture! love the idea of hunter gatherer! i hunt fish and gather! because i like the better protein!
as for the work out, he has hunted and gathered, now his workout is packing the meat out!
THANK YOU CF! keep up the good work!
haha, great Pic! Did anyone notice that he was wearing a USAF Pararescue hat??? Those guys are probably the highest trained operators in the Spec Ops community and they have a unit in Alaska. No doubt, Crossfit is essential for their job performance!
great pancakes! :)
awesome story by vonnegut.
Great pic Chris!
Cant believe ANYONE can look at it and say "what relevance does CF have to do with this".
LOOK AT THE TERRAIN PEOPLE!
To me a night and day difference between this and the bear pic which i personally wasnt down with....
Chris, awesome sheep! I'm a flatlander starting to get geared up for a sheep hunt. Are those soft shell pants you're wearing? Who made them and what do you think of them?
Hunting is not sustainable... in other words, if everyone on the planet decided tomorrow that hunting was the way to go, there'd be no animals left on the planet within a short amount of time. So, for everyone that advocates hunting as a way of life... you might need to reassess.
I don't know why the site likes to posts these types of pictures. I do beleive there's a group of advocates for hunting, et al that work for the site, which is why we see more of this than some of us would care for. So, there's an obvious bias within the sites management. I mean, you don't see anything that supports extreme liberal views being post... they always bend towards extreme conservative views.
Hunting is sustainable due to the fact that not everyone on the planet is capable or willing to get off their tail to hunt and gather their meals. My question is whether or not the current food system is truly sustainable. Mass producing for the masses in order to weaken any form of true self reliance is not having a positive impact on the human race. Just look at the rising obesity epidemic in this country which is always blamed on some sort of genetic predisposition which never existed prior to the last couple of generations. Oh, wait this is strictly a fitness based site. I probably shouldn't have expressed a non fitness related opinion, my bad.
First time I have ever posted here.
What a great ram and a fantastic view!!! Dall Sheep hunting is the ultimate experience. Grizzly bears outside your tent, nasty steep stuff, not enough food and you still drag yourself out of the tent every morning.
I would bet 80% of the people above posting up negative comments could not and would not be able to get their butts up there let alone mash it out for the time it takes. Paleo my foot.
I am definitely buying a Crossfit T-shirt and next fall I am sending in photo after photo of me chasing wild critters in wilder country.
A old timer told me once"If you gave 90% of the population a steer and a knife they would starve to death".
See ya on the mountain.
"Hunting is not sustainable... in other words, if everyone on the planet decided tomorrow that hunting was the way to go, there'd be no animals left on the planet within a short amount of time. So, for everyone that advocates hunting as a way of life... you might need to reassess"
Clearly you have never hunted anything in your life and have no idea what you are talking about.
1.) Hunting ,at least in the US, is tightly regulated to ensure the survival and in fact heath of the various hunted animals.
2.) Hunting is HARD. I suspect if everyone on the planet had to hunt for their food there would be a lot fewer people on the planet.
3.) The people that were actually able to hunt successfully would be in much better health
Comment #27 - Posted by: Lawrence = nail on the head.
Hayes wants a "diverse community" as long as it fits his description.
To those bitching about these pictures creating friction on here. Isn't that a good thing as long as it creates health debate? Seems like a good opportunity for people to open their minds and learn from each other.
Nice ram Chris!
I'm really confused. We eat meat. How else should we eat it if we don't kill it? So confused. This blog war has done nothing except make me hungry.
Pancakes are awesome! I used bananas instead of blueberries and replaced the almond butter with all natural peanut butter cause I didn't have any. Good stuff.
Let me guess.....Vegans? There's something about watching your future meal, die out. I know, I know, that's harsh. Do you think your meat from the store died of natural causes in its sleep? Nope it too was killed!
People eating tasty animals.
@ #58...you will be tickling your meat to death! HAHAHAHAHA! So have I, my friend, so have I. (my meat, not yours)
The backlash to the picture is not so much about vegetarianism, but the visceral shock of seeing such a beautiful and majestic animal bloodied and limp beneath the guy that killed it.
For #159 - To the victor go the spoils !
I love the controversy. biologically the death of a plant is no different then that of an animal. We are simply taking energy from another organism and transforming it so our bodies can use it for energy. This happens regardless of what is consumed plant or animal. I would bring the vegan argument further and say that unless you can generate energy through photosynthesis then you have still killed an organism every time you eat.