October 2, 2010

Saturday 101002

Rest Day


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"Isabel-Off" at the CrossFit/USAW Open: Josh Everett 1:06, Dave Lipson 1:06.

"Positive Self-Talk: Defining Your Terms" with Greg Amundson, CrossFit Journal preview video [wmv] [mov]

Highlights from the CrossFit Sports Series Stand-Up Paddling Event - video [wmv] [mov]

Watch the Free Live Coverage of the CrossFit/USAW Weightlifting Open.

Robert Schumann, Concert Piece for four Horns and Orchestra in F major op. 86.

T.S. Eliot - The Waste Land.

"A Tsunami Approaches: The Beginning of the Great Deconstruction" by Robert J. Cristiano, New Geography.

Post thoughts to comments.

Posted by lauren at October 2, 2010 5:00 PM

can we get video of the Isabel off?!!??!

Comment #1 - Posted by: Clinton at October 1, 2010 5:12 PM

Its available at SicFit

Awesome picture. Hoping the webcast quality is a little higher for tomorrow.

Comment #2 - Posted by: Shane Jensen (M/23/5'11"/184) at October 1, 2010 5:17 PM

Excellent video. Looks like they had a blast. What a great environment for the kids to be around.
Love it.

Comment #3 - Posted by: Ronnieboy at October 1, 2010 5:22 PM

Thata boy Josh!

Comment #4 - Posted by: Jamo at October 1, 2010 5:25 PM

Love the Sport Series video. Best ever.
Pleeeease fix the live streaming for theCF/USAW by tomorrow!!! It's not working for anyone I know.

Comment #5 - Posted by: Christin at October 1, 2010 5:27 PM

Great Sport Seried vid!
Pleeeeease fix the live streaming by tomorrow! It's not working for so many of us!

Comment #6 - Posted by: Christin at October 1, 2010 5:28 PM

Looked like fun . . . but --since when does spilling a beer all over yourself necessitate a win?? party fail=DQ!

Comment #7 - Posted by: apollo at October 1, 2010 5:32 PM

As if they tied! I've got a feeling that each of them missed a rep or two to put them over 60 sec. Still, that amount of work that fast is very impressive. Kudos to the mental toughness to never put the bar down.

Comment #8 - Posted by: harry at October 1, 2010 5:35 PM

i've counted and dave missed 2 reps while josh didn't miss a single one, to bad for dave but they are both winners anyway

Comment #9 - Posted by: nick m at October 1, 2010 6:00 PM

you can see Spealler do the triplet over at sicfit too!

Comment #10 - Posted by: sam_r at October 1, 2010 6:06 PM

Would have been so cool to watch the Isabel comp. live. Too bad the feed was chopped up and unwatchable and then totally didn't work at all.

Comment #11 - Posted by: Saddy McSadderson at October 1, 2010 6:30 PM

Awesome... can't wait to watch the Isabelle-off.

Also awesome shirt by Josh, rockin the Crossfit Faith!

Comment #12 - Posted by: Mel/37m/5'10"/175 at October 1, 2010 6:39 PM

After two heros and yesterdays workoutI'm going to need this rest day.... what am i talking about i bet by mid afternoon i will be ready for a workout.... thinking Cindy...

Comment #13 - Posted by: JBarr 28/6'/200 at October 1, 2010 7:37 PM

"Highlights from the CrossFit Sports Series Stand-Up Paddling Event - video"

Drinking beer as part of a WOD. Now that right there has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Those of you who think that was cool are complete idiots!

Comment #14 - Posted by: -=Gar=- at October 1, 2010 8:07 PM

I have a question concerning oct. 1's workout. On the clean and jerk, is there a squat in between the clean and the jerk movement? So I think I'm asking is the clean a squat clean or just a clean? I am completely new to the olympic lifts so thanks for the help

Comment #15 - Posted by: tyler duniho at October 1, 2010 8:14 PM

@ Tyler:

It is for max weight so whatever you can lift more with. Once you know what you are doing, you can clean more with a squat clean, but for a lot of beginners power cleans are easier. If you can power clean more, then do that, but start working on proper olympic lifts and you will soon see you have to pull yourself under to receive the bar as the weights get heavy.

Comment #16 - Posted by: Nick at October 1, 2010 8:32 PM

No archives tonight for day 1? Bummer!

Comment #17 - Posted by: Ben Edelen at October 1, 2010 9:57 PM

I don't understand the difference between "Isabel" and "Grace." I watched them lift from the ground, bring to chest and head level, then press it over head. It is the same with Grace. Is Isabel with a wide grip and Grace with narrow? It's not a snatch they are doing with a push jerk at the top. If you can jerk it up like they both were, then it's a clean and jerk. I'm really curious what separates the two workouts?

Comment #18 - Posted by: Greg P at October 1, 2010 10:51 PM

Grace is 30 C&J's for time...so ground to overhead in 2 motions. Isabel is 30 Snatches...ground to overhead in 1 motion.

Comment #19 - Posted by: Mike at October 1, 2010 11:45 PM

Thanks, I guess there lies my confusion their Isabel was NOT one motion. Even the cool picture on the main site shows that in order to complete the rep he has to finish that push press. If you can press/push out reps in Isabel then from my understanding the only difference between the two wods is grip width.

Comment #20 - Posted by: Greg P at October 2, 2010 12:22 AM

Another example of CrossFit not being strict with movements they specify. A little integrity is being lost every time this happens.

I can understand losing form to maintain high intensity in some WODS but not completely changing the movement in a sanctioned comp. More surprising is the judges allow it.

If aspiring to be good or comparable to olympic lifters, lift like one. The boundaries are certainly becoming more and more smudged.

Comment #21 - Posted by: Dave at October 2, 2010 1:00 AM


Comment #22 - Posted by: amped 36/M/195/6' at October 2, 2010 5:45 AM

23 comments in and more frustrating than ever.

Beer at a fun event...shocking!
Complaining about the standards on 1:06 Isabel...really?
Hmm, maybe some technical difficulties with the FREE live feed...I'm sure everyone involved is NOT trying to fix it.

Please be flexible.

Comment #23 - Posted by: rencol at October 2, 2010 6:35 AM

@ # 23 rencol


calm down a bit guys!

Comment #24 - Posted by: Anders - Denmark at October 2, 2010 6:45 AM

@Greg P

In Isabel a press-out at the top is allowed, but it's still one motion in that you can't rest it on your shoulders, unlike the C&Js in Grace. The point of this isn't about lifting the bar with good form, (ie the most efficient way) but to move the bar between 2 points as fast as possible. It's getting a fixed amount of work done as fast as possible.

Comment #25 - Posted by: Mike Black at October 2, 2010 7:07 AM

Finally, an exercise I can keep pace and probably beat the best of CF in. Beer drinking!

Comment #26 - Posted by: Spelhaug52 at October 2, 2010 8:48 AM

The event coverage is good 2 go!


Comment #27 - Posted by: rencol at October 2, 2010 8:59 AM

The stream starts of just like it ended yesterday.
That is, as fluent as a slideshow.

Comment #28 - Posted by: Björn at October 2, 2010 9:01 AM

Burgener Warm Up

Snatch 1RM
185x0 (Cut the pull short and missed it)
180x1 (PR)

Clean and Jerk 1RM
240x0 (Cut the pull short and missed it)
235x0 (Got elbows through at the bottom but weight sat me down)
233x0 (Hit the clean, missed the jerk)

Comment #29 - Posted by: Shane Jensen (M/23/5'11"/186) at October 2, 2010 9:33 AM

#25 Thanks for you response, I read and understand your comment. I am most certainly not concerned with form or any standards, how they choose to lift the bar is their business. I was just understanding a point of logic. The C&J in Grace allows one to bring the bar to shoulder height then press it over head AND the movement in Isabel allows you to bring the bar to head level and press it over head. Simply put, in order for the press out to happen, the bar comes to a momentary stop for the individual to change bar path direction and press it out over head.

There is simple no way to say Isabel is one movement. The picture up top shows this point exactly.

In both movements there is a clean and jerk or press. Clean height is irrelevant, it does not matter if you finish your pull at you knees and get under it, or finish at eye level and get under it. It's still and clean and jerk/press. Which leaves grip width as the only clue to the particular wod.

Comment #30 - Posted by: Greg P at October 2, 2010 9:34 AM

The article on the spending tsunami brings up some great points. I think our debt and deficit are the biggest threats to our national security. But I think some of the quoted statistics may be misleading, particularly the one that says that public sector workers are compensated twice as much as private sector workers. As a government employee, I know first hand that I earn less in total compensation than my private sector counterparts. My job offers from private engineering companies hands down outweighed the public offers in total compensation.

As for the facts on California, I think these are the reasons why its one of the worst off states in the union, and was one of the first to red light for bankruptcy.

I think the quoted ways that the OC city is making progress may not be the best idea though. Not replacing your talent in the workforce will solve the problem in the short term, but when you all of a sudden dont have a single firefighter under the age of 40, you will be hard put to bring in more and train them. Additionally, outsourcing work and hiring contractors is most times more expensive. Many of them charge $225/hr when an employee would be making $30/hr.

All in all, it will only get worse as more baby boomers retire and they look to people in our generation to support them, even though they outnumber us.

Comment #31 - Posted by: Ed W at October 2, 2010 10:20 AM


Made up yesterday's WOD:

power snatch 53 kg.
power c & j 75 kg.

AMRAP with 95# sq clean, 4rds + 4 sc.

Total 284


CFSB back squat, 3 X 5

120, 140, 140

12 minute AMRAP of:

5 pull-ups
10 push-ups
15 double unders

10 rounds even.

Comment #32 - Posted by: Carole at October 2, 2010 11:02 AM

I don't think you can change the status quo without removing the coercive monopoly on employment which the unions now hold. Unions based on cooperation and not the coercive power of state and federal laws would be fine - the current laws give unions power to use the state against the citizenry. In that end, that arrangement will hurt everyone involved.

Comment #33 - Posted by: Apolloswabbie 072 210 46yoa at October 2, 2010 11:27 AM

Beer drinking was done in the finals, not in every heat. But even if it WAS done in every heat, is it really that horrible to have a little extra fun doing a WOD? Those who didn't want to chug a beer had the option of chugging a carbonated water.

Technical difficulties happen--deal with it. This is FREE live streaming coverage. Quit yer snivelin' you ungrateful whiners!

Comment #34 - Posted by: Sarah at October 2, 2010 11:44 AM

300 rounded down. as rx.ed

Comment #35 - Posted by: Mad Science at October 2, 2010 12:20 PM

On the isabel video on sicfit there's someone who commented : "Totally pointless. You guys need to hit the gym and do some biceps curls for real. You think all those silly snatches are gonna do anything. Jesus you guys act like power output means something" and I just couldnt stop laughing on my floor for like 10 minutes !!!!! what a funny guy LOLLLLLLLLLLL

Comment #36 - Posted by: PPSP at October 2, 2010 12:59 PM

Over the past several decades, our political establishment came to the very uninformed conclusion that government is (was) a growth industry. Coupled with that, the vast majority of Americans have become complacent, acceptant and expectant of the same. A conversation I just heard this morning was regarding a huge new primary school with turf fields and tennis courts and two moms talking about how great it was. Well, yeah, but it has to be paid for and maintained by someone now and now doing so becomes a problem.

European austerity programs are killing the general population. They have become so accustomed to services provided by governnment that they cannot accept the reality of necessary cutbacks.

Whenever cutbacks are proposed for public services, immediately the "scare factor" is the first thing the opponents bring out (less police, fire fighters, increased classrom size, shuttered schools, etc, etc). That's due to a lack of creative thinking by the politicians and public employees. Face it: We HAVE to change the course of the services provided by our tax dollar and be ready to cut the things out that never should have been allowed. This is not a party issue: this is reality and the sooner the two parties come to the conculsion that current government spending and provisions are not sustainable, the better.

Comment #37 - Posted by: bill/51m/6ft/207 at October 2, 2010 1:08 PM


Comment #38 - Posted by: DJ at October 2, 2010 1:12 PM

Greg P:
You don't seem to grasp the difference between the two workouts. Grace utilizes the clean and jerk whereas Isabel utilizes the Snatch.
A clean is gripped just outside of the legs, the brought is brought the shoulders and then pressed or jerked to an overhead lockout position.

The snatch begins with a much wider grip almost at the collars. The bar is then lifted to an overhead position in one movement without stopping at the shoulders. The bar be received in a squat position ( ie " squat snatch" or "full snatch"). If the bar is received at a point above parallel and not continued down to a squat, then it is termed a power snatch. The exact same movement can applied to a clean as well. In a power snatch, you finish the lift by standing to full extension. In some cases if the elbows are not locked out there may be some amount of "press out", but a snatch does not have a significant press component if all goes well. In Isabel there may be some press outs but it would totally different than the press to overhead in Grace.

Does that clear up the difference between the two movements?


Comment #39 - Posted by: Bryan K at October 2, 2010 1:46 PM

24 / M / 5'9" / 135lbs

Shoulder press 3-3-3-3-3-3-3


I had a weird twinge or spasm in my upper back during some of the reps, so I didn't go nuts with the weight.

Comment #40 - Posted by: BC at October 2, 2010 2:56 PM

"Over the past several decades, our political establishment came to the very uninformed conclusion that government is (was) a growth industry."

Actually the opposite is true. You need to check your facts instead of parroting propaganda. I suggest you actually look at the numbers rather than have them fed to you. Look at the size of government relative to the size of the economy and you see no public sector growth.

All the budget problems are caused by health care costs. The private sector has the same problem. It's not about govt failing or being too big. That's an ideological distortion. Health care costs are exploding. The market based solution to that problem is to deny health care to people who can't pay for it. That's not acceptable to any developed country so govt intervention is inevitable.

The current deficit is high because tax rates are at a 60 year low. Spending spiked because unemployment benefits, food stamps and medicaid spending increased due to the severe recession. Govt spending on investment and consumption is not particularly high.

Comment #41 - Posted by: Jerry at October 2, 2010 5:07 PM


Your point is logical, principled, but theoretical. The history of labour struggles (1900-1945) suggests that employers used the coercive power of the state to break labour action, it also suggests that employers will hire for coercive power if the state is slow in providing it to them. The history of labour struggles since 1950 suggests that both employers and workers will seek to use the coercive power of the state for their gain.

Power struggles as they occur in history do not obey principles (despite what Marx might say) - sometimes they pound like a hammer, sometime they swing like a pendulum. Thankfully, with the intervention of the state, labour contests since 1950 have been swinging like a pendulum - perhaps today the pendulum needs to swing a little to the 'right'. But lets not go back to the days of the hammer - the days of pitched battles in the name of property rights on one hand, and workers rights on the other.

Comment #42 - Posted by: Prolix at October 2, 2010 8:41 PM

The Wasteland is the most difficult rest-day reading I have seen on this site in since I first came to it five years ago - DNF (see http://eliotswasteland.tripod.com/ for version with some explanatory notes).

Comment #43 - Posted by: Prolix at October 2, 2010 9:02 PM

Needed rest day for 17 hour flight. Shoulders feeling better but entire day wasted with time change.

Comment #44 - Posted by: PhilH m/40/5'10'/205/Crossfit Bday: 10 Sep 10 at October 3, 2010 7:38 AM

35 yom 205 bwt

5k row @ a damper of 5
time 18:51

Comment #45 - Posted by: brian t at October 3, 2010 10:46 AM


Here's something for you to consider:

The years you're adding to your life by CrossFitting are probably being taken away at an exponential rate due to your extremely negative outlook on life.

Comment #46 - Posted by: anneke marvin at October 3, 2010 3:11 PM

Stand-up Boarding; Looked great at first, the video and the event... but frat-party cheering and chugging, then having one of the female "grownups" blow chunks (2:15) is a real wholesome message for all those kids at the event. This wasn't even the after-party. I'm sure the kids get the message; They should all aspire to get ripped, try new sports, and chug in front of a crowd.

It surely attracted new people to the group, families especially.

Comment #47 - Posted by: A Father of Youngin's at October 4, 2010 5:46 AM

i am glad crossfit doesnt shy away from good dialogue on pressing issues

Comment #48 - Posted by: Chris Everett at October 4, 2010 7:41 AM

Too much spillage on the Stand up paddle boarding beer drinking!!! Repeat. Those weren't all kids, some were little people and only a couple kids chugged the beer when their parents weren't watching.

Comment #49 - Posted by: Sting M/45/69"/160 at October 4, 2010 10:04 AM
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