March 24, 2010
"High Hang Snatch:" Owen Franks from the New Zealand All Blacks trains with Mike Burgener, a CrossFit Journal preview video [wmv] [mov]
Day 2 Highlights from the 2010 CrossFit Games Hawaii Sectionals - video [wmv] [mov]
David Morgan breaks a "World CrossFit Record" [sic] - YouTube
Read "Strong Circulation" by Geoffrey Norman, the Wall Street Journal.
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Posted by lauren at March 24, 2010 5:00 PM
Re: David Morgan-what's his Fran time?
World Record for King Kong?
Hardly. Where's the full range of motion?? His muscle-ups aren't even close, the squat cleans barely reached parallel and full hip extension at the top is arguable, and the HSPU were certainly not to full extension. And that's only the first round!
This is an incredibly strong individual- but I don't think you can count this performance as a "record".
I'd like to see what David's time would be with legit reps for comparison.
Deadlifts: He didn't finish any of the reps.
Muscle-ups: Kips to support, not muscle-ups.
Cleans: Didn't go below parallel, didn't stand up with his reps.
Handstand Push-ups: Nowhere near full extension.
Don't get me wrong, he's doing strong work nonetheless.
This guy is very strong and my hat's off to him but not a record. Josh E. is and Rob Orlando are still the best to me at "king kong". Full Range of motion is a must.
hate being a hater, but Jeff (#3) is right. were those real muscle-ups? 'cuz I think I can do that, and I suck at muscle ups
haha the microphone totally ruined the video for me.
great effort though.
there are gonna be a LOT of comments about that King Kong video...
to add to my previous comment, he is a beastly strong individual, making those lifts look way too easy.
i would like to see his time with full ROM. it may still be a record. that attempt however, should not be.
The first thing that I'll say is this:
David Morgan is a very strong, very good athlete. He pulled more off the floor than I can in the deadlift, and he cleaned far more off the floor than I can. What he did was very impressive.
However, if he were at an affiliate with a trainer watching him or at the games, I don't think that his time would have been what was shown. The deadlifts didn't quite lock out at the top, the muscle ups didn't have full lock out at the top (and the start of the movement is questionable too...), he let go of the cleans without standing up all of the way (there's a video of Greg A doing the same thing, they called him on not standing up with the weight), and the HSPUs didn't fully extend.
If I was his trainer (which I am not) at the affiliate he was part of, I would have to either a) call 'no' on a failed reps, or b) go over the video with him after he was done.
But, going back to what I said at the beginning, what he did was still pretty amazing. He and I aren't too different in weight, but he is much, much stronger than I am (best DL was a 345 I hit last year... working on it...), and I think with some minor corrections he could still hit a really fast time on King Kong.
I wonder if sometimes Coach posts videos with questionable performances in order to test us and have us critique the participant and ourselves. I know that I learned a lot by watching the vid, and that I'll need to be more careful with making sure that I complete each movement.
Those are some pretty sick pictures. Maybe I'll get to contribute to that one day =D
I would love to see David Morgan try this again with full range of motion.
Question: IF he was using full ROM, I was going to say that his muscle-ups look good to me, then realized with his roll at the bottom, he barely lowers his Centre of Gravity below the level of the rings - this should not count. Now IF he was locking out at the top and dropping to full extension with body lowered at the bottom, I think the kip to support movement should count....x mass, y distance (full ROM), divided by z time is what counts, not how pretty it is. Any SMEs (Subject Matter Experts) care to weigh in? JP out.
I don't blame David Morgan, he may not know much about CrossFit and how ROM is held in high regard. However, I do have an issue with the video being posted with the title "David Morgan breaks a World CrossFit Record". Obviously Morgan did not break anything close to a CrossFit record in that video with his ROM. It seems disrespectful to the current King Kong record holders whose ROM was not questioned.
This is an invalid King Kong. Not one of those reps was completed in full ROM.
Details provided in the previous 16 comments.
Ballin effort, but, like pointed out above, barely any of those reps were good ROM. I wouldn't call it a WR.
You have to realise,those cleans were like an empty bar for him,surely you can see the way it accelerates at the second pull ! if David Morgan was familiar with the standards,i don't think they would be a problem for him,it's obvious that he's not familiar with them at this point last year,and just blasted through the workout.3 time Olympian,5 times Commonwealth champ,U.K's best ever lifter.
that guy is strong as hell. yeah reps are a little sketchy but so what. finishing each rep might have added 3 or 4 seconds to his time.
Comment #11: "I wonder if sometimes Coach posts videos with questionable performances in order to test us and have us critique the participant and ourselves. I know that I learned a lot by watching the vid, and that I'll need to be more careful with making sure that I complete each movement."
Very interesting point. I think I have to agree. Look at the source of this video. It's a YouTube link. It's not produced by Crossfit at all. The gym is not a Crossfit affiliate. Go look at their website (http://www.beyourbest.co.uk/).
He needs to go to a qualifier and perform before he can claim he breaks a Crossfit world record ...
Gotta agree with #17, impressive video, but obviously shouldn't have been posted with the title of "world crossfit record"
Strong as all get out and I certainly have no place to comment on form, but...in the cert we learned about full hip extension, below parallel, and a very different looking Muscle-Up...
The snatch vid is good. Thanks.
Will have to check out that book, this dog gone day job!
Are you kidding me? Finishing each rep would have added much more than 3 or 4 seconds to his time, probably closer to 30 seconds. That is, if he could actually do a muscle-up.
#17 & #22 That is why the title "World CrossFit Record" has the "[sic]" after it. It's ment to discredit the claim to be a world record.
the term sic is to imply there is a grammatical fault that the author is quoting and to show that the error is not the author's.
It was a poor range of motion. Does it help him get bigger, stronger, and faster. As far as the sport of fitness, he would not be up to any standards and the shortened range of motion does not give him the full benefits.
i seem to remember people ripping apart Rhabdo when they put his fran video up. People tore him apart so much on his ROM that he did another video with HQ trainers judging him to make it legit. David Morgan is a beast in his own right, but his ROM isn't good in the video. However, I think the real issue isn't in the ROM, but in the claim that he holds the King Kong record.
The quote "World Crossfit Record" is taken directly from the online article that the words link to. Actually, the article says "WORLD CROSSFIT RECORD." This crossfit "record," along with other impressive stats are used as part of a longer narrative that tell this guy's story and promote his book and website.
Use of the phrase "sic" on the mainpage indicates that the quote was taken verbatim and that an error in the text was left unedited. I guess we can decide what the error is.
Also, that 1988 mustache and 200 Kg clean and jerk are epic, but he loses just about all of his man points with that smartcar in the beginning. yikes.
In regards to David Morgan. I don't think that we as a community need to harp on him, he doesn't do crossfit but was attempting something that looked fun/challenging and posted it on youtube. The person we should be harping on is the writer of the article who claimed it to be a world record, and a year after David posted it to youtube. David didn't make the claim that it was a world record. Take it easy on Morgan. He did phenomonally well at something I wish I could do.
Very impressive video, actually. The Guy clearly is very strong. The intimidating thing about KING KONG is the heavy weight on both of the lifts, and the gentleman in the video moves it with ease. So lets give him his due. Now we as crossfiters would not have accepted his form on the muscle-ups, or HSPU's, however he requires minor work on those two things and he may very well beat the world record KONG time out right.
as for Comment #14: Your attitude is not appreciated. If you are on a Crossfit witch-hunt you have come to the wrong place. Everyone but you posted a constructive critique of the video. That's why Crossfit is the phenomenon that it is, because we share Ideas and criticism in a constructive manner. Find somewhere else to gripe.
Totally off topic, but...
Has anyone out there ever heard of a CrossFitter getting a herniated cervical disk (HNP) from any of the types of workouts we do?
I ask, because I have one, and am trying to figure out if I need to stop doing any particular lifts. And I certainly can't stop doing them all.
Thanks, in advance, if you may have some info...
Yes, I believe the "sic" in this case indicates an error that is more than grammatical...
I like how Morgan do the Muscle ups nice thinking by his side he use his whole mommentum to get him self through the rings, I wouldn't have never though about that, i am going to give it a try just to reserve more energy, as far as the Hawai sectionals those guys really earn their plane ticket, those workouts were Brutal, the day i clean and jerk 155 pounds 60 times in a row Speal, Khalipa and Salo i am going to see you in the finals, coach Mike Burgener you are the man and i wish i would have someone like you to guide me in the right direction, nice videos and enjoy the rest day everybody.
#29 - I'm not sure a little car deducts from this guy's man points. Dude could be in a tutu and still out-man most of us.
Very impressive, entertaining display of strength. But I was also struck by what appeared to be incomplete reps and "unique" muscle ups.
You guys are a bit too wrapped up in this. Take a look at Josh's video. Were all of his HSPU's locked out? Did he fully lower on all of his MU's? No. Does that make it any less than an amazing performance? Now David Morgan's lack of ROM is more pronounced and more pervasive that Josh's. So Josh=official and David=not official? How about neither of them are official, they are both cool to watch, and everyone relaxes just a bit.
I can't believe Crossfit posted this video of the King Kong WOD...it goes against what they preach day in and day out...
Haha @ the [sic]. Josh Everett is still the man to beat. Though maybe not if David Morgan tries it again with full ROM.
The size of the car was fine. In fact I'm all for green living and reducing emissions and all that, but the car and its accompanying "artwork" were just fantastic, and by fantastic i mean awesome, and by awesome I mean really funny.
But you're probably right, even with the car this guy out-mans many; it was just a funny dichotomy.
stop hating on the guy's ROM and just appreciate the fact that he can still do what he does at that age...I wonder what he'd say about our proficiency on cleans and snatches
Also, I wonder if I would be able to clean 200kg if I grow a mustache like that
Looking forward to seeing David Morgan at the crossfit games this July. If he is as good as he wants us to believe he should walk away with the title.
Coach, why don't you offer him an entry?
Alright David Morgan. Very impressive.
#38-Lloyd. You hit the nail on the head there buddy.
While I do see ROM issues that would not count in a Games competition (also know that all ROM issues are discussed and hashed out first...that didn't happen here) I don't think it detracts from the performance at all. Give the man points of clarification and let him have at it again. I bet he'll make it look just as easy.
I can't help but find it laughable that people who are "Level 1" certified feel they have the knowledge to criticize the form of a former Olympic athlete who could C&J 200kg.
For as much as I love Crossfit, the constant negative posts thinly veiled as constructive criticism irk me beyond belief. Someone gets a Level 1 cert and then instantly feels they have the right/obligation to deconstruct every movement that any other Crossfitter executes. It's like they need to break someone down to make themselves feel better. I just don't get it.
I've seen it in boxes, in Globogym setting where people Crossfit and it runs ramped on the internet. I wish people would take a step back and realize what Crossfit is really about...bettering our lives by staving off decrepitude. We increase functional fitness not so we can claim we have some "World Record" or have a 2:16 Fran or claim that we have a "full ROM on every rep of every WOD" but so that we can live long healthy lives.
#38 A kipping pullup is not counted if it isn't full range of motion, chin over the bar full extension at the bottom.
Just for fun I took a look at the original King Kong video and noted that the MU's were nowhere near full ROM. So no one at CF holds claim to the world record for King Kong either. It's up for grabs. It's hard to compare one guy's shortened ROM on HSPU again another's on MU's. Or one guy's kipping MU's to another's rolling kip. I remember someone pointing this out once.
Damn that's an amazing performance! What I think needs to happen is David needs to come down to Wasatch Crossfit and do a little ROM work so he can compete on our Affiliate Cup team. The door is open.
Wow, Coach! You sure opened up a huge can of worms with that King Kong video post! But I think it is great. These are great discussions. However, I am going to remain eternally humble and say that I admire both David Morgan and Josh Everett. They are beasts. I cannot deadlift 500 lbs. I cannot clean 275 lbs. I have only thus far completed 3 MU's and I can only do 4 or 5 HSPU's before my shoulders are toast. These two men give me something to strive for, and for that I thank them.
Posting a 'record' 9 months after it was performed with obvious talking points could very well be a test. It is a Rest Day after all.
Don't be suprised to see an updated performance soon.
Watch this space.
275# Squat Clean and 500# Deadlift?! Wow David NICE WORK! Can't wait to see the masters division at the games, both men's and women's!
Don't normally post, but that video was inspiring. He generates more power output in the first minute than most of us can in an hour. It even looked liked he had to stop the bar in the rack position to avoid it going all the way up to the snatch position!
The muscle-ups were unique, and full extension wasn't reached at the bottom, but isn't the hard part in the pull and transition to the top? And I wonder if those would count if he did achieve extension at the bottom. I'm definitely gonna try a few his way tomorrow!
The squat cleans were ridiculously (sp) easy. And yeah, he might have omitted the final six inches at the top, but this was a timed effort. And that top position isn't exactly the hardest part of that lift. I can squat clean that weight, albeit not as easily, so I do know that the final six inches is the icing on the cake.
The HSPU weren't full extension at the top, but look how easy they were in the bottom. The hardest part of this movement is the initial upwards movement, not the final 4 inches where your elbows lock out.
Yeah, there's some ROM issues here. But good grief, there's not many people out there that can do half that workout in twice the time. To me, its impressive as (opposite of Heaven).
Along with Crossfit Kool-aid, the drink of choice today is Hater-ade.
This video has been up for quite a while and every thing said here has been argued to death on its comments section. That being said, a couple things.
1) He does the King Kong workout with extra weight. That is impressive given that King Kong is one of the few WODs that 90% of the Crossfit community cannot do as RX'd.
2) Part of the reason he lacks in range of motion on the DLs at least is because of injury. He had either a back or hip injury that was pretty serious a while back so he can't open all the way up. Limited range caused by injury is usually given an ok in PL meets so I guess it's ok here (for the record, I'm not saying this excuses his limited range on everything else).
3) Clearly he cherry picked this WOD because it suits him quite well and to be honest, even with the poor range of motion I'm impressed with a man of his size and age doing muscle ups!
I think the bottom line here is that the article may be a bit sensationalized but regardless, what this man does is pretty amazing. He embodies the ethos of Crossfit, pushing the limits of human performance. I sincerely hope that I can make a similar video at the age of 45!
Thanks for one of the only sensible posts in this thread. It's almost comical to read people who are basically weekend warriors (myself included) critiquing a 3 time OLYMPIAN in his weightlifting form (someone above talking non-sense about hip extension). This man clean and jerked 200kg @ 82.5kg.
There are ROM issues on this for sure, but he was attempting it for fun and probably not totally seriously as he looks pretty comfortable throughout. I doubt he cares much about the fastest time in the world on a workout given his accolades in weightlifting.
Also, try the way he is doing muscle-ups, it's not a gimmie.
Yup David is a beast! Respect to the fella 45 and still strong AND still obviously looking at other methods of training.....
Yup i saw a few bits and bobs i wasnt quite 100% happy with ROM wise - but still that clip is fewking impressive! And no doubt if he wanted to go back and cross the T's and I's he could!
I sincerely hope he keeps up CFing.
Oh yea and if we have kipping pullups and hspu's surely kipping MU's arent the end of the world?
Although i can definately see the point in doing strict MU's!
Fantastic seeing some established international athletes utilize CrossFit.
No doubt David possesses fantastic strength, and much potential work capacity.
That being said, gross range of motion faults:
Handstand Push-Ups - lock out at the top was absent
Muscle-Ups - lock out at the bottom was absent
Cleans - hip extension at the top nearly absent
Would love to see a stricter effort, as I think David has the potential to still establish a world-record time with full range of motion!
But agreed about the ROM. I'm usually derisive of those that question another athlete's ROM during their max effort, but most reps weren't even close...
Hear hear #20! Coach posting such videos makes us question our own standards and provoke introspection.
I would LOVE to see this guy try to make it to the games. Another commenter noted he clearly cherry picked this WOD for his strengths, but he's obviously one fit mofo.
I didn't know we had world records in crossfit.??? I thought that was unreal. When I watched the video of course my trainers eye kicks in and you identify areas of improvement, but my thoughts were: Why didn't he finish on the cleans especially because he clearly could have. I have nothing but admiration for this performance, all of the critics should be posting links to their videos. Anyone who has been to a level 1 has had the intensity accuracy lecture. I think that anyone who has the balls to post a video of their performance is more man than any of these pefectionists, because they get crucified here instead of welcomed as brothers and sisters as they should.
If you're having disk issues in you c-spine there could be a lot of things causing it, including but not limited to:
Cranking your neck back and repeatedly hitting your head on the ground during HSPU
Cranking you neck back staring at the wall straining during heavy deadlifts (as opposed to looking at the floor where you should be)
Whipping your head back at the triple extension of your O-lifts (I've had clients doing this and not even realizing it)
Send me an email if you want to ask any more questions about your neck...
I wish I could have been at the Hawaii qualifier. What a great time it looks like everyone had. Good job Bryant!
That King Kong video is hella old! I can't believe some of you are seeing it for the first time. I thought it was cool.
Pathetic to watch?? This guy can lift a ton of weight and despite whatever arguments you have about his range of motion, he still rocks killer technique. That's why he can lift so much weight.
Wake up people. He is 185# at 40+ yeas old. He is deadlifting 500# and squat cleaning 275#. 90% of us CrossFitters (me included) will never lift weight like that for one rep. If you can't respect that you are an idiot.
One of the interesting things to me about crossfit is that when the movements are done with a full ROM, pretty much all of the movements are measurable. If you measure a person's height, weight, forearm & upper arm length, lower leg & femur length, etc, and the person does a movement with full ROM, you can measure exactly the distance the weight was moved. You also know exactly how much body + bar weight was moved. These two measurements tell you how much work (in the physics sense, W = F*d) was done. When you know the work, and have measured the time over which it was done, you can determine the person's power output (in the physics sense, P = W/t).
Therefore for any given workout there's usually an advantage for certain body types. In workouts like this it's an advantage to be short and/or have short limbs. The short person moves the given weight a shorter distance than the tall person, even if both are performing the exercise with full ROM. Therefore the shorter person does less work and is required to generate less power to achieve a given time than a taller person.
We can make a similar argument about a person shorting their ROM... the person has moved the weight a shorter distance than he or she is capable of, but it might still be greater than another person with different body properties (or different grip, or different style like Fosbury, etc). Alternately, if the person has upped the weight by X%, then they have done more work, as long as they have shorted the ROM by at most X%.
So the question really is: what is the record measuring?
* Time only? Then short all the reps and do the minimum work.
* Time & work (power)? Morgan may very well have done more work in less time for this series of movements & bar weights than anyone before him, due to extra body + bar weight.
* Time & work (power) with full ROM of that individual? Even though it gives an advantage to certain body types when comparing efforts, IMO it's the best way to promote full individual development. The reason is that a particular individual will always move the weight the same distance. Therefore any change in time is due to an increase in that person's ability to generate power and shows an increase in fitness.
To get philosophical for a second, isn't betterment of the individual what crossfit's all about? So what if some beast can halve your WOD time? If you are changing your body so it can generate more power then more power to you (har har).
IMO Morgan's effort was extremely impressive, he made everything look super easy. I wonder what his time would be with 550/300, probably not much different.
Us "idiots" respect the crap out of strong athletes like David and yourself.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't challenge their performances. Are you going to give your judge the finger at the sectionals if he doesn't count some of your reps, or are you going to re-do them?
All love, brother, but let's keep it real.
I get frustrated with non full range of movement in anything that is crossfit. I could care less if this was about a globo gym record, or something like that, but this is why we bust are balls on a daily basis, this is why as coaches we yell at athletes to redo reps, this is why as a crossfit community we can literally say that we are the fittest on the planet.
And someone needs to fix Khalipa's squat :( and was the pull ups supposed to be chest to bar? cause really none of those where anything close!
Standards are the only thing we have on the fitness community! as a purist lets keep them please!
I met Dave Morgan last year whilst attending a British Weight Lifting Association course.
He is a class act.
There are comments in the You Tube link that explain some injury issue he had that limited his ROM.
Either way, I think we should be happy that another World/Olympic calibre athlete has expressed interest in CrossFit, and he did express an interest when I spoke to him (this is a huge positive, especially the UK).
We need to remember that for the majority, when they see a CrossFit WOD for the first time, they don’t necessarily take into consideration the issues of ROM or what the standards are…you just do the WOD as you see it.
In this instance, he saw King Kong, did it and a bit more, and it’s pretty damn impressive imo.
Freddy C, if I'm in as good a shape as you or Dave M at'that age', I'll be really pleased with myself
I met Dave Morgan last year whilst attending a British Weight Lifting Association course.
He is a class act. There are comments in the You Tube link that explain some injury issue he had that limited his ROM.
Either way, I think we should be happy that another World/Olympic calibre athlete has expressed interest in CrossFit, and he did express an interest when I spoke to him (this is even more significant for the UK).
We need to remember that for the majority, when they see a CrossFit WOD for the first time, they don’t necessarily take into consideration the issues of ROM or what the standards are…you just do the WOD as you see it.
In this instance, he saw King Kong, did it and a bit more, and it’s pretty damn impressive imo.
Which perceived grammatical or spelling error in "World Crossfit Record" prompted Crossfit's incorrect use of the Latin term "sic"?
If I wanted to quote the above Crossfit caption, I'd now have to do so as follows:
""World Crossfit Record" [sic] [sic]"
""World Crossfit Record" [sic]" (sic).
Not learning when or how to use this phrase in particular, doesn't look very bright at all.
Simply an awesome performance from Mr Morgan. No need for the smart-alec put-downs and slagging. I'd really like to be that strong. And full credit to the man for driving a low-emissions car. Rock on, David. You're a legend.
The joke is really on the American education system. How many people dont even understand what 'sic' means. The people at HQ do thankfully.
Go read 'Eats, shoots and leaves' and become enlightened to the Queens english(And American).
For what its worth:
The word sic may be used to show that an uncommon or archaic usage is reported faithfully: for instance, quoting the U.S. Constitution:
The House of Representatives shall chuse [sic] their Speaker ...
It may also be used to highlight a perceived error, sometimes for the purpose of ridicule, as in this example from The Times:
Warehouse has been around for 30 years and has 263 stores, suggesting a large fan base. The chain sums up its appeal thus: "styley [sic], confident, sexy, glamorous, edgy, clean and individual, with it's [sic] finger on the fashion pulse."
On occasion, sic has been misidentified as an abbreviation for "said in context", "spelled in context", "said in copy", "spelling is correct", "spelled incorrectly" and other phrases. These are all backronyms from sic.
Oh yeah, pic/poster is nice. I like it, Not sure why it would upset anyone...
...also not sure what all the fuss is about re [sic] - i don't think people on here are low in education - and that's damn presumptuous - i think rather, like myself we were just commenting on the video for what it was worth. Just my 2¢
For anyone speaking negatively about the video and ROM, I'd like you see you do one round of that workout using the ROM displayed in the video, and not for time. You can have all day.
You won't be able to start.
Anyone who could start and complete this I'm guessing has the proper respect for what an elite athlete can do, and would not be one of the complainers.
I couldn't budge a 500 pound bar. Actually, I take that back.. if I load 500 pounds on a bar, I could physically push it. Vertical movement - nada. Morgan is a beast, and despite any naysayers or negative comments, we all KNOW he's a beast.
It all depends on what you're comparing his efforts to. If king kong showed up at your local box and David Morgan walked in, killed it in 2:03, jaws would drop and a beacon of light would likely come down upon him. If king kong showed up in the '10 games, Morgan would be called on his ROM.
One way or another, hats off to someone who has been crushing it for such a long time.. keep in mind that his 200 kilo C&J at the olympics was 22 years ago. He's 44 years old. He's been doing o-lift workouts with weights heavier than that spec of a car he pulled up in (in the video) since I was 2 years old.
"the term sic is to imply there is a grammatical fault that the author is quoting and to show that the error is not the author's."
Yes. Bad grammar makes me [sic].
I remember being really stoked and impressed that an athlete of David Morgan's caliber would deign to try out a CF workout. Please let's not embarrass ourselves by nitpicking his performance--especially because, in the video, no claim is made about achieving a "world record".
As far as that article goes: to me it reads like a press release put out to publicize his book. Undoubtedly some PR flack thought it might be a good idea to catch the eye of tens of thousands of CrossFitters... looks like it worked!
David Morgan is a freaking stud. If you can't even attempt this workout with the weights he's using, you have absolutely NO right to judge the man. His form was in most cases flawless. I agree 100% with #64 Avi.
He did this workout well, he did it perfectly fine. A lot of you could only dream to do this. Its the haters who have to mouth off about "he didn't go one inch lower" or some BS that make me dislike this community to no end.
David Morgan is a beast! The day I can do what I just saw him do (yeah, I'll take his form on everything too) will be a very good day indeed. Tweaking form to get CF standard reps on all exercises would be a piece of cake compared to actually cleaning 275lb for a 3 x 3, and all in the space of a few minutes. Amazing.
Screw the Morgan video. I just want to know who that redhead in the top left of the poster is!
All the nitpickers have missed the point. I found his performance in that video to be inspirational. He made the bar look almost weightless on the cleans.
I love crossfit women-- also love crossfit lol
I love crossfit women, I also love crossfit lol
Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!
If if weren't for all the comments regarding ROM I wouldn't have noticed it while picking my jaw up off the floor from that first power clean of 275. That bar FLEW! It is so cool that olympic caliber athletes want to try crossfit workouts.
It is SO uncool that every time a video is posted with less than perfect form, the form police come out to tell everyone that they noticed it. So did the rest of us! But thanks for the help.
I agree with the comments on full range of motion...but I do like his logo on the door of his car.
Would you also say that fans aren't allowed to judge football players for jumping offsides? Jumping "just a little" before the snap is close enough right? Certainly we would all feel fully qualified to judge that flaw, and yet just because someone is stronger than us, are we not allowed to critique?
I think this video was posted tongue-in-cheek on the rest day. A ridiculous "WORLD CROSSFIT RECORD" claim followed by a limited ROM workout. Like I said in post #3, he's certainly very strong, but if you're going to claim that then you better have it done right. How much crap did Jason Kaplan take for his 1:53 Fran? And that was FAR closer to full ROM than this display.
congrats to cheyne from hawaii for making the mainsite picture of the day twice in the same week!
Yesterday's WOD: 6:17 virtually unbroken, but slipped off the bar in 7 rep round! ARGH!
I also had an epiphany of sorts today, for me. I realized very personally the connection between nutrition and fitness/performance. Justin Berg gave a lecture at my L1 Cert and I remember him saying that by paying attention to his performance he noticed that he was getting too lean. Yeah "too lean" and everyone was like, what? Of course, lean is the name of the game in fitness, in most fitness regimens. What I've noticed lately is that there is a huge psychological hurdle to overcome to notice the relationship between fitness, appearance of lean-ness, and performance. When talking about biology we so often ignore the fact that psychology is inherently a biological science (the brain, right?) Take for example anthropological and biological explanations for such major things in our historical record that we sometimes take at face value. One example might be the demise of the dinosaurs. Most people think they died because of a nuclear winter created by an asteroid impact. Others have their own opinions, but the major theory is the asteroid theory. Turns out there probably was an asteroid impact on earth at the K/T time period. But, it took the dinosaurs 12 million years to go extinct. Far from rapid, if you ask me. So what could be another explanation for the demise of the dinosaurs...? One of my close friends and colleagues has argued (quite convincingly with empirical evidence on kaymans) that the dinosaurs went extinct because of a psychological illness, or sorts. Turns out that at about the same time the asteroid hit there was the appearance of angiosperms: poisonous plants. It also turns out that dinosaurs appear to not have been able to learn, yes LEARN, that the plants were toxic. So they kept eating them (Gallup, my pal, tested this on the closest living relative of Dinos, crocodilians and they also fail to learn to avoid foods that make them sick). So if you have a bunch of dinosaurs not able to learn to avoid poisons, but early mammals that have the brain mechanisms (inherited by random mutation) to avoid poisons, mammals: 1, Dinos 0.
So what's this got to do with fitness. Maybe nothing, but many people use fitness as a way to look good. I was troubled by this psychology, still am somewhat, but overcoming this psychological fitness illness: workout -> look in the mirror. How do my abs look? etc. recently I changed one subtle thing in my diet: I increased my caloric intake just a touch and lately my performance, while not stellar or on par with any of the longtime CF-ers, is getting better noticeably. So while I think CF is a fantastic fitness regimen and swear by it, I think the reason some people provide such resistance to the movement is due to a psychological inability to understand, or a purposeful ignorance to the goal of CF: to forge elite fitness, and use performance as the dependent variable.
Sorry to rant, I am just super stoked about my recent advances and gains...in performance. And since form follows function and performance, chances are I will keep the definition anyhow! Nice!
lastly, so happy for rest tomorrow!
Seems like many people feel the need to protect/defend CF. Anytime someone outside the community questions any CF motives/protocol OR does a WOD and isn't perfect on form, we look to tear them down.
1. This was a world class athlete acknowledging and attempting a CF workout
2. His ROM was far from perfect and wouldn't have counted in a competitive games environment
3. This was a world class athlete acknowledging and attempting a CF workout
Any responses other than "wow, amazing strength & ability....with about 5 minutes of coaching could easily fix ROM issues" are silly.
There are many world class athletes who could, if they chose, walk into a CF box and crush workouts that I couldn't in my dreams. I think it's fun to watch when one does.
Even more fun that as a regular joe, I've been exposed to lifting heavy things, performing functional movements, identifying my weaknesses and I even understand that the crease of your hip should go lower than the knees on a clean. Mostly due to my exposure to CF 2 years ago.
I agree with #87, while his form isn't perfect, it's still cool to see an elite athlete give it a whirl. Perhaps this will encourage him to turn around and attempt it with proper form?
What is the world record, by the way?
Cool video. Fun to see what athletes from other disciplines do when they give CF a whirl. Kinda makes my efforts with 135# look even sillier!
Haven't said it in a bit. I'm really enjoying being a part of the CF community. Every night I get a look at my fitness task, each and every one beamed to me for free. Thanks for all of that Coach and Lauren.
I'm with Freddy on this one..... This was not posted as "look at this guy claiming a CF world record, his ROM sucks.."
My guess it was posted as "Check out this 40+ year old dude, non-CrossFitter most likely, throwing around some serious weight quickly." The "sic" added to say that HQ is claiming a world record.
This guy has crazy capacity, something we (CFers) all strive for. Bone up and show some respect for a guy who has dedicated his life to achieving that capacity.
I suddenly have the urge to go to Iceland
Does anybody know the girl in the photo form Narragansett RI? A bunch of us do Crossfit at a Globo in Narragansett
@#44 SoxFan Lets remember one very important point - FORM and ROM are two different things. Form being the technical aspects of a lift or movement that maximize efficiency and safety. Range of Motion being the distance we establish for what counts as a complete rep. CrossFit harps on ROM in order to make WOD times reflect a measurable and comparable amount of work.
Most people here seem to agree that David's FORM is excellent. Obviously he's a world class weight lifter and his execution of those movements looks beautiful, smooth, and darn near effortless.
His ROM, on the other hand, as defined by CrossFit standards, is incomplete. But calling him out on incomplete ROM takes nothing away from his awesome ability to move weight. As others have said, I'm sure he could re-do the WOD with complete ROM and it would still be amazing.
Who cares about King Kong ROM?
Look at the ROM from Iceland, RI and FL. Leave it to the women to execute a beautiful handstand.
Love the Car!
44 yrs. old! That's awesome by any standard. Represent the 40 and older gang!
Great job David
I finally made the mainsite!! Hehe. I know it is me and a ton of others, but it still feels good to get on there. Very cool pics from around the world, love it. (RDJ, Brasil)
#60 Freddy C, thanks for posting. It is good to see long time CrossFitters active on the board. No offense to other die hards I don't recognize.
Steve, she works out at World. We can't keep up with her!!! She is 110% high speed.
Only to be redundant; gross execution of full ROM but definitely was moving heavy weight fast and efficiently. However, to claim a "World Record" you MUST (and I do mean MUST) complete it at full range of motion.
If I claim the fastest 100m sprint time and claim to beat out Usain Bolt, yet only ran 90m, no one cares how impressive my form or time was. Why not? Because I did not travel the full REQUIRED distance to compete and COMPLETE a 100m dash. Same thing when you consider CrossFit Movements. To me, he is still on his first rep of Deadlift. Judges do not let athletes get away with less than full ROM in CrossFit competition, and we will not let him get away with less than full ROM in his "World Record" claim.
How do you get to Melbourne, Florida?
And all you haters just need to chillax.
Well, all the haters out there...
Why can't you just shut up about things like this. The guy is strong like hell, he doesn't brag or say anything demeaning about crossfit and he does it for fun.
If you watch ANY one of the videos posted on the site claiming to be records, there's ALWAYS a few bad reps.
Just look at it this way, the games called for "snatches", no way were those snatches...ground to overhead, sure. Not snatches.
Check out Josh Everett's King Kong, missing some ROM on the HSPU...
It's not a world record, CrossFit won't be clear about what the exact standards are, keep the games the same for a few years, then you can claim to be the fittest person alive.
To be the fastest 100m runner there is, you have to be tested on 100m. Not 60m last year, 126 the next and so forth.
Or the best decathlete, they have 10 different diciplines they are tested in, and they are strong, fast and explosive. I trained with some of the best.
Unknown and unknowable, how do we know who is the fittest then?
I love CrossFit, it's a lifestyle for me, I am ever greatful for The Glassmans for making it happen, but COME ON, stop bashing others. I am not saying anything bad about any of the poster boys/girls of CrossFit, they are extremely Fit and all of them are humble. Just look at Speal, Everett, Salo, OPT e.t.c. Role models!
CrossFitters, be HUMBLE!
My two cents.
those people that are saying some people cannot judge david morgan on king kong because they cannot do it themselves are being ridiculous.
no i cannot pull 500# off the ground and no i cannot squat clean 275#, but i sure as hell know what full ROM looks like on those movements.
i think if david redid the wod with the prescribed weights and full ROM he would still kill it. wasn't it insane the way he tossed 275 around like it was 95#!?!
At the games they checked the ROM not FORM. There is a difference.
At the games they did "snatches"?
More like "ground to overhead without cleaning"
At the videos of the wods, they don't check eitehr.
Really good that you know about 100m sprint, cause that is a world record.
The guys at the games so far were best at those things that day, you gotta be consistent over the years if you should claim the be the best in the world in anything.
Did yesterday's triplet, details there. Fun WOD.
Can't help that I'm not 29 or 30. 44 here and I enjoy Crossfit. Have been for just over 2 years. I love it! Can't deadlift 500. Does that make me NOT a Crossfitter. Please don't tell me to stop! Had knee surgery in 1983. Both knees don't have the full range of motion. Am I suppose to stop Crossfit? I really thought it's for everyone.
Under the image it says "enlarge poster." Can you buy that poster anywhere? That would be cool to hang at the gym.
Hey all, just saw a study from Princeton re: High Fructose Corn Syurp and weight gain.
Not much room for sugar in general in a zone / paleo diet, but figured I'd post this to be sure if you intake sugar to try and stay away from HFCS.
Can't wait to hit tomorrow's WOD hard.
Hey all, just saw a study from Princeton re: High Fructose Corn Syurp vs Cane Sugar and weight gain.
Not much room for sugar in general in a zone / paleo diet, but figured I'd post this to be sure if you do intake sugar to try and stay away from HFCS.
Can't wait to hit tomorrow's WOD hard.
Re: David Morgan
Did you see Olympic clip of the 200kg Clean and Jerk? Yeah, I'd say he's pretty strong and fast. ROM needs to be better for World Record status, but I don't think that would slow him down much.
Those pulls for the squat clean are fantastic. Absolutely beautiful.
WOW you guys sure talk a lot of crap. I bet almost know one on here could come even close to that effort even if they did half reps with that weight. not saying he had awesome form and everything but I am saying he could smoke me and you guys that talk a lot about his form. As for the guy who wondered his FRAN time who cares. what’s your Linda time compared to his? in my humble opinion a much harder wod any day.
Awesome vid and awesome pics. I love CF for keeping me inspired. Remeber everyone to appreciate what's done well and coach what's done poorly. That vid is amazing! Enjoy the day off everyone!
Great exercise to compare the commets here with the comments on the Speak/Khalipa shootout.
CF Kool-Aid drinkers falling over themselves to give a couple of CF celebs a pass for crappy form on the one hand.
CF Kool-Aid drinkers falling over themselves to criticize the ROM of Dave Morgan on the other.
Here's the thing: Dave Morgan is a real deal Elite Athlete. He didn't get that status by his choice of exercise program.
had to scale to 8 DL/rd
Agreed with MrUtley
From what I could tell on the khalipa/speal video khalipa rarely got his hip below his knee on the squats so why wasn't that heavily criticized on the board.
These guys are all in great shape and I'm not taking anything away from any of them. Just pointing out the apparent double standard.
It's like the Nasty Girls with the Aussies a while back. He's a monster and didn't really have to work on any of the reps except maybe the last couple muscle-ups. Maybe it adds 20 seconds or so, but it was really impressive.
This dude is clearly a beast. Is there room for more range of motion? Yes.
Is this an impressive effort - no doubt.
I wish I could do that.
I ran a 5K instead - I'll probably do this tomorrow.
I commented earlier regarding the "world record" thing. I am offended by the statment, for this reason. The whole philosophy of broad inclusive fitness/ ready for anything and everything makes world records in any "crossfit" event impossible. If anyone in crossfit cared about world records we would just do fran or (name the WOD) until we beat the record. I love to see how well people do on WODs it does however tempt me to speciallize a bit to improve in that one WOD.
Nice Job Dave Morgan. Inspiring
It has been fun reading the comments. Thought I would add one myself. I did the king Kong for fun and as a challenge. The inspiration came from Everret who in my opinion is an amazing athlete. In terms of ROM I have the following to say. DL my best dl is 660 and I know that people like to lean back at the end. I do not do this because it hurts my back.Regarding the HSPU and the MUs. Some athletes have arms that hyper extend and some people have arms that just go straight. However, there are many people who have arms that do not lock out. This is genetic and is considered by refs in oly comps. It is not something that can be trained so watch out for that. Unfortunately my arms fall into the third (Age I think) category. Cleans - you are right that I was not standing fully, the reason was a minor hip injury that gave me pain at the top. World record - Just to be clear I do not believe that any are world records because world record need to be judged in competition and need to be followed with a drug test.Crossfit - I think crossfit is the best training that there is. It's proper hard work and produces people with REAL fitness. Unlike many of the fad rubbish that pretends to be training. I would love to come out to the crossfit games and will try some of the other WODs as part of my fitness and healthy regime. I may even post some....if I do you can be sure of one thing the ROM will be perfect. Yours in eternal health and fitness
PS I love that car
pps No the tash is never coming back
what happened to my post???
Why did you not post my comments?
Regarding my efforts on King Kong. It is obviously not a world record, for that you would need judges and a drug test. In terms of ROM and form I do not think that you can say that my form is bad. Take a look at everrets cleans. Regarding ROM I choose to not lean back on the DL because it causes pain in my lower back. Regarding the MUs and HSPU I thought that the technique was a crossfit technique, I did not invent it I got it from a CF site. Regarding locking out, My arms do not go straight this is partly genetics and partly age! The cleans - I agree That I was not fully standing and that in a real comp they would not count. The reason for not standing fully was a minor hip injury. Regarding crossfit. I think that it is the best training system out there for people who want across the board fitness and it was Everrets effort that inspired me to have a go. I will certainly be trying some more WODs in the future. I would also love to come to the crossfit games as a spectator.
The youtube film was not meant to offend, it was meant to inspire.
Regards David Morgan
It was a hell of a go!
I'm only getting close to being able to make an attempt at those weights after 2.5 yrs of CF.
Theresa: ACL injury = CFWarm-up x 3 sets @ 20 reps ea (-squats) 50 reps x 3 @ abmats. then wind-trainer 45 min.
Then DL 5-5-5-5-5: 185/205/215/225x4/225x3 (these suck when the knee doesn't work well)