November 19, 2009

Thursday 091119

Rest Day


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Shasta Trinity Fly Crew 506

CrossFit Copenhagen, 2009 CrossFit Games - video [wmv] [mov]

"The Golden State Isn't Worth It" by William Voegeli - Los Angeles Times

Post thoughts to comments.

Posted by lauren at November 19, 2009 7:39 AM

much needed rest ....going for a nice run....yeah

Comment #1 - Posted by: kronick at November 18, 2009 5:29 PM

hm i think i'll do pullups today

Comment #2 - Posted by: DCF at November 18, 2009 5:35 PM


Comment #3 - Posted by: aj at November 18, 2009 5:38 PM

So close to leaving New York State...

Comment #4 - Posted by: roden at November 18, 2009 6:01 PM

The states are the next bubble waiting to burst. Think of states like New York and California like homeowners mortgaged to the max, unable to cut spending or interest, and no longer able to borrow.

"If a thing cannot go on forever, it will stop."

Comment #5 - Posted by: Hari at November 18, 2009 6:05 PM

Much needed.

I'm new to crossfit and have a new questions..

the idea i've been getting when people post their times is that Rx means exactly the workout given, am I right with that?

and also, if the weight/reps are too many (ie 135 cleans for todays 21/15/9) should i sacrifice weight or reps?

Thanks guys

Comment #6 - Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2009 6:25 PM

Brilliant. People are moving to Texas to save money on taxes. That’s it. Taxes. Not housing prices, crime, pollution, job opportunities, high population density, family, religion or any combination of a hundred compounding factors. Really it's taxes. I mean, people are moving out so there's your proof. Of course that's not why I left sunny San Diego, but I'm sure I'm an outlier.

I'm not arguing in favor of CA's tax system, just against ridiculous conclusions and the ridiculous people that draw them.

Comment #7 - Posted by: expat at November 18, 2009 6:29 PM


yes to r/x

the real answer to your second question depends! My advice would that every day you don't think you can complete the WOD go to the start here section of the website and click on the BrandX scaled workouts header.

Comment #8 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 18, 2009 6:30 PM

love the Crossfit Copenhagen guy - what a character.

Comment #9 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 18, 2009 6:31 PM

To #7 expat

I agree - it's a myopic perspective.

I moved to Sydney from London 10 years ago, to 46.5% tax from 40% but from grey sky to blue, from dirty buildings to the beach and from a tired, defensive country to an energetic, ambitious one.

I'd pay 60% to live here (unless the tax inspector is reading this, in which case I pay waaaay too much)

Comment #10 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 18, 2009 6:34 PM

significant sharp pain in hand/wrist while doing anything pushing. Tried to do a press yesterday with 95lbs barely could lift it off the rack PR is 135lbs. Push ups hurt unless I do them on my knuckles.

The pain goes long ways through my hand, usually in the center of it. I noticed today that it is also in the wrist a little on the inside of my wrist in anatomically correct positioning.

Any ideas? this isn't new it comes and goes, first noticed it about 6 years ago fire fighting while crawling through a building.

Comment #11 - Posted by: Walker at November 18, 2009 6:35 PM

Hey Walker,
Sounds like you may have a slight form of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, I would recommend resting for a few days and seeing a doctor. The longer you let it go on the worse it can become.

Thats just my advice though, i would def take it easy for a few days though.

Comment #12 - Posted by: Tim at November 18, 2009 6:52 PM

The insane taxes with no benefit to me is part of the reason I moved out of CA this year. But mostly it was the high cost of living and the wages that just don't seem to keep up, no matter how high they might be. I am the first one to say Louisiana isn't perfect, but at least here I have the possibility of being able to afford my own home!

Comment #13 - Posted by: Louise Smith at November 18, 2009 6:57 PM

The close-up on that shot is sick.

Comment #14 - Posted by: AllisonNYC at November 18, 2009 7:00 PM

There's a lot of folks round these parts would say California is getting what it deserves...for taking Gretsky.

Comment #15 - Posted by: Prole at November 18, 2009 7:10 PM

"In other words, residents in the other 49 states -- the new 49ers? -- would enjoy the privilege of paying California's taxes."

Not likely to happen. California has been a donor state for a long time and will continue to be so. Donor state means residents pay more to the Feds than the state receives. For every dollar paid to the Feds, the state receives 77 cents.

In contrast, for every dollar Texas pays to the feds they receive 95 cents. Still a donor state but they are more likely to be bailed out by the Feds than California.

Also, 25% of the children in Texas do not have access to health care which places them nearly dead last in that area.

Comment #16 - Posted by: Jerry at November 18, 2009 7:30 PM


Rest, Ice, and keep it elevated. I will also pray for you. Keep us posted brother!


Comment #17 - Posted by: Greg/M2 at November 18, 2009 7:32 PM

One of the benefits of increasing the distance between the federal government and the States would be a decreased need for the more successful States to provide welfare to those unable--or unwilling, in the case of California--to manage their finances like sober, serious adults.

Both Texas and California have issues with illegal aliens, but only one of those two provides great benefits no matter where you came from.

In a condition of economic prosperity, private charity can take care of those who fall behind. In conditions where there is no money, those who have been made dependent on the State will be cut off, and suffer more than if they had never been helped, especially if the high taxes needed to support them led to decreased jobs, less structural investment, and a less robust economy.

If Texas ever seceded, I would move there in a heartbeat. I am sick of our national politics. I am sick of our national politicians. The Republicans are less corrupt than the Democrats, but they sold their soul, too, a long time ago.

I've said this many times, but the last honest conservative who ran as an honest conservative, was Barry Goldwater. That was 1964.

Comment #18 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 18, 2009 7:34 PM

The differences between the states are dulled because of the Federal Government, which is so overreaching that it makes every state subservient.

With some exceptions, what each state does has almost no impact on the individual, when put in perspective of the impact the Federal Government has on every single individual.

This country was NOT supposed to be this way.

The most important election to the 50,000 people in your town SHOULD be the mayoral (and other local positions) elections. More important than the governor, more important than the president.

The next most important election should be the governor (and other state level positions).

The *least* important election to individuals SHOULD be the federal election. People should have very little day-to-day concern with what the Federal Government does, because the Federal Government should be doing virtually nothing.

NOTE: There is a reason the framers of the Constitution said "Congress shall meet at least once per year..." because they designed this nation such that Congress would have JACK SQUAT to do. Unfortunately, the roles have reversed.

This is an absolutely INCREDIBLE read on how we got where we are today with regard to the death of Federalism, and our current political debacle called government:

Comment #19 - Posted by: Matt DeMinico at November 18, 2009 7:36 PM


Of those 25%, what percentage are there illegally? And of those 25%, how many would be denied help in a Texas hospital for ANY acute or even chronic problem? If your answer is something other than 0%, please justify it.

Comment #20 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 18, 2009 7:37 PM

good article...but as someone who has been to both California and Texas, I can say affirmatively that I would rather pay higher taxes and enjoy all that California has to offer than ever step foot in Texas again. I bet that author has never been to Texas--It sucks! But as a resident of Birmingham (on the brink of financial ruin), I can sympathize with paying taxes to an inefficient and wasteful government.

Comment #21 - Posted by: brendan at November 18, 2009 7:37 PM

Anyone interested should read the longer City Journal article from which the op-ed was adapted. The general point stands: all things being equal, lower taxes beat high taxes, especially when the so-called benefits are just simply not worth it.

I just did something crazy, by intentionally leaving a decent paying job in May to move back to California, my native state, with no secure job. I want to help make CA great again. And for anyone willing to write off the state, it bears mentioning that California has the potential to either help the U.S. maintain economic prosperity, or drag it down even further.

Comment #22 - Posted by: Luke Perez at November 18, 2009 7:41 PM

I should also say, after recently visiting Santa Cruz, man what a beautiful state. Drove up the Coast Highway, incredible... But my limited experience with California (3 days total that trip, plus 2 days in LA about a year ago), and speaking with a friend from Michigan who now lives in California, even with the absolutely beautiful scenery, incredible climate, good culture, and every other plus it has, I have to say that I want absolutely no part in living there. Ever. Until they drop their "government can fix all problems" attitude.

Just the sheer idiocy I've witnessed in the policies in California made me cringe just visiting there, I couldn't imagine dealing with it every day, and watching it cripple my freedom, my family's freedom, and the growth of my business that otherwise would skyrocket in such a place.

Comment #23 - Posted by: Matt DeMinico at November 18, 2009 7:48 PM

I should also also also mention... the idiocy I witnessed within government wasn't just at the State level. It was County, City, Township, and Village...

Comment #24 - Posted by: Matt DeMinico at November 18, 2009 7:51 PM

The number of children who are not here with some form of permission is much lower than the adults, and much lower than you appear to think it is, as many adults without papers either a) are childless, b) leave their children behind or c) have children on US soil and their kids are citizens. I work with immigration and unaccompanied minors (read: children without papers or parents who brought them) and there are very few of them. Most of those Spanish-speaking kids running around without insurance are citizens just like you and I and can run for president in 30 years. Sorry buddy, la reconquista viene. Hahaha.

Comment #25 - Posted by: Kelly at November 18, 2009 8:01 PM


Comment #26 - Posted by: Herm at November 18, 2009 8:22 PM

I'm not ready for a rest day....give me more!

Comment #27 - Posted by: john at November 18, 2009 8:31 PM

is it ok to run on rest days? because like john, i NEED MORE!

Comment #28 - Posted by: Hodgy at November 18, 2009 8:33 PM


9:46 Rx'd

Comment #29 - Posted by: Zeb at November 18, 2009 8:40 PM


I am thinking about doing running Interval training for rest day, 3 x 1 mile runs @ 6: 30 pace (or faster). In between intervals do 25x 4 count jumping jacks, 25 pushups, 25x 4 count flutter kicks (with no longer than 5 minutes rest between 1 mile runs). GAME ON!


Comment #30 - Posted by: Santi at November 18, 2009 8:55 PM

So if we can't post the curse words in our comments, why are a fair amount of the videos loaded with them?
I'm a little bothered that I can't let my kids watch them. They are crazy about crossfit.
Anyway, I still love it all.

Comment #31 - Posted by: Jacob M/31/180/6'0" at November 18, 2009 9:10 PM

Matt #22 & #23 - Five days here and you're an expert? Curious as to what was so "crippling" to you? Are you living off the grid in some state far away?

Comment #32 - Posted by: kevin at November 18, 2009 9:34 PM

"During these years, more generally, 16 of the 17 states with the lowest tax levels had positive "net internal migration," in the Census Bureau's language, while 14 of the 17 states with the highest taxes had negative net internal migration."

I've lived in every dusty corner of the state of Arizona, and in Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, DC, Virginia Beach, upstate New York, western Massachusetts, and several countries in Europe and Asia.

And I've lived in San Diego, La Jolla and Bel Air, in Sherman Oaks and San Clemente and Monterey, and I miss California constantly, no matter where I am. I love the place. I haven't lived there since 2005 and I still miss it daily.

It's California that best embodies the horrible losses incurred by the growth of government. I won't live there because of the taxes and the government. I know that we are daily wasting the wealth and value of our greatest national resource, creating ever deeper losses, debts, and cost sinkholes, and more competition to wrest government resources to one interest group or another.

Reno, Nevada is looking attractive as a place that gives me driving access to northern CA, with the sanity and soundness of Nevada's greater freedom.

Comment #33 - Posted by: Cash Reynolds at November 18, 2009 9:34 PM

No rest for me. Rested two days ago. Need to make up Fran tomorrow. Should be interesting after my 5 minute PR on Elizabeth yesterday.

Comment #34 - Posted by: pete at November 18, 2009 9:43 PM

Having grown up in Texas and having spent the last 5 years in CA, its interesting to see the two compared. I think the most overlooked point is the type of policies that are bankrupting the state. My wife can't find a job in the bankrupt education system (with a masters degree and 5 years experience) but the latest news is the massive regulation of energy efficient flat screen TVs going into effect next year. As a surfer and a true environmentalist, these types of policies are just plain offensive. Forcing people to have energy saving Tvs and hybrid cars is indicitive of the biggest problem - Americans (and certainly Californians) want to make things better without actually working (the antithesis of CrossFit.) Energy saving TVs? How about turning it off and getting outside to clean up the beach? Oh wait, the government cant mandate that...

Comment #35 - Posted by: MB, m/28/5'10/162 at November 18, 2009 10:04 PM

I have a question...why don't we do any brench presses?? I've been doing crossfit for about two months and I love it I recommend it to is 100 times better then what I was doing before but why no bench presses??

Comment #36 - Posted by: Cleveland at November 18, 2009 10:08 PM

why would anyone ever want to live in Texas? Although I hear Austen's kind of nice.

Comment #37 - Posted by: jonathan at November 18, 2009 10:48 PM

# 6 Jim,
I started CF about 15 months ago and could only lift some of the weights that were perscribed (rxed).

When I could not use the weight that was rxed I just used a weight I could lift. I would keep the reps as rxed. Eventually over time I was able to the WOD as rxed. So, don't worry if you can't do the WOD as rxed. You will get there. It just takes time.

Comment #38 - Posted by: Kevin at November 18, 2009 10:59 PM

Austin is awesome, I live there. And my shoulders have been on fire for 2 days, dear i was waiting for this rest day after i walked out of the gym today!!!!

Comment #39 - Posted by: Benny at November 18, 2009 11:54 PM

A question for the group. Do you supplement your WOD with anything else? For example do you do the WOD and run or weight train prior/after your done. The WOD sometimes seem to quick and unfulfilling. Don't get me wrong I have seen an increase in strength, but it seems like I should do more. I usually have a problem with either over working so I was just trying to tap in on what everyone else does throughout the day or week.


Comment #40 - Posted by: Daniel at November 19, 2009 12:11 AM

Daniel - are you also doing the crossfit warm up?
3 rounds of
pull ups
sit ups
back ext

Comment #41 - Posted by: Jonathan Dinh at November 19, 2009 12:56 AM

I am a fourth generation Californian. It is nothing like the state I grew up in. With the exception of the North Coast, I want no part of what it's become. It is a fiscal and political disaster. After 53 years there, I decided to move on.

I now live in Northeastern Nevada (last four years), and the differences in attitude, personal freedom and quality of life have been refreshing to say the least.

I visit family in the Bay Area once or twice a year, and it only takes a couple of days dodging potholes on jammed freeways till I'm ready to head back here.

Comment #42 - Posted by: david orr at November 19, 2009 1:02 AM

The Affiliate Mega Church Debate is on at this site that I follow I just thought that my fellow XFitters should know...

Comment #43 - Posted by: The Athlete at November 19, 2009 2:01 AM

Jonathan- I do the warm ups but change it up sometimes due to over use on certain muscle groups.

Comment #44 - Posted by: Daniel at November 19, 2009 2:02 AM

I am glad that today is an off day. I could not find my workout thong today. Do you ever wonder that the reason that we are losing the wars is that the boys are too busy working out instead of killing the enemy. Just a thought. Keep up those workout,boys. I just love to see men sweat.

Comment #45 - Posted by: frankie at November 19, 2009 3:08 AM

CROSSFIT COPENHAGEN: Congrats on making the main page!

Way to kill it! Your performance was great! Your video shows how much you love crossfit. I was rooting for you at the Games last July!

Comment #46 - Posted by: Herm at November 19, 2009 4:22 AM

Nice Job to the CrossFit Danes!!

I've lived/been stationed in California, been there many, many times. Beautiful place to visit. Gorgeous beaches, great weather (SoCal), mountains, deserts, vineyards, you name it... but it's a friggin' socialist country. We have our own version on the east coast, it's called Massachusetts - or taxachusetts if you like. And listening to the author, he might as well have been talking about Mass instead of Cali.

Seriously, why is it so hard to fathom that high tax-high (alleged) benefit states are bankrupt and driving away business and therefore jobs and can't support the massive public pension plan debt they've created through ludicrous union negotiated contracts with bureaucrats of every stripe.

Is this really a hard concept - either mathematically, economically, or logically? TANSTAAFL. You can't just print up more money and somehow make it have value - things have a cost, in real terms. Your public pension has to be funded by someone else's taxes - someone who is NOT a government employee because the government only cannot fund itself indefinitely. Surely that concept is clear.

But we seem intent on just making more government the answer to everything.

Comment #47 - Posted by: Dale_Saran at November 19, 2009 4:37 AM


Comment #44 - Posted by: Hillbilly


There's a great picture of "Shasta Trinity Fly Crew 506", a cool video of CF Copenhagen at the Games, and then the LA Times article you speak of.

...then it says: "Post thoughts to comments"

It doesn't really specify which thoughts on anything specific. Why not generate your own discussion topic and see if anyone follows it up with some dialogue?

How about this question:

"What are the biggest training mistakes you have made while Crossfitting? What mistakes have you seen other people make? Are they programming, form, rest, nutrition, or warm-up related? And what have you LEARNED from those mistakes?"

Speaking for myself, the #1 mistake I have made is not listening to my body. There's a reason why we have pain, and it's sometimes hard to discern the good from the bad. I've learned to separate the two types and am still trying to learn how to take a day off from the WODs and not feel guilty about it.

Comment #48 - Posted by: Herm at November 19, 2009 4:38 AM

#42 The Athlete,

Took a peek; didn't see anything like what you noted. Which post, thread did you have in mind.

I'm free this AM and I missed church last Sunday...

Comment #49 - Posted by: bingo at November 19, 2009 4:53 AM

Sorry for the FNG question, but it's not in the FAQ and a Google search ends up dry. What does "FRAT" stand for?

Comment #50 - Posted by: Nick Stanley (M/17/5'8''/155#) at November 19, 2009 5:09 AM

FRAT = F__k Reading All That.

Comment #51 - Posted by: bingo at November 19, 2009 5:13 AM

I'll wait to see how this plays out, but I should add that I lived in San Diego for two years, went to Cal-Berkeley, and then lived in Fremont for 2 more years.

Recently, I've spent a fair amount of time in Texas. Texas has a lot of the same problems in the big cities California does, especially traffic and overpriced real estate.

Yet until Conservatives get hold of California again on all levels, I would not consider for a MOMENT moving back there. It's a beautiful State; no one denies it. But it's been taken over by do-gooder ex-hippies who think they know how to run the world, despite a track record of utter failure.

Some folks may remember the columnist Herb Caen, from the San Francisco Chronicle. I remember him saying openly once that no real San Franciscan ever worried about living within their means. It lacked panache and joie de vivre, both words--being French--are quite suited to describing a world view lacking in long term vision, short term self restraint, and moral coherence.

You see, if you fail to take care of yourself, someone else will have to, or you will have to do without. This is what California is doing. Their bet, currently, is the rest of us will bail them out. Nancy Pelosi is the Representative of San Francisco, where Obama gave his "guns and religion" speech.

California, under Obama-Reid-Pelosi, will get what it wants, at least until we have new Majority Leaders. Their bet is not wrong, for now.

Comment #52 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 19, 2009 5:16 AM

If you want to answer the tax problem it is simple END THE FEDERAL RESERVE we pay taxes on every dollar created when the treasury can produce it interest free! Ab Lincoln created the greenback too pay for the civil war instead of borrowing money from foreign countries and the greenback was interest free. our current system forces us too borrow money from the federal reserve by trading them with treasury bonds for federal reserve notes(dollars). For example we give them 10 billion worth of treasury bonds for 10 billion in dollars the big problem is that the bonds come with interest that we have too pay with taxes! WATCH AMERICA FREEDOM TO FASCISM OR THE MONEY MASTERS both are great documentaries and expose this fraud that we call the FED

Comment #53 - Posted by: eddie at November 19, 2009 5:29 AM

Agree with 30.

The forum requires links to be designated as safe for family and work, you can't post foul language on these posts, but the videos are littered with bad language.
I want to be able to watch the videos at home or work without worrying about whether the f-bomb is going to be dropped at random. You cut the videos down for length, there could also be a little sound editing to cut out some language.

Comment #54 - Posted by: Dooder at November 19, 2009 5:52 AM

to #47, Herm--

My answer to this question is about warming up before the WOD. I work out at a box and I can't tell you how many times I see people chatting and socializing while griping about the WOD that they are about to do.... instead of warming up. I used to be one of them-- thinking "oh well, it's Cindy so why in the world would i need to warm up with push ups and pull ups and squats?" -- and I would just wiggle my arms around and chat away with my friends.

Recently I came to the revelation that you've got to PRACTICE these skills everyday in order for them to get easier. Once i started consistently doing the RX'ed warm up, i saw vast improvements in how I felt during the WOD and also the skills involved in the warm-up. I was finally able to do pull-ups, ring dips, better squats, and all that jazz. Plus, when I'm truly "warm" before performing a WOD, I do way better than going at it cold turkey. Warm muscles perform better, and can be pushed more. So, in conclusion, WARM UP, people!

:) just my two cents. Thanks for bringing up that question- it's a good one.

Comment #55 - Posted by: steph at November 19, 2009 5:54 AM

Thought this was interesting. Is this Crossfit without calling it Crossfit?

Comment #56 - Posted by: miker at November 19, 2009 6:08 AM

@ comment #39 Daniel

If you go at the WODs as hard as possible there should not be much problem with feeling you should do more. To answer your question, Yes alot of people do extra workouts coupled with the main page WOD, such as Crossfit Endurance, CFFootball and myself endulge in the CFSrenghth Bias to add strength. You can do more if its not enuf but I would not recommend doing to much more. Your body finds a way to say F You and you want like it. Just GO HARD everytime and it will workout.

Comment #57 - Posted by: BlackCatX-Fit at November 19, 2009 6:13 AM

Move 7K lbs 75# 16:32

CrossFitting for 3 months

I chose Texas when I retired from the Army. Virginia might be for lovers but I damn sure couldn't afford the same house that I can buy here in Texas.

Comment #58 - Posted by: david worthen at November 19, 2009 6:13 AM

Interesting article.
I find the comparison especially neat because I am from California and my husband is from Texas and due to the military we are stationed at a permanent duty station in New London, Connecticut (another high tax state).

We are constantly contemplating where to move after my husband retires from the military and Texas wins hands down. Cost of living and taxes pay a huge part. Because of this, Texas is attracting new residents and businesses and offers a lot more opportunities than California.
Most of my friends have also moved out of California in search of a better cost-of-living situation. We all miss the amazing sunshine and the beaches but this is a small price to pay for an affordable home, a secure job and a state government that can pay all its bills.

Comment #59 - Posted by: Johanna at November 19, 2009 6:19 AM

@ #47 Herm

My biggest mistake is not getting enuf sleep. When I skip on a couple of hrs to hang out I cant tell the difference the next day. Better sleep = better times or rounds. Just my 2 cents.

Comment #60 - Posted by: BlackCatX-Fit at November 19, 2009 6:20 AM

Barry 18,

If you're looking for another honest conservative, see: Kyle Mortensen -

Comment #61 - Posted by: Prole at November 19, 2009 6:22 AM

quick question, all the sub 6 minute times yesterday, were those with full squat cleans or power cleans? Looking at the times there seems to be a big split, a bunch of sub six minute times and a bunch of plus 10 minutes times with only a few in between.

After doing Liz with full squat cleans yesterday I am tempted to repeat tomorrow with power cleans to see the difference. I expect it to be huge.

Comment #62 - Posted by: dan m at November 19, 2009 6:25 AM

Could not agree more with the article. I live in Maryland which rivals California and New York in terms of taxes and cost of living. I know how much I pay per year in sales, income, and gas taxes (just to name a few) and see absolutly nothing in return in the form of public services

Comment #63 - Posted by: Chuck at November 19, 2009 6:26 AM


Great alternative topic. I think my biggest mistake was shying away from movements I was unfamiliar with or uncomfortable with (read not good at). Overhead squats are a great example. Very difficult lift for me, but one day I decided to make it my "favorite" lift and started really working it, especially in warmup. Now I love it.

Additionally, I agree with Steph about warming up. I have always had issues with warming up. As a college athlete I felt I was slower when I warmed up but now that I am 33 I find it really helps. Also gives me some time to work on strengthening certain skills as mentioned above.

Comment #64 - Posted by: dan m at November 19, 2009 6:41 AM

How many reps per exercise in each warmup?

Comment #65 - Posted by: PDid at November 19, 2009 6:54 AM



I just figured out that I can search CF for "m/57/5'10"/180" or "m/56/5'10"/180" (my former age) and get rewarded with a workout log.

I'm guessing this is a Lindy Landed moment, and that everyone else already realized this. (If not, you're welcome.)

In any case, from now on I will sign with


which is a more convenient search term (only, of course, if some of you don't copycat my unique signature just to mess up my new system).

Comment #66 - Posted by: jeff at November 19, 2009 7:08 AM

has anybody followed CFSB? i have looked on google and the journal and can't find a "WOD" for it. maybe i'm just not very smrt...uhh smArt?

Comment #67 - Posted by: marc at November 19, 2009 7:13 AM

Great job Copenhagen team! I noticed one of the girls drinking Perfect Empowered Drinking Water. It's unbelievably pure, I can't drink any other water now. I just caught a glimpse of it in the vid.
Shoot me an email if you want to try some.

Comment #68 - Posted by: drew at November 19, 2009 7:26 AM


I normally find the Onion funny, but that was pretty patent political advocacy masquerading as satire.

The legal underpinning of our nation is the Constitution. The philosophical underpinnings are the Declaration of Independence, and the Federalist Papers. The latter explicates what's intended by the Constitution; the former lays down the foundational principles which were intended to be protected by the Constitution: life, liberty, and the pursuit of virtue. Property was added later by the Supreme Court, in my understanding.

We need to be clear that agents of the Dept. of Homeland Securty, as well as LEO's around the nation, are being told that people who talk about the Constitution like it matters should be treated as prospective domestic terrorists.

That should chill the heart of anyone who values our freedom.

Comment #69 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 19, 2009 7:28 AM

I like Herm's topic better than the cali/texas discussion.
My biggest problem is nutrition.
I have trouble cutting back on the carbs in my diet.
I also have trouble not bingeing at dinner.
I can control my intake all day but come dinner time I'm always soo hungry.

I've seen some huge improvements in my body since i began to CF but also know that these would be greater if I could focus more on what I'm putting into my body.

Any ideas or people with similiar problems?

Comment #70 - Posted by: russ at November 19, 2009 7:37 AM

Perfect timing for a rest day, phew!

Comment #71 - Posted by: Trac Nguyen M/28/152/5'7" at November 19, 2009 7:41 AM

I think 2maro will have some legs in it

Comment #72 - Posted by: Kevin Walls at November 19, 2009 7:47 AM

Have to admit I always enjoy the Onion Prole. Barry, there was some balance in there:

"Dad's great, but listening to all that talk radio has put some weird ideas into his head," said daughter Samantha, a freshman at Reed College in Portland, OR. "He believes the Constitution allows the government to torture people and ban gay marriage, yet he doesn't even know that it guarantees universal health care."

Particularly funny for those of us who have spent any time at Reed.

Comment #73 - Posted by: CPP at November 19, 2009 7:49 AM

I would swear that the CF Copenhagen team members were extras in the Band of Brothers episode "Replacements"...

Comment #74 - Posted by: J.T. at November 19, 2009 7:49 AM

@ comment 11 - Walker.

Could be carpal tunnel, like another guy said...

two tests for that: Phalen's and Tinnel's.
Phalen's: put your hand in the opposite to a prayer sign, so with the backs of your hands pushed together and your fingers pointing down and at 90 degrees to your forearms. Hold for up to a minute. If you get a similar pain to what you're describing it's likely to be carpal tunnel or median nerve compression.

Tinnel's: tap for a minute just thumb side of the most thumb-sided tendon on the palm-side of your forearm, about an inch before your wrist turns into your hand. at the bony part of your wrist just past roughly where you feel your pulse. Again, if you feel similar pain to what you're describing it's probably carpal tunnel.

Check out youtube for better demonstrations than I can describe!

And see a doctor!

Hope that's helpful...

Comment #75 - Posted by: AJM - m/22/180/6'2" at November 19, 2009 7:55 AM


Comment #47 - Posted by: Herm at November 19, 2009 4:38 AM

Great question, Herm. Personally, trying to do EVERYTHING as prescribed has been my biggest issue. I'm trying to accept that there is nothing wrong with scaling if it is necessary. Any other thoughts?

Comment #76 - Posted by: B Bowen at November 19, 2009 8:29 AM

I just watched Jason David from two days ago. "Fran" 3:47. Just thrilling. Do yourself a favor. Go back and watch it. Or watch it again.

Crossfit. Is it in you?!

Comment #77 - Posted by: bingo at November 19, 2009 8:45 AM

Berry, Prole, expat, et al

A certain man (we will call him bob), leaves his homeland of Landia with his wife and young son (bob II) to escape the tyranny of an out of control King. In this new land there are no guarantees except that what is yours is yours and no one else shall take it.

Bob and his family and lives a happy life in the new land. Some years later Bob's son Bob II is the mayor of the New Landia the town that Bob founded, and decides it would benefit the greater good if everyone would trade some of their property for more security. There was much rejoicing.

Some years later Bob II's son Bob III is born in the new land, and is taught the history of the old land and the tyranny that Bob I faced when they left their family homeland. Bob III grows, is educated, and becomes a Thane of the territory of New Landia. Bob III is considered to be a wise and generous Thane, helping those who cannot help themselves, and taking only what is necessary from those who can afford to give it. There was much rejoicing.

Bob III too has a son and names his son Bob IV, as is the tradition with Bobs. In his final act Bob III declared that there will no longer be a hereditary Thane ship, but an elected Governor. Bob IV of course runs for Governor and being from the proud line of Bobs that the people of New Landia have trusted for 3 generations, Bob IV is elected.

As Governor of New Landia Bob IV must be reelected quad annually. Bob IV is no fool, he realizes that in order to be elected he must simply give the majority of people what they want, so he embarks in an ambitious program to reform New Landia to make it more livable so that the people would no longer have to live with the concerns and fears that his grandparents had to live with. To pay for this sweeping reform Bob IV takes what is necessary from the 49% of people in order to give free everything 51% to make sure they continue voting for Bob IV. Using this method Bob manages to stay in power for a very long time.

George, a citizen of New Landia is part of the 49% who has to pay for the 51%’s free everything. George regards this as Tyranny and takes his family and leaves New Landia to found New New Landia, where there are no grantees, except that what is yours is yours and no one shall take it.

George and his family and lives a happy life in the new land. Some years later George's son George II is the mayor of the New New Landia the town that George founded, and decides it would benefit the greater good if everyone would trade some of their property for more security. There was much rejoicing.

Comment #78 - Posted by: Mike MOrgan at November 19, 2009 8:49 AM

#69 Russ--

Bingeing at dinner used to be a vice of mine as well. What really helped this was getting adequate snacks throughout the day. I just prepare better and have tons of paleo-friendly snacks in little baggies to grab from my desk drawer, car, backpack, etc. I used to not eat between lunch and dinner what with the hectic time frame-- boss comes in, driving from work, to the gym, fielding calls from work, etc.... before you know it, it's dinner time and I hadn't eaten in 5-6 hours.

Also, the snack right before dinner should be a little higher in protein/ fat. Add an extra few almonds to it, or a small block of cheese. If you're still satisfied from your last meal when you sit down to dinner, you'll eat less.

As for the carbs-- one of the best thing I learned was subsituting. I bake radishes, tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant as a nice side dish. I serve all of my meat on a bed of baby spinach leaves, green onions, or zucchini. I grate spaghetti squash or eggplant for a "pasta"-ish texture. I'm almost completely gluten-free now!

Comment #79 - Posted by: steph at November 19, 2009 9:09 AM


10 to 15

Comment #80 - Posted by: robert at November 19, 2009 9:21 AM

a few days ago i did my first sub 10min fran! 9min58secs! felt awesome to do that but it hurt like hell. my first ever fran was in 22min14secs. figured i'd share.

Comment #81 - Posted by: pmacc at November 19, 2009 9:32 AM

Row'd 2km today

8:17 (PR)

Success =)

Comment #82 - Posted by: danielquincy at November 19, 2009 10:00 AM


Well I could not help my self I had to get my fix. I did this one this morning and boy was it hard.

Five rounds for time of:
115 pound Deadlift, 15 reps
115 pound Hang power clean, 12 reps
135 pound Front Squat, 9 reps
115 pound Push Jerk, 6 reps

Time: 20:17

Comment #83 - Posted by: Travis at November 19, 2009 10:28 AM


Good discussion you started. My biggest problem is working out after a 10 hour work day and 4 more hours commuting. I don't have a box near my house and refuse to go to globo gyms so I started building up my own garage gym. It's getting there. I have a pull up bar, rings, heavy bag, speed bag, speed jump rope, 15 foot climbing rope, and 275 lbs. barbells/bar. The thing that gets me though is the sleep. Some one mentioned that before and it is such a big one. I try and eat as healthy as possible, and being 23 I feel like I can't eat enough. But working out after work and commuting on 5 hours of sleep is difficult. Good thing I'm quiting work soon and going into OCS for the Marines (pending my selection!)

And go Conservatism ;)

Comment #84 - Posted by: Matt at November 19, 2009 11:05 AM

#81 Chuck

shortened version

Place 1 sucks, We leave place 2

We make place 2 suck, we leave for place 3

and so on and so on

The point is that us humans have a tendency to repeat ourselves because we forget the past. Some day Texas too will have high taxes, over population and poorly managed services.

Comment #85 - Posted by: Mike Morgan at November 19, 2009 11:16 AM

#47 Great topic honey-licious!
Biggest mistake - working out while sick or injured and EXPECTING to be able to perform the way I do while healthy. Biggest mistake i see in others- loading up on weight when the basic movement is not being performed correctly

Comment #86 - Posted by: Cookie at November 19, 2009 11:16 AM

also insert a "for" between leave and place on the 2nd line

Comment #87 - Posted by: mike morgan at November 19, 2009 11:18 AM

Did tues "fran today to catch up
wod done in 28:06 form was not what I wanted due to rotator cuff troubles.

Comment #88 - Posted by: gale at November 19, 2009 11:31 AM

Anyone have recommendations for workout tracking software? Preferably free/open source.

Debating developing my own with my twin brother for crossfit-specific demands but no need to reinvent the wheel if it's already out there.


Comment #89 - Posted by: crossfiletmignon at November 19, 2009 11:42 AM

#54 Steph

Couldn't agree more! A dynamic warm up before a WOD is crucial! Doing plyometrics and the crossfit warm up that we do activates our CNS which allows for more contractile force during the WOD. Alternatively, just standing there while talking and static stretching will alter muscle spindle activity, ultimately decreasing our CNS drive which decreases contractile force for the WOD.
(It also decreases muscle stiffness which decreases strain energy leading to a decrease in the ability to produce force.) <--- This would only really pertain to say a 100m sprinter for example, using their max force, because we are talking about 10ths to 100ths of a sec for that race... But every little bit helps!

"Our warm up is your workout..." Go hard!

Comment #90 - Posted by: Sean at November 19, 2009 11:44 AM

Cleveland #35-

Bench press will come up occasionally in WODs, maybe once every month or two when you see Lynne or Linda. I've heard varying reasons for it, but most have something to do with the fact that a real life situation is unlikely to provide you with a well-formed bench to use as a supporting surface for your back. You're more likely to have your feet planted on the ground and be forced to control your body's movement while you're lifting the weight. That's why we do shoulder press standing rather than seated. Also, shoulder press doesn't require a rack or bench like bench press does. You can just clean the bar up to your shoulders and press it.

Nothing says you can't add in a few 3x5s or 5x5s on your own though. Bench press is great as far as being a pure-strength movement and using lots of major muscle groups.

Comment #91 - Posted by: Eric at November 19, 2009 11:54 AM

i've seen the california/texas comparison before, seems to be getting more popular. the one point that is always left out is this: you can't surf in texas. I'll pay higher taxes all day long for the chance to get shacked every morning. so worth it.

Comment #92 - Posted by: kyle at November 19, 2009 12:05 PM

Ran treadmill intervals, 6x3 min. on (10 mph), 2 min. off. "Spin cycle." Makes things nice and loose.

Comment #93 - Posted by: Kamper/M/45/74"/200 at November 19, 2009 12:23 PM

CFSB Week 1

20 min metcon

Mary as rxd

8 rounds + 5 HSPU(PR)

Comment #94 - Posted by: Jonblaze at November 19, 2009 1:03 PM

Where does it list on the website the CrossFit warm-up?

Comment #95 - Posted by: Hanan at November 19, 2009 1:44 PM

Where on the website does it list the CrossFit warm-up?

Comment #96 - Posted by: Leanne at November 19, 2009 1:46 PM

Never mind, found it!

Comment #97 - Posted by: Leanne at November 19, 2009 1:47 PM

Hans and Franz are idiots, fit idiots (fidiots?) but idiots none the less. Someone needs to teach them about over-cussing and its tendency to grind on the nerves of locals.

Comment #98 - Posted by: =AK Aaron= 25/5'10" at November 19, 2009 1:58 PM

Wicked Happy, Good day today!

Lynne, used 195lbs for bw on BP, even though, im more like 185 w/o clothes. Set new Pr on PU's, old one was 50. Did 68 one 1st set but discounted one because it was low/lazy.

BP: 22, 16, 13, 11, 11
PU: 67, 50, 43, 51, 41

Total: 325

Comment #99 - Posted by: ksyco m/20/5'11"/195 at November 19, 2009 2:05 PM

kyle - So true. You could also mention that you can't (well...shouldn't) surf for three days after it rains because of the pollution. If Republicans were in charge it would be even worse.

CL - cruddy wind swell 15 days a year doesn't count, sorry.

Comment #100 - Posted by: jpw at November 19, 2009 2:37 PM

I really really really think those folks from Copenhagen watch more than their fare share of Dave Tate videos. Kickin everyone’s butt. 41st place….really.

Comment #101 - Posted by: denob at November 19, 2009 2:44 PM

I've lived in Texas and currently in CA. We pay higher taxes but we don't get any benefit from them. We also have to deal with way too much regulations that make companies move out of the state. Which means jobs leave and people follow where the jobs. Piss poor management from all gov agencies. The citizens (non gov employees) are getting the raw end of the deal.

Comment #102 - Posted by: tracy at November 19, 2009 2:58 PM


Hey all, new to CrossFit here, couple of questions for anyone interested in replying.
I've been following the WOD for less than two weeks and I really haven't done anything else other than play some racquetball. I have a long history with athletics so I'm used to pushing myself hard for longer periods of time. I'm definitely feeling the effects of the WODs, but I'm hesitant to do too much outside of them for fear that I'll do something that makes the unknown WOD for the next day impossible.
My instinct is to just follow the WODs for a month or so and then work back in running, swimming, and other activities once my body gets used to the CrossFit workouts.
Basically I'm spending between 10 and 30 minutes a day working out when I'm used to spending hours. I'm feeling good but I'm also feeling like I'm being lazy.
What experiences have others had transitioning into CrossFit from a seemingly higher workout load?
How do you guys/gals work in your other physical endeavors with the CrossFit schedule, especially since the workout for the next day has not yet been planned? A friend of mine who's been CrossFitting for a while said that he would just look back in the archives and do workouts from previous years so he could better plan his week. Does anyone else do this?
Lastly....why isn't it called PullUpFit?

Comment #103 - Posted by: George M at November 19, 2009 4:07 PM

Rested today in 1:47. New PR.

Comment #104 - Posted by: Tim at November 19, 2009 4:27 PM

If you're worried about what's coming up for tomorrow, just start a day or two, or a week behind the schedule. This way you can easily plan ahead. No need to keep on the exact schedule.

Comment #105 - Posted by: Tim at November 19, 2009 4:32 PM

It's an interesting irony that precisely the same people who are sensitive to any whiff of what they call "fascism"--recall R-Ca Nancy Pelosis comment on "brown shirt tactics"--are completely oblivious to the fact that the sine qua non of tyranny is a State which is increased in size and power. Logically, if the State is small, and checked everywhere in it's power, then it won't become Fascist. This is so obvious one would think it would be obvious to six year olds, if not leftists. We can't expect much from the latter.

Therefore, why is it surprising that a government can command a lot in taxes, and deliver little in return? Taxes are booty. They are money that is taken by a coercive authority, and redirected HOWEVER THEY PLEASE. There is NOTHING but voter outrage from allowing virtually unlimited corruption.

Consider, in the case of California, that well over 5,000 people there have annual pensions in excess of $100,000.

Consider this case, of a union MEMBER getting beat up by other union members, after he protested corruption in the State. He is a State employee. The people who beat him up were, as far as I can tell, State employees:

By the way, who has been the most frequent visitor to Obama's White House? Why, that would be the President of the SEIU, Union Boss extraordinaire, and primary reason NONE Of the health reform proposals include the OBVIOUS, SELF EVIDENT step of requiring States to allow insurance companies to be able to sell directly to consumers.

Here is a simple fact: money that is NOT taken in taxes cannot be used to fund corrupt Unions, corrupt State workers, and other parasites who only show up because there's food on the table.

Texas is also a Right to Work State, which means union thugs can't force you to join their union to get a job.

Oh look, they also allow consumers to buy directly from insurers. Does California?

What do you think?

Comment #106 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 19, 2009 4:34 PM

Hello everyone,

I have been following the website for about a year and the workouts have been awesome.

I was recently saved by Jesus Christ in an incredible situation that I won't get into detail over right now. Just as crossit keeps the body in fine shape, Jesus Christ will arm you with what you need for the coming floods. He made you and He loves you. Invite him in and experience life.

Comment #107 - Posted by: steve at November 19, 2009 4:35 PM

George #106,

I personally pick and choose what wods to do, if i burn out my hands bouldering i usually wont do a wod that has a massive amount of pullups. Your friend has a good idea. Definitely know what you mean though, its difficult to go for a swim or run if you just did something like angie. Great idea letting your body get conditioned, you dont want to burnout. Just listen to your body, if you feel like running, go for a run, if your body is worn out you wont even think about running.

Comment #108 - Posted by: Ksyco m/5'11"/195 at November 19, 2009 4:36 PM

I like Herm's topic better

My mistake is not working hard enough on the gymnastics. It's hard when you don't train at a Crossfit gym - I will be soon when one opens in my area - but I should have worked harder on kipping technique, handstands, ring dips etc.

My biggest insight from the past 12 months is to surrender to the programming, embrace the WOD (or the next closest thing if you can't do it) and practice your weaknesses as your warm up

Comment #109 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 19, 2009 4:38 PM

First day back from a rough 2 weeks of troubled breathing...

45# Fran 21-15-9 Thrusters, PU



Comment #110 - Posted by: lil' bingo at November 19, 2009 4:39 PM


KB Workout

5 rounds (left side and right side is 1 round)

5 single arm swings
5 cleans
5 circular cleans
5 clean and jerk
5 snatch
5 reverse lunge
30 situps

Comment #111 - Posted by: gregorioz at November 19, 2009 4:42 PM

I think a word is in order on "machine" politics, too. Since most of you are likely unfamiliar with the term, I will note that it is associated with Democrats.

Person X has charisma. He puts on a good show. Union leaders, and local businessmen put him up for office. They provide him with the money and organization he needs to get elected. In turn, he promises to make sure those businessmen get State contracts, and that the Unions work on them, at "Prevailing Wages", which is whatever they say it is.

He gets elected; he does what he said he was going to do. This is a good thing for every one. The task, in a time of reelection, is to divy up the goods more widely. This is the point of "Welfare" handouts. This is the point of pork barrel spending. Both parties do it, but only the Republicans are hypocrites when they participate. This has been the Democrats M.O. since Tammany Hall, if not before.

Quite often, you do see a Union/Gangster affiliation. The point of this is to provide brownshirts to roughhouse people who don't like the system. The unions power depends on its membership, which is effectively its payroll. THey have to keep people on board. That's why in many States it is legal to force people to join a Union if they come to work at, say, GM. Toyota does not make the same demand.

The more money a given politician can command, the more power he has. Consider the so-called Stimulus in this regard. Since the "supervision" depends largely on Democrats, this $800 trillion allocation of OUR money (rather, our childrens money, if we don't declare bankruptcy) is basically a blank check for opportunistic quid pro quo types of arrangements.

I'll find the link tomorrow, but Obama is planning to hire some 260,000 new Federal employees in the next couple of years.

To be clear, each of these jobs represents a job deducted from the private sector, since they are funded by taxpayers.

Consider as well that we have had 20 straight quarters of job losses, and Obama is counting as new jobs jobs created with taxpayer money.

Long story short, what we are doing is replicating, on a national level, what California is experiencing on a local level, for the same reasons: corruption, stupidity, short sightedness, and simple greed on the part of voters.

Comment #112 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 19, 2009 5:01 PM

Had the pleasure of catching up with both Fran and Elizabeth today. I will never double date again!

Comment #113 - Posted by: Trent at November 19, 2009 5:04 PM

yes Trent, that was a silly idea!

I was thinking about doing the same thing tomorrow but will content myself with Fran

Comment #114 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 19, 2009 5:28 PM

"Fran", scaled to 65# to experience the speed of the sprint. 4:21.

Comment #115 - Posted by: bingo at November 19, 2009 5:34 PM

George M, Comment #106

Hey George,
I think I can help you out with some of your questions. For a while I was doing the Crossfit WODs along with doing a lot of conventional lifting as well as distance running and swimming. So I know just where you're coming from.
What I came to find over a long period of time was that I was exercising far more than what was healthy for my body. This is due to the fact that, bottom line, human beings were not built to spend 2 hours in a gym doing lifts that damage joints over time, and completely drain your body of it's testosterone. I found myself making MINIMAL or NO strength and size gains, as well as sustaining injuries, because I was breaking myself down rather than building my body up. Crossfit shocks your body every day, causing it to learn to react quicker to various functional activities by gaining strength, speed, and muscle, without over-work it to the point that the body is exhausted.
Now, incase your a little hesitant about my view, I see your height and weight, and we're almost the exact same size. So this is what I've done (because I'm assuming that you're goals might be the same as mine), and it works out really well for me.
I'll add in a half hour of lifting AFTER I do the WODs (assuming I've got the strength). Example:

Day 1. WOD, rest 5 min, 30 min. of chest & bicepts
Day 2. WOD
Day 3. WOD, rest 5 min, 30 min. of back & tricepts

I don't do any extra legs or shoulders because 99% of the time, the WODs beat the crap out of them. I also do some running and swimming, but that's several hours before or after the Crossfit workout. Also, if one of those muscle groups are too fatigued, no problem, I'll skip it all together that time.
I'm not saying this program will defiantly work for you, but after 2 years of figuring this stuff out for myself, this program is what kicks my ass without breaking myself down or injuring myself.
As far as feeling lazy... You're probably holding back a little on the WODs. Which is fine because starting out you need to take it slow, scale the workouts, and work A LOT on your form so that you don't hurt yourself. But in several months when your doing muscle-ups and throwing around 135lbs doing squat clean and jerks as fast and hard as you can, you'll see why the WODs are really all you need to push yourself to the absolute limit in a very short period of time. I have been AMAZED as I've watched myself become so much stronger than I'd ever been when I was spending a couple hours in the gym a night. Now, when I do my little bit of conventional weightlifting (which, for the most part, I've changed into all functional exercises), I think about what a joke it would be if that was still all I was doing. Those workouts are so EASY now and so much lower in intensity.
As far as working in endurance workouts, check out the Crossfit Endurance website. They've come up with a genius program that follows the guidelines of Crossfit to the tee. I've been using this website for a while because my job involves a lot of running and swimming.
Also, I've tried trailing the workouts by a week in the past so that I could better plan my workouts, but when you start picking and choosing what WODs you want to do on certain days, it takes away from the all-important shock factor that only Crossfit gives your body.
As far as the PullUpFit question... For a reason that is past my comprehension, the past several workouts have involved pull-ups, but it's not always like that. On that note, the pull-up is still one of the most functional exercises that exists.

I know that explanation was long and choppy, but I can only sit here and type for so long. That's probably only about 10% of the long story that's been my personal experience through Crossfit.

Please feel free to click on my little blue name link and email me for any more in-depth explanations of my views for your questions. I'm not sure all my answers are correct, but I'm still learning just like you are.

Comment #116 - Posted by: Daniel B at November 19, 2009 5:35 PM

P.S. I'd love to hear input from more seasoned Crossfitters about my view. Positive or negative.

Comment #117 - Posted by: Daniel B at November 19, 2009 5:40 PM

Fran Rx: 4:11. PR by 1:23.

Comment #118 - Posted by: pete at November 19, 2009 5:42 PM

wow Cooper you just keep going huh?

A guy is a major player for a major oil company, his associate is a major player for one of the largest conglomerates in the world. His daddy and all of his frat buddies run the world in various capacities. Despite his failings as a governor, nor his skipping out on his responsibilities to his country (read air national guard) and his history with serious drug and alcohol abuse (read cocaine, and yes Clinton smoked pot but really? Coke vs pot...) He leads us into a war, first claiming that the Iraqi's supported Islamic terrorists (but that didn't hold up because it was a bold faced lie) then it was weapons of mass-destruction (did we ever find those), then it was because he was a bad guy, which he was. But is that worth all of our people whom have died?

Alright so these well connected guys, who really have done little in their lives other than being plugged into the machine, stand by as our economy is driven into the ground by their buddies.

Yeah your right Cooper, Obama and his Union buddies are all to blame. Enjoy your 40 hour work week, employer based health plan, etc. because the unions gave that to you.

By the way, I can't say I have ever seen you post a time or load on here, just your opinion...

Comment #119 - Posted by: dan m at November 19, 2009 6:04 PM

Grace as Rx'd: 3:27 PR from 3:41

3 Rounds for Time:
500m row
21 burpees
400m run

As Rx'd- 16:10 PR

Comment #120 - Posted by: pelch at November 19, 2009 6:14 PM

Actually, in all seriousness Barry Cooper, have you ever posted a time or load on Crossfit. I was bored (and a bit annoyed) and dug around a bit, I can't find a single posting by you for any workout. Are simply posting your political ramblings and not really a crossfitter? I now have a picture of Rush Limbaugh (sp?), sitting at a computer, all fat and old, sucking down oxicontin while your illegal immigrant maid cleans up the cheetos crumbs on the floor around you

Is this what this website has become? A soapbox for the right? Wow?...

Comment #121 - Posted by: dan m at November 19, 2009 6:21 PM

The Economist published a similar story a month or 2 ago with different conclusions and a wider data set. I'd post a link, but if you don't have a subscription, you can't get in. Basically, they said all the same things, but then went on to add that TX has a much smaller middle and upper-middle class, and those are the folks most dissatisfied with low rates of service. The working class and poor accept what they can get for the most part, while the rich can afford anything they need (heath care, private ed., etc). This has something to do with per-capita higher education rates, part to do with dominant regional industries, and part to do with social traditions.

I'm a Californian and don't mind the tax burden - because I get plenty for it. I'm not waiting around to be handed my benefits, though. I visit parks and seashores often, I call in potholes and burnt-out streetlights, and I spend time at City Hall, speaking my mind when I need to. I do have a problem with the pay to productivity rate of many ofour public-sector employees, but I can usually get around waiting in line at the DMV, for example, by being on top of my stuff and taking care of it early online (which works great).

That said - I've been to TX many times and have friends and relatives there. I've not met many Texans I didn't like and I could easliy live there too.

Keep in mind also that the LA Times is not always known for the same objectivity as The Economist and might be slanting stories to rile up - and attract - readers.

Nobody should wait around to see if any government is going to present them with the benefits of the taxes they pay, low rates or high. Self-advocate, go out and enjoy your public places, and call or write your politicians so they know how you feel!


Back squat 5,5,5,5,5
225,245,265,285,290 (PR, 5-rep)

Comment #122 - Posted by: Benny1 M/40/74"/220 at November 19, 2009 6:35 PM

New to CrossFit basically started this week with the three "female" work outs and they have been tough. one complaint i have though is being on the east coast i have to wait until almost 10pm to see the next days work out or wake up to a surprise every morning, (which i dont want.)
Anyway to get the next days WODS posted any earlier?


Comment #123 - Posted by: Tim H at November 19, 2009 6:45 PM

Whoa, it gets a little deeper. Yes I am bored and a bit vindictive too. Barry, what is MMorpGuides? Are you a gamer?

Outside of the computer world can you even do a single pushup?

Comment #124 - Posted by: dan m at November 19, 2009 6:46 PM


Nice bro, even at 65lbs, 4:21 is a great time!


Comment #125 - Posted by: Greg/M2 at November 19, 2009 7:04 PM

Dan M,

Why don't you give it a rest. BC has been posting here for some time now, and he has WOD's posted going back to 2007. BC has different political views then you do, so what. Get over it all ready.

Comment #126 - Posted by: Greg/M2 at November 19, 2009 7:21 PM

Dan M,

Correction: make that 2003!

Comment #127 - Posted by: Greg/M2 at November 19, 2009 7:23 PM

I have two other examples, Minnesota and South Dakota. Minnesota has big government, great schools, good roads and a generally good life. South Dakota, by contrast, has small government, crappy schools, crappy roads, etc. Maybe there is more to the story than big government-small government.

California has insufficient water and insufficient energy for everyone crowded into the valleys in the south. It has immigrants from Mexico and every country in Asia, many of whom don't speak english yet. Yes, there are many problems that aren't self induced.

A final factoid: California produces half of the nations fruits and vegetables. How's your zone diet without those?

Comment #128 - Posted by: jpw at November 19, 2009 7:53 PM

11:21 (PR) Sub 105 lbs

Comment #129 - Posted by: Hari at November 19, 2009 8:09 PM

Dan M.,

Is that task still to blame George W. Bush for everything? At what point does your Boy Wonder accept that he is taking what he was given, and making it ten times worse?

I've been to four Certs. How about you?

I've been CrossFitting since 2003. How about you?

Why don't you make a substantive contribution, or be quiet?

Start by defending the massive deficits Obama is CONTINUING to incur while speaking out publicly against them. This would look--to a simple, non-CrossFitting caveman--like some combination of rank hypocrisy and morbid stupidity, but no doublt you have an explanation.

Please provide it; and understand you are dealing with someone well plugged in, very intelligent, and as persistent as a mountain goat on testosterone.

You don't know what you don't know.

I had a longer post, but it will wait until tomorrow.

Comment #130 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 19, 2009 8:42 PM

it sure drives me batty that some people think bigger gov and higher taxes is great idea. why?

Comment #131 - Posted by: tracy at November 19, 2009 9:09 PM

Regarding the video...

1. If you're going to learn English and speak it that well, learn how to speak without cursing every second word.

2. Workouts too easy in the affiliate cup? You came what place... 40 something? Give me a break with this "too easy" and "piece of cake" stuff.

My two cents.

Comment #132 - Posted by: cam birtwell at November 19, 2009 9:28 PM

Dan M,

Instead of throwing insults why don't you pony up some facts that state your case. Maybe that would be a more civil way of responding.

Comment #133 - Posted by: tracy at November 19, 2009 9:55 PM

Example of bigger gov...

Comment #134 - Posted by: tracy at November 19, 2009 9:58 PM


I, too, wonder why you come on this website solely to toss about your anti-Obama ramblings, yet I have yet to see you post any workout loads and/or times. Being to 4 certs does not place you in a realm above.

It is apparent you feel that you are the victor in every debate on this website. Even when people post the facts you are always clamoring for, you disregard these and move to the position that you stand on higher moral ground.

So, why not move on to more worthy opposition?

Comment #135 - Posted by: jeff at November 20, 2009 1:00 AM

"understand you are dealing with someone well plugged in, very intelligent, and as persistent as a mountain goat on testosterone."

Barry, is that the whisky talking again?

Comment #136 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 20, 2009 2:37 AM


Absolutely. Drunk, I am better prepared to compare rationally derived positions than the most sober leftist. You yourself are not stupid, but you don't offer positions so much as comments on mine. Which of us is doing the heavy lifting?


This is my spot. I've been here for a long time, and there IS no worthy opposition. If Leftists were intelligent, they would be conservatives or moderates. This is simple fact, and you cannot argue otherwise in the abstract. If you want to argue otherwise, choose an issue, articulate a concrete position, and watch it evaporate. That is NOT the whiskey talking; all that does is amplify my basic personality, which is very impatient with hubris and stupidity.

See, I know someone will be tempted to accuse me of hubris now. As "excessive pride", it is presumed to precede a fall. Yet, if the fall is not forthcoming, the diagnosis is incorrect. That is how rational thought is conducted.

Comment #137 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 2:50 AM

You are engaging in ad hominem, which is always a signal you have lost--or never possessed--the capacity to debate based on facts and logic.

As far as that goes, Jeff, please repeat relevant facts on some issue you think I have ignored. If I did, it was by oversight; there are a lot posts. Just for YOU, I am happy to correct any deficiencies.

What I wanted to say, is that as I was sitting down last night, indulging myself in some nice Pappy Van Winkle for the first time ever, it occurred to me that we all long for clarity and simplicity, but no longer think it possible. We watch movies like "Dances with Wolves", and " The Last Samurai", and we see those people as DIFFERENT. You see, the Sioux and the Samurai were not tolerant. They did not base their existence on seeing just how little they could believe and still survive. They were warlike, and fought virtually anyone who differed from them in even minor ways.

Yet, internally, they belonged to one another. They understood one another. There were bonds of kinship, friendship, trust, and shared ritual. They were, in sociological terms, not alienated from one another, or the world, which they connected with, and accepted.

I look at our modern mass media society, and the vey POINT of both our education and on-going indoctrination process is to alienate us. It is to decouple us from ANY principles and beliefs which make us special, or unique. An EU judge just ruled that all the crucifixes have to come down in Italy. What is the point of this? Not to improve the lives of Italian schoolchildren. All the atheistic socialists have is hedonism and mass society. There is nothing else. It is an amoral creed.

And many of you don't grasp this. You then accuse me of some variant of the crime of ideological non-conformity, typically while pretending you have retained some capacity to defend the indefensible.

Comment #138 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 3:10 AM

Returning to the issue at hand, this is painful for many of you. You don't know what to do. You feel lost in a sea of information. You know California can't keep it up, but it hasn't hit YOU yet, so you carry on with whatever diversions enable you to keep your heads in the sand. Maybe you play video games; maybe you obsess over CrossFit, which great as it is, is in the end just a great system of fitness; maybe you even consume news obsessively, but lacking a moral Rosetta Stone, are utterly unable to navigate the virtual infinity of information out there, which sooner or later overwhelms you.

I take these things seriously, and propose solutions constantly. I don't just complain.

Do you remember that ad from the 1970's of the Indian crying? What was so powerful about that ad? That we understand, intuitively, that tribal peoples--when they existed "in the wild", uncorrupted by our material wealth, and in their case political tyranny--possess a deep sense of dignity, and CARING about deep issues affecting their community.

Dignity--gravitas--is not found in overweight suburban kids who grow up eating pizza in large quantities and playing World of Warcraft. We sprout people with the moral weight of mushrooms. It's not their fault--they just imbibe the air around them. And this air includes viral Leftism, which is the root of our abandonment of the sacred.

The problems in California can be solved. The problems of the United States can be solved. But only by serious people who understand you can't get something for nothing.

Right now, the approach California is taking is: well, the Federal credit card isn't maxed out yet, so we'll just ride on their coat tails.

Right now, the approach the Federal Government is taking is "well, the credit cards aren't maxed out yet, so we'll just ride the coat tails of the Chinese."

We can't keep this spending up. Just as California cedes sovereignty to the Federal Government--indeed, as all of the STates have been compelled to in the modern era--so too will the United States be forced to cede sovereignty to some other international group, which is not going to be primarily interested in catering, on an on-going basis, to the needs of febrile and self indulgent children.

We have been the de facto international currency. This can change. We have been the de facto guarantors of international peace. That, too, can change. And not everyone is as nice as we are. Many view us not with the anger of an abusive power, but with the contempt reserved for the morally weak, short sighted, and foolish.

Comment #139 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 3:11 AM

It looks like the Senate is ready to vote on the 2,000 page destruction of individual choice in healthcare as early as Saturday.

Do those of you who want to defend this monstrosity even have a rudimentary grasp of what is at stake here? We could have single payer within five years of the 2013 date it is set to take effect. We are ALREADY going to double our 12 trillion dollar deficit within the next ten years.

That doesn't even COUNT the HUGE deficits this thing will create. We literally creating a brand new--COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY--Federal bureaucracy from scratch that in the best possible scenario will only do what the private sector does less well, and at higher cost. The most likely scenario is this thing will cost at least 10x what they say it will--which is something on the order of ANOTHER $10 Trillion over the next ten years--it won't achieve 100% coverage, it will put people in jail who refuse to buy policies (at least in the Pelosi version) and it will in short order put a HUGE section of workforce out of work, while INCREASING the number in the Federal Government.

If the American people don't wake up, the only conclusion is that the World of Warcrafters, and the diligent drones who never rose above their indoctrination simply don't want or deserve freedom.

I truly believe this is the case. Many of you don't want or understand the point and value of freedom. You want to be told what to do.

Despite the best efforts of me and other people who think like me, you may yet succeed in overturning the greatest system of governance the world has ever known. We all die; our nation can be no different. But some of us will mourn for it, and some of you will drink your lattes right to and past the brink.

You will wake up only when Starbucks goes out of business, and you are forced to move into an unheated hovel, hungry. Only someone fully ignorant of history could claim that is impossible.

Comment #140 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 3:29 AM


So good to see the right wing propaganda is still going strong on the rest days. I guess we have coach to thank for posting this stuff. I would imagine he finds it funny.

Looks like some one here is under employed and has been overloading on Glenn Beck and the Big Fat Pill popper.

Barry a word of advice: If you are going to rail against people on the left for making broad statements and extreme "leftist" opinions that are not backed up by any facts - It would probably be best if you stopped with the silly right wing extremism and backed up your argument with coherent logic and factual information.

I know it is not as sensational, the truth and all, but it lends this thing called credibility to your online persona.

Comment #141 - Posted by: arnold stokley at November 20, 2009 5:12 AM

Here you see a French bank warning that the "California model", applied globally, could well lead to a general international collapse:

Here is how it works: if you borrow money to create jobs, you mortgage your future to pay for jobs today. Yes, people hired by the government spend money. But they spend money created in the private sector, as mediated by money borrowed from the Chinese.

As we borrow, borrow, borrow, two things happen in sequence. First, we make ourselves less and less palatable as a borrower. Our credit score goes down. As credit scores go down, what happens? The interest rates we are charged go up.

Right now we are spending some $500 billion a year just to pay our debts. This money creates no jobs (in this country), and realizes no social benefits whatsoever.

This is one more aspect of the high tax/low benefit model.

This amount will double just as a result of doubling our debt, to where we are paying some $1 trillion a year just to service our debt. But wait, that's not all, there's more: if you don't act now, the interest rate will go up, and on the same amount of money we now pay 1.2 or 1.5 trillion.

And if we are going to pay it back, that all has to be colleced in taxes. Money paid to the government is NOT spent in creating jobs. Thus, every cent we borrow discourages job creation. Every cent. Every cent the government spends, even if it didn't borrow it, discourages job creation. Every cent.

These things are well known. They are common sense, and simply beyond dispute by any ratinal human being living in this universe.

Of course, that won't prevent some of you from disputing them, particularly since I just made a general claim you can now cut and paste, and use the generic "he must be wrong, since he just made a general statement". Try it. See what happens.

Comment #142 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 5:17 AM

"It would probably be best if you stopped with the silly right wing extremism and backed up your argument with coherent logic and factual information."

Dear child,

I pity you. Please get out your big boy dictionary, then look up "logic", and then "fact". Your assignment is to write a 100 word essay on the difference between making assertions (look it up--it's under "A") and the use of "facts" and "logic".

If you want an example, what you need to do is read Barry's post number 143, where he explains in words even little children can understand why growing our debt load is the stupidest policy possible under the circumstances.

You can do it. Not all of us are equal to meeting our own expectations, but if you try, you might just do better than you think.

Carry on. Chin up. It's not so hard. You can do it.

Comment #143 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 5:22 AM

We all know that B. Cooper's posts are like sand paper charmin. But he does state some good facts. So you guys that are in disgust why don't you lay down some counter arguments with your own idea and facts. That's the whole idea of the rest day posts. Then let the rest of us decide on our own which one makes rational sense.

And yes CA is the mini-me of what is happening @ the Federal level. You can't run the gov. just like you can't run a business model like this. Both will fail. And for you guys that think well just tax the so-called rich more. Just like in business there is a fine line in which you set your price. Same goes for taxing. You will get less revenue and overall less productivity. You can not have bigger gov with a shrinking private sector.

Comment #144 - Posted by: tracy at November 20, 2009 5:42 AM

For the record, my posts get deleted too. I'd be surprised if 144 stayed there. It lowers me to the level of the average brainwashed leftist.

I will say, though, that a careful observer can watch these sorts of things for a long time, and get this uneasy sense you are dealing with a cult. They say the same things. They quite literally can't hear what you are saying. They speak with this rudimentary, sound bite size language, that invariably reduces to a slogan they can't back.

Painful as it is for me to read--since he's right, and was right 40 years ago--I am continuing my trudge through Jacques Elluls excellent book "Propagandas". In my most recent chapter, he talks about the prerequisites for propaganda. One of them is a mass society, which as he says is simultaneously individualistic and anonymous. Individualistic in that modernizing processes have separated the properly indoctrinated (non-hicks) from their roots. They are no longer bound to a web of reciprical duties and socially encoded communal rights. Achieving this state, in fact, is called "liberation" by propagandists.

At the same time, having achieved freedom from duties to community, family, church and country, they don't know what to do with their freedom. It is the solitary individual against the whole. And the whole expresses itself in mass media. This mass media is saturated top to bottom with alienating propaganda.

Ellul applies the term "Mithridatization" to the result. This term describes how a system can slowly become accustomed to a toxin by progressively ingesting small, then increasingly larger doses of it, to where relative immunity is acquired.

So modern Americans can be surrounded all day every day, cradle to grave, with propaganda--to be clear, with viewpoints impressed upon them that they cannot defend--and never notice.

So when people come on here and see me making my cases--using the basic process assertion-fact-logic--they don't know what to do. They have been trained that "right wingers" are crazy, and since my viewpoints are not orthodox, they call me right wing. And this is it. This is as far as they get. What creativity they use pertains to unusual and oblique ways to introduce ad hominem (not a CrossFitter; too judgemental; too verbose; too arrogant), and never to change their actual arguments. Since they didn't take the trouble to reach their views, they have no architectural elements they can rearrange. It's the whole or nothing. There is no pliability, no possibility for creative interaction.

And this is how Obama got elected. With 50-60 years of aggression towards our media, schools, churches, and our legal apparatus, left wing propagandists have made the absurd palatable, because invisible.

Churchill called World War 2 "The Unnecessary War". And you can look back and see he was absolutely correct. We have the secret notes of Hitler and his General Staff. We can compare what he said publicly with what he planned privately. We can see that Chamberlain was a fool, beginning to end, played by an expert like a violin.

The coming Depression will be the "Unnecessary Depression". We know how things work. The basics of money are not that complicated. It's just that we are being lied to by people whose goals are not compatible with an independent United States, governed through a principled adherence to our Constitution. A financial crisis might serve the purpose that the Global Warming hoax might not: creating a World government, to which we are beholden.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is why our Founders sought to spread power out as much as possible. To do the opposite is to invite, openly, the inevitable result.

Comment #145 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 7:24 AM

Barry -
you've probably already heard "Wallbuilders" out of Texas - if not check them out

Comment #146 - Posted by: cl at November 20, 2009 7:53 AM

barry, surprised to hear you're a berkeley grad. i'm trying to imagine you hanging out on telegraph ave in tie-dye, smoking a blunt. went to see robert reich in conversation with berkeley mayor tom bates last night. you would have loved it. his best line was "an economist is a person who didn't have the personality to become an accountant".

mike deminico, 3 days at a cert in santa cruz seems a rather short time and narrow experience to be so dismissive of CA's "state, county, town, and village government". come back some time and bring an open mind.

Comment #147 - Posted by: Joe P at November 20, 2009 8:52 AM

Arnold at #142,
What you posted was actually - probably not ironically - propaganda, what Barry posted was an argument.

Comment #148 - Posted by: phil g atlanta, ga cf since 8/21/09 at November 20, 2009 8:56 AM

one man's argument is another man's propaganda. isn't that obvious?

Comment #149 - Posted by: Joe P at November 20, 2009 8:56 AM

Jeff #136,
Based purely on factors such as clarity of thought and organization of argument backed by evidence, data and fact, yes so far Barry is the victor of these debates.

Other than Nick, I've seen nothing but insults and summary dismissals with no counter argument.

Typical shallow leftist tactics.

Comment #150 - Posted by: phil g atlanta, ga cf since 8/21/09 at November 20, 2009 9:01 AM

Basically, the way I see it, there's 4 "pillars" to the current AGW theory, none of which has been cut down by any of these "skeptics" so far:

1) Our knowledge of chemistry and atmospherics predicts CO2 as a GHG
2) The past climate record is consistent with CO2 amplifying the temperature rises
3) There has never been an independent event causing CO2 to rise before temperature, until now. And it's rising a _lot_.
4) Temperature now is beginning to rise as would be predicted from CO2-GHG models.

Comment #151 - Posted by: Luke at November 20, 2009 9:30 AM


There you go again with accusations of "ad hominem". I wasn't attacking you or your character (my language might have been a bit harsh, but nowhere near some of the posts you put up e.g. #144), but really questioning your decision to use this website as a platform. Doesn't make sense to me.

Comment #152 - Posted by: jeff at November 20, 2009 9:37 AM

For those who want to learn, read through this thread. Who is trying to solve problems, and who views dismissive sarcasm as dignified? Hell, I'm embarrassed, frankly, I reduced myself to it. It's like reading the local newspaper: it sucks thoughts out of my brain.

#154: you need to get out more. Here is all the data you actually need: the Hockey Stick in the late 90's predicted that CO2 and temperature are linked, and therefore that continued increases in CO2 emissions would necessarily lead to continued increases in temperature. This hasn't happened. The oceans in fact appear to be cooling. This hypothesis was falsified by measurable data. It was wrong.

Yet the "consensus"--funded by the UN, and fellow travelling socialist bureaucrats throughout the world--continues to insist that its models--which have failed so far--MUST be right.

Your points: 1) CO2 IS a greenhouse gas. It accounts for somewhere between 5-40% of the so-called Greenhouse effect. What accounts for the rest? Do you have to look it up? Look in a mirror first. Please.

2) This is simply wrong. The past climate record is that CO2 lags temperature, and that it has reached levels 10x what we have today. We have had atmospheric CO2 levels in the 7,000ppm range, which had NOTHING to do with humans. We weren't there, you see.

3) See number 2. CO2 is stored in the oceans, and released when as-yet unmodeled processes cause the Earth to warm.

4) See number one. The Earth is NOT doing what the models predicted. We are continuing to INCREASE CO2 emissions, and the Earth is cooling.

It is only complete propaganda saturation that enables you to believe even for a moment that the "science is settled". The only thing that is settled is that there are no honest scientists in the AGW movement.

For the nitpickers: I'm here, I'm not leaving, and the last time I had dinner with Coach he didn't have anything negative to say about my website presence. In fact, he is the one who introduced me to Friedrich Hayek, and the fondness we share for the work of Paul Johnson is one of the things that caused me to land and stay here in the first place.

Comment #153 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 9:53 AM

Luke #154

"4) Temperature now is beginning to rise as would be predicted from CO2-GHG models."

Are your referring to average temperature of the entire earth?

Comment #154 - Posted by: cl at November 20, 2009 9:57 AM

#156 - Calgary CF

If that is the same Barry Cooper - do his arguments not stand?

If a criminal says 2 plus 2 equals 4 is it incorrect because he/she is a criminal?

Comment #155 - Posted by: cl at November 20, 2009 10:04 AM

Unfortunately, to "your people", there is no global warming, Adam and Eve cavorted with Velociraptors, creation is only 6k years old and evolution can't possibly happen are all the same people, and they think Creationism and such is still open for debate.

You want us to have a debate, a "trial", to argue if global warming exists with people who still think that it was a really good idea to elect George Bush twice and blow up entire mountains to get coal? You want us to have a debate, a "trial", to argue if global warming exists with people who believe that the Bible is the LITERAL Word of God?

What, so your constituency can make a few more dollars?

I don't think so.

Comment #156 - Posted by: NicetryBarry at November 20, 2009 10:17 AM

#161 You've spent the night with Barry? I'd like to hear about that

#162 "and they think Creationism and such is still open for debate."

This is awesome, I'm finally going to find out how a single strand of DNA randomly formed

Please inform me - oh, and please use scientific evidence - I'm ok with peer-reiewed journal articles

Comment #157 - Posted by: cl at November 20, 2009 10:37 AM

#153 -- All of those are Barry Cooper quotes? Surely they were taken out of context? Why else would he say that torture is not effective on one hand and then, just very recently, claim that it is?

Why would he claim that doubling the troops in Afghanistan would not be effective and then decry the POTUS for NOT doubling the troops in Afghanistan?

Something is fishy here.

Comment #158 - Posted by: Steve M. at November 20, 2009 11:07 AM

Actually, a couple more thoughts.

There is a homology that can be drawn between CrossFit and debating in another way. In the WOD's (of which I've done thousands), you have to balance form and work. Not enough form and you injure yourself; too much form and you decrease the work output.

Likewise, I am capable of ratcheting myself back. I'm in a people business. I know how to keep weak people thinking well of themselves, and how to make dumb people feel smart. Most of the time I do this out of charity, since I am not a manipulator.

Yet, I feel very hesitant to do it here. Here is where I work out ideas. Here is where I put the same energy I put into the WOD's into thinking. This is a laboratory. If I spend too much time worrying about not stepping on people's toes, I won't maximize my use of time. I just want to say what is on my mind, and assume people here have thick enough skins to deal with it.

And what you are not seeing here is profanity, or me simply going off, even though I'm tempted.

But what I don't get is this: I regularly post beautiful, even poetic prose here; I encapsulate large, complex ideas into simple summaries, without doing violence to them. Love me or hate me, you have to admit I put the work in.

Yet what am I seeing? A collective spasm of reproach, based on ME and not on my ideas.

Here is my view: the ideas I am proposing make you nervous. You are covering your collective ears and screaming at me to stop. At ALL COSTS you DO NOT WANT TO HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

California is failing. America is failing. It's like the cancer of Randy Pausch. He gave his greatest lecture without a hint of a symptom. But it grew, and it killed him.

That is what you don't want to hear, so you are attacking me. I have broad shoulders. I can handle it. But if I become convinced that this sort of cowardice is becoming the norm and not the exception here, don't worry, I will show myself out.

Comment #159 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 20, 2009 11:10 AM

Ooops, there it is again. My abuse in post #162.

Don't worry Barry - the powers that be will not allow you to leave. Maybe you could do a little test though? Bet $1,000 you can't stop posting for 3 consecutive rest days?

Just remember: One day at a time and get to a 12-step meeting every day for those days.

Comment #160 - Posted by: Moral Highground at November 20, 2009 11:24 AM

it appears that many of the posts have been deleted above, which is a shame as I am enjoying reading through them en masse at 6am in Sydney.

I'm with barry et al on Global Warming. The green movement is where all the rent a mob agitators moved after unchaining themselves from the gates of army bases in the 80s.

I find the momentum it has created and the hegemony it enjoys in most of the world to be staggering. And if 10 years of declining world temperatures don't even pause the growth of this cottage industry, I have real concerns about how it well ever be dismantled.

we're having our first hot spell of the Australian summer here - it's about 100 in Sydney and a little hotter inland and predictably, the climate change nazis are out in force.

The media outlets are full of easy stories run by junior reporters about how the country is melting and our nidiotic prime minister (who one day will run the UN - remember the name Kevin Rudd). It took a 75 year old man to call a radio station and report that he had 15 straight days of over 110 when he left school to add perspective.

Comment #161 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 20, 2009 11:35 AM

Barry #143 your latte comment made me laugh.

In Australia, conservatives contantly refer to Labour party activists as 'latte drinkers'.

You should also use 'chardonnay sippers' - it send some people crazy

Comment #162 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 20, 2009 11:39 AM

Barry, based on the graphs at the NASA GISS site (link below), I don't see how you reached your conclusion that "the oceans in fact appear to be cooling". I see a recent dip in ocean temp, but it's not very long, and mean land temperature over the same period is increasing.

Nick #165, don't forget about "cheese eaters" and "Prius-driving tree-huggers". What would be some equivalent tweaks to p*ss off conservatives?

Comment #163 - Posted by: Joe P at November 20, 2009 12:15 PM

i guess they shut off debate. i submitted a post with a link to NASA GISS data, and it got flagged.

Comment #164 - Posted by: Joe P at November 20, 2009 1:10 PM

Luke said at post 154:

"Basically, the way I see it, there's 4 "pillars" to the current AGW theory, none of which has been cut down by any of these "skeptics" so far:

1) Our knowledge of chemistry and atmospherics predicts CO2 as a GHG
2) The past climate record is consistent with CO2 amplifying the temperature rises
3) There has never been an independent event causing CO2 to rise before temperature, until now. And it's rising a _lot_.
4) Temperature now is beginning to rise as would be predicted from CO2-GHG models."

I agree those are the pillars but unfortunately for the AGW or AGCC (Climate Change so you can have it both ways) truthers they are already crumbling if not toally collapsed.

1. This is still highly debated as is the whole concept of 'GHG'. CO2 is an essential element of life it is not a poison.

2. This theory has the cause/effect totally reversed based on the data. Large increases of C02 have followed global warming periods. The C02 rise came after as a possible result of warming not before and thus the cause of it. This data is so obvious I'm surpised the AGW truthers still dare to cite it. I guess they're counting on lots of stupid sheople.

3. Uhhhh no. This is just a variant of number 2. The CO2 has increased well after this last period of warming began towards the end of the 19th century.

4. This is the most ridiculous statement. Actually temperatures stopped increasing around 1998 and since steadily declined in total contradiction of all the great climate models out there. In fact the data used to create the 'catastrophic' temperature hockey stick increase have been exposed as possibly fradulantly manipulated. The models used data samples specifically selected out of a much larger data set to maximize the correlation of the model to the hypothesis. This is a growing scandal that you can Google yourself for info.

Sorry, I'm not buying any of the AGW propaganda. Too bad because I think there's a lot of benefits to a moderately warming earth, far more than a cooling earth. Regardless big 'ol Mr. sun and our great oceans are the likely primary drivers of our climate and I don't think we have a way to manage those.

Comment #165 - Posted by: phil g atlanta, ga cf since 8/21/09 at November 20, 2009 1:35 PM

Wow did this place get cleaned out. Keep that in mind anti-barry-ists - no jokes about alcohol.

This I just love. The yearning for recognition makes me misty:

"I regularly post beautiful, even poetic prose here; I encapsulate large, complex ideas into simple summaries, without doing violence to them. Love me or hate me, you have to admit I put the work in."

Comment #166 - Posted by: Steve M. at November 20, 2009 1:40 PM

#143, BC.

You are spot on my friend, spot on!

Comment #167 - Posted by: Greg/M2 at November 20, 2009 1:48 PM

Greg @ #170:

I agree. However, I am confused about one thing.

"Despite the best efforts of me and other[s]..."

What do you suppose Barry's 'best efforts' have been to further HIS ideas of what should happen with healthcare in the US?

Comment #168 - Posted by: Steve M. at November 20, 2009 2:08 PM

Hey Luke,
Since you brought up AGW, not sure why, but as this just came in over the fence glad you did. Well what many of us freer thinking folks have always suspected seems to be evidently true which is that this whole AGW sensation is a huge fraud, a conspiracy, please follow the link and do some Googling, enjoy...

Comment #169 - Posted by: phil g atlanta, ga cf since 8/21/09 at November 20, 2009 3:18 PM


Nate Silver has a good reaction to this at 538:

Comment #170 - Posted by: Nick at November 20, 2009 3:38 PM


Nate Silver has a good reaction to this at 538:
what you have is a scientist, Dr. Jones, talking candidly about [prettying] a graph to make his conclusions more persuasive. This is not a good thing thing to do -- I'd go so far as to call it unethical -- and Jones deserves some of the loss of face that he will suffer. Unfortunately, this is the sort of thing that happens all the time in both academia and the private sector -- have you ever looked at the graphs in the annual report of a company which had a bad year? And it seems to happen all too often on both sides of the global warming debate (I'd include some of the graphics from An Inconvenient Truth in this category, FWIW.)

But let's be clear: Jones is talking to his colleagues about making a prettier picture out of his data, and not about manipulating the data itself. Again, I'm not trying to excuse what he did -- we make a lot of charts here and 538 and make every effort to ensure that they fairly and accurately reflect the underlying data (in addition to being aesthetically appealing.) I wish everybody would abide by that standard.

Still: I don't know how you get from some scientist having sexed up a graph in East Anglia ten years ago to The Final Nail In The Coffin of Anthropogenic Global Warming. Anyone who comes to that connection has more screws loose than the Space Shuttle Challenger. And yet that's literally what some of these bloggers are saying!

Incidentally, 2009 is shaping up to be the 5th warmist year on record, according to the conspiracists at NASA.

Comment #171 - Posted by: Nick at November 20, 2009 3:40 PM

Not that I'm suggesting that there's nothing to be found in those emails: the suggestion of any messing with data is problematic, and should be investigated and punished if proven. This is well outside my area; I'd just be cautious about jumping to the conclusion that everything about AGW in peer-reviewed journals is somehow destroyed by association.

Comment #172 - Posted by: Nick at November 20, 2009 3:46 PM

Well if it's Nate Silver than by all means it must be a false positive. Puhlease...Nate is a regular poster on the Daily Kos and is an Obama supporter and admittedly votes Democrat most of the time. That's all part of the big AGW club.

I'll wait until more objective and credible criticism emerges. For now it looks, smells and tastes like FRAUD, perhaps it's just my lyin' eyes and twisted uncommon sense.

When this fraud bubble bursts a lot of sacred cows, government grants and fortunes are going to die. Wonder if all those dieing sacred cows will harm the atmosphere?

Comment #173 - Posted by: phil g atlanta, ga cf since 8/21/09 at November 20, 2009 4:55 PM

While this might not in and of itself be a huge smoking howitzer against AGW it is yet more of the growing evidence that there's something very rotten about the AGW zeitgeist. This comes in on top of the recent discovery that the sample temperature data used in the AGW model(s) that show a tremendous acceleration of warming over future periods had to have been very carefully chosen as random sample data sets and the average of the entire data base did not result in anything close to the hockey stick results that have fueled Gore's fanatical rantings and the various reactionary actions of US and international governments.

Intelligent people like you could stand to apply a bit more skepticism to this suspicious affair...unless you don't really care about the truth and are simply satisfied with the idea of AGW because it feels right.

Comment #174 - Posted by: phil g atlanta, ga cf since 8/21/09 at November 20, 2009 6:03 PM


Again, this is outside my area of expertise (if there even is such a thing). Not being snarky: do you have a cite for the suspicious temperature data?

Comment #175 - Posted by: Nick at November 20, 2009 7:27 PM

Steve M @ #171,

Probably his voting record. :)

Comment #176 - Posted by: Greg/M2 at November 20, 2009 7:54 PM

Bwt: 199
45lb cleans and 120 off assisted dips
21-15-09 for time

Comment #177 - Posted by: Buela at November 20, 2009 8:22 PM

Thank you for crossfit. I have been gradually stepping into the workouts as I have been able to, and have been roused out of what I now realize was an acceptance of age as an excuse for diminishing abilities. From my military background, I have had a pretty high standard of what physical conditioning was. Well, thanks to Crossfit, I'm back in the Game! I love this philosophy! My first completed WOD as rx'd. From the comments here, I focused on form, and had no trouble. I can't wait for the next one!


Comment #178 - Posted by: ed rider at November 20, 2009 8:43 PM

No problem I should have cited my sources in my post. Here's a link to the specific topic of the data sets:

Read through the same author's other entries on the topic of Global Warming here:

The author is an engineer and government contractor to NASA so it is really not in his best interest to go against the public support that the head of NASA has stated for AGW; he's a person who's committed to finding truth where ever it may lead. He's a self identified political independent moderate who's very critical of both far right and far left agitators.

I tell you all of that because a sources's possible associations are important to understand the possible motivations behind their statements/opinions. Associations don't necessarily discredit them, but it's at least helpful context to aid your truth filter.


Comment #179 - Posted by: phil g atlanta, ga cf since 8/21/09 at November 21, 2009 3:55 AM

The principle architect of the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax is a man on the Federal payroll at NASA, James Hansen. He is a crook and a fraud, just like Al Gore. The data in favor of this THEORY is overwhelming.

As I mentioned, the basic correllation of CO2 output and temperature has been falsified by the last ten years. They have NO solid explanation of why their models were wrong, except to posit things like "cooling trends in the oceans", which just push the problem back a bit. This is simply the case. There is no debating it, although you can try if you like.

I have done this debate dozens of times. Nearly two years ago now, I got mad, and wrote this, which covers the issue:

Now, I could improve on it. The data available to me has only gotten better, but this is not bad.

Jeff Glassman has an even more rigorous, scientifically formatted treatment here:

This from a man who spent a career creating computer models.

To be clear, a computer model is a hypothesis. If, like any other hypothesis, it makes a prediction that doesn't come true, it is wrong.

Comment #180 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 21, 2009 5:18 AM

As far as the "hog pile on Barry" today, a few comments.

First, as far as the drinking, CrossFit, to me, is not a physical fitness program. It is a mental fitness program which has enabled me to develop a much higher emotional pain tolerance. I live in an arid place, where quite literally I don't think one person on Earth understands fully what is going on in my brain 90% of the time.

This affects my relationships, and the overall ease with which I move through the social universe. Yet, I am trying to solve real problems, and put them out there. I am intensely frustrated by the ineptitude and moral cowardice of our intellectual elites. They are drooling cretins who if the world were just would be the first casualties of the revolution they are trying to foment. But the world, as we all know, is only as just as the human being who occupy it, and the word justice was first emptied of content, then refilled with something very diffferent.

Alcohol is a tonic for me, an emotional anesthetic. It makes me more productive, because I can take larger chances. If you don't understand that, I'm not surprised.

More generally, my overall reaction to the obviously somewhat widespread frustration at me is, on balance, sadness. You call can see long paragraphs, assume it's me, then skip them. You can skip the Rest Day discussions entirely. You could, God forbid, contribute some small bit you thought you could defend. If you fail OR succeed, you've learned something.

But what is gained by trying to hurt my feelings and drive me from the board? Seriously, what positive derives from this? Less long winded, know-it-all posts? If that is your view of me, then you probably either aren't reading what I write, or understanding even half of it.

Assessed rationally, in my view, I add a lot of useful content to these discussions, so why would people want to consciously pursue mediocrity?

Here is the view I expressed earlier, in slightly different words: I create; you don't. This dichotomy creates cognitive dissonance in you, and risks showing you the extent to which you have been conditioned to be an unthinking conformist and drone. The whole POINT of indoctrination is to simultaneously create identical viewpoints across wide swathes of people, while convincing them they came up with them on their own, since they are "obvious".

I worry most, currently, about the preventable economic and political problems I see coming down the pike. But the larger, underlying problem is moral. Listen to our music--take "Down with the sickness" as just one of thousands of examples. Read it as poetry. Read it as someone from another culture. What would you conclude? Would it be something other than that we are in a state of cultural collapse?

I tell you what: I'll beg off until two Saturdays from now. I have 42 voicemails I need to take off, and really should be focusing on my book and website any way.

Let's see how much my critics are then able to add to the discussion, without my pretentiousness, or whatever you want to call it.

Comment #181 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 21, 2009 5:31 AM

I'll bet $100 that "Down with the Sickness" is on every* affiliate's Ipod and played daily.

Not sure what that means other than if a song can somehow signal the end of a certain morality, then cf is necessarily helping.

My grandparents had a sh*t fit apparently when my mom bought the LP "Elvis Presley" in 1956.

* +/- 5%

Comment #182 - Posted by: Steve M. at November 21, 2009 8:53 AM

Hi Barry,

don't do that. This place is way more interesting with you on it.

I think the personal reaction to you, of which I am sometimes guilty myself, is due to the intimidating length and volumen of your posts and because we don't have the means or time to repudiate your claims.

You take strident positions, ones that I often disagree with intuitively, despite not having conclusively thought through opinions of my own that I'm prepared to expose to critique. So...pulling holes in your views or the extremes of your language becomes an easier way to undermine your arguments than to go through the depth of your content.

From one perspective, it is sad that this can't be a pure exchange of views against a more supportive backdrop. TO some degree, your argument encourages this reaction because your language is very often win - lose with attempts to belittle.

I have learned through reading these rest day articles, that you very clearly care intensely about your country and it's future. In the corporate world I have learned that I can forgive almost everything else if my employees or contacts really believe in what they say & do.

And from a personal perspective, as a Politics, Philosophy & Economics grad, your presence on the rest day boards has helped flex my political/current affairs muscles, which have become egregiously underdeveloped after 15 years in business and as a father.

I'll understand if you would prefer to spend more time on your book or other projects where you may receive fewer brickbats. But selfishly, I'd prefer to be able to check in every 4 days and become enraged enough to respond or amuse myself with other people's attempts to disagree

this board is more interesting and stimulating with Barry Cooper

Comment #183 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 21, 2009 1:13 PM

as an aside, where do you live? Was the arid place you describe metaphorical or actual?

Comment #184 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 21, 2009 1:16 PM


No pension should be guaranteed by the taxpayer to pay a retired state employee 100k per year.

If the former state employee paid contributions that would, according to the terms of a contract entered into with a PRIVATE pension provider, give that former employee a pension of 100k per annum, then that's fine.

However, the taxes collected from a non-state employee taxpayer should not be used to pay for a pension of 100k for a former state employee. The non-state employee was not a party to the contract between the state and the state-employee.

If you work for company A, and company A promises you a pension of 100k per year, but company A can't pay for it, would company A be permitted to take the earnings of company B to pay for your pension? No. If the state (AS EMPLOYER) wants to promise certain pension benefits to its employees, then it must deliver those benefits as an EMPLOYER of those persons, not as the COLLECTOR OF TAXES from OTHER PERSONS WHO ARE NEITHER THE SIGNATORIES NOR THE BENEFACTORS of the pension agreement between the state (AS EMPLOYER) and the former state employee.

The state should fund the pensions of its employees by the same means that private employers fund the pensions of their employees.

The state should not be permitted to use its taxation power to fund its former employees.


You are a psychological study. People "watch" you. They don't "read" you. This is rather mean-spirited of me to say, but your rantings more often than not impoverish the level of debate on this site. They make it comedy, they make it very, very, very, very, predictable. One rant is fine. But several thousand words per day sets the tone for the whole blog.

Comment #185 - Posted by: Prole at November 21, 2009 9:34 PM

I agree Prole.

What happens though if they can't pay via those means? I assume they get sued by former employees and lose in court.

So then who pays?

Comment #186 - Posted by: nick in sydney m/38/6ft/183 at November 21, 2009 9:58 PM

congrats on 41st place...train for a few more months and u will prob win the whole thing...

Comment #187 - Posted by: miguelito at November 22, 2009 7:03 AM

I just posted to the last Rest Day about ad hominem and then caught up with the above.

It seems that certain posts might be deleted but it reads, Barry, as if you got a bit of a kicking. As we both know, we disagree about pretty much everything. But I hope you do stay posting.

I will say about your posts (as opposed to about you), that I don't like "chest-beating" element about how you're the greatest and will outlast everyone etc., and how "The Left" are shallow idiots with no moral compass and are evil. It detracts from your substantive and relevant arguments. I also hope you edit your posts down a little in size and cast a more critical editorial eye over them. At times, IMHO, you've posted very good stuff, so I do think you're capable of adding to the understanding here for a wider audience.

Why would you take that sort of comment from me? "A Leftist"? No reason - and I hope I have not caused offence. The comments are offered with sincerity and are less important than the primary message which is to tell you to stay around - even if we agree on nothing.


Comment #188 - Posted by: J1 at November 22, 2009 10:58 AM

Thanks for the support. I'm not quitting. This is not me being a drama queen. I have just realized I am tired, and that if I took things just slightly less seriously--at least in public--I would almost certainly be more effective.

In my own creed, it is not intent that matters, but results. It is not and never will be enough for me to be merely right.

For what it's worth, Nick and J1, I would be willing to grant you the status of liberals, since you appear to be trying to actually solve problems, and just differ from me on means. Being liberal, for me, is a good thing.

That's it for a while, tempted as I am to respond to other things.

Comment #189 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at November 22, 2009 11:32 AM

What the government offers in "services," it delivers poorly and inefficiently. We need less of it--at all levels of federalism--and its accompanying taxes.

Taxation is force. If the exchange in services were free by mutual agreement, government would have been sent packing long ago.


Ernest 39/M/61"/165

Comment #190 - Posted by: twiki2 at December 8, 2009 6:56 PM
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