After the last few days...

a sincere "thank you", to Coach G.

i'm posting for yesterday WOD

8min58 a pr by almost 2 min and a half

I,ll enjoy this rest day

mmmm "rest is anabolic"

Here's my 49.5 " Box jump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITbP3Zrv_k

Cool pic! Nice jump.

Great videos. It feels like only yesterday when they posted that video of Josh Everett ripping through 'Isabel' (sp!) in sub 1:30, and I was thinking how insane it was. Great work to both athletes.

Great videos. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who has to chase the darn barbell around the gym everytime snatches come up. I guess I could alleviate that by not letting go...ha.
One thing I would like to point out is that in the older crossfit videos, some "closed-captions" were included that stated when form failed, how it failed, and why...basically giving the viewer pointers and showing them that, while the workout is impressive, it is not to be perfectly emulated because it is not perfect. I wish the newer videos included this same addition. I personally learned the most as a new crossfitter by reading the explanations as the videos played. Just a thought.

Awesome effort by both Isabelle endurers today.

Great arm swing on the box jump sequence. Such an overlooked part of the movement.

man that video of Libson doing isabelle is insane!

not suprised by that though, saw him at the competition at Crossfit KOP and knew he'd be capable of something like that! i mean 3 rounds of 30 wallballs 20#, 15 C & J 115# in sub 8?!

didnt get a chance to talk to him at the competition, hope on meeting him soon at any upcoming crossfit event!

haha, Dave you animal, sub one minute next time!!

That was craaaaaaaaazy.

Yeah, every time I hear an ad for University of Phoenix, I wonder.

I wonder about the quality of Phoenix, and the value of my education at Virginia Tech. I value the interactions of classes, but the lack of standards, the loosey-goosey rules that entire departments can live by, it all adds up to almost a null comparison. Go to college, drink your a*s off, get some B's-C's in basic classes, have no real interaction with professors and only middling interactions with your 'peers', and then get into the job market and find you could have done that for 1/3 the cost.

The internet does great things for us as a society, but at some point, the real world is going to have to compete with the alternate version of itself.

...Wow.

watched both glory and dave compete at the mid-atlantic hopper hosted by CrossfitBWI. Both of em are the real deal. Way to represent!!!

I heart Glory!!

Lipson, you're a beast!

About 10 years ago, I paid for living expenses in grad school by writing papers for other students and was always (slightly) concerned that I would get caught. (For those of you who are going to get all high and mighty--whatever--I called them 'research briefs' and don't know or care what anyone did with them) Online colleges could start a whole closet industry in this regard. Talk about work from home! Yes, I sleep well at night.

I remember watching Dave do Isabell at the CF908 opener. 1:06 hungover...nasty.

i tend to be optimistic about the benefit a strong education can provide, and while i don't think you necessarily need a degree from any school at any level to be successful, i'm glad that there's an option out there like u of phoenix for those whom formal uni isn't an option (single-parents, etc.)

I am not sure if this is the right forum, but I have two suggestions.
1. Could you post when the last time that WOD has been done? It is nice to be able to know a date to look back at for that WOD.
2. Could you also post weights in terms of % of 1 rep max? It helps those of us who aren't able to do quite as heavy as Rx'd!!
Thanks!!

great isabelle's. wouldn't have thought anyone could match josh e. on that one.

Great videos!!!
However In my opinion Glory may have jeopardized most of her reps!!! When watching Dave's video (witch by the way is amazing)is possible to see his snatches failing just by the end of the Isabel! Glory starts in a way high position with a round back and pressing the Barbell over her Head to finish the movement in most of her reps.
I just wonder, If wasn't better scale down a bit in her case!!
The following link is what I try to pursuit when I am doing a snatch!
- Flat back
- Explosion
- Extension
- Entering under the BB
- Squatting it Up
http://www.cathletics.com/exercises/videos/snatch.mov

Just some thoughts!!

Brenna, the date that the WOD was last done is posted directly after the curren WOD. It says something like "compare to ..."

I haven't been doing this programming for too long, but I think the idea is to scale the weight as necessary until you can get do the workout as rx'd.

Hope this helps.

#17 Brenna,

Right under the WOD it will say, "compare to _____" with 6 digits saying the last date that that workout was posted. If you click on that number it will take you back to that date.

I wonder what the vertical leap is on that jump. Maybe 24"? I wonder what height platform someone with a 40"+ vertical leap could jump to.

YEAHHHH GLORYYYYY!!!!!! Awesome job guys!

was glory using 95#? If so that was amazing. And david, I am speechless...

Wow apparently Dave and Glory are amazing at lifting weights. Nice job guys! Who's first to go sub 1:00?!?

Ty's opening his own Crossfit affiliate on November 1st. Stop by Crossfit Initiative in Reno (www.fitnessreno.com) and say hi.

Glory Lawson is a badass!! HUGE UPS!! enjoyed cheering her on at the Games. GO GIRL!! My wod tonight.... 5 rounds - 20 pullups (tiny band), 40 push ups, 60 bw squats 21:18 :) hAPPY REST DAY EVERYONE!!

Check out www.crossfitwilmington.com, our young David hits a 63" box jump and Dawn a 46". Good stuff!

I hate to be a dick, but HEELS ON THE BOX!

GO GLORY! :)

Hey everyone thank you so much for the flattering and encouraging comments. It's an honor to make the mainsite and I'm so happy for myself and for Glory. I applaud her performance and a hope everyone knows how she is not only an amazing competitor, but also the sweetest girl you could ever meet, just an outstanding person.
Couple of obvious things to comment on. Yes, the last couple reps are pressouts and in the forum of a traditional olympic weightlifting competition, they would not count. However this is CrossFit. We're moving the weight from the ground to overhead as fast as we can, as long as we can, keeping with the standard of leg, hip, shoulder and arm extension at the top. I certainly would'nt press the bar off my head and expect it to count, but I was going to failure and loosing technique... definately.
I'm going to try again for a sub 1 maybe in a couple weeks. If it's gonna happen, letting go of the bar is not an option (like I did on my 27th rep). Whoever finally does gets sub 1, it will be more of a mental challenge of will and focus I think.
Thanks again
-Dave

Gaucoin, its good to see ya posting :-)

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

This Operation Phoeinx really gets my goat. The founder of Phoenix University got his start organizing (and then buying up at cut-throat prices) the wholesale fish businesses of Baltimore. Made a killing under the protection of the local political bosses (guess which party?!), and then through connections with the new friends of quid-pro-Obamo diversified his racket to the point where he's making obscene profits from providing substandard education (let's face it) for the nation's substandard students. And he pumps his money into ACORN like Obama pumps the treasury - hard, fast and clumsy - http://rightwingnutbar/johnsperling/walkedmao'schowchow

After 5 months of doing progressions, finally got my first MU today. In fact, i got my first 5. Hadn't tried in a few weeks (stuck with progressions with the rings lowered for the last few WODs that had MUs). Just so happened that it was my birthday, so I figured, what a great present to myself it would be... Just wanted to say thanks to this community for literally changing my life over the past year. Did my first WOD last November, and started really sticking with the programming in Feb. Now Im six weeks into Paleo/Zone, have completed my first half marathon (1:40:15), signed up for two more, training for a half Ironman in the spring, all the standard exponential strength gains. Though i rarely post anything, I stay up late reading everyone's comments, even Barry. My wife has a new term borrowed from golf, CrossFit Widow. To another successful year, even though this is the last birthday I will admit to (29).

One of Rip's latest projects: 70's Big. Funny stuff. Check out the "Food FAQ". So....I guess Zone wasn't around in the 70's.

http://70sbig.com/?page_id=6

after watching those videos.... reaction.... i cant do that

I love seeing the workouts but Glory's form with rounded back etc is hard to watch. As we know form will break down, but it looks as if it breaks down way too early in this workout for her. I would not show this to a potential client and tell them to emulate her at all. I heart her but would offer the suggestions.

Ty! - Sweet picture brother. Don't mind the haters. That is a great jump!

Glory was lifting 95#, 30 reps, going for under 3 min, which she did! Have fun challenging yourselves and pushing yourselves to your max. The beauty of CrossFit is just trying to do it, and if you fail to meet your goal, you get to try again and again until you do! The cool thing about Crossfitters is their drive to personally excel, great job Glory, keep it up!

Hey...that's my school!

Just trying to fill the square...I mean, obtain a higher education! ;)

Thanks all for the encouraging words and constructive criticism!! I also feel honored to be on the mainsite...and I also must applaud Dave for such an amazing performance!!! I've had the honor of competing with Dave and just have had the opportunity to get to know him. He is an awesome athlete and a stellar person. I could definitely be more aware of form next time around.......I always like to be challenged just to see if i can do it......great stuff!!

Thanks Travis :-)
The jump was nothing. Getting your picture on the main site... now there's an accomplishment!! I need to see what my max box jump is now. I'm about 17 pounds lighter than I was when we took those pix...

sub 1 min isabel will be something to see

ecp2,
I'm guessing probably about 16 inches higher. I used a little trick called arithmetic. Just out of curiosity, did you get your education at the University of Phoenix?

Are there are Affiliates or individual CF'ers in the Westfield, Mass area?

Looking to get in a WOD while traveling next week (Wednesday, 11/4 early AM).

Please shoot me an email:
janine@ptd.net

Thanks!

http://70sbig.com is not Rip's project.

Thanks for the responses. Now I feel silly for not looking before (blush)...

I LOVE the diversity of rest day articles. well done whoever picks them.

I wonder if there's a parellel between online universities being slammed by brick & mortar schools and online fitness movemnents being slammed by the traditional fitness industry...

Math Wizard - you're probably right. I think 62" would be about right if the person was the same size. I personally would be happy to make a 48" jump. I want to try it but I'm sure I'd injure myself somehow.

GLORY!!!! heck yeah, girl! great job! way to represent our little gym! its great to see you on the main page and i hope san diego is treating you well!

ck

I did a 48inch jump and I'm only 5'6"
whats a good jump per the persons height?

CC

1000m Row
10 thurster 65 lb
10 pull up
10 push up

800
8-8-8
600
6-6-6
400
4-4-4
200
2-2-2

Feelin great today.
Can anyone recommend a WOD with some running and no pullups?
Doin the armstrong pullup program and todays a rest day.
-Russ

#49 Robert
Great post, I was thinking the same thing.

Mike, #52

I am 5'7" and did 49.5 " so your jump is really good!I think anything over 45" is a great height for anybody. There is a guy at my affiliate who can jump OVER a 32" box on one leg.....

#54 Russ

Kelly
Five rounds for time of:
Run 400 meters
30 box jump, 24 inch box
30 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball

Michael
Three rounds for time of:
Run 800 meters
50 Back Extensions
50 Sit-ups

Nancy
5 Rounds for time of:
400m run
15 Overhead Squats (95#)

Run 5k

Run 10k

Run 1,000,000,000k

Truly remarkable jump. We have a 3 ft podium in our theater that myself and a few of my fellow Marines were fooling around with also. That's bad ass.

The same place we had the Colonel guest appear while doing Tabata Squats. Thanks for the awesome vids too.

-Lou

Oh yeah. AND that's right up the block from me in Reno. I just heard about how bad ass that gym is also.

Thanks Pete!
Prob not gonna run 1,000,000,000k today, didnt get an early enough start and I want to go out tonight.
I will do Kelly and a 5k at lunch though.
Here we go dosey doe.
-Russ

#34 MB

Congrats and Happy Birthday! Awesome work! Do you mind passing along what kind of progressions you were doing that allowed you to get that first MU?

Go celebrate!

make up day for me.

"Nate" as rx'd

12 rounds + 2 M/U, PR by 2 rounds exactly

Lipson did Isabel in a little over 60 sec?! great vid - the other vid did not work for me, just showed darkness and sound

Is UoP a Division I or II school? How are they in the BCS ranking? :)

j/k...
Schools like UoP = Wave of the future. They provide working adults with an opportunity to obtain a college degree and employers are accepting them as valid degrees.

#61 PT

The two things that I think helped the most:

1.) I made a point to make all CFWU pullups chest to bar.

2.) I felt the progression that helped most was lowering the rings and starting from my knees. Then as you pull up, you just keep a small amount of leverage on your toes - this way you can slowly decrease the amount of "help" as you get better. This way you can really get the pull through the middle/transition phase (when you change from pullup to dip) which is where I was having the most trouble. Also getting the false grip down is key.

Check this one - http://journal.crossfit.com/2009/02/muscle-up-training-progression.tpl

I got my IT degree from Va Tech. My wife got her from University of Phoenix. She learned everything I did, Got some proctical advice because to tech at UoP you have to work in the field, where most of my professors never worked in it they went from school to teacher. The big hit she did it for about 60% less than I did. University of Phoenix in not some all online deal either. She went to classes in person 2 times a week.

While I applaud the performance of the two athletes made on Isabelle, I think that the effort to perform faster should not be at the expense of form and function. My concern is that folks get locked on the fallacy of getting a PR on every timed WOD because we think if we don't do it faster, then we are not improving. In doing so, we risk serious injury.

After a recent injury, I have decided that I will concentrate my effort on being form efficient on the first and last rep. Adjusting the weight accordingly, I should be able to do that and then increase weight to keep challenging myself while keeping the risk of injury low.

Athletes typically are not good at recovering from injury. First you deny that you are injured (it is just a cramp), then you are angry (stupid weights, stupid WOD), then you bargain (I will ice it, wrap it, then go easy the next WOD), then you are depressed (I can't workout, no endorphin rush, my life sux) and then you accept it (I am injured, I must heal, then I will kick some a*s).

So on the next WOD ask yourself, "What are my limitations?" Then workout accordingly.

Ya'll are ridiculous! Lipson where do you train in NYC? Is there an Exodus Crossfit affiliate in Manhattan?

Glory you did an amazing job, and I really do hope that song was up to par!

With online universities becoming more common, I wonder if there will ever be a college equivalent of a GED.
I would think it would have slightly less value than a real life university degree, but the time saved would be of great benefit to society.

One of the sad things about modern society is that everyone is chasing a degree and incurring large inescapable debts for the privilege of doing so ( $40k + often times ) at the same time, there are more degrees so the value of the degree is going down.

If you can gain the knowledge independently you should be able to move on as quickly as you are able.

This should be something that is funded by the Fed and should be available to everyone.
In the end, we all teach ourselves anyway.

Discuss. ;-)

Dave......Beastly....great job.

#4 Timmy - Taking a step or running doesn't count on a max box jump. You must just from a static start. My max static box jump is 54", if I take a couple of steps I am well over 60".

I AM A PHOENIX.

Having recently earned an MBA through UoP at the low cost of $1200 (Military tuition assistance and GI Bill covered the rest), I don't think that I received a second-rate education at all. Granted, I've never attended Harvard Business School or any of the Executive MBA courses, but I studied hard, wrote incredibly long papers, proved/defended my points using concepts in the courses, met generally accepted academic standards of various aspects of behavior, and so forth, which, best of all, carried over into increasing my performance in my day job. In fact, I think that I spent more time studying material and writing papers than I did in my last bricks-and-mortar class prior to going online to finish my degree.

I'm not saying one is better than the other; both can offer opportunities for people to better themselves. However, I will say that I AM A PHOENIX.

Hi Guys i'm in need of advice, atm i have a 145 squat clean id love to get that to 200 does anyone have any advice on how to increase my strength to get my squat clean higher?

my form is still pretty bad but im working on it, and any advice on how to get my form better?

#66 Dom

Good post. What was your injury that made you come to this conclusion? How did you get it? Are you all the way healed now?

Ended up doing:
1/2mile run
25 air squats
25 pushups
25 situps

4 rounds in 22:47
-Russ

#34 MB

Congrats on the MU! A truly amazing accomplishment. I agree with #61 PT-- can you share the progression movements that were most helpful for getting to the full movement?

This seems like a far-off skill for me, so I need to be working at it now!

Dash #72-

Which part is the problem for you--cleaning the weight up to your shoulders or squatting out of it? A 145lb clean is still relatively low (not a slam on you in any way), so you'll see gains in your numbers by improving your squats, deadlifts, presses, jerks, and everything else. When people start getting up in the 300lb range, that's when they have to specialize a little and do assistance exercises to see improvements.

As for form, watch all the videos you can off the CF Journal, and post videos of yourself to the Digital Coaching thread on the message board. Or find a local coach.

Ran 6x3 minutes hard, 2 minutes rest on treadmill, first 4 at 10.0, last two at 9.0.

3x10x 1-arm db swing, 35-40-50 lbs.

Isabella scaled to 65 lbs., done as 10x3 reps, starting a set every minute. Not quite up to Dave and Glory's level, ha ha ... I might do a light isabella at the end of every 5-day cycle, it's a fun way to close it out and I would like to move the snatch off my goat list.

Re: UoP - it seems the model for college education these days is to get your first couple of years of general education credits at a community college (or online U), then get the more specialized, upper level coursework from a more traditional college, but with professors rather than TA's, in small classes, etc. It is about 75% cheaper to do it that way, same outcome. It is an inevitable consumer and market-driven response to the decline of university and high school education combined with the escalating cost of college.

--FRAT--
In reference to

Comment #66 - Posted by: Sard at October 30, 2009 10:27 AM

That's valid point. A degree is a degree, as long as it is attained at an accredited institution and the person did the work for the degree. It's interesting that any number of people will point out their perceived flaws in the UoP model, but an increasing number of major universities either already have or are developing programs of their own--ones similar to the UoP model.

Nice box jump!! I'm 5'10 on a tall day...

I have a standing 56" Box jump... go to youtube type in 56" triple tire jump...done at CF801.
There is another video attached to it of 45.5" single leg box jumps. Once each leg.

:-)

Congratulations dave and glory -great effort ! - those who want to comment on form should keep in mind Coach G always said there will be a break down under extreme effort - WOD are always about that balance - as one of dave's training partners i know few if any hold that standard better. As good as an athlete as dave is - he's even a better coach - if your in nyc find exodus crossfit

Annie: 4:08 New PR
Everything unbroken!

48" box.

His COM traveled maybe 10"

The jumps are pretty cool to watch but lets not think because you can jump and land on 48 inch base that your vertical jump is 48inches. That has more to do with tucking your legs then having sick vertical.

#73 Kevin C

Injured left knee, left quad doing lunges (actually it was the following day that the hurt set in...there was no instantaneous injury). I think the amount (manly ego) and sloppiness (getting frickin' old) toward the end were my downfall. It has been over a week and my knee is starting to feel normal. I just minimized my weight on my left leg and RICE (rest, ice, compression, elevation). Now my focus is complete warmup (which I typically do) and complete cooldown with some stretching especially on area worked. I just felt that I was close to a really serious injury.

#81 Eric

I agree when you talk about a well conditioned individual with excellent form such as those two athletes. Unfortunately, there are often posts where folks admit their poor form, but they seem more concerned about faster times. I believe that proper form, and of course conditioning, is the key to faster times so when you hit the point of failure, you are less likely to suffer injury trying to get that last rep.

#73 Kevin C

Injured left knee, left quad doing lunges (actually it was the following day that the hurt set in...there was no instantaneous injury). I think the amount (manly ego) and sloppiness (getting old) toward the end were my downfall. It has been over a week and my knee is starting to feel normal. I just minimized my weight on my left leg and RICE (rest, ice, compression, elevation). Now my focus is complete warmup (which I typically do) and complete cooldown with some stretching especially on area worked. I just felt that I was close to a really serious injury.

#81 Eric

I agree when you talk about a well conditioned individual with excellent form such as those two athletes. Unfortunately, there are often posts where folks admit their poor form, but they seem more concerned about faster times. I believe that proper form, and of course conditioning, is the key to faster times so when you hit the point of failure, you are less likely to suffer injury trying to get that last rep.

I hate to disagree with #78 and #66 but a degree is not always a degree.

From the perspective a getting a good education / learning new skills, I think it's safe to say that one can accomplish this goal as easily at U of P as they could at a larger institution and for a significantly reduced price. In the end the quality of education you receive is more a function of the effort you put in than the institution itself.

However there are a number of situations when the school from which you received a degree plays a key factor. I think you have to look at the added benefit derived from you degree in these situations in addition to what you learned in order to measure the full value of the degree.

First, degrees from certain institutions carry a brand recognition that creates value in the eyes of recruiters. I have a family member who works in HR who literally receives hundreds of resumes a day for every job posting. The number of resumes is nearly impossible for them to deal with. As such one of the first filters they apply is to sort / save resumes from candidates with degrees from certain schools. A resume from a person who attended Harvard, Princeton, Yale and even one of the larger public universities in the area is much more likely to end up in the pile of resumes that actually get reviewed than someone from with a degree from the U of P. Taking that even one step further all else equal a candidate with a degree from one a larger school is also much more likely to get an interview. One could argue back and forth on whether or not this should happen my point is merely that it does.

Additionally one has to consider the fact that a degree from a school that focuses on your area of expertise carries more value than an equivalent degree from an institution that does not have the same focus. From my personal experience I chose to go to a large university that was known for its work in my area of study. Thought I knew I could get an equally good “education” at a smaller school for less price, I was willing to go into extra debt to get direct access to some of the leaders in my field. That resulting value of the direct contact with the leaders in my space was immeasurable. Not only did I get to learn from people on the cutting edge of the space but I got to tap directly into their network in the real world which enabled me to get a job during the heights the dot bomb. To further illustrate this point there are actually a number of schools who were recognized as being “better” in my particular field of study. And while I did get a job during the dot bomb because of my degree, there were an equal number of jobs / interviews that I did not get because my degree was not from one of those “better” schools.

Now, I am not saying that similar opportunities don’t exist at U of P. If I was getting a degree in another field it is possible that U of P may have been a better choice. All I am saying is that it would have been nearly impossible from someone with a degree from U of P to break into the professional world in my particular field and that the value of studying somewhere that focuses on your specialty gets lost in the “a degree is a degree” argument.

In the end, I am not advocating that everyone should go to a big school. All I am trying to suggest is that a lot more goes into determining the value of a degree than what is “learned” in the classroom and its quite clear that a degree is not a degree.

In response to B Bowen:
Not going to assume, since you might have the proper information to make your claim, but just in case I would like to point out the concept of the UoP "model" is usually a flawed one. Online education is not a Phoenix invention. Distance education, in many modalities, has been around since the beginning of higher education in this country. And electronic forms at many schools predate Phoenix's efforts in the area.

If you refer to centralized curriculum, a high pressure sales approach, publicly traded stock, and making an education a commodity, well, then UoP was not first in that "model" either.

No major universities are modeling themselves after Phoenix. No major universities are clamoring to be the Wal-Mart of higher education. Do not confuse modality with "model".

And given context, in no way is a degree just a degree.

That video is terroristic.

AWESOME JOB!!!!!

Hey Lilly,
Yes we have recently started our own affiliate in nyc, crossFit Exodus. We haven't been linked to the mainsite yet (our site is under construction) hopefully it's all set by the end of the week. Our url will be www.crossfitexodus.com. It's really exciting. My passion for coaching is just as strong as competing.
Come find us!
-Dave

theNine #87, the beauty of doing it the way I described is, you end up with your sheepskin, prestige and all. You just spend less. I for one went to a traditional liberal arts college, and while I am happy with what I got, a lot of people find that hard to duplicate these days. Most high schools fail miserably in trying to educate their students; most colleges cannot fill that gap, and shuffle the freshmen off to mass general ed classes taught by grad students. Your chances of learning something in that situation are equally good, or maybe even better if you go the CC or online route.

I really like people who go through those schools. The toughest lawyers I go against, and some of my favorite mentors, are people who went to night school somewhere while working, or who started off as JAG officers in the military. They have a certain toughness that more pedigreed attorneys lack.

RE to Comment #91:

The poor tend to fight better ;^)

Had a fun set today, might seem a bit small comparatively, but against the clock it's pretty excellent!

3 times through for time:
100m Bear Crawl
20 Burpees
25 situps

14:15
[I have to get better at Burpees! :)]

Had new people join me, it's a good time! :-D

CF Oakland programming today.
1-1-1-1-1 full sq cleans, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195

Rest 5 min

30-20-10
1.5 pd KB swings and 26" box jumps
6:43 as Rx'd

CF Oakland programming today.
1-1-1-1-1 full sq cleans, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195

Rest 5 min

30-20-10
1.5 pd KB swings and 26" box jumps
6:43 as Rx'd

--FRAT--

In response to:

Comment #87 - Posted by: theNine at October 30, 2009 2:04 PM

and

Comment #88 - Posted by: JY at October 30, 2009 2:08 PM

I hadn't really thought about UoP's business model, and in retrospect, I probably should have accounted for it before making my original post. I appreciate both of your thoughts and viewpoints and I don't disagree with either of you. I think we are debating prestige of a degree versus validity of a degree.

By UoP model, I am referring to their advertised model of an accelerated degree program compatible with the schedules of working adults, taught by subject matter experts in particular fields of study or disciplines. Several Division 1 universities are already doing this. Again, as long as the university is accredited, and the work is being done by the student, a degree is a degree, for all intents and purposes.

I feared my post might be interpreted as an "all institutions provide the same degrees, so what's the big deal" type of statement, but that was not my intent. I realize there is tremendous competition in the job market, especially these days. I also realize people attend certain universities for the quality of education as well as being able to say they went to a certain university, assuming they can meet the entrance requirements.

I am a human resources professional, and I understand the various methods used to shorten the lists of job applicants. I am also an adjunct professor at a private university in the OKC area. I teach Human Resource Administration and Organizational Behavior in some of the degree programs offered there.

The degrees in and of themselves are mainly in business and network management. The courses tend to be very specific in nature to the chosen degree program and are taught by people with significant experience in those fields. Students are given relevant, applicable instruction from someone who has lived it, not just studied it.

Not all programs at these places are the same. Many of them are simply "pay your fee, get your 'B'" types of "schools" and not much better than sending off for a diploma on the internet. Other programs are quite rigorous. The programs are planned out, and students take courses with an endpoint of becoming better leaders, managers, etc. These people are going into the programs with specific goals for their current situations in life. The curriculum reflects just that, and it's up to the student to do the research beforehand to know what type of school it is.

The students themselves tend to be people who have already been in the field for a number of years with significant knowledge and experience. Often, they have been told by their supervision that in order to become supervisors and managers, they must have bachelors degrees. If you have no experience, then absolutely yes where you went to school carries great weight when you first enter the job market. If you have a great deal of experience, then it's a little different. For our students, where they earned the degree is less important than the fact they earned it. And they know this. Just for the record, I think we have darn good programs, but I am biased.

Our students are people looking to complete their educations to improve their lots in life with specific goals in mind. They have experience and they know what they want next. UoP and other accelerated/online programs are aimed at those people. Those degrees, while not as prestigious as undergraduate degrees from an Ivy League school or big name school, are no less valid from an employment perspective. That's all I was trying to say.

If anyone who finished reading this wishes to continue the discussion, feel free to e-mail me or call me at 405-615-8319. This community is just the best. Seriously.

AMRAP in 20
100 M run
10 Hang Power Snatch, 75#
10 Push ups

14 Rounds + Run + 8 HPS

Guys, this is CROSSFIT!! Not the Olympics. We adhere to CrossFit standards not Olympic standards. We pull the bar from the ground to overhead as fast as we can for the rx'd repetitions. I understand the concerns regarding form and safety, but I'm not sure if those commenting on these concerns understand CrossFit. There are many levels of Crossfitters and, clearly, Dave and Glory are BRILLIANT :) and right up there with the best. They did what was asked (per CrossFit) in ridiculous times. I've seen Glory compete several times, including the Games this year where she competed both the individual AND team event...she is AWESOME....and all of those 30 reps at 95lbs were within the guidelines and GOOD! Dave, I was there. I saw it, in the flesh, along with Rob, Carlos, Syn, Skittles, and the others. You are my best friend and you ROCK! Oh, and I have a constructive criticism for you....DON'T PUT THE BAR DOWN ON THE 27th REP NEXT TIME (Chris) ;)

My wife earned her Bachelor's at a "brick & mortar" university and is now 10 months away from her Grad degree in Education via Univ of Phoenix. She has worked her a** off and feels she has truly learned something unlike with her Bachelor. They have even arranged for her student teaching and its all fully accredited. The traditional universities have had a monopoly stranglehold for far too long and have become loose and sloppy. Their attacks on schools like UofP, American Military University, etc., are a result of fear and snobbery.

what up. f/23/145/5'6"

14:27
3 rounds
25,50,75 squats
25,25,25 push ups
9,15,21 pull ups
25,50, 75 situps.

yesterday was so not a rest day:

modified crossfit football
5 rounds
30 35lb overhead lunges
sprint 200
15 1.5 pood kettleball

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38:32 Rx'd

5'3", 131 lbs, 33 yrs old, male

One heck of a workout! Been Crossfitting since June 1st of this year and cannot believe the results! I LOVE THIS STUFF!

Nice jump and picture. I've done a 61" box jump w/ a step or two. Got it of video.

This is my first time posting here. I have been doing Crossfit off and on for 2 years. I love it. As for online education,I have done both. Undergrad at both brick and mortar and Online. I completed my MBA online and I am working on a PhD at a brick and mortar. Somebody earlier stated brick and mortar has no standards. I would agree. Each professor teaches what they feel and I can take 1 class from 2 instructors and get completely different outcomes. Online was the hardest degree I have done due to the amount of work in such a short time. Anybody who thinks UoP is a joke I challenge them to take one class. Everybody I know who has taken a class has talked about the weekly research papers with complete sources as well as the lengthly discussion posts required. Very demanding work. And I have also taught at brick and mortar. They are for profit, the difference is who is getting the profit. Share holders or Administration!!!!!

"crawl"
1 minute each exercise x 6 rounds w/1 minute rest between rounds. didn;t have a counter for points.

Situps on Abmat
Plank Hold
Hip Extensions
Cross Knee Crunches
GHD Situps

LOVE THIS ONE!

we did max height box jumps today. im 5'10 200 pounds and jumped 50". pretty happy with that one

Wow, the internet is an incredible thing. For-profit schools, excellent.

Boo--the SEC for incriminating enterprising institutions that provide so much educational value, at prices that more people are willing to purchase. I guess they think, "Of course this freedom thing is cool, but let's not get too carried away" . . .

Ernest 39/M/61"/165