Finally! CrossFit Football is here!!!

been waiting for months, well worth it!

I'm all about CF Football! I just found a rec league in my area :)

And good luck to all the Europe and Australasia Crossfit Regional athletes this weekend April 4th and 5th!

How appropriate...my poor Chiefs could use something...ANYthing to get better.. :)

That was interesting, the CF football link was there when i checked at 10:30 (cincinnati time) but didn't go anywhere till just now

the wods in crossfit footbal will be excellent to use for CFSB for the heavy metcons.

Haven't had to scale WODs for a while. Guess I'm back at the beginning! Lovin me some CFFB.

Great time for a rest day as I'm traveling to Michigan for a collegiate football officiating conference. For those of you interested in officiating football, it's a great way to stay involved in the game. Officials are in great demand all over the country!

I'm down for $200 as soon as I get my cert this weekend.

Thank you to everyone involved for putting together the RRG. Excellent idea.

happy rest day people

CF Football sound awesome and CF RRG is also a great thing! I am excited about both.

Is the crossfit football link working for anyone?

Herm, Rookie, Eric, Bingo, JPW, Playoff Beard, Jakers what do you guys know about "Diane" best times i think i saw 1:50 or 1:49 but i'm not sure can you give me numbers? I'm curius about that dudes....please guys

Big side hugs and bad english for all

#11

the link did work for me. But now it is not. The address is incorrect. I googled it, go to www.crossfitfootball.com It's the same website the link led me to before it quit working.

Back from my second Nicole this year -
got 6 rounds and 60 pull-ups with a smaller band :) yea....PR!!!!

On a side note, i know a few of us female CFrs have really gotten a lot out of the "Zone Gone Bad" article in CFJ. If you have ever had an eating disorder or ED tendancies i would *highly* recommend reading it. Happy rest day everyone!

YES CROSSFIT FOOTBALL! SO STOKED!

Hmmm. CFFB follows a 2/1 work to rest schedule. I like it.
Unfortunately for me it's the metcon WODs that kill me so I'm sticking to the main board. But I would like me some 2/1 action.

Definitely down for the CF-RRG. Will probably donate my $200...even though i'm a poor poor soul lol. Seems like a truly worthwhile investment though.

s'more- best times i know of are between the 3:00-3:59 mark, exactly where you are. Not sure on precise numbers however. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you!

So is the RRG a Mutual Insurance Company? But is the initial capitalization strictly buying shares, not premiums? I looked at the site and that was the impression I got. Also, if you're a trainer at an affiliate but not the owner, do you need to purchase coverage yourself?

However, if it's not a Mutual Insurance Company, then what's the difference?

Thanks Eric...i'm sure that hace to be a 2 minutes something the best time Diane is easier than Fran maeby is not so popular than fran or elizabeth

@Brad A - I feel your pain. The Chiefs need all the help we can get!! I think CrossFit could be our golden ticket....I hope so! :-)

Pat is the man. Actually I should say Pat Sherwood is the small bear. Smallest bear currently living. Its true. Look it up.

The CrossFit RRG is a huge and positive step toward making CrossFit and the Affiliate Community safe from frivolous lawsuits. It is a great thing. Thanks HQ for having the forsight to make this happen.

Skip
Front Range CrossFit Inc.

WE NEEDED TO SEE THAT VIDEO.....WHY???

8 oz. Zone burger? Just my style!

# 12 s'more:

There's a sweet video by Pat Barber busting out a smokin' Diane in the 1-2 range. I forget the exact time but you can't get much faster than him. I'm sure it's under "girl named WOD's" under demo videos.

s'more, Logsitall.com shows 8 men with Diane times 3:00 or faster, and 10 more under 3:30.. Fastest is Chris Woods at CrossFit BWI in 2:03... hope that helps!

Damn and I was hoping for some sweet crossfit style April Fools joke for today.

Guess I'll settle for a rest day.

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if there are any NFL players (or any other professional athletes) that publicly acknowledge that use CrossFit as part of their physical training? Thanks.

Thanks Cinthya and skeletor i knew i saw somewhere with a 1 something and 2 minutes that is the range of time...i'll hit it fresh soon i think a 2:40 is in my posibilities

Big hugs for all you guys the whole crossfit family is the best comunity ever

I just read the journal article about the RRG. There is one main thing that I find puzzling and hopefully someone could clarify. I might have this all wrong (or maybe it's different in the USA, I don't know), but my understanding is that in order to be sued you have be found negligent. In order to be found negligent, four things must occur.

First, there is a relationship with an established duty of care. Defined as reasonable foreseeability that your acts or omissions will impact this person - the proximity to this person can be physical, circumstantial or causal. (The classic example is doctor - patient, but in this case it would be the duty a trainer owes to his/her trainee to be safe, efficient and effective.)

Second, there is a breach of that duty.

Third, damage has occured. (Eg someone gets hurt)

Fourth, the damage was a direct result of the breach of the duty.

Now consider these quotes from the article.

From the opening paragraph:
"Because if they hurt themselves and sue you, the result will bankrupt you. You will lose everything and your life’s work will be destroyed. Because no standard insurance company
will provide the coverage and defense a CrossFit affiliate needs."

And then later on:
"Most liability insurance is geared towards physical accidents and your premises, not the claims of rhabdo and injury deemed to be caused by trainer decisions that could arise in our community. The CrossFit RRG will write its own policies, effectively eliminating these dangerous
omissions and allowing CrossFit to appropriately insure and defend affiliates, trainers, and HQ against these specific, unique situations."

Doesn't it have to be someone's fault before you get sued?! If the trainer never shows someone how to properly/safely drop a load from overhead (presumably with light weights) then asks them to do 1-RM push jerks, and the weight falls on their head, that might be negligent. But you'd be an idiot to tell someone to go into 1RM anything if they don't know what they are doing. If they just go on there own into 1RM PJ and drop the bar on their face, you shouldn't be negligent because you didn't do anything.

I guess, my issue is with the wording, such as "dangerous omissions", that being said, I don't know what insurance companies are covering at all for any gym. It just seems like if CrossFit is as safe as they say it is, you wouldn't need something like this. And I'm paraphrasing here, but coach has said, in some videos, something to the effect of, "it's more risky [to your health] to not do the moves at all than to do them with flaws in technique". It's supposed to be safe for the soldiers protecting me to my grandma.

That being said, I work out on my own, and do not have a heap of money invested in an affiliate..... so that might change my outlook

I think I'll do a workout w/ the TRX suspension trainer. Anyone else used that? - I'm actually very pleased w/ it....its genius is its simplicity in my opinion.

Crossfit football is the coolest thing ever.

did FGB today to catch up,
holy sh*t! it was my first time and it was awesome!

cant wait to do it again n improve, so much fun going to exhaustion with workouts i can actually do.

Matt in Oz, #29

You are close to being right. You have to be found negligent under US law in order to be held liable for damage. That is what the jury does at a trial. It is not a determination that is made in advance before you can file suit. In fact it would be impossible to make that determination in advance. The whole purpose of a lawsuit and trial is to determine negligence, causation, and damages. Therefore, all it takes to start and carry on the lawsuit is an allegation of negligence, causation, and damage. Insurance would pay the cost of defending against the allegations, and would also pay the verdict if the case goes against you.

CrossFit RRG is a great idea whose time has come. Most insurance companies out there will cover basic gym and trainer requirements, but will exclude rhabdo, or CrossFit by name, because they don't understand the program. Additionally, media hype over the one rhabdo case in Northern Virginia, the NYT article from a few years back, disgruntled CrossFitters and former affiliates, and conflict with NSCA and other organizations who push their agendas to the detriment of CrossFit will all make CrossFit look "dangerous" whenever possible. These, in turn, will result in plaintiffs popping out of the woodwork fueled by attorneys who look for a good, quick buck, hoping that they can find a client injured at a CrossFit affiliate. Check out all the advertisemens for attorneys who seek car accident victims, mesothelioma, and the like, knowing that there are clients just like them who want to go after an easy target.

By self-insuring for things like rhabdo, we can virtually innoculate CrossFit from these bloodsucking shysters.

The cost of not becoming a part of the RRG far outweighs the cost of defending against rhabdo and other claims - even if you end up successful in the end.

Steve Rakow
CrossFit Ocean City

My warmup...

WOD:
No GHB situps for me :-)

5 rounds for time:
30 exercise ball situps
25 back extensions

11:08

Comment #29 "Doesn't it have to be someone's fault before you get sued?"

You can be at fault for not making the premises safe or failing to warn of a risk. Look up "premises liability" and read up on the duty of care owed to customers, guests and trespassers.

For example, if someone is on your property and doing pull ups and the pull up bar breaks and they get hurt, you can be sued and your standard business insurance will cover it. If someone slips on chalk and cracks their head, you are probably covered.

In contrast, if you instruct someone to do kipping pull ups and they wind up injuring their shoulder from doing Murph with a weight vest and you get sued, the standard insurance might not cover it.

I was hoping for a crazy April Fool's WOD to be posted, like run 50K or do 1000 burpees, just to see how many people would try it.

Crossfit Paducah will be attacking the "Burpee Mile" at 11:00 am central time. hopefully will have some video to share soon.

April fool's day. 2 articles posted - CrossFit insurance and CrossFit Football. Could have picked a different day to post both...

www.CrossFitOrange.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CZ8quKf8IA

Can we all please get on and acknowledge this effort! Amazing pull ups, but getting shot down by some knobs who don't know anything!

(its a video of a most chin ups done in 1 minute)

I'm hoping that CrossFit Football is an April Fools joke. Hey, let's all train sport-specific after 8 years of teaching against it!! HA

James -

Think of CF Football in the same manner you would CF Endurance or any of the specialty certs/areas. No different. John Welbourne developed the program in conjunction with Coach and several other top CF coaches. I'm still figuring it out, but it looks like a great way to get football teams to utilize the CF method while still training for their sport rather than having players just train CF in the offseason and dump it for the truly sport specific stuff they usually do during the season. Check it out and see what it's all about before slamming it. As an affiliate, you may find this beneficial to your program rather than an "April Fools joke."

as rxd

24 hours

congrats to john on crossfit football. looks like a great site.

heath

great effort on those pull ups. not sure its a world record but very good.

I'm a little scared of the "Nutrition" section of CFFB. Downing whole milk and using whey protein supplements? I know that people training at that intensity need more than average people, but I'm not convinced that dairy and supplements are the way to go for most people. After all, milk is not really the best thing for your GI tract and supplementation is just putting large amounts of refined chemicals into your system.

It seems like the mentality of the CF community is natural, healthy food.

I do understand that a lot of people think that milk is healthy, but really, what other animal species drinks the milk of another animal species?? Just my thoughts....

I support the RRG 100%. We are the only entity with the power to protect ourselves.

anyone else's lower back as sore as mine from yesterday???

s'more, all,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YARXjYqC8mU

was the fastest Diane I can remember seeing, is this what you were thinking of? Frightening...

oh happy days!

Racquetball tonight sweet sweet..

Concur with Steve and Skip, support the RRG 100%.

If you look at the economic incentive here, if we ran an insurance company that's sole purpose was to protect insured members of that group then it's in that insurance company's economic interest to protect the reputation of those Affiliates and Trainers as any decision (see Mimms) would damage that reputation and hence hurt us in a jury trial.

We're going to sign up.

I like the workouts on CrossFit Football.

I have to stop regular CrossFit from time to time because I lose speed and power from doing it regularly but I gain muscular endurance.

After I get my speed and power back to where I'm comfortable I start back on CrossFit. I prefer speed and power so I'll try this. The workouts look great.

I luv the CF Football. Like the mix of strength and metcon days. Was doing something similar but I love the structure, much like CF Endurance.

Regarding the CF RRG you need to realize that you don't need to lose a lawsuit for it to put you out of business. If your income is going into legal defense rather than rent and food, it doesn't matter how right you are.

When designing workouts, will Crossfit Football assume the athletes are on steroids -- like the guy in the photo?

I love my Chiefies.

Paul O'Donnell

nice cheap shot. must feel good to be so clever AND self righteous.

John Welbourn has never really answered the steroid charges on this forum. As a rule I feel that performance enhancing drug use is private issue, but when it is involving an offshoot of cross fit and a competitor in the CF games…? I like the additional certs/programs but now we have running, jump rope, football, rowing. Why not cross fit Golf? Hockey? What about cross fit bodybuilding?

not feeling the 9:25 GHD extravaganza yet...

A woman asked me to train her. I'm seriously considering it.

Re: Comment #37

Matthew, you mean you've never done the 1000 burpee WOD? (haha)

CrossFit Football looks absolutely amazing. I think I will wanting to attend that Cert. ASAP. I will be looking over and digesting all the info on the website for the rest of the day.

CF-RRG: I'll support it, but am looking forward to more detailed information regarding the specifics of plan. I also know the community will post tons of questions and receive quality answers from the amazing people who are behind the CF-RRG.

The cynic in me feels both posted topics are April Fools Jokes...
Happy Rest Day everyone!
As Rx'd 24 hours. Kept the nitensity low... Still recovering you know! :)

Wow, both the football and the insurance hit me right at home. I am an ex-NFL player and a current insurance agent. Weird?!

The RRG isn't a bad idea, but I don't think it should take the place of a basic GL (General Liability) and premises commercial insurance product. Maybe supplement, but not totally replace. Certain products within commercial insurance, like loss of income (for covered losses, like fires or tornadoes), extra expense (for keeping your business going when there's a loss), and basic liability, whether it be $500K-$1M per occurrence or higher, shouldn't be totally abandoned. It just worries me that the "pot of money" created by this RRG will be insufficient to cover the global organization that is Crossfit.

I guess key to this RRG is the buying of Re-insurance. Taking the some of the pot of money and buying more insurance.

On the football note, Crossfit football looks pretty solid. It, and no offense, looks easier than the workouts when I used to train for football. I can remember doing the 16 40yd sprints before or after doing an hour in the weightroom. But it, overall, is more football specific than the main page wods.

And a few years ago, I would have told you that there was no workout out there that was 17 minutes long that would be a "good" workout. I have since discovered FGB, and I am a now a fire-breathing Kool-Aid drinker.

"I do understand that a lot of people think that milk is healthy, but really, what other animal species drinks the milk of another animal species?? Just my thoughts...."

Comment #45 - Posted by: bryan at April 1, 2009 5:19 AM

Bryan,
Humans have been drinking milk, mostly goats milk, as far back as recorded history goes (ie, Bible). Other than that available history, I can't go into, 'cause I don't know.

Unless your wife/girlfriend/surrogate is willing to allow you to have hers, (and yes I have a wife & 4 kids so I've tried, but she just got mad at me :<)) goats & cows milk works fine. Some people may have issues, but most don't.

my thoughts.
Dave

Good Morning!

Wow - crossfit football! Where do you guys play? I wrestled in grade 6 and I so desire to play football, or see a game, for that matter!

Burgers for breakfast are amazing!! My favorite is a buffalo burger topped with heirloom tomato, tarragon (peasants put it in their shoes for energy on the way to the Holy land!), a little bit of cheese (for flavor, not calcium), red onion...all wrapped up in boston lettuce!!!! It keeps you full for hours, and the energy it provides is amazing!! And grill season is approaching....you can even do fried eggs on the barbie!!

S'more, Allision, Cookie, Herm, Aileen....how are you all doing?? Love to all...lots and lots of love!!

So, I have a request: I am coming to NYC on April 17th to take a seminar and am looking for a place to stay, and the nearest affiliate - I so desire to meet you all! The seminar is at the Concierge Conference Center (780 Third Avenue at 48th Street, 10017) and I will be there from 10-5 daily. Is anyone able to assist this trip? Please email or ring me (647.237.1003)....even just to say hello!

Also, if any of you are close by and just desire to meet, do let me know - I have so many hugs and kisses waiting!!

Thank you everyone - if you are in Toronto, please stay with me (I live close to an affiliate in the downtown area).

See you later today!

Listen to the CrossFit Radio interview with John W. You'll understand why CrossFit can be used as sport specific and why CrossFit isn't. CrossFit is a GPP that is suppose to prepare you for anything that is thrown at you in life. Where in football, we know the domains and modalities, therefore we can take the CrossFit method and apply it specifically to the sport. Makes perfect sense and is a terrific idea.

#54
One if it was programmed for athletes that were on Vitamin S you wouldn't need to program rest days.

Two you are an a$$.

And my $.02 about steroids in football.

There are only a handful of guys, and I literally mean two hands, 10, less than 1% of NFL players are on steroids. First off, @ least 10% of the players on each team get tested every week.

And its random. There would be months go by that I wouldn't get tested, and then I'd get tested two weeks in a row. It would have been hard to plan my cycle, needless to say.

Two more things. One, the risk reward is not great. Test positive once? Lose 25% of your salary and suspended 4 games. Twice, lose 100% and suspended for a year. Three times, you can never play football again. Lifetime ban. The other thing is that colleges (NCAA) test on a random basis. So these NFLers, who were once governed by the NCAA, were clean in college and were good/great without steroids.

And just because someone tests positive doesn't mean they actually used a syringe. GNC sells multiple things from their shelves that will show up positive because of trace elements of a banned substance. It is the player's fault because we do have a 1-800 number to call if/when we start taking a new supplement, but its easier to test positive than you might think. But I passionately belive less than 1% of current NFL players use steroids.

Steve - #42

“Think of CF Football in the same manner you would CF Endurance or any of the specialty certs/areas. No different.”

It clearly IS different than any of the other specialty certs offered by Crossfit. Those other areas may offer a bias toward one’s training (strength, endurance) or may offer an emphasis on specific areas or movements or tools (KBs, rowing, barbell, nutrition) that are considered part of the CF arsenal. In all cases so far, those certs would have broad appeal across the CF community, regardless of any sport emphasis individuals might have. But this is the first time that a cert is aimed at a specific competitive sport. For an organization that has long touted GPP as its goal, and whose followers train to be ready for whatever life might throw at them, this is clearly a departure. Comments about Crossfit Golf or Crossfit Tennis may be facetious, but they really aren’t far off the mark.

From the CF Football FAQ, “How does CrossFit Football differ from CrossFit.com"

"For football, we know the demands; football is a game of inches and seconds. We know that timeframe and scale, and we know when, where, and how game day is played. Knowing this, we can precisely prepare for the demands of the sport.”

Ryan - #64 – I agree. I’m not saying this is a bad idea. I’ve always felt that CF can be integrated easily into sport-specific training, and I think this is a key step for Crossfit to be taking. I would expect to see more of this in the future.

On a different note, the About section includes : “it has not been designed by someone that thinks it might work, but by athletes and coaches that have dominated at the highest levels of competitive athletics.”

“Dominated” is a strong word. Sooner or later they need to name those athletes and coaches. Otherwise a claim like that sounds like junk marketing.

The current design of the Crossfit Football program strikes me as misguided. Surely, there cannot be a single workout routine for all players. The game demands different things of running backs than wide receivers than linemen. The training and nutrition supporting those endeavors must be different as well. Perhaps less so at the amateur level, but certainly at the collegiate and professional levels.

Comment #68 (Paul O'Donnell)

Paul, you're right that each position in football requires specific training, but it seems to be that CF Football is not about teaching each player how to be most effective at his position, but instead preparing each player to be in the the best possible physical condition. This will prepare them to learn and adapt to their specific requirements at their specific positions.

Also, just like CrossFit has grown and made "tweaks" and adjustments to its program over the years, I expect CrossFit Football will experience a similar evolution. It is holding its first Cert. in May, which is only open to HQ staff. The program will not be perfect right out of the box, but it looks like a great starting point.

Lastly, don't pass judgment on it before we've seen any results from people who apply it to their daily lives. Most of us would have probably thought, or at first maybe did think, that CrossFit was an insane idea. However, the results we have achieved have proven that CrossFit works. I think we will see the same with CrossFit Football.

# 48 daveross64

Yeah that Brett Marshall one is pretty epic. The video I was thinking of with Pat Barber shows him finishing in 3:01. Both are stellar performances. I gotta long way to go..........

Lewis Dunn - What athletes? What about me? This is the training I did to play/start for 9 plus years in the NFL. The reason CrossFit worked for me was because it was very close to the training I had done since college. What coaches? What about Greg Glassman, Kelly Starrett, ex football player, coached his athlete to a gold medal, Mark Rippetoe, Max Mormont, Andy Stumpf. What about other football players that are involved? Keep an eye out...this is out first day. You will see content added and watch it grow. In a year you can make the decision on whether this is junk marketing. Actually show up to a CFFB certification...you we can see who is junk. Thanks.

On a different note, the About section includes : “it has not been designed by someone that thinks it might work, but by athletes and coaches that have dominated at the highest levels of competitive athletics.”

“Dominated” is a strong word. Sooner or later they need to name those athletes and coaches. Otherwise a claim like that sounds like junk marketing.

Comment #69 (Edward)

I was not pointing out that different positions require different skills, but that different positions require different athletic abilities. For example, linemen need to be bigger and stronger than wide receivers, and not nearly as fast. Thus, optimal strength, conditioning, and nutritional plans will be quite different for those players.

Paul - That is very well put. I could not have articulated it better. CF Football is a not a football clinic it is about football training . Using a set of movements to a get any and all players the strongest, fastest, well conditioned and in the best shape possible to go out and do their jobs.
I am sure the program will be tweaked and evolve. But we have tried the programs, done the WODs, done the diet and have seen the benefits. We wanted to share it with the community. Thanks for the support.

Comment #68 (Paul O'Donnell)

Paul, you're right that each position in football requires specific training, but it seems to be that CF Football is not about teaching each player how to be most effective at his position, but instead preparing each player to be in the the best possible physical condition. This will prepare them to learn and adapt to their specific requirements at their specific positions.

Also, just like CrossFit has grown and made "tweaks" and adjustments to its program over the years, I expect CrossFit Football will experience a similar evolution. It is holding its first Cert. in May, which is only open to HQ staff. The program will not be perfect right out of the box, but it looks like a great starting point.

Lastly, don't pass judgment on it before we've seen any results from people who apply it to their daily lives. Most of us would have probably thought, or at first maybe did think, that CrossFit was an insane idea. However, the results we have achieved have proven that CrossFit works. I think we will see the same with CrossFit Football.
Comment #69 - Posted by: Edward at April 1, 2009 8:26 AM

God or our parents decide how big we are. The training just maximizes potential. It might be pretty hard to become an lineman if you are 150 lbs...no matter what training and diet you follow. There was no way I was going to be a receiver regardless of how i trained or dieted. What i do know is genetics and lineage decide a players position and potential.
If you walked in a college weight room you would see all the athletes doing the same training. Unless the guy was a 7" or a the girl was 5" you might not know what sport they played.
So a receiver would not benefit from doing squats and deadlifts? And a lineman would not benefit from pull ups? I ran plenty of 100's in my career and ran them with receivers.

Comment #69 (Edward)

I was not pointing out that different positions require different skills, but that different positions require different athletic abilities. For example, linemen need to be bigger and stronger than wide receivers, and not nearly as fast. Thus, optimal strength, conditioning, and nutritional plans will be quite different for those players.
Comment #72 - Posted by: Paul O'Donnell at April 1, 2009 8:34 AM

48/6'/M/199/week 21 CF

Due to martial arts class got out of synch and 2 days behind so played catch up today on the basic movements of the last 2 WOD's.

5 rounds of pullups (total 10), GHD situps (total 50), back exts (total 58) in 12:03.

Then ran 2 miles in 14:32.

squats 3x5

62.5kg/67.5kg/72.5kg

Followed by

4 rounds of:
20kg power clean x3
40kg clean x5

9 mins

John Welbourn,

If wide receivers don't need different strength, conditioning, and nutrition plans than linemen, then why do football players need different strength, conditioning, and nutrition plans than everyone else who does regular Crossfit? In other words, if specializing by position doesn't make sense, then why does specializing by sport?

20 min- 18 rounds
5pushups 10 situps 15 squats

What else can you do on rings?.....

(don't try this at home!) lol!

http://vimeo.com/3957830

~J~

summary

bar dips

24:14

CF Football looks great, the CF Radio interview with Welbourn was really good.

PS - Crossfit Ping Pong? Anyone? Bueller?

Final day of catch up

5 rounds for time (sub'd ghd for decline sit ups)
decline sit up 30r
back extension 25r

time: 7:58 pr by 39 sec!

m/29/5'11/168

DL
135kg*5

10 min AMRAP
2 muscle-ups
5 OHS 135#
7 wallballs 20#

5+2 muscle ups

#79

I was going to score that round 10-9 but since Jrock came off the rings early I must score the round 10-8 for Jeannie.

HI Jennifer great to see your post it's been a while i'm extremely happy very tired because the poor sleep hours bit happy for carry feed clean and proyect my babygirl she is the best thing that could ever happend to me...i'm trying to hit the wods hard as i can....

Love ya Jennifer keep posting reemember always your crossfit family

and don't try this at home either! lol!

http://vimeo.com/3958114

~J~

John - #71

"Actually show up to a CFFB certification...you we can see who is junk."

Now don't go all ad hominem on me! Just suggesting that actual names back up the claims. Thanks for providing a few. I'll look forward to the added content as the site grows.

made up the GHD sit up/back extension WOD today.

As prescribed: 9:20..was hoping for sub 9 but my hamstrings blew up round 5 of sit ups.

Thank you for the insurance information. :)

John,

Congrats and best of luck to you with the development of CrossFit Football.

Coach,

Thanks for the opportunity to participate in the RRG. We signed up early this morning and are looking forward to well thought out insurance that will help protect this community based on our specific characteristics. This is the vehicle to do just that.

I almost crapped my pants when I saw my local affiliates WOD. Thought you guys might enjoy...

http://crossfit-springfield.com/

Hope this will answer some questions on the RRG. This is from my comments in the journal section and the Affiliate section.

***********************
ALERT-ALERT-ALERT

The RRG does NOT cover overseas or non-US affiliates yet. It may in the future, but it won't to start. Very sorry, but it has to do with insurance regulations outside the US.

END of ALERT

Now to answer some more questions, in no particular order.

1 - There will be some risk mitigation requirements for people who buy into the RRG as part of the underwriting guidelines. We will provide those to you but they're not onerous. I remember rhabdo awareness as one, but not some of the others off the top of my head. Actually, looking at your questions, waivers signed by clients were part of the guidelines (we've already written those), as well as providing proof of amount of business (in order to determine premiums), IIRC.

2 - For clarity - An affiliate owner's policy will cover trainers who are (a) working at the box and (b) are in the scope of their duties. Thus, an affiliate owner does not Need to capitalize in each trainer...HOWEVER... if an individual trainer would like to buy ownership in the company for the future to be able to get a policy separate from their affiliate owner's, then that is great and would cover them outsider of their owner's box.

3 - The $1000/200 buy-in will get you an ownership stake in the RRG. You will receive shares of stock. That will make you eligible to get a policy and premiums will therefore be separate. Premium rates will be based upon busines, size, etc. They will be very comparable to what exists in the industry. Eventually we hope to bring those down IF we pay few claims and are sufficiently capitalized. We're not going to be AIG. But that will depend upon what you, the affils and trainers who sit on some of the Committees, decide.

4 - WHAT WILL THE POLICY COVER? Once the RRG is capitalized and approved in various states, it will start writing policies. Now, here's the technical stuff boiled down. The RRG itself will write policies that will cover what we call Errors and Omissions. Let me drop a definition here - think of this piece like malpractice insurance for lawyers or doctors. Sometimes you may recommend a course of action to a client in your professional discretion as a trainer. It may be perfectly valid and one that we all would recommend. The peron may still get hurt (rhabdo, round their back on a DL and hurt a disc, etc.). The RRG wil cover that and defend that, if necessary. This is the piece that is currently missing from most policies and most of you probably aren't even aware of its absence/exclusion from your policy. Wrapped around that policy will be what you can think of as a standard, commercial liability policy for slip and fall, property, someone drops a kettlebell on their own head or foot and on and on. They fit together - snugly - because WE helped write the policies that way by working with the insurance provider we have who helped us set this all up.

5 - In conjunction with 4, the complementary policy will have its own premium, but we've set up a mechanism that it can be billed "singly" and you'll get one envelope, so to speak, with the two policies enclosed.

6 - Nexo Insurance is currently able to write the "wraparound"/complementary policy to the one (the E&O) that the RRG will write when it's stood up. Thus, you could get that policy today if you're a trainer or affiliate. Solo trainers may also buy in.

7 - WHAT IF I WANT TO WAIT OUT UNTIL THIS IS UP AND RUNNING - WILL LATER CAPITAL BUY-IN BE HIGHER?
If you want to sit out on the sidelines, there are currently no plans to require higher capitalization later, HOWEVER, once the RRG is up and running, that decision will be up to the member-owners and the committees as to capital needs and what buy-in will require. Could it go up? Yes or No.

8 - Why buy in? What are the benefits to me?
Beyond what's already been written in Russ Berger's article, here's a quick few thoughts. The benefit's - (a) ownership in the RRG in the form of shares of stock, (b) a policy that covers something you almost certainly don't have coverage for right now, (c) control over the defense of those kinds of claims as an owner in the RRG, (d) control over future premiums in the event of low claims payouts, reasonable return on capital investment, etc., (e) certainty of coverage, (f) additional complementary policy that we helped write to fit with the more general liability policy (slip and fall, etc.), (g) opportunity to craft RRG's direction through various committees to meet any changes or challenges that come along or that may be specific to you or our cohort.

It's your wallet and your decision. It's also you standing on the outside looking in if somebody gets rhabdo at your box or has some other claim against you for E&O and then you find out your carrier decides that their interpretation of the policy language is that that particular occurrence is not a "covered occurrence". Or, perhaps worse yet for the community, your insurance company covers the claim and it's a completely frivolous one and you know it - but they pay it out anyway despite your objection - because THEY make that decision, not you. Now your professional reputation is as the guy who did X to a client, when you know it's a crock. That's probably the most likely scenario - and worst of all for us as a community.

I hope that answers your questions. I look forward, as the Secretary of the RRG, to working with all of you. Yes, I was volunteered for the job by everyone else at the meeting. This is what happens when you're looking out the window and not paying attention. ;-) (kidding).
**************************

Folks, I have to get on a plane now for CF HQ and hope you'll all look into this and give it some thought. If you want to buy the complementary policy today with an eye toward the RRG policy for E&O/rhabdo later, contact Gary Rimler or Art Baldwin at Nexo Insurance. Their site is www.nexoins.com and go to the contact page for email addies. They're great guys and helped us craft this whole thing.

Dale

finally putting some weight into it!

Ok I was really sore this morning from all the GHD situps yesterday (ok still sore), but now I'm ready to see tomorrow's WOD! Here's to hoping for an early post. These late bed times on the East Coast are killing me.

Just completed the BURPEE MILE....

worst thing I have ever tried!!

1 hour 33 minutes 47 seconds, hopefully will have a video to come soon.

Dale - #91

I have a thought about how this RRG project could all be made more affordable, and even profitable, for the affiliates. There is a form of Collateralized Debt Obligation called a CIO (Collateralized Insurance Obligation). Hundreds of policies could be bundled together, run past Moody’s to get a rating assigned, and then marketed to banks and other investors who would….

Oh, never mind.

M/36/67/246

Warm-up/WOD
1. 10 RFT. 10 squats,10 push-ups. 5:17. Knees never touched the ground. Will try this as 100 squats and then 100 push-ups next time.

2. Assisted pull-up and dip pyramid (10,8,6,4,2). 5:46.

CFE: 30 min bike ride at 15+ RPE.

On CF Football - I take issue with both Lewis's criticisms and Paul's.

"It (CF Football) clearly IS different than any of the other specialty certs offered by Crossfit. Those other areas may offer a bias toward one’s training (strength, endurance) or may offer an emphasis on specific areas or movements or tools (KBs, rowing, barbell, nutrition) that are considered part of the CF arsenal. In all cases so far, those certs would have broad appeal across the CF community, regardless of any sport emphasis individuals might have. But this is the first time that a cert is aimed at a specific competitive sport. For an organization that has long touted GPP as its goal, and whose followers train to be ready for whatever life might throw at them, this is clearly a departure."
Lewis Dunn #67.

Paul O'Donnell's criticism - too many to quote above.

How is CF Endurance, if one were using CF for Triathlon Training, which many people do, not sport-specific? How is the Running and Endurance cert not sport-specific to any kind of running? How is the rowing cert not sport specific?

If your answer is because these things have other impacts upon fitness besides their own sport specificity, why doesn't Football qualify under that same rubric? It requires, balance, agility, coordination, speed, etc.

Moreover, has ether of you had a chance to see what the CF Football cert will consist of? Do you know that most of the foundational movements will be taught (6 of 9, I believe). Is it somehow anathema that different sports, like football, are using CF to achieve their fitness/GPP goals, but tailoring the training to their specific athletes. Sort of like Fight Gone Bad was designed for MMA guys? Hunh, crazy.

How about if someone does Tabata rowing for their rowers? Ba$tards.
How about the 800 and 400 type workouts for middle-distance runners? Heresy.

This is nothing more than a recognition of what's been going on with CF for some time. CF (Main) is for GPP alone. But different sports have some specific demands unique to their sport. But it's our position that CF's GPP benefits would benefit all athletes. But at some level, there are only a certain number of hours in a day and so much the human body can take in training. It's a trade-off.

I'm waiting for CF Hockey, myself. It will be very specific to those who can skate, but do you think it wouldn't help your balance, agility, coordination, to be able to skate and stickhandle? And what if hockey players did ground-based WoDs (oly lifts, etc) for GPP but supplemented that with CF-style Tabata work on ice? Should we have them excommunicated, as well?

Just some thoughts.

Still no comments about steroids.
"Offensive tackle John Welbourn, who was suspended for the first six weeks of the season, will practice with the Chiefs next week, The Kansas City Star reported Wednesday.
Welbourn has missed 10 games in two years for violating the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing drugs. He retired in June but later asked for reinstatement and was suspended for six games this season."
This isn't speculation, he was suspended for violations. Was he clean at the games last year? Was it a "mistake"? No one will adress the simple question

Public Service Announcement:

It's already April (how the heck did that happen?) and July will be here before you know it! Now is the time to start planning your trip to the Crossfit Games! Don't have the money for a plane ticket, or hotel room? You're Crossfitters people, improvise! Teach everyone you know how to do an OHS with a broomstick...and charge them for the service! Keep doing that and stash the cash in a jar. Also, stop buying your daily latte from Starbucks and put that three bucks in there each day too. Pretty soon, you got yourself a plane ticket. You simply must find a way to be there!

Worried about where to stay? Find a fellow Crossfitter from your area who's going. See if you can bum some space on a hotel room floor or sleep in your car. Heck, pitch a tent outside the Playoff Beard Party Bus™, you'll probably be too excited to sleep anyway! No money for beer? Just swing by the bus, we've got you covered...right Herm? ;-)

Anyhow, the point is this: On July 11-12 you will have the chance to witness the most amazing display of elite human performance in history. Ok, maybe I'm going a little overboard, but dudes and dudettes...this is gonna rock, that I can assure you. You will meet the most amazing people and have the time of your life, so get going and I'll see you all at the Games!

3-2-1 Go!

Dale Saran,

I don't understand why you "take issue" with my criticisms. In defending Crossfit Football, you wrote: "different sports have some specific demands unique to their sport." I agree. And I also argued that different positions within a single sport (in this case, football) have some specific demands unique to their position. Your post does not seem to be at odds with my view.

Can someone point me in the direction or link to the Crossfit article that specifies the benefits of CrossFit for police officers. I'm looking to go to the Cert I in Maine and work may pay for it. I'm expecting an initial refusal and my appeal will likely blow them away, because CrossFit is hard to deny.
But any help would be greatly appreciated.

My email is michael.jackson@saintjohn.ca

M/49/151/1-1-06

Borrowed, adapted, and screwed up from the Australasion Qualifier.

21-15-9
Burpees
PU
Run 400M

Had a brain cramp in round 2 and did 21 of both AGAIN. Realized this mid-way through 21 burpees in round 3 and just said to heck with it and did 21 for all three rounds.

16:10

What a stupid I am...

m/41/179
100 burpees - 7:44 PR

My girlfriend found my crossfit notebook today and asked "whos nicole?" she also saw the names of other girls and numbers. Im not sure if she bought the fact that theyre actually the names for workouts

Happy April Fools Day!!!!! ;-)

Rest question

I was always doing the normal 12 week workout routine. (4th and 8th take it easy or half power) But I usually do a 12th week. Is that right? I saw it on the message boards earlier and I thought I'd ask. Thanks

CFSB wk5 FS 5x3 125, 135 (2), 145, 155 (1) (Only 4 rds, argh)
BS 16x155 PR

I'm sure it is a typo, but there is no met-con listed on the schedule for today, so Thank Zeus, I'm done. My legs are toast.

Good luck to Crossfit with the RRG.

“Would you like some pull ups with your run??”

‘Nicole’ 7 rounds of 400, + 200m, Pull ups: 7-6-7-6-5-4-6

(little time to spare at end, so got back on bar just hung there time was up, rather than keep running).
Note- runs indoors, 100m track, feel like a hamster running in a cage, ha ha ha

Ok, this stunk…opinions welcomed. I decreased the amt of asst on gravitron from 34# of asst, to 16# (lowest possible). My runs were not slow, but pull ups were more or less from dead hang (and the round with 4, while lowest amt of pull ups, I pretty much saw black on that last pull up). With more asst, I can do almost a “kip” with them. However, I am really really really wanting to do unassisted. It’s been over 2 yrs, and while I am plowing through other things, I am hung up on pull ups (Granted, when I stared I used about 85# asst). Last time on Nicole, I did about (86?) Pull ups (34# asst) and 7 rounds running. This time far less pull ups, but less asst. Any benefit this time? I feel like I did not get a good workout… :(
Erin

Raiden: 12th week is totally off.

Dale Saran - #97

"On CF Football - I take issue with both Lewis's criticisms and Paul's."

Well, I can't speak for Paul, but you seem to be mounting a defense against what I would call observations on my part. Please re-read my post. Was I criticizing? As I stated before, I'm glad to see this new direction. “Crazy,” “heresy”, “excommunicated?” Dude! Chill.

But I'll also say again that it is a NEW direction. Of course people use many other CF certs for specific sports. But, while running technique is taught at CF Endurance certs, the training approach is meant to apply to any of MANY endurance-oriented sports: running, rowing, swimming, biking, cross-country skiing, etc. In looking at all of the existing certs, I think it’s fair to say that all of them are geared toward being used as an adjunct to Crossfit. CF Football, on the other hand, is geared toward using Crossfit as an adjunct to to a specific sport.

From the description of the Gymnastics cert: “The point of this certification is to educate you in basic gymnastic movements which in turn will allow you to progress in your CrossFit workouts.”

From the description of the Oly cert: “The snatch and clean and jerk bring speed, power,
coordination, agility, accuracy and balance to your strength training. These lifts are
indispensable to CrossFit programming and expert coaching is a powerful advantage.”

From the description of the Rowing cert: “…to maximize your skill and familiarity with rowing, an important component of many CrossFit workouts. Participants will learn rowing technique, technical error analysis and correction, verbal cues, rowing physiology and kinesiology, how to structure a CrossFit rowing workout, maximizing rowing power and efficiency, increasing rowing power output for better WOD times/scores and more at this comprehensive workshop.”

And from the description of the Football cert: “The CrossFit Football Level 1 Certification is an introduction to the CrossFit Football concepts, movements and level of intensity needed to be successful
playing football.” To be successful playing football. Nothing about using football training as a tool or path to any other end.

Yes, it goes without saying that learning almost any sport can have beneficial carryover to other activities. But how many Crossfitters will be getting a cert in Football to improve their WOD times? About as many as will be getting that CF Hockey cert to improve their balance, agility and coordination. And about as many as will be getting the CF Darts cert to improve their hand-eye coordination.

This one is different, Dale. And that is not a criticism.

I'll be sore tomorrow, I'm a day behind, looking forward to a solid 36 hour break. I'm beat up!!!

in8grl-
Ditch the assistance? I learned pullups by greasing the groove in the bathroom at work- no bands, no gravitron. Lots of jumping and negatives, some partials.

Very glad to see CrossFit Football launched. Congrats and good luck to all associated with it.

Few comments on the RRG:

1. Overall, a sensible idea.

2. Dale's clarification at #91 that it is not available to those outside the US probably gets over a point I would have made. Different jurisdictions have different litigation rules. Plus certain societies are just more litigous than others. So if some affiliates might end up subsidizing those who operate in that riskier environment. Does this comment still apply to different States in the US? I don't know.

3. Is the RRG going to just operate as an aid to defendants or will it also initiate action? The article states that it will "take aggressive action in the defense of our reputation". Will it be a plaintiff in passing-off / intellectual property disputes?

4. Will the RRG defend just affiliates or also Crossfit Inc.? The article states, "This company will not be owned by CFHQ; it will be owned by YOU—the community, our affiliates and trainers" but then goes on to state "Imagine for a moment the effects of a multi-million-dollar claim against CrossFit Inc. when the RRG had not quite met its operational quota". This is a little confusing.

5. Control of decision-making is a tough nut to crack. It might be that you pay in to this fund for 10 years and you mentally bank on this capital being available. But it then turns out that some very aggressive litigation (suing or being sued) has dwindled the resources down considerably. This is always a risk with a group endeavour so not a crticism. Plus shares means you have some say.

Peace.

CFFB looks awesome. Now to get something going for Crossfit HOCKEY!!! Although crossfit in general has helped me immensely.

Crossfit Football - very clever coach, John! I definitely fell for it, and I was on the lookout for hoaxes today.

Of course, if it turns out to be true, the joke is still on me.

I find the use of Cerberus by CFRRG intriguing... Anyone know how deep the allegory may be? Just curious.

Random thoughts...

1) RRG. This is really pretty cutting edge in this arena. Although there are numerous examples of this in other areas wherein you have numerous independent entities (Medicine), this is virgin territory for this industry. Is it, or will it be a perfect answer or solution? Hardly, and I doubt that anyone involved would take that position. However, it is a significant move toward protecting affiliates and trainers and we should all celebrate what the RRG IS while working to improve what it can BECOME.

While not actively training anyone or the owner of an Affiliate, I will be ponying up $200 to join.

2) CFFB. This is cool stuff. Anyone who has been paying close attention to Coach should have seen this coming quite a while ago. John Welbourne is relatively new to the Crossfit scene, but Coach has been talking about applying CF principles to specific sports training for quite some time. I recall a post here about a high school football coach in Texas who modified CF for his players in the summer training programs, and there was a very cool CFJ article 2 years ago I think by Josh Everett about using CF principles in a modified program to train the baseball and women's basketball teams at Cal Riverside.

And why not? Crossfit Classic, the Main Page, is a GPP program, but there are Crossfit principles that underlie CF Classic that are applicable to multiple sports in a sport specific mode. Multi-joint dynamic exercises done at high intensity in a measureable, scoreable environment. Check. Programs geared to the time and modal demands of the specific activity wherein we KNOW the time and modal demands rather than training in ALL time and modal domains in order to be prepared for anything. Check.

I will politely (and cautiously...have you seen how big Welbourne is?!) disagree with John about positional training, though. I think that CFFB is likely to evolve to include one more breakdown in daily WOD's and lifting: Interior line and backs/ends. While I agree with John that there is likely to be more in common between these groups than not, my experience as a college football player (at a much, much lower level) is that there IS a difference in the type of conditioning required to do the job at guard vs. cornerback (note that I am discussing conditioning, not positional skills, the difference of which is obvious).

CFFB appears to be the next natural evolutionary change/addition to the Crossfit program. Can't you see it? Crossfit skiing/boarding, Crossfit hockey, Crossfit golf...

Tried a little CF Football for fun.

"Amy" as rx'd:
14-10-6
2 pood KB Swings (subbed 70# DB)
DB Thrusters 50#
Pull-ups

8:20

That's because crossfit is so impresive it can adapt and improve every single sport and work diferential with the diferents position, power, endurance pe agility requirement crossfit is so perfect bros and sists...crossfit football looks great to me

in8girl----

I think the bands are good to help build strength and endurance, not only in the back and shoulders, but the forearms, wrists and hands. So while I'm glad I used the bands for so long, they were not helping me get the rhythm of the kip. Just start swinging... I'll send you the link I sent cookie that helped tremendously.

Sent you & jennifer email----tough stuff:(
Thanks

Hey KieranGT is "AMMY" as tough as she looks? How does she feels brother???

I think CFFB is outstanding. I wish I had CF or CFFB when I was in college.

I think the crossfit football website is a phenomenal idea. I don't understand why people are getting so defensive about crossfit branching out into other arenas. If it is a gpp, then what are we preparing for? I bet for some it is something other than the sport of crossfit. If it is football why not have some further insight into making yourself the best possible football player. I thought the lack of gpp was often a limiting factor in some of these athletes developments, if you can combine the two aspects won't that make a better football, hockey, etc. player? I honestly don't think coach would bring this under the crossfit umbrella if he thought it lacked integrity and worth.

I've been on the Paleo Diet for the last 4.5 years,about 4 years ago I came up with a shake,check out on youtube "the paleo shake"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRiQ7BX91qs

Thanks Bingo

Just wondering if they ever vary hand placement on the pullups... wider, closer, reverse to achieve different results or if we are just happy to be able to do pullups at all.

Won't be able to workout tomorrow so I did Elizabeth today.

Squat cleans 135 lbs : 21-15-9
Dips : 21-15-9

about 15 minutes

Whomever joked about Crossfit Golf:

The idea is not too far off. I train some very good golfers, and they have noticed big differences in their game. It's not necessarily the METCON or increased work capacity that gives the benefit. It's the more intangible benefits Crossfit brings, such as mental acuity in the moment, balance, coordination, and instantaneous force generation.

"RING WAR!" Comment #79 - Posted by: JroCk-Beach CrossFit

Justin, I LOVE THIS!!! :)

Bingo:

I agree about how you talk in terms of "revolutionary in regards to the CFFB program.

Jakers:

What's up homefries? :)

Playoff Beard:

I'm trying to get the boss to rent a huge RV camper for the Game, and potentially fund our food requirements (which will actually turn out to be keg money)...

...more info to follow...

Comment #66 - Posted by: LT "only a handful of guys in the NFL are on steroids."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

Regarding the insurance coverage, looks like it is worth a try. Continue to be disappointed in the whining regarding personal injury liability. If you charge someone to train them, then you should take responsibility if your advice results in an injury. If you don't pony up the money for the medical bills, then it makes sense that injured client will resort to the legal system to get you to man up. In addition, if the client is insured, chances are the insurance company will seek reimbursement *if* the injury was a consequence of the trainers negligence.

Bottom line, man up and take some responsibility. If you hurt someone, you need to make that person whole to the best of your ability. If you can't do that, don't work as a trainer.

#129 Herm:

I like the way you think brother.

FYI: I just registered as a volunteer for the NorCal qualifier, I assume you'll be there.

the last thing that jeannie says after i come off the rings is

"...hahaha i won!" lol!

yes indeed she did!

~J~

#79 JroCk (& jeannie) - Good fun!

#88 Fit Mom - GREAT job...so glad the shoulder cooperated for you this morning ~

#99 Playoff Beard - Wish I was 20 years younger...

CFWUx3 (no Sit Ups no BE's) + OHS + ring front supports :20 x2

5 Rounds for time
30 GHD Sit Ups x 2 Rounds ~ Unanchored Butterfly Sit Ups x 3 Rounds
25 GHD BE's

12:53 PR by 2:04 AND 3 lbs. lighter than @ 1/26/09 ~ I don't know which improvement I'm more excited about!

F58/137/5'2"(almost)

outside WOD
3 rounds for time:
1/4 mile run
10 chest to bar pullups
10 ring dips
10 burpees
5 tractor tire flips
11:41

Herm,

I'm just chillin' this week getting prepped for the cert this weekend. I can't wait. A year and half of crossfit and I'll finally be certified. Wish the trainers luck in straightening out a train wreck like me.

Thanks for the shout out brother.

Playoff Beard,
I think I'm allowed to drink when I'm out of town so save a cold one for me at the Games Bus TM.

SWA
185/M/6'0"/32

CFFootball sounds like a good idea... It will be interesting to see who else is behind the "curtain"

WOD w/ SRA Team Work out

For Time 3 rounds

Run 1 Mile
Count rounds of below; while your partner is running:
5 PU
10 PU
15 SQ

51 min 07 sec

SWA 7, 7, 7
SRA 9,11,10
Combined Rounds 51 rounds

GO LUTES!

Made up my own CFFB workout. What do you think?
5 rounds:
5 Hang Power Cleans (175lb)
10 Box Jumps (30")
10 Ring Dips
20 Double Unders
14:25

Hey # 135 barry that wod looks great i'll hit it some time bit i'll sub the ring dips muscle-ups sound better >=)

thanks S'more. Muscle-ups instead of ring dips would be very brutal. You got my brain turning now for something with muscle-ups.

Warm-up:
3 Rounds:
5 pull-ups
10 push-ups
15 squats
10 double-unders

WOD:
7 pull-ups
7 thrusters (95 lb)
7 burpees
6:28

Then:
4 x 20 hang knee raises

Warm-ups:
3 Rounds:
5 pull-ups
10 push-ups
15 squats
10 double-unders

WOD:
5 rounds:
7 pull-ups
7 thrusters (95 lb)
7 burpees

6:28

Jakers: Roger that, cold one(s) will be saved for you! Good luck at the cert man, that's awesome. I just went to mine 2 weeks ago...best fitness decision I've ever made. Let me know how it goes and beware of Fran ;-)

Fit Mom's Mom: What??? Girl, there's no age limit on having fun! Life is an adventure, live it to the fullest!

John: You are a beast of a man. And I mean that with the utmost respect Mr. Welbourne...sir.

Is the April Fool that the guy in the picture is NOT Brandon Albert?

I'll weight in first- CFFB looks great. A new CF resource for those who are/have been involved with the sport- sounds like a great idea.

CFFB is a great addition to the CF community, making CF especially accessible to the football community- that's a great! I can't wait to see what is the next CrossFit[your sport here].com

we need a crossfit basketball if there anything like that email me

Bike 10 min.

3 rounds for time:
25 steps walking lunge
21 1.5pood KB swings
12 L Pulls

12:00 min

3/31/09
CFWUx3
WOD
30 sit-ups
25 back ext.
5 rounds
time: 6:57

5-4-3-2-1
of
135# squat thrusters
270# deads
for time
9:17

Triple Frip
21-15-9 65# Thrusters/Jumping ring dips

three rounds

29:14

I like this concept of self insurance very much. The more you keep things local, the more specific and useful it is. This is the very point of freedom.

I won't pontificate for now on the homologies of our method, the prevailing political tone, and the economics of this idea, but there is a clear consistency running through all of this that is a pleasure to see.

Re:
Comment #73 - Posted by: Welbourn at April 1, 2009 8:40 AM
"just like CrossFit has grown and made 'tweaks' and adjustments to its program over the years, I expect CrossFit Football will experience a similar evolution. It is holding its first Cert. in May, which is only open to HQ staff. The program will not be perfect right out of the box"

Wait a minute. The program is being tweaked and adjusted via trial and error? Throw a bunch of Crossfit techniques out there and see what works for football players and what doesn't? That's not what the marketing on the site says. It says the program “has been designed by athletes and coaches who have dominated at the highest levels of competitive athletics.” That's how “we know CrossFit Football's programming works.”

If this is a program that's being worked out in a sort of "learn as we go" kind of way, then why wouldn't a high school football player be better off doing whatever their grizzled old coach says to do? There's a decades-long knowledge base about what works for training football players. Obviously the strength & conditioning coaches at Miami University or Penn State etc, they have at least a clue how to develop a player. Wouldn't a young person who's serious about football be better off following a program from someone like that, than CrossFit Football? What's the advantage to the young player?

Please make Crossfit Hockey!

Don't usually write much, I'm a CF community nobody. A 40-year old garage guy who posts just hoping to create a few 'compare to' logs...

But yes, I played football in college. And lacrosse. Still playing lacrosse at high levels, against pros at all the tournaments and all year in Club season. One of only 3 guys on my team over 30. Lacrosse is a good, fast, tough contact sport and a relatively small community - small enough that I can easily go to a tournament and play in the "Elite" bracket against pros, the Masters bracket against ex-pros (33+) and the Supermasters against aging Hall of Famers. I hold my own, thanks to Crossfit.

What's not being said in this discussion is something common to contact sports: physical armoring is on all our minds. Building muscle mass is great for dominating strength AND its also critically important to protect us against the violence inherent in such sports. A solid layer of muscle over our bones is the difference between taking the rest of the year off and not. OR for a younger player, losing his scholarship or not.

I've never heard of a lacrosse player on Vitamin S - and in 4 years of NCAA football, I saw 1 guy for 1 year who thought it was worth the risk. As Wellborn said, its all about the Lucky Sperm Club in terms of frame and potential...

I've blown a knee (total ACL, total MCL, split meniscus, cracked femur) and come back to play without even a brace thanks to Crossfit. Keeping it mixed up and random is the key to both building strength and recovering. And I think CF Football is extremely valuable, especially compared to the narrow-minded "eat, squat, and bench" training mentality present in so many NCAA programs.

I'm also a lacrosse coach and I routinely mix in the 400m + strength type workouts for my kids. Nothing better for lacrosse. If I can recognize the ones which fit my sport, then a Football strength & conditioning coach can certainly find & develop the ones which fit his.

And if you're not a football person... don't click the link. Simple as that.

If CrossfitLacrosse is waiting in the wings somewhere, looking for a sponsor or a coach, let me know.

Ben

Just read through a bit more of the thread, and will comment on the Football issue.

Why is the question "is this CrossFit specific?"

Why not "is this useful and good?"

Why not take on the ACSM and NSCA and others, and kick their asses through our USEFULNESS? You don't need a Ph.D to be useful. You need to be in a position to offer advice that consistently leads to predictable and positive results.

CrossFit is a template. It is a combination of colors that can be blended infinitely, but which always trace back to a core of variety, functionality, and intensity.

Keep in mind as well that for most of us, even if the physical benefits were no better than some other program--say for the sake of argument weights MWF, run TTHSa--we would still do this for the MENTAL benefits.

Will anyone argue that mentally tougher Football players do not have an advantage?

Barry #154;

Aye, Brother.