Me:42yo/M/5’10”/175lbs/10%BF

That’s how I have started my posts for the last two and a half years. The numbers have changed dramatically over the course of the last several years and I have Crossfit and the Paleo/Zone to thank for it. My crossfit journey has evolved over that course and my numbers continue to improve.

Having said that, I have a question to ask the rest day crowed and I am especially interested in the opinions of crossfitters who have been faithfully crossfitting and zoning for over three years.

As I have pursued and mastered the mechanics of the movements, and become consistent with those movements I have increased the intensity of my workouts and I am now to the point where, when I go to a globo gym, many people will just stare, and I like that ☺

Standing here today on my path from sickness through wellness to fitness, I am now pursuing dominance. It is just at this moment when I am now seeing some regression back from fitness. This regression can be categorized as injury(ies). No injury is serious (yet?) but I now have pain when I raise my left arm (dominant arm) in the top of the shoulder area, my elbows are constantly sore when I’m not working out and are uncomfortable to the touch and my toes get really sore sometimes for no reason. I also have other aches and pains that are more intermittent.

For the above reasons, I have decided to incorporate three phases into my crossfit programming. I call these phases crawl, walk, run and they describe my intensity level. I cannot decide how much time to allocate to each training phase. I am going to begin with two months of crawling at which time I will take the WOD and focus completely on the mechanics of the exercise(s). The walk phase will last 4 months and will consist of taking the WOD and going at a half to three-quarter intensity level with a continuing focus on the mechanics of the exercises making sure that my mechanics do not degrade, or degrade as little as possible. The run phase will last six months and during this phase I will go from a three quarter intensity to full on intensity trying to maintain the mechanics to at least the 90 percent level.

With all of the above being said, here is my question:

Has any other person who has been crossfitting for over three years had to do some programming like I am describing? If so, what did your program look like. I could really use some input especially the phasing, amounts of time in each phase and then other questions like: What does your warm-up and cool-down look like? My warm up and cool downs are skill based.

Sorry for being long winded. I hope that by giving this much information that I can avoid the baseless comments like, “your over-training”, or “your old, get used to it” I am well aware of both of these already ☺

Please reply on this message board or click on my name to email me directly ☺

Thanks awesome Crossfit people, you are the best, ♥

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

whew ill enjoy this

Kyle Maynard is my hero

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell

Thanks to CrossFit these men and women are better able to hunt and kill the bad guys! ROCK ON CrossFit!!

I wouldn't want to scrap with Kyle-that is awesome!

Being that I workout 5/2, I decided to do the workout that was bench press and pullups...Lynne I think
Looking forward to visiting CF southside in Jax.
Crossfit rocks...and even though I may not be a regular to an affiliate(sp), wherever I go to workout, they will know it's crossfit.

If anyone is ever in the Seattle area, you have to check out CrossFit Bellevue. This place was great and the people are awesome. Thanks: Dan, Leilani, Gabe, Steve, Janice, and everyone else for making me feel welcome.

Jim Hollingsworth

Navy Chief, Navy Pride!!!

It's wall ball time for me. My homemade wall ball has seen better days. last time I used it I ate sand on every rep. GOOD TIMES!

I did 31 unbroken pull-ups and 4 muscle ups right in a row!

Didn't think I'd ever be able to do that. Now I want at least 40 pull-ups and 10 muscle ups.. So exciting :D

Kyle,
I met you years ago before we were into crossfit. At Hardcore Gym in Athens. Im one of the guys from Spartan in Birmingham.

Its great to see you in the videos and hope to run into you again.

Take care.
Luan

kyle is more and more amazing as well as unbelievably inspiring every time a video of him is posted! thanks

hi Playoff Beard s'morelle is doing fine just a little problem with the lactose but we are doing our best effords.....

dude i KNOW you will have a GREAT time at the games the countdown has started bro hiw exiting is that!!! i know this year the games will be OUT OF THIS WORLD the competitors are amazing they are ready just one think to the coach and this will be on capitol letters...COACH THIS YEAR PLEASE PLEASE REC THE GAMES AND SELL IT WITH BONUS TRACKS AND EVERYTHING WE WANT TO BUY AN OFFICIAL CROSSFIT DVD HERE IN SOUTH AMERICA WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE GAMES WE DON'T WANT TO MISS ONE PULL-UP ONE MUSCLE-UP ONE THRUSTER EVEN BETTER ONE PUKE...SO PLEASE COCH GLASSMAN MAKE US THAT HUGE HUGE FAVOR....

big hugs everyone my heart is with you as always you are the best community of the whole wide world

Kyle

that was awesome

cant wait to see you in August!!

Tony

Tieing into the movie, what kind of stories do people have of Crossfit advancing them in Wrestling?

I for one had never found a program that could reach the same intensity as rolling around for 6 mins.

this has probably been answered heaps of times before, so sorry for asking it again, but:
do crossfitters count the bar when totaling their weights?

eg is body weight bench 70kgs total, or 20kg bar plus body weight?

cheers

I had already read that article. A big part of the increase is fear of a ban on the part of consumers and more importantly suppliers. If you're an AR/BR manufacturer, you might add a shift to match rising demand, but you wouldn't buy additional capacity (factory/equipment) if you'd be out of business in a year.

Once people realize no ban is coming and the bank meltdown won't really lead to TEOTWAWKI, we should see those prices come down. (Esp. on 7.62 NATO I hope, b/c $1400/rifle is ridiculous and I want one!)

I think the increased tax is a non-starter also, b/c most of the people writing the bills don't realize that it's easily possible to go through 1000 rds of .22 LR in a weekend and people aren't going to stand for having to pay more than $30 to do it.

BTW Kyle rules he is so an inspiration...really Kyle thanks so much for giving the best on your WODs when i'm itred and just thinking on going slower i just think "Kyle hit his WODs harder as he can why WHY don't you?? explote son of a "!$% EXPLOTE DAMN IT" really Kyle you are an inspiration for me...ALL my respects brother

Kyle and his excellent training staff is why I go to No Excuses Athletics when I have 4 other affiliates closer to my house.

i know x-fit helps me with my muay thai soooo much I love the whole crossfit community most of all but

Rookie #15

All weightlifting that uses a barbell includes the weight of the bar. My Lynne is 160# bench press which is 2x45# plates, 2x10# weights, and 2x2 1/2 weights. This is 115# of added weight plus a 45# bar (approximate bar weight).

Should a new tax be imposed on good, increasing the price, the demand for that taxed good would decrease, and demand for a substitute good would increase.

In the case of ammo that the government has a tax record of, a substitute good would most likely be ammo that the government does not have a tax record of.

If that tax is applied to the guns themselves, or they are banned, a similar practice will take place of selling guns on non-government regulated markets.

I'm trying to keep the term black market out of this, black market is a term invented by people who believe that the only way to trade is in a way where the government has it's fingers in the pot.

* I try to keep theory discussions in as neutral of language as possible, avoiding terms that have an emotion attached to them (illegal alien, black market, commie pinko). The last time I did this I got some heat for the term "undocumented American." Its not political correctness, it's taking the emotion associated with certain words out of the discussion.

so last rest day jakers started a globo gym story trend and i was away from the site for a while and didnt get to post, so i have a couple stories jsut form the weekend,

background - im about a month into crossfit thanks to my uncle and i have never been so stoked on anything in my life, i have always played hockey and lacrosse and football but now that im out of school i got lazy and needed something to get me back active

story 1
i went to my old hometown to see my best friends and party hard, after drinkin a few too many wobly pops on friday night i woke up feeling guilty and decided to go to the rec center for a work out, not knowing the WOD i was just gonna throw something together ( ended up: 5 round for time, run 400 meters, 45 lb thruster 10 reps, 10 pull ups, 10 sit ups) i managed to talk a buddy into gettin up and coming with, i had mentioned CF to him a few times but he had no interest, so as we mozy out of the change room he says to me "so is it an upper body day or lower body?" i preceded to tell him he should have listened when i explained cross fit last time. so i stretched put him through a warm up and by that time he was ready to quit. he started walking to the locker room and i asked him if he needed to use the facilities before the workout, he responded with a loud "are you serious?! thats not the workout?" i told him no and he dropped his head and turned on a dime to join me, i explained the workout and it began. half way through he bailed and i finished hard, i met him in the steam room where i asked how he felt, i got what an ass chewing reminiscent of my dad catching me drinking at 16, he was not pleased that i put him through that after the night we had, i laughed the whole time and when he left i felt more accomplished then after any other work out. we settled the bad blood over a hot coffee and he credited the whole CF community for bein outstanding athletes. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

story 2

this very same weekend my friends decided they wanted to grab some mcdicks (AKA McDonalds)for dinner, so as we stood in line they all placed their order, and i stood and watched, telling myself the whole time i couldnt comprehend putting that garbage into my body, after everyone else placed their order the greasy kid at the till turned to me and gives me the standard "and, what can i get for you sir?" now what i wanted to say was "a bottle of water and thats it. thank you" but what actually came out went something like this "nothing, eating here is against my religion" looking shocked, my friends pound a section of empty tables where we could all sit and when we got settled one of them asked me what religion prevented me from enjoying a greasy big mac, and befor i could answer, the very same friend i took to the gym earlier answered it for me very simply "Crossfit" and then the questions came. LOL

so im not sure if the community will find this as humourous as i did but i figured i would share it anyway, happy resting, and ill be making up sundays WOD tomorrow instead of resting

so many people using my namesake. might have to change it to something else shortly.

happy rest day people.

s'more - hope all is well in fatherhoodland

I usually don't post on the comments (I always write my stuff down; just easier for me to refer to). However, I feel compelled to thank all of the Crossfit veterans that continue to share their insights, whether it be about the WOD, overcoming personal trials, words of encouragement, or a funny story. While these message boards are always very active, I want you to know that more Crossfitters than you realize read these and appreciate them. I hope you continue to enrich the Crossfit experience.

Kenyon

I don't believe gun sales will drop that much. There might me a few short downturns in the gun market but historically people are in the market for guns. When something bad happens (Y2K, 9/11, etc..) People go out and buy guns. You would thing there would be an adverse reaction when good things happen but there isn't. People go out and buy guns when they feel good too.

Dave

#25 Either way, gun prices will drop. If a sustained increase in gun sales is seen, then manufacturers will increase production.

I just hope this will mean prices come down just in time for me to start my collection (need my degree, job and money first).

These videos continually solidify my desicion to further study, teach and develop this system.
I thank you for that.

I know Jon Gilson's got some serious payback in mind. Which sucks.

But on a serious note, thanks for the encouraging words. CrossFit truly has enhanced not only the quality of my fitness, but the same can honestly be said for my life in the past year.

Not to mention, CrossFit's taken me to new heights in the role it's playing to prepare me to whoop some ass in my first amatuer MMA fight coming up on April 25th. A lot of people don't want to see me do it...thinking I'll invariably get hurt, and it'll hurl the sport back into the dark ages. But I'm more confident than I've ever been, and this community is a big part of that.

Also, in regards to Patrick's comment #18- he forgot to mention that our box is right next to a full service Oriental Massage Parlor- which has to have played into his decision to commute to hit the WODs with us...

Don't agree with any of the points made in the gun article. The stocks are performing the same as every other stock right now.

Ruger cloased at 7.15 on Oct 31. It closed at 5.84 on Nov 14. So Obama's victory apparently drove the price down, not up.

Now it's going up with the rest of the market.

Regarding the Heller decision, so far it is firing blanks. The only law which was overturned by Heller prohibited someone accused of possessing kiddie porn from having a gun.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/us/17bar.html

"There is one arguable exception to this trend. Two judges have struck down a part of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, named after the murdered son of John Walsh, the host of the television show “America’s Most Wanted.” The act says that people accused of child pornography offenses must be prohibited from possessing guns while they await trial."

#22 Rookie and others on the funny stories around crossfit;
Recently I re-arranged my home, which included setting up small gym at my bedroom. My mother came to see it and commented on the color of the walls and bed cover.
Later on I hear from friends she's afraid I will wake up some day in nightmare over all this 'steel' in my room.
Enjoy life everyone!

I realise that rugby is a sport of marginal interest to most CrossFitters (the majority of whom seem to be based in the United States), but you may be aware that the Irish team has just won the Six Nations Championship, with a Grand Slam, defeating France, Italy, England, Scotland and Wales. This is the first time Ireland has achieved a "slam" since 1948 and is a cause for much celebration here in Dublin and all around the country. Congratulations to all the players and coaching staff on a magnificent achievement. Anyway, all this got me thinking: could rugby be the quintessential CrossFit sport? It requires tremendous intensity, involving all-out sprinting, followed by the requirement (in the tackle or ruck) to generate huge power, often with no or very little rest between efforts.

The final match of the championship was between Wales (last year's champions) and Ireland in Cardiff last Saturday. As an example of just how intense international rugby can be, it is hard to beat (I daresay Irish contributors will have posted a few videos to youtube, for those who are interested). I have rarely seen such a brutally physical confrontation. Changes to the rules now mean that the ball tends to stay in play for longer periods, which places extraordinary additional demands on the fitness of the players; this, I think, may be what distinguishes the game from gridiron football, where the ball is out of play for extended periods and there are line changes depending on whether the team is attacking or defending. In rugby (allowing for up to six substitutions) the players stay on the pitch for the full 80 minutes.

In the modern game, the position of openside flanker (no. 7) in particular seems to me to exemplify the sort of competencies that CrossFit tries to foster. The no. 7 is required to be immediately present every time the ball breaks down, in order to contest for possession, both in defence and in offence. He is expected to be on the shoulder of any player making a line break, to provide an option for offloading; he participates in scrums and lineouts, often as an important jumper trying to secure possession from throw-ins; he is expected to exhibit great strength, agility, balance and speed. David Wallace and Martyn Williams (the Irish and Welsh No. 7s, respectively, in last Saturday's match) are both remarkable players who fulfill all of these criteria. Perhaps the greatest modern exponent, however, is Richie McCaw of New Zealand, an amazing athlete, who is widely regarded as one of the best opensides in the history of the game. These players seem to me to be serious candidates for the title of fittest men on the planet, according to the CrossFit criteria. I wonder could any of them be persuaded to participate in the CrossFit Games. Now that would be interesting.

Any views anyone?

Thanks,
Neil

#1 Billy

While I do not exactly meet your criteria, I wish to share my thoughts with you and your desire to alter your programing.

I am a M/47(next month 48)/6'/184# about 9% BF

I have been training Crossfit for 1 year and 6 days, however I have been strength training using both compund and isolation exercises for over 30 years, I studyed Tae Kwon Do for over 15 years, I have been a runner for 36 years and in addition to all of that I swim and cycle as I train for triathalons. My diet is 90% pure, no processed garbage so I eat mostly lean proteins, vegies, fruits and lots of almonds.

Generally speaking, your plan makes sense as most any athlete's body need recovery. What you are describing is periodization and I urge you to research this topic. Any athlete of any age goes through this. Most athletic seaons are broken down into mesocycles, each with their own specific form of stimulus and output, quite similar to our sport, Crossfit.

Listen to your body, if it is frequently breaking down with nagging pains, it's telling you that it needs a break.

Take care and please email me if you wish to discuss this further.

performed on 3/24
Five rounds for max reps of:
Body weight bench press: 7, 6, 5, 5,,4
Pull-ups: 15,15,15,15,15

performed on 3/24
Five rounds for max reps of:
Body weight bench press: 7, 6, 5, 5,,4
Pull-ups: 15,15,15,15,15

@ #1

Just wanted to say that it's hard to identify when someone has to slow down for a bit, especially if that someone is you, and if you did that, it's even harded to actually cut back. So respect for that. That time allocations you gave yourself are ample and show true long term dedication.

Enjoy the journey,

Tommer

Billy, I think Robb Wolf goes into some detail about how the linear progression fails at some point and periodization needs to be considered then. Look up his site. I am anxiously awaiting some knowledge on this to be passed on too. anyone? anyone? Bingo?

Kyle - you are one quick mutha. With that speed, I can't see how anyone bigger than you has a chance. plus, nice pecs;) next time take the shirt off.

alright so I did Sundays and yesterdays workout together... all and all not bad

Sunday WOD ~ avg 10/round at 175 lbs and 15 to 20 pullups/round

Monday WOD ~ 8 flatt following right after the previous, not great, used a 18lbs med ball that is heaviest I own, also while doing the wallballs my iron woody (the med ball) keep raining down sand on me and into my eyes. I figured i had to do at least 85- 90% of the workout with my eyes closed... that makes for a different experience!

Enjoy our restday, my active rest will be washing/waxing/ and detailing the beast!

S'more, Rookie (welcome back), Eric, Fat Tony, Jakers (nice email the other day those were funny), carlox, and everyone else I have forgotten... lets embrace our day off and you guys are amazing and inspiring me to work harder than before!

as rxd

24 hours

We need a return to the Constitution and to not have to worry about the whims of a government that can just pass laws that aren't grounded in the Constitution.

I sincerely hope that Obama is too busy with bailouts to worry about alienating people with another ban.

The author makes good points about how much more mainstream military pattern rifles have become. Plus, I really don't see any actual danger with having AR-15s or AK-47s legal.

Hopefully, if a ban were enacted, Heller's precedent would overturn it.

"You always think you have enough guns & ammo till the zombies come." -K.Douglas

I hope the price of "doggies" and "puppy chow" goes down. My kennel is never full, there's always room for one more, and exercising my second amendment rights is wicked exepensive.

i do not trust obama one bit. quite the opposite.

the gun shows in VA are amazing. you would never believe there's a depression. and, for the girlies out there who aren't part of the gun culture but are curious: yes, there are some renaissance faire freak show attendees at gun shows, but ahem, and listen up: there's also an unusually high body count of hot guys. It's like Quantico and Pendleton shipped in crates full of muscles and tattoos. Go. Look around. Take one home.

Recommended gun culture reading: "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross. Guns, smut, violence. You'll never take any your rights for granted again.

and, finally: Kyle Maynard. You are an excuseless, fearless, useful, competent MAN. Thank you for setting the bar so high.

LOL
Why do they call it that..LOL

Did not rest, I felt that I need to strengthen my bad leg after my snowboarding crash.

10 min on bike
1/4 mile walking lunge - (about 15 min)
3X10 straight leg dead lifts. (40kg+45lb bar) = ?
10 min on bike.

Kyle Maynard inspires me. I'm coming back from torn ligaments... his battle is far harder.

The "Jawbreaker"
Happy Birthday Kyle

m/5'3"/160/29

finished catching up with Karen today.

Karen (kicked my a$$)
(45 lb bbell thrusters)

9:17

left shoulder that has been bothering me felt a little tweaked and got tired real fast, hopefully it shapes up soon!

caught up now after the double up from yesterday: lynne: 53/99 (160 lb bench)
deadlift/800: 19:01 as rxed

now i can rest, until tomorrow.

Received my food scale yesterday and ready to give the Zone a try. But, I'm alittle unsure about the amount of blocks I should eating. From Corssfit Journal 21 it suggests 17 blocks for a medium male (I'm 40 years old 5'11" 160-165lbs) but 21 blocks for hard gainers which I have always considered myself. My weight isn't that important to me, up or down is fine as long as healthy. Should I start at the higher block count and lower if I'm not leaning out sufficiently or start at the lower count and increase if my performance starts to suffer? Thanks for any advise. Jim

Thanks for the comments y’all.

Monte: “Once people realize no ban is coming and the bank meltdown won't really lead to TEOTWAWKI, we should see those prices come down. (Esp. on 7.62 NATO I hope, b/c $1400/rifle is ridiculous and I want one!)”

That’s certainly my hope, .60 cents per round of milsurp 7.62x51 is ridiculous when the cost of base metals is so low.

Mike Morgan: “In the case of ammo that the government has a tax record of, a substitute good would most likely be ammo that the government does not have a tax record of.”

Unfortunately, untaxed ammo will carry a premium due to the risks of running an illegal business. Look at the price of cigarettes vs. the price of marijuana. Tobacco, although taxed heavily is still cheaper than marijuana because of the risk involved in selling marijuana.

Dave: "I don't believe gun sales will drop that much."

I don’t claim to have any special insight into the future, but ask yourself this: when consumers are losing jobs, retrenching, and generally cutting back spending in every other aspect of their lives, do you think they will still pay $1,600 for an AR-15?

Y. Zhou: "I just hope this will mean prices come down just in time for me to start my collection (need my degree, job and money first).
I say, eat ramen for a few weeks and purchase a stripped AR-15 lower receiver. If prices fall, you’ve “wasted” the $60 dollar premium, if the ban comes down the pike, you’re grandfathered.
Joe: Don't agree with any of the points made in the gun article. The stocks are performing the same as every other stock right now… Regarding the Heller decision, so far it is firing blanks."

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. However, the Heller decision is very new and none of the challenges brought under Heller have hit the supreme court. Just a few days ago SAF filed a lawsuit challenging DC’s new gun bans. I’ve read the brief and spoken to one of the parties involved, it’s a very strong case. See the following: http://saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=287

LucienNicholson: "The author makes good points about how much more mainstream military pattern rifles have become. Plus, I really don't see any actual danger with having AR-15s or AK-47s legal."

Thanks. I can’t agree with your second point, however. Guns are dangerous, so are cars, gasoline, and 5-gallon buckets, so the question to me isn’t, “are guns dangerous?” but rather “Would society be a better place with them in the hands of the police and criminals exclusively?”

Spider Chick: “My kennel is never full, there's always room for one more, and exercising my second amendment rights is wicked exepensive.”

Indeed. Your best bet is to purchase the kinds of arms that haven’t been affected by ban hysteria but rather have been hurt by the depression. For example, pre-1899 mosins and mausers, 22lr bolt guns, 22lr repeaters (10/22’s for example), 22lr pistols. If you normally shoot 100 rounds when you practice, while centerfire ammo is ludicrously expensive, practice with 200 rounds of 22lr.

Here's a set of videos about a 3ACR Platoon from Ft. Hood, TX:

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/wdc/killer_blue/

God bless

m/29/5'11/168

BS
110kg*3

21-15-9
50k bench press
chest to bar pullups

~6:45

Billy

if you've already mastered the movements, why would you want to spend two months doing wods slowly focusing on the mechanics of the movements? if you're feeling the effects of overtraining (and it sounds like you are) it probably has more to do with the 3 on 1 off schedule. most every athlete over 40 says recovery is the greatest challenge in their training. don't be afraid to change up the schedule to maybe 3 on 1 off 2 on. also think about including a cycle off every now and then.
i think you should still hit the wods hard just slightly less often.

and yes i fit your criteria. 44 and crossfiting for almost 4 years now. warm up is some light stretching of my lower back, dislocates with pvc, row 500m, some push ups squats and pull ups and the bergener warm up. cool down with a beer after.

Karen, I constantly tell my friends of the upcoming zombie invasion and they scoff at me!

I've noticed ammo prices rising and good quality hard to find since the invasion of Iraq, and this trend has continued and the gradual price increase reaching screeching level since Democrats took charge of Congress. And now that Obama is in office, people are really freaking out.

Wolf 7.62x39 and 54R is hard to come by in Dayton, and even .45acp has gone up at Wally World. Am I whining? Yeah, I guess so, but I intend to stock up soon, not out of fear of increasing prices, just at how much a pain it is to find what I want regarding the Wolf ammo (personal favorite). Heck, I am tempted to go to Indiana to find what I want in bulk.

And the Gun and Knife Show? It's one big anti-Obama/Democrat Show when the real fear should have started back when the Patriot Act was first past. I don't attend anymore because 1) the majority of the people there stink, and I mean that in that they REALLY do stink, as in nacho and BO, and 2) they use this 'fear' of everything government now to bump up their prices when in reality you can go to Gander Mountain or your local gun shop and get real deals and have people work to find what you want.

Anyway, take care Karen, and I hope all is going very well.

And Ally, that is totally awesome about the pullups and muscle ups.

Today was my first day of doing crossfit. My brother fat tony got me interested in giving it a try. I started with the workout from 3.17.09 - the murph. I used the scaled down buttercup version from brand x.

Here's what I did:
1/2 mile run/walk
25 pullups (modified standing)
50 pushups (wall)
75 squats
1/2 mile run/walk
time: 29min. 56sec.

My legs feel like jelly! It definitely got my hr up like crazy. It felt good in a painful, hard way. I'm excited to do a new WOD tomorrow!

my hands,forearms,bis,tris,shoulders traps,rhomboids,lats,spinal erectors,glutes,abs,hams,and quads are relly in need of rest.but coach,we need more calf work,lol.happy rest day!

#47

2 points

1) I agree, there would be a price threshold for having non government approved ammo sales to begin happening.

2) in regard to LucienNicholson's comment. I see more danger in having them be illegal than legal. When illegal there are all the risks of non-government approved businesses.

*paranoia alert*
Also when they kick in my front door and come after me for being a Capitalist dissident (sp?) I would rather not go with my hands on my head to be lead away to some remote facility that officially doesn't exist. (the way the soviets dealt with capitalists)

#1 Billy

Coach Glassman just gave a lecture where he addressed your situation as well as anyone that I have seen on this site. While I can't quote him exactly, the jist is that CFers need to listen to their bodies. Most CFers want a program that they can follow that will deliver optimum fitness (ie, how many months should I spend in crawl, walk, run?). There is no such formula. Coach implied that when your body starts to break down or you see your bench mark times increasing instead of decreasing, it is time to take a break or reduce intensity. His comment was that he wishes he had a formula b/c it would make him a lot of money.

IMO, your problem is that your goal is now to "dominate." In that effort, you are pushing your body too hard. I am 42 and have been CFing since 2004. I've had the same problems (sore elbows, nagging injuries, etc.) when I push it too hard. Coach mentioned that CF is a ten year program. ie, it is a program that will allow you to progress for 10 years. I think you can dominate, but only if you are willing to take more time to get there. My 2 cents.

Hey everyone, for those that know and love Fat Tony...you can now fall in love with a little girl version of him!

BUENO...for my first crossfit workout...it kicked my trash...and i didn't even do it as rx'd.
here's how it went down:
(i did thrusters for monday's workout)
set1: 15reps/10 lbs
2: 10/10
3: 10/10
4: 10/6
5: 10/6
6: 10/6
7: 10/6
8: 10/2
9: 10/2
10: 10/6

105 Out of the 150 i should've done!!!

you'd think that walking around peru for 1 1/2 years would make this a little easier..but WRONG! i thought this was a recipe to turn your legs into jello...i hope i'm wrong.
well, i'd better sign off and go walk or else i'll be in this chair for the next 1 1/2 years.

CROSSFIT es BIEN CHEVERE BACAN!

ps. i'm 5'00", 128lbs...
let's see if this will either make me taller or skinnier, either one will do! hahaha

#54 Mike Morgan

>>Also when they kick in my front door and come after me for being a Capitalist dissident (sp?) I would rather not go with my hands on my head to be lead away to some remote facility that officially doesn't exist. (the way the soviets dealt with capitalists)

Funny you should mention that: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/23/fusion-centers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/100days/

http://health.msn.com/fitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100234946&page=1

I found this on MSN's homepage and thought it was kinda of interesting. The woman in the article gets Rhabdo from what was probably a very weak workout session. It just makes me realize how different we are from the rest of the "fitness" world.

Thoughts and prayers go out to the families/freinds of the 4 Oakland officers killed in service. Read today that the fourth officer was taken off life support.

#57 Goat

Thanks for posting the link to that article and sharing with us.

Off to my appointment w/ Karen now

#60 BayouBengal

No problem. It was sent to me by my father, who's been a bit worried about me since I revealed to him I voted for Ron Paul. I replied to his e-mail with, "Damn, and I was going this weekend to have '...from my cold, dead hands!' tattooed on my forehead"

Three things,

First: The grand slam was well won by the Irish. I train crossFit to play rugby and the 15 lbs combined with the lower body fat I've put on this off season is (hopefully) going to leave a mark.

Second: I always love a talk about the second amendment in the American constitution. Read the book, "Second Treaties on Government" by Locke and note the startling similarities. Essentially, your constitution was written by Locke, an American sympathizer during the American/English war. One huge difference is that in Locke's book he says that "the people have the right AND DUTY to bear arms, AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT IF THE GOVERNMENT FAILS TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE." Keep in mind he lived saw the effects of the English civil war, and lived through the arguments in England regarding the rights/obligations of the leaders. The founding fathers of the U.S. got toothless and took the important part out, giving rights without duties is a tragic combination.

Third: I hear so many stories of people getting hurt for no reason other then guns were close at hand. I have a cousin that was cut off on the highway and in a brief second made a horrible decision to shoot at the guy, now he gets three years for a terrible decision. No gun = No problem. A guy in a temple in Texas kneels down to pray and his gun falls out, goes off. Three people get shot in the ensuing chaos because a bunch of people pull out guns and start shooting. Idiots making poor decisions equals bad outcomes, idiots making poor decisions with firearms equals tragedies.

I'm glad this is a rest day, because I spent seven hours last night in bed, staring at the walls. Got a whopping 1-1/2 hours of sleep. This sucks.

#62 Sheamus

Idiots making poor decisions with lawnmowers equals lawsuits against the mower manufacturer (along with the nickname "Lefty").

#64 Goat:

So we've reached the conclusion, we need to get rid of the idiots. I'll expect proposals to solve the idiot problem by next week.

#65 Sheamus

Easy, give them guns and lock them in a church, with booze.

Been slackin'. F-M off!

CFSB "b"

Front squat new 3RM -> 180

"Pull-up Salad" 5 RFT, 25# -> 13:16

On the subject of idiots and guns: I love guns, they're fun. But like any responsible adult, I realize that they are extremely dangerous toys, like cars and legislative powers, and anybody who fails to treat them as such deserves what he gets. The ultimate justice is when an idiot shoots himself by accident. The ultimate injustice is when he shoots an innocent bystander.

I weighed my homemade wallball this morning before I trained, 26 pounds. Then I did "Lynn" - 5:33. I do believe the ball is somewhat lighter now, I ate sand the whole time as predicted.

I need a real 20# medicine ball, anyone know where to get one cheap, they're all soo expensive.

#41 Spider Chick, Praise the lord and pass the ammunition. As King Leonidis told King Xerxes when asked to lay down his arms and allow the Persian army to conquer Greece, he replied "Molon Labe" Which means, COME AND TAKE THEM!

Obamination is pulling a cheap trick, he says he will not mess with the 2nd Amendment. So far in just 60 days he's tried to have military spent brass shredded so as to make ammo virtually impossible to attain and extremely expensive. 30-06 is as high as $1 per - round. This guy has an agenda of the most sinister proportions.

#1 Billy – I can sympathize with you as I too develop nagging injuries. I’ve been crossfitting for over three years (after a lifetime of free weight workouts) and am 57 years old. Currently I’m dealing with knee and elbow pain. The elbow injury is the typical tennis elbow that comes and goes. The knee strain was from box jumps last month and I’m hopefully healing it with ice and massage. On the positive side my rotator cuff injury has just about healed. I injured it about 18 months ago trying to swing on the rings like I use to 40 years ago in high school. At times it was quite painful, but the alternative of surgery with 6 to 9 months recovery was abhorrent to me (I like crossfitting and golf too much). Suddenly two months ago it started to really feel better, so I’m hopeful I’m over this.

Trying to get injuries to heal is probably the dark side of working out at high intensity with functional movements. It’s hard to rest an injured area – how do you rest your shoulder or knee for weeks and still do crossfit? I understand your strategy of relearning the basic movements. I’m fortunate in that I belong to an affiliate with excellent trainers (CrossFit Marina) who keep my form dialed in.

On one hand I’m kind of disappointed in getting these injuries, because after all this crossfit training I thought I was bullet proof. However, if I look at what I put my body through on my daily workouts – muscle ups, deadlifts, running, clean & jerk, etc. – I’m not sure there are many people of my age out there that could do it with less injuries. So at the end of the day I’m thankful for the health crossfit and my affiliate provide me. Hopefully these workouts will prevent a debilitating injury.

Thank you Ghost Rider for a big laugh this morning as I read your story about "Globo Gym" misshaps. I had to read it outloud to my husband I as was crying in laughter! Good job and good choice for first place Jakers!

It sounds to me like another curve, where a person starts out sub-optimal, as far as nagging injuries and pain. He then begins to train in a useful, intelligent way, and strengthens what needs to be stregthened, moves what needs to move, and begins to feel better and be able to do much more with less pain. But maybe continuing to push that envelope leads to an increase in injury, a trend back towards the sub-optimal. More isn't always better. I guess the increase in effort required as we close in on genetic potential takes it's toll, and it may be best to back off, and kinda settle (if I may use a dirty word) for just a step down from super-human.

Good article, I know I went shopping the week of the election.

Funniest part of that article though was the sentence in the 2nd to last paragraph: "However, if Obama proves to be a hawk..."

I nearly laughed out loud when I read that.

DL DL DL! I hope we have some DL/ metcon workouts again soon. I loved the running DL wod the other day. Maybe Linda! Then I could get in more of those BP’s that I need some serious work on… Last couple wod’s have not been good for the moral…I stunk!

I was humbled…and motivated…with all the sub 6 min “Karen” times. Great job folks!

Strong Lil Pony- outstanding job yesterday! I saw your time/ wt used. Great job!
I was thinking of you Sunday. I did most of my food prep on sat but Sunday I was in the kitchen preparing meat and boiling eggs for the week. I laughed when I was boiling eggs and said bet she is doing this right now too!

so the question is…how to get hard boiled eggs…and tuna… Not to stink so bad when you bring them to work! ;) ha ha ha

Erin

#62 Sheamus

Interesting story re: the temple shooting, got a link? I'm surprised I haven't heard of it until now.

hey fat tony lil sister WELCOME and big hugs your brother have a lot of determination i know you have it to....i know you will love the crossfit workouts and you will love the crossfit community here you will fine the finest athletes and human been...we are the crossfit family and we are glad to have a new sister.....

never stop posting reemember that we are always to help or to chat

3-2-1 VAMOS HERMANITA!!!!!

did this today with mark from CF loveland.

Navy Seal deck of cards workout
diamonds are push ups
clubs are 4 count flutter kicks
hearts are burpees
spades are pull ups
jokers are 1 mile run

48 mins on the dot.

29/m/140lb

'Nate'

With 45lb kettlebell

14 rounds.

I am a member of the crossfit Trussville and virtually new to the whole concept of crossfit (2 months into it now.)

WOD
21, 15, 9
Tire flips w/ jumps in and out.
Wall balls 14lbs.
Alternating kettle swing\squats
Time was 12:25

After catching my breath, did a 1K row in 4:57.

i'm considering going ahead and purchasing tyler hass's powerrings.. has anyone else bought these and pleased with them? thanks!

#47 R. Brent Mattis:

That's basically what I meant, but I was pretty sure that most people understand that guns are dangerous only if misused. The overwhelming majority of people don't go on killing sprees or are members of drug cartels.

Nice article, again.

I wish Lew Rockwell would get an RSS feed like the Von Mises blog.

I finally picked up my copy of Lone Survivor, by Marcus Luttrell. If you haven't already read it, please do.

The Navy SEALS are an insanely tough, intelligent and lethal group of elite warriors. Thank God we have men of that caliber fighting for us.

Happy rest day everyone, never quit!

#62 Sheamus:

What I take from those stories only makes my belief in personal accountability stronger. "No gun = no problem" ... Maybe, but we've all heard of drivers chasing people down and attacking them. "Not irresponsible = no problem."

Yes, Locke's book was a good one, from what I remember from college. I should re-read it.

Did some light cardio work today.

Row 1k / Bike 2k : 5 sets.

Some abs and grip work. Had tiem to kill before a meeting ...

Ready for tomorrow !

m/30/5,8/185 (which i find too heavy, shoot for 175 before july)

Sheamus,

I think you are conflating Burke and Locke. Burke, if memory serves, was Irish.

The English Revolutions were in the 17th Century, so Locke could not have been around. He was in fact a wanted subversive for some period of time, if memory serves. He did some of his writing while in hiding or overseas.

The thing about guns is they provide a needed potential counterweight to governmental abuses. Anyone who reads the history of the Holocaust, or the genocide against the Kulaks (and many others) in the Soviet Union will understand immediately why one of the first things the Nazis and Bolsheviks did was ban private gun ownership.

Equally important, in conditions of civil unrest, it is unreasonable to expect police to be everywhere at once. We all need, potentially, to be the law. This was literally the case in the West during our expansion, but could quite easily be the case in the event of catastrophic attacks of the sort Warren Buffet has said are inevitable.

What if Reginald Denny had pulled a .357 and blown a couple of heads off? We never would have had to watch that video.

Ultimately, any society that fears private gun ownership fears its own citizens. Gun ownership is as essential to democracy as free speech is.

The nations that have forgotten this are rapidly succumbing to Islamic totalitarianism. Guns, themselves, don't matter, but the ability to understand their need does.

The history of this world is littered with horrible violence, in which the strong dominate the weak. Why be weak? This is a very valid question, and I can see no answers other than cowardice and short term convenience.

Locke could not have been around at the end of the 18th Century, is what I meant to say.

18/165/m/6'

did sunday's WOD(lynne) today. i didn't get to do it sunday. bench press @ 165.

1- bench press 9, pullups 21
2- bench press 7, pullups 18
3- bench press 6, pullups 18
4- bench press 6, pullups 15
5- bench press 5, pullups 13

#31 – Neil – Blackrockboy

Neil, cheers. I have been playing rugby for 8 years, but just found Crossfit about 9months ago. I play number 8 and open side for a men’s club out of Boise, ID. Nothing in my previous training has better prepared me for matches than Crossfit workouts. I have fully immersed myself in the culture and philosophies – I subscribe to the news letter, bought Mark Rippetoe’s Starting Strenght, follow a 20+ block zone diet. I have become a much better player because of it, but I also found that strictly sticking to the main site WOD’s does not fully transfer to the pitch. At the end of the summer of ‘08 and through the fall season, some fellow teammates and I discovered crossfit and religiously followed the rx’d WOD. Our rugby fitness and strength dramatically increased, and we were making physical (aesthetic) gains we didn’t think were possible because of our prior efforts. That being said, our second half fitness was still poor. Midway through the fall season we started tweaking our workouts, incorporating the Navy Seal Crossfit site and the Mountain Athlete site out of Jackhole. We continued this training through the winter and the results have been dramatic. Our training efforts have carried over through the team, also. About 10 of us do crossfit style workouts, and one guy is even opening a gym here in Boise (www.crossfitrefinery.com – site debut next month, gym in May). Speaking only for myself, I would probably be laughed out of the xfit games if I competed – there is something about 6’3, 220 lanky lbs that just brutally kills my fran times.

John-in-Jersey,

What Obama (may) want and what he has the votes for are to different things.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iadNpLRYIc0TsbKQg9DVDevMwynwD970ME800

The ban hysteria is mostly whipped up by people selling guns and have a vested interest, much like realtors who tell you the market has bottomed out.

From what I've heard, the brass shredding directive was only intended for overseas units and the DoD misdirected a memo. What a surprise...

18/m/165/6'

i did sunday's WOD(lynne) today; didn't get to do it sunday. bench press was @ 165.

1- bp 9, pu 21
2- bp 7, pu 18
3- bp 6, pu 18
4- bp 6, pu 15
5- bp 5, pu 13

Sorry,

My apologies, I apparently got the details wrong when I heard the story. At any rate, three people were hit.

3 hurt in accidental shooting at Temple Emanu-El

05:38 AM CDT on Thursday, September 13, 2007

By HOLLY YAN / The Dallas Morning News

Three people were injured when a gun accidentally discharged during Rosh Hashanah services at Temple Emanu-El on Wednesday evening.

When Marvin Marks, 81, stood up at the synagogue, a gun that he was carrying dropped and fired, police said. The bullet struck his 42-year-old daughter in the foot; she was hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries.

Two others suffered minor scrapes from the bullet. Police said Mr. Marks was licensed to carry the gun, and the shooting is listed as accidental.
Posted On: Thursday, Sep. 13 2007 @ 11:33AM

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2007/09/dont_shoot_its_rosh_hashanah.php

--in response to all the gun-stuff...

first id like to say that i am a supporter of the constitution's purpose, not its disected wording. second id like to say that i support owning a few guns myself.... because i use them. btw, i hunt bear(fun), deer, duck, goose, pheasant, and coyote illegally (on private land they kill all our deer), and have NEVER needed a 30-round clip to do it.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "

--so... what does that mean?

i think it reads: that since a well regulated militia is needed in order to keep a free state, the people then need the right to bear arms. its directly related to forming militias to secure our freedom. when was the last time we needed to form militias in order to protect our freedom? civil war?

anywho im just saying. im a hunter and i know the value of being able to own a gun so that i can hunt animals. just like having the freedom to own a fishing pole. but the need to form militias ended with the horse and buggy. we no longer need to send a scout on a 2-week journey to let the commander know of an invasion. we gots radar and telephone folks. we also have a very expensive army. so why do i need an assault rifle in my house with a 30-round clip? i really want to know. what possible purpose could that have? if im not buying guns with the direct intent to have to use in a militia, then what business do i have owning that gun? and yes i absolutely put my own ownership and recreation on the line here. im not worried about the gun ban, im worried about why people are stockpiling automatic weapons.

do you all really live in that much fear? dont think TEN ROUNDS (per clip) can stop a bad guy? have zero faith in our military to keep our country safe? just want to shoot for recreation?

i want real answers not "youre a liberal" junk. why do people NEED to be able to own military grade weapons? why cant you just buy a fast car or something? go ahead and cite the constitution, but explain it.

so again i ask why? whats the difference between owning an assault rifle, and a small pistol if you only want it for home defense?

F/37/125
Made up Karen today with the 20# med ball
Short ceiling though cuz of being in garage, about 7 foot, so NOT as rx'd: 9:45
butt to ball each rep:)

The point I was trying to make is that Locke said the people had the right and the duty to bear arms against the government if the government fails to represent their interests. Some of the most dangerous people I have spoken to say that they own the weapons because they have the right, and forget their duties and obligations to safety, proper use and protocol.

I agree that governments should fear the governed. I also agree that there are some bad people in the world, take away guns and crime happens with pointed sticks, but it gets a whole lot harder to hold up a bank with a pointed stick then an assault rifle, or in a tragic event kill four hard working and brave police officers. The absolute point of government is to control the use and application of violence for coercion against people that violate the social contract.

Although look at the situation in China, they have a near crack down on public ownership of weapons and just the other day a soldier on guard duty was killed for his weapon.

#54 Mike Morgan
like the Clash ,guns of Brixton quote .

CFSB wk 4 met-con
AMRAP 20 mins. 10 53lb kb swings, 15 pushups, 20 be's/alternating w/elevated, anchored situps

9 rds + 10 kb swings

Avg HR 169, peak 184, rec 50. At Everyday Fitness, Redding, CA.

800M run
Cfwu w/ additional shoulder work.
Cycle sprints 8 rounds (1 minute spin as fast as possible followed by 1 minute rest)
Stretching.

I'm looking to acquire a fairly easy-to-use gun useful to learn more - sort of a stepping stone gun, if you will. Any recommendations?

Also, I agree with Spider Chick where she cited K. Douglas: "You always think you have enough guns & ammo till the zombies come." I've always read the Second Amendment as guaranteeing the individual right to bear arms against zombies.

#92 dT

Because the assualt rifle works better for home defense. Not that there is a universally agreed upon definition of "assualt weapon". Some assault weapons ban bills have included revolvers and muzzle-loaders, and other guns which no current military on Earth uses.

#94 Sheamus

I think you kinda are getting around to this in your own reasoning, but just because any type of weapon is illegal does not mean that criminals cannot or will not have it. Use the U.K. as a "for instance", since they ban quite a few firearms, and still have violent criminals arrested with illegal guns. Meanwhile, the people placid enough to just go along with the laws are left using knives (while recently the government of the U.K. has been trying to take the points off of cooking knives, seriously.)

No rest for me, did the run/DL workout, as rx'd 15:38, details on that day. I seem to have recovered from whatever it was that knocked me out yesterday.

I guess I'm a gun control skeptic. In my own case, I have never bought a gun because I figure my odds of hurting myself are probably better than my odds of actually using one in self defense. But that calculus could change, and I would like to have the right to decide for myself when it has changed.

Sheamus, your arguments might make sense if we could go back to some mythic state where law abiding, reasonable people and not-law abiding, murderous psychopaths alike were unarmed. But right now the criminal element of our society is unbelievably well equipped, and can get armaments of almost any kind, anytime. The only question is how fast can the pipeline deliver them the crates of ordinance they need. Even if you rule out extreme scenarios (which you probably shouldn't) why take away weapons from responsible people who might need them? I have no great love of guns, but it seems to me gun control is not a practical solution to anything. Yes, we live in a weirdly violent society, don't know what the solution to that is, wish I knew.

According to the most recently released F.B.I. crime statistics, violent crime is at a many-decades low, while gun ownership is at an all-time high. I think the perception of the "violent U.S. society" is more a function of the news media's need to sell commercial airtime than of the actual situation.

I've been trying to remember all day to change my weight when I post, and I keep forgetting, so this post is me finally getting fed up with myself and just doing it.

Goat, congrats on losing a few.

I take your point that violence and gun ownership need not be correlated (or possibly are inversely correlated) and you are right to call me out on not having any data. But isn't it the case that in absolute terms (compared to other countries) we still live in a pretty violent society, even though in relative terms (compared to ourselves) we've made a lot of progress? As I ask this, it seems to me that might be a hard claim to test against reliable data. It may be that other countries don't report and track violent crimes as well as the FBI does.

Nick #98: The cheapest to shoot and easiest to use gun in my opinion would be a .22. You can buy around 500 rounds for ~$10 (I am in SC though so they may be more expensive elsewhere). It is a really good starter gun. Be careful with it though because while it is a small and cheap gun, .22 bullets can travel up to around 1.5 miles if fired at a 45 degree angle. Lastly, it should only cost you around 100 bucks new, maybe more like 60 or 70 if you can find one used.

#103 Kamper

Honestly, this I don't know. It's interesting, though, and I may look it up. I'm assuming you mean countries which are comparable to us in standard of living, culture, etc. and not Rwanda. I've heard that the U.K. has been having a crime problem the last decade or so, but I don't have any numbers to back that up, and it's only one nation anyway. Interesting question.

#104 Matt:
Great - thanks!

dT,

The question of need is irrelevant. Since when is one's right to own something dependent on others' judgments of his need?

Comment #98 - Posted by: Nick 25/M/210 at March 24, 2009 12:52 PM

Nick, search the Stuff and Nonsense Forum, the thread's name is something like "For the military operators/LEOs." Great thread focused on the exact topic you're interested in, a first gun purchase.

Billy,

You sound like me. I have been feeling joint and tendon pain more and more, up until my surgery. Obviously it has subsided since not being able to go full-throttle and resting has become less overlooked in the past two months for me.

I also e-mailed you this a bit ago:

"Billy, I saw your post and it intrigued me. Are you warming up thoroughly? I heard OPT say "The shorter and more intense the WOD, the longer I warm-up." Also, maybe you need more variety in your diet. You say Paleo/Zone, but what is it specifically? What about fish oil?"

"I want you to enjoy crossfit for the ages. I want to enjoy it till I'm 100. Have you asked RJF about it? He hasn't missed a WOD in over 420 WODs. He doesn't have the best posted times, but not missing since July 2007 is amazing."

Also, what Ken C, julie P, Richard, Alan, and BobM have said all make sense. Listen to what's going on with your own body. I am learning a lot about recovery right now, since I'm doing the shoulder rehab. As I come back to the movements, I will be extra careful with any overhead movements, especially ones with fast repetitive movements such as "Fight Gone Bad" and "Grace".

What about Crossfit main site WODs on the 1st and 3rd days in the cycle, and technique work on the 2nd day, like Olympic Lifts? That's what I plan on doing. It should prove to be beneficial.

whoever said that you hunt with an assault rifle... its called aim buddy its not a video game. please never hunt near me. ever. and god i hope youre not in a combat profession.

#107

the question of need is everything. the constitution deemed it that people had a "need" to be able to bear arms. without that need it would have read very differently. what i am wondering is why do we not understand that the constitution has become outdated in this area. we no longer form neighborhood militias to defend our nation, or to arrest outlaws.

if you actually think about it, youll realize that:

"Since when is one's right to own something dependent on others' judgments of his need?"

--is exactly the reason you have a right to own guns in the first place. because a couple people decided you should have that right.

-im not just shouting "outlaw guns!" im just saying that the constitution is irrelevant in this area because the world has changed. and once you take a step back i think youll get that.

#100 -- makes sense on the surface "dont limit guns because criminals will be the only ones with guns then!!!!!" but its just nonsense. civilians with guns dont catch criminals, or stop them, cops with guns do. limit the weapons that are sold and the criminals wont be able to get them at walmart anymore. i like how everyone talks like theyve actually stopped a violent crime by happening because they own a gun... no you havent.

"guns dont kill people... oh wait, yes they do."

So Obama is indirectly causing price increases in ammo and guns now too? Is there no end to the evil this man can bring?

Personally, I don't see a problem with bearing arms. Although I wouldn't want my neighbour who puts aluminum foil on his windows to have them. He made me a sign at me the other day. And I didn't want Iraq to have WMDs (I mean bad Iraq after they fought the Iranians). But apart from that, I have no issue with everyone having whatever they want whenever they want. They do what they want. That's totally cool and awesome. Shoot me and I can shoot you right back if we all have guns. What's the problem? Booyakasha.

i'm totally agreed with OPT and Herm for me the WODs that in witch i have morer carefulland warm-up better are on those fast ones...you know they will take a few minutes and you EXPLOTE and perform fast and agressive moves that could hurt you so on that fast ones i do an special warm up....

talking about fast WODs i wanna see some "Fran" >=)

has anyone bought tyler hass's rings or powermax rings?? i'm considering getting them and just wanna hear some thoughts first

s'more--thanks for making my sister(s)feel welcome, gotta keep everyone strong, no way better than crossfit, keep tearing it up man. Your times have been insane lately!!! you are the man, good luck with the s'morelle!

thanks fat tony maeby is the temporal insanaty because the poor sleep but s'morelle give me a good break today..big hugs to you lil sister and your whole family

#110

--is exactly the reason you have a right to own guns in the first place. because a couple people decided you should have that right.

It's actually more than a couple of people. It was all of the ratifiers of the Constitution. And they didn't "decide" what rights you had. The *observed* the rights that belong naturally to man, and made an attempt to design a government whose main purpose was to safeguard those rights.

"im just saying that the constitution is irrelevant in this area because the world has changed. and once you take a step back i think youll get that."

A couple of points. First, please explain - how is it irrelevant? For example, perhaps one of the reasons we've not had the history of despots that Europe has is that we have an armed citizenry. Second, even if it is irrelevant, so what? The Constitution is a contract, not to be abrogated at will. If you want to change it, it has a mechanism that allows its amendment.

I have also always found it absurd to think that in the Bill of Rights, which spells out individual rights, the *second* amendment is somehow deemed a collective right.

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that whatever the police can have, so should any citizen be able to have.

#110 dT -

To my mind owning a firearm is about responsibility and choice.

I own a legally purchased and registered 9mm Beretta. I train in the martial arts. I don’t do so to “catch criminals.” I do this TO BE ABLE to defend myself and loved ones in the event I need to. It does not mean I won’t be calling the police if I witness a crime. They are professionals; it’s their job to work in those situations.

I have chosen to be able to defend myself - with or without a firearm - should the need arise. The Constitution says that right “shall not be infringed.”

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentii

If you “limit the weapons that are sold” by passing laws that do so, you will only divert the market for weapons underground, into a black (as in not regulated by the state) market. History has shown this in numerous ways - prohibition for instance.

Also, look at what happened in the UK following a ban on handgun ownership:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/uk_news/1440764.stm

You say the Constitution is irrelevant regarding firearm ownership because “the world has changed.” Yes, the world has changed much since 1787 (when the Constitution was ratified) but human nature remains the same.

Until that happens, I refuse to completely defer the responsibility for my personal safety to someone with a 3-5 minute average response time. (Not picking on the LEO community here, just being realistic.)

dt

We have the right to bear because we have the right to alter and abolish a destructive government:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

The simple fact of the matter is eventually every government gets abusive eventually. Rome abused Christians, the French monarchy abused it's people, the English abused it's colonies (that's where the USA came from). The English abused the Irish, the Nazis abused the Jews (as as well as others), the Soviets abused several groups.

Some of these abused groups were able to rise up and end their oppression, others were not. Most of the groups that were not able to rise up and end their oppression were oppressed systematically, taking away the ability for these groups to end their oppression. The first step in subjugating a population is to take away their ability to defend themselves.

Civilians need military grade weapons because the military has those weapons. If a group does not have the ability to stand up to it's government they arn't citizens they are subjects.

I'll be honest: I'm not comfortable with the idea that other civilians to carry so much power as to end my life in a manner in which I am powerless to prevent it... aside from lowering myself to their level(and even that isn't very effective... at which point the first person to strike is the one that wins).

Simply put, I do not want any average Joe to be able to become my prosecutioner, judge, jury and executioner at his heart's desire.

I solemnly believe that the judiciary system is there for a reason, and the people who want to keep their guns in case they ever have to go toe to toe with a swat unit are (excuse the ad-hom) nutjobs that shouldn't be allowed to have guns in the first place (you want to have a gun in case you disagree with the representatives of the rest of humanity as to whether or not you should be put on public trial fully knowing that you will ultimately be put on trial, just to kill as many messengers as you can before you get what is coming to you? Get bent...)...

I do, however, understand that in some parts of the USA, hunting is a means of providing your family with food. So I cannot bring myself to support the ban of all weapons. Just ones with no practical use.

The effect outlined in the article is not very surprising - it only highlights this country's addiction to what I effectively consider power. I'm sure ecstasy sales went up just before that drug got became illegal too. People want one last cheap thrill before they can no longer obtain it.

I would confiscate all the assault weapons that were sold. I never understood why grandfathering was ever allowed. What are you going to hunt with an AK? IRS agents?

First uncensored post on crossfit?

#113 brian
i got Tyler Hass rings as soon as i started crossfit,best training equipment i've bought.take them with me on holiday and anytime i'm not sure there's a gym about,essential for crossfit.

Warm-up:
200-meter run
10 air squats
10 push-ups
10 pull-ups
25 SDLHP
20 lunges (10 each leg)
10 overhead squats w/45 lb bar

WOD:
10 Rounds for time:

10 reps of 85lb squat clean
10 push-ups

22:00

Weakling,

See above comment #118. 2nd amendment not for hunting. 2nd amendment not for ordinary situations. Hopefully we all get to live our lives in an ordinary situation.

#120 pedro
thanks, i just went ahead and ordered them, i'm pretty excited.. how long does shipping take? do u know? (i live in ohio)

Fat tony's lil sister- hey girl welcome! We need more women here.. :) I love Peru! I was there last year for 2 weeks, I backpacked the Inca Trail- was exhilarating. Went to Macchu Picchu, climbed Wayna Picchu, did yoga at the 7 temples on the trail, skinny dipped in Aguas Calientes!; your legs are ready for crossfittin' from all the hills that country has :) Good luck!

in8girl - thanks for noticing my numbers. :) sometimes I wonder if anybody reads what I write LOL Yeah, BrandX scaling called for 20# for pack level, i mistakenly did 30# DB thrusters (porch level). Its funny, I was gonna take a 25# DB but I was in a challenge with my arch-enemy Allie and had to be honest and stayed with the 30#er cuz thats what I told him I was going to do. Later I realized I did 10# more than I needed to... hmmm, maybe I will be moving up to Porch sooner rather than later.. :)

Yeah, tuna salad stinks! You know whats good? Take a bag of broccoli slaw, divide it in two containers, split a 6 oz.can of tuna tween the two, cut up a cup of grapes- literally cut them in half over the containers so juice goes in them, helps keep tuna moist, and then add 1TBS amount of viniagrette salad dressing into both. Shake em up real good... perfect 3 block meal. Grapes add nice sweetness, brock slaw good crunch and more filling than just plain ole celery.

Have loads more recipes/ideas..try egg salad with avocado 'stead of mayo, yum! lemme know

FitMom'sMom, thanks for your support :) I have been dreaming of my B&B for years.. my daughter came up with name 'The Black Bat Inn', we love Halloween, and she has a pumpkin carving business (at 12! she sells very intricate hand carved jack o'lanterns for $20)Black Bat Creations, she wants to sell holiday items with a Halloween theme, we are going to make Easter chocolates- screw them bunnies, we make spiders and mummies! LOL Im a nut I know... Special discount rates will apply for main site regulars ;)

Awesome video.

#119 – Weakling “So I cannot bring myself to support the ban of all weapons. Just ones with no practical use… I would confiscate all the assault weapons that were sold. I never understood why grandfathering was ever allowed. What are you going to hunt with an AK? IRS agents?”

Before you go confiscating the millions of lawfully owned “assault weapons” (aka evil black rifles), please answer the following questions? Have you fired a ‘so-called’ assault weapon? Could you explain how it differs from a hunting rifle in performance, effectiveness, or features? Perhaps you could define “practical use?” Is target shooting a practical use? Does the United States Practical Shooting Association promote practical uses? If “assault weapons” have no ‘practical use’ other than “hunting IRS agents”, why does the AR-15, the most common ‘assault weapon’ in the US, dominate rifle competitions all over the United States? (Hint: it’s not because it sprays bullets in every direction). Weakling, it seems like you have an irrational fear of firearms that doesn’t extend to other inanimate but deadly objects (cars, knives, matches, etc.). I’m sure there are many rifle/pistol instructors who’d be willing to take you out and show you the ropes in a safe environment. Heck, if you’re in my area (South Florida) let me know and I’ll volunteer.

Burn in hell lovelle mixon.

#122 - Mike, with all due respect - guns haven't been an effective way to deter (let alone "method to abolish") an abusive government since the day that the Confederates decided to put metal on the sides of the virginia.

Practice has shown that a bottle with flammable liquid and lit sock attached to it does a better job at that than a gun. This tactic was used rather successfully by Soviet soldiers to impede on the progress of the Germans in WWII.

For extraordinary situations, I would, personally, suggest boarding a plane over picking up a gun.

Like it or not, the days when civilians in fact needed or had use for military grade weapons died with muskets.

Nowadays, the true definition of "military-grade" means nuclear weapons (because, you know, if you piss the government off enough, they can just nuke your house and be rid of you... and your AK will do absolutely nothing...). And I'm sorry, but that is just a horrifying thought...

A Covenant not to defend myself from force, by force, is always void. For no man can transfer, or lay down his Right to save himself from Death.

The Obligation of Subjects [the people] to the Sovereign [Republic] is understood to last as long, and no longer, than the power lasts, by which he is able to protect them. For the right men have by Nature to protect themsleves, when none else can protect them , can by no Covenant be relinquished.

-Thomas Hobbes "Leviathan"

Squat Cleans up to 205x1 *pr

bw - 145

#69 John in Jersey

Too funny. I've just started to read "Molon Labe" by Boston T. Party, which is a book about the last stand of gun owners in Wyoming in 2020.

Don't suppose you know it?

And, I'm with R. Brent Mattis on the issue of assault rifles. they're useful for all sorts of things from sport competitions to killing animals and people.

we have our firearms to keep ourselves safe from criminals, to keep our communities safe from attack or invasion, and to keep our government respectful of the people. it's a nice quiet system. the more effective and plentiful the weapons in the hands of the decent citizens, the quieter everything remains.

The day I see so much as a video of someone kill someone else with a match from the other side of a room without the room previously being filled with gasoline or some other kind of trap of the sort, I will consider your argument valid. However, my argument was based on the sheer efficiency of deadliness of firearms, and the defensiveness of victims to them. If someone comes at me with a knife, I have several options such as try to knock the knife away in close combat, try to dodge the attacks, or (more likely really... because I just dont feel like being stabbed anytime soon unless its for a really good cause) just turn around and outrun the guy. Not so with a gun! Running most certainly wont work... unless its the first time the individual has ever shot a gun... and odds are I wont be able to get close enough to the guy to be able to disable the weapon before I get close enough to where he stops missing. My only solutions are to try to hide behind something and pray or hide behind something and try to shoot back, in which case first person to hit wins, so to say - a scenario which I just don't like my odds in no matter how much training I go through.

As far as what the difference between a hunting rifle and an AK - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVGmSzV00-Y

And come on - do you really need an AK to fire at targets? Or is some sort of less lethal alternative?

#119

"I'll be honest: I'm not comfortable with the idea that other civilians to carry so much power as to end my life in a manner in which I am powerless to prevent it."

Then you should probably just stop going outside altogether. A conservative estimate is that 40% of US households have at least one gun.

So, my question, for people who like the Heller decision:

Why do you believe that child pornographers should be allowed to possess guns while waiting for trial?

my rest day turned into a rough one. I tried my first CFE WOD today:
CREWU scaled: run 1/4 mi slow, hop/skip/whatever to loosen up on the treadmill, then three sprints

CFE - Run 30min, distance 3.42 mi with treadmill on random program. I was draggin' today.
...
oh, and i don't own a gun. unless you count my BB gun. : )

later,
b
m/32/5'8-1/2"/177

several things before we go back to being athletes.

on the particle side
#128

When and if the government must be overthrown small arms (what ever they have evolved into at that point) will be useful. As any of the military folks on the forum could attest the best way to retake a country from a government is by having a well planned attack that moves quickly, and is coordinated for maximum effectiveness with minimal bloodshed. The goal would be to overthrow with minimal resistance. Odds are good that if there were serious infringement of rights, some military personnel would be on the side of the revolt, allowing it to come from within. Also that way a financial adviser / economist isn't planning these things.

on the philosophical side of things
#129 Michael F
Great use of Hobbs

Comment #132 - Posted by: Weakling
"As far as what the difference between a hunting rifle and an AK "

You posted a link showing the effectiveness of an AK, all rifles, are quite effective. You still didn't explain why it is more deadly or dangerous than a hunting rifle.

Perhaps officer pyle will explain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30

Comment #134 Milan
"Why do you believe that child pornographers should be allowed to possess guns while waiting for trial?"

The same reason we allow racists to print hateful words and criminals to gain the benefit of the 4th amendment in trial. The constitution protects the rights of everyone, even people we don't like and disagree with passionately.

In your specific example, ANYONE awaiting trial is considered innocent until proven guilty. If the judge is convinced the potential criminal represents a danger to society, he or she can be held without bail, in which case their right to own guns is forfeit. If the person doesn't represent a danger to society, please explain why their second amendment rights (remember, the rights on par with freedom of speech, religion, and assembly) should be infringed.

I hope I made that idea clear.

strong lil pony--

ha! I got a couple more girls for you. I recruited both my little sisters (fat tony's sis and fat tony's little sister) this last weekend when I drove down and visited them. They both did their first wods today, hopefully they love it like we all do, keep up the hard work, that is awesome you are seeing progress, nothing more satisfying!

Have I missed something, or are there a significant number of CrossFitters that are actually building an OPLAN for overthrowing the gov't? I realize this is a generally right leaning crowd, but geez.

I am a military officer and have a hard time coming up with plausible and probable (not possible, probable) scenarios in which I would be involved in an overthrow of the gov't. Sure, there are any number of Orwellian-types of scenarios that could lead to an insurrection type of mov't.....but with our current political system (which aside from the rise of special interests) has been unchanged for over 200 years? I don't see it happening. Invasive across our borders (not referring to the illegal aliens coming for work) requiring us to set up fighting positions on the beach? Again, don't see that scenario either. I guess I am naive.

Maybe there is some sort of scenario 200 years from now that these scenarios might occur - sort of like Red Dawn with Patrick Swayze.

Personal protection? I will give on this one, although it is only in rare cases that someone actually guns down the assailant. It happens, but it is rare. My dad wasn't able to. He had to chose between going for a gun in the closet and saving my mom. He elected to save my mom and the gun in the closet was irrelevant while they escaped out the window when the a-holes were ransacking the other rooms looking for wall safe that didn't exist. I suppose that if we all went around with concealed or unconcealed side arms, that might provide instantaneous protection, but I don't think we can go down the OK Corral path for our entire society.

Before I get painted with all sorts of labels, I am active duty in the military, 3 tours in Iraq, and a gun owner (M-1911).

#137:
I was just curious when I asked the question. It's good to know you support gun rights for child pornographers. Sorry..."accused" child pornographers.

Sometimes I forget we're back to being a nation of laws, rather than the abomination we were under the previous administration.

What the article shows is the so-called surge in gun registrations is a blip. That, or the typical

Me: 42yo/M/5’10”/175lbs/10%BF

That’s how I began yesterdays rest day question to all of you good crossfitters across the globe. My question was on periodization and how crossfitters have dealt with overtraining / under-recovering. The response was amazing, a huge thanks to everyone who gave me advice on what to look for and how to go about training smarter. I was overwhelmed by the number of people who took the time to write me personally, thank you all very, very much, I am humbled at the generosity of this community, you are the best. I am attending the next science of exercise certification seminar in Texas where I will ask the same question to the exercise gurus. I will attempt to distil their advice into a bit size chunk and I will then post it and send it to everyone who was kind enough to give me their advice today. Thanks again, you are the best ☺

Have Fun, Train hard,

Billy

To address one part of the gun violence issue:

There must be some method which would prevent spree-killers from using easy-to-function high-capacity firearms to kill a bunch of folks, and the idea that victims should have been carrying firearms to defend themselves just won't work.

Kids in high schools cannot be armed to defend themselves from an armed attack, neither can everyone shopping in a mall, going to college, etc.

If we assume more people carried handguns, and the spree-killer has a shoulder fired weapon, the hand gunner is at a severe disadvantage (not insurmountable, but rough). Also, since a determined freak-show with initiative and momentum can sometimes overcome even hightly-trained armed people (police) in a fight, it is a bit unrealistic for the weekend-range-shooting armed citizen to be an effective (or the only) deterrent to a spree-killer.

I am for responsible gun ownership. How about if the massive number of folks who are concerned about losing thier right to own firearms focus on coming up with solutions to this problem...might eliminate the primary concern of the anti-gun movement.

On occasion firearms owners may feel that confronting the issue of the misuse of firearms is someone else's problem. Perhaps the default is that the goverment should figure out how to keep guns out of the wrong hands. Well, the government may move to severely limit private firearms ownership to try to deal with it...

One only needs to be charged once by a Grizzly whilst carrying a handgun to realize that all the gun range time in the world does not prepare one for the heat of the moment.

How many of your fellow citizens would you trust under fire in a crowded mall?

58/M/195 - CFWU, deadlift warmup; 10x135, 5x225, 1x295
- deadlift 5-3-3-1-1-1-1; 305PR, 310, 315, 325, 335, 345PR, 350PR
Thanks again, Coach Martin and Coach Glassman

s'more--
gracias por su bienvenida! estoy feliz estar aqui...bueno, espero tener una buena experiencia! AYUDAME!!!! si yo sepa que alguien me esta esperando, hare mejor.
cuidese!

strong lil pony-- well, i sure didn't get to know Peru like you did...but, i want to go back someday and get to know all those places and crossfit will hopefully help me get there!
take care

EPC

Don't worry, not planning on taking Washington any time soon, or seceding from the union, or shooting up a government building. You are right, it would take serious Orwellian-type scenarios to cause a govt overthrow. The beauty of our system is that every 2 years we get to have a major vote to change things. Do I like the way things are going right now, no, in my opnion the government isn't doing capitalism any favors, but for every socialist measure that the government come up with to seize more power, there are an army of accountants, economists, and financial gurus to solve the puzzle.

Front squats tomorrow, i'm pumped

Baseline:

50 SDHP
40 SQUAT
30 SITUPS
20 PUSH UPS
10 PULL UPS

For time: 3:33

3/23/09
WOD
"fight gone bad"
box jumps
push press
DB(swings)
thrusters
line jumps
193-180-188
best score:180

Weakling,

You have picked a very good nome de plume. Your arguments are all about how hard it is to defend yourself, and it just won't work, so why try. This is the stance of the pussy. If the crap should ever hit the fan, I would not expect you to contribute anything but reasons why the things that the men (and empowered women) in the group are doing, can't work. No doubt you were telling everyone in 2006 why the war in Iraq was unwinnable.

No one is talking about overthrowing the government. We are, in fact, arguing in support of our government. I really, really don't like Obama, but that does not cause me to reject the system. In point of fact, I am USING the system to argue that the laws in place are useful and worth protecting.

As far as civil disorder, the situation is simple. We have between hundreds and thousands of dedicated militants working to commit acts of mass murder in the United States. Because Bush succeeded in preventing further 9/11's, people have forgotten what these radicals have not: we are the dominant superpower, still, in the world, and we are the de facto guarantors of peace. North Korea has to fear us. Iran has to fear us. Al Queda, wherever it may take root, has to fear us.

Why is it implausible that they could hit New York or Washington, or Chicago with a nuke? Or a successful bioterror attack? A great many of our National Guard units--our militias--have been called up and deployed overseas.

Who does the job of the police when the police can't be everywhere? In theory, every citizen of the United States is equal, under law, to every other. This means we are all responsible for the maintenance of order. Yes, some people are dedicated law enforcement agents, but you see WE RULE OURSELVES. Democracy is rule of the people, BY the people, for the people.

Given this, EVERY citizen should be in principle and actuality a microcosm of the whole. This includes the capacity for self defense.

Here are some statistics, taken from here: http://www.dailyreckoning.com/bias-against-guns/

"In U.S. states forbidding concealed-carry (meaning states that don’t allow law-abiding citizens to pack heat without restriction):

** There are 89% more violent crimes than in states that permit concealed carry
** There are 127% more murders than in states that permit concealed carry
** There are 25% more rapes than in states that permit concealed carry
** There are 96% more aggravated assaults than in states that permit concealed carry
** There are 106% more robberies than in states that permit concealed carry.

Put another way, the argument in defense of unlimited concealed carry looks like this: In the seven-year period following the adoption of unrestricted (or virtually so) concealed-carry handgun laws, affects U.S. states saw an average…

** 27% reduction in violent crime
** 31% reduction in murders
** 16% reduction in robberies
** 26% reduction in aggravated assault
** 16% reduction in robberies"

Sheamus talks about an accident involving a dropped gun. The simple fact is that many guns have protective mechanisms designed to prevent precisely that scenario, such as dual triggers and of course safeties.

Moreover, every time you talk about an accident, you have also to reference the statistics about drops in crime. For every person shot illegally, a crime somewhere is prevented from happening by the fear of the criminal that the person they are contemplating victimizing might be armed.

In my own view, the problem in the ghettoes is that only the criminals have guns. I literally think crime rates could be reduced substantially by GIVING guns to people who have a demonstrated history of not breaking the law, and by altering the laws to make legal defense of self defense shootings easier. This need not lead to vigilantism, but even if it did, I think it needs to be pointed out that we have many places in this country--like Detroit, South Central LA, and South Chicago--where we have de facto war zones, that are unfit for any sane human being, and in which ordinary, decent people are trapped. That is a horror in itself, and continuing the policies--to be clear, the DEMOCRAT'S policies--that created this situation is unconscionable.

I've read a few of the comments, and even though I sincerely appreciate their service to society, I depend upon myself to defend my home in addition to calling the police. Either I have a firearm to protect my wife and myself or I have some other means (mace, knives, fire extinguisher, etc), but it's my responsibility. Notice I don't include property because items can be replaced, but my wife, my soon-to-be in this world son, nor myself can.

And no, assault weapons and other high velocity firearms are a very bad idea for home defense. They will shoot through someone, go through your home's wall and will enter someone else's home or car. Shotgun or low-velocity handgun, like a .45 (185 grain) are your best options.

I think the principle with respect to assault rifles is simply this: by what basis are they banned? The potential for their abuse? Most of our worst mass murders were committed with handguns.

The lack of a need for them? Well, if self defense is the criteria, they are clearly of use in times of civil instability, if not home defense. That's why the military uses them.

We have to be clear: with these weapons comes the need for responsibility, so in my view things like licensing of new weapons is not a bad thing. They should not be sold to people who are convicted felons, or clearly mentally unstable.

The guy that did the Virginia Tech shootings, for example, should not have been able to buy those guns.

Some restrictions are not a bad thing, but they need to apply to people that have SHOWN a reason for us to mistrust them. Normal, law abiding citizens, should be able to own what they want.

And in point of fact, since several people mentioned the shooting in LA, that guy was, if I'm not mistaken, a convicted felon, which meant that his possession of a gun was ALREADY illegal.

The statistics are clear: as gun ownership goes up, crime goes down. There are apparently many parts of rural America where everybody carries a gun everywhere. Nobody shoots anybody, and anybody that wanted to commit a crime would find it hard to get away with it.

I will add, too, that the importance of gun ownership has not diminished since the Constitution was written. Then, as now, they feared civil unrest and criminality. Homesteaders had to defend against Indians, and criminals. We had anti-Irish, and anti-Semitic riots. Life then, as now, was potentially dangerous, even if not always manifestly so.

Guns, as the most efficient means of self protection were understood then--as we understand now--to be essential for a free people involved in the project and experiment of self governance.

Off topic, but did you all see that Michael Jackson converted to Islam: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023592.php

I missed it. Of course, I consume little mainstream news. I tend to think of history books as much more useful than newspapers or magazines, which provide needed context between seldom and never.

You are allowed, of course, to marry girls as young as nine in Islam, after the example of the Prophet. And since you are allowed four wives, perhaps he can get from Islam what he couldn't get legally here.

Add to that the acceptance within Sharia of slavery, and his money might just buy him everything he wants.

Barry: I find it amusing that you cite anti-Irish and anti-Semitic riots - suggesting that these cultures are worth defending - and then snidely reference Islam in a context that you appear to admit has little actual relevance. I'm not defending the barbaric practices carried out in the name of religion, but I do think comparing your two comments is somewhat telling.

Neil, I've been a rugby player for 19 years and played on US territorial select sides in my later years. If I had known what CrossFit could do for me then as I do now, I have no idea where my game could have gone.

I concur: I think the #7 is one of the toughest athletic positions to fullfil in all of sport. Second maybe to Lance Armstrong working the Pyranees ahead of the peloton, I am not sure a more rigorous, sustained work rate position and sport exists (except the blindside flanker #6). For the physical contact and cardio, I offer that a lacrosse midfielder may approach the same workrate, but as in hockey, they can substitute off the field/ice to recover momentarily.

It's a fun argument and one that can be fought for years without any resolution. As an old rugger, I push myself now through CrossFit, dream about what coulda/shoulda abck in the day, and wonder aloud how many national-level players train in this format to achieve the success they enjoy.

All the best,

Tates

Nick,

If we were to have an anti-Muslim riot, would Muslims not be better off with guns? What is the problem exactly? What is "telling"?

In my view, Muslims need to reevaluate their own religion, keep what is genuinely good, and discard what is corrupt and evil. As in the Common Law tradition you have mentioned before, this can be done without rejecting the past--or in this case the Koran.

It can be done through an ijtihad conducted through an understanding of the manifold goods that political liberalism brings, which enables new understandings of sacred texts, and a renewed focus on the genuinely enlightened parts of the Koran.

To be clear, I am not arguing that SOME Americans should be able to own guns. ALL of them who have shown the desire to submit themselves legally first and foremost to our Constitution should be able to own guns.

If you are calling for the subversion of our Constitution, then obviously you should NOT be allowed to own a gun. You should, in fact, be jailed or deported. Innocent until proven guilty though. If guilty, however, then consequences.

This is called justice in most parts of the world, although the notion of punishing the guilty for being guilty appears to be incomprehensible to some parts of our political spectrum, unless the crime is a thought crime.

I've been in martial arts for over 35 years and am certified to teach in a number of styles. I appreciate the ovbious warrior spirit you displayed in this video. Thank you Grand Master Reeder

Tangential, but since we are talking about coercive, abusive central government, this link is worth reading: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/23233/

It's a Glenn Beck interview with a British member of the EU parliament, commenting on their autocratic tendencies, and the fact that Britain appears close to bankrupcy.

Couple quotes: "why should I hand over more money and tax so that the government can give it to the banks, so that the banks can lend it back to me, if I'm lucky, for interest, you know?"

"The role of a conservative thinker is to reassure the people that their prejudices are true." I'll my own note on that, that that role is only necessary in a condition in which the propaganda foisted on our children in the educational system is effective in undermining all the ideas which have worked historically.

"Public opinion is seen in the EU as an obstacle to overcome, not as a reason to change direction. If you think that sounds extreme, you think I'm exaggerating when I say that, look at how they reacted to these no votes. You know, they have got this Constitution to give themselves more power to take more power away from the national capitals and it was put to a referendum and people kept voting no. France voted no, Holland voted no, Ireland voted no and the reaction in Brussels was, yeah, they didn't really mean that. They were voting on something else. They misunderstood the question. So let's just go ahead and implement it anyway. It's like that scary poem which ends with the lines, wouldn't it be easier to dissolve the people and elect another in their place. I mean, that could be the that's the slogan of the EU."

I apologize for this, but here's another I wanted to pass along. Hopefully Kyle won't kick my ass:
http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2009/03/23/daily40.html?ana=e_du_pap

"The total of those guarantee commitments eased 1.4 percent in February to $1.82 trillion. Adding that to Freddie’s retained portfolio, the company’s total of loans owned or guaranteed increased 3 percent during the month to $2.2 trillion."

I want this to be clear: the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT holds the mortgages to, or has guaranteed (is liable for) 2.2 TRILLION in home loans.

How did we get to this point? Does something not have to change to keep the Government from running every last aspect of our lives?

In my view, what needs to happen is Republicans have to start being Conservatives again. Not Democrats who tax a little less. Conservatives. Fiscal Conservatives. Political Conservatives, who believe that government is best which governs least.

Now, the concern is always: can we get elected on this platform? My response is: who cares? The simple fact of the matter is that we already have a Democratic Party. They are acting precisely the way we expect them to. They are spending much too much, getting the Government involved in far too many things (making Jefferson roll in his grave), and conducting a foreign policy that is between inept and overtly counter-productive. That's what they do.

But Republicans haven't been much better. We have to stick to our principles, and if we can't get elected, and country goes to hell, at least we didn't contribute to it.

And, in my honest opinion, Republicans who stick to their principles CAN get elected. It's Republicans who look, smell, and quack like Democrats who create the trouble.

We need to start sounding more like Barry Goldwater. Again, maybe that will scare a lot of people, but--perhaps naively--I believe that ordinary Americans will have seen enough of Democratic policies by the end of Obama's term that they will be ready for a REAL change.

Note: this is not a desire for Obama to fail. It is a PREDICTION he will fail. It would be wonderful if he could pull off all he promises. Truly. If he could make everything better, make us wealthier, happier, and more secure, that would be great. It would be wonderful if I could fly, and breathe underwater, too. I just don't expect it to happen.

So there is no need to root for the demise of his policies, merely to have an action plan. It appears likely to me that we will soon be teetering on the edge of bankrupcy, even if his soft-headed foreign policy doesn't create a security loophole that is successfully exploited. In that case, I'm not sure it's the edge we will be looking at.

I say this over and over, but there are cause and effect relationships in this world. You can study history as a laboratory of what works and what doesn't. Even economics responds to this analysis.

And on that basis, we are going in exactly the wrong direction. Remember this when the hens come home to roost in a few years. And if they don't, then thank God I was wrong. In this case, I would LOVE to be wrong. Honestly.

#119 Weakling

>>I'll be honest: I'm not comfortable with the idea that other civilians to carry so much power as to end my life in a manner in which I am powerless to prevent it... aside from lowering myself to their level(and even that isn't very effective... at which point the first person to strike is the one that wins).

Truth be told, nothing would make me feel safer or more secure than knowing that everyone around me had a firearm. This is because I know that the people who might actually decide to injure of kill me are rare, on the order of .01% of the people I see regularly. So, for example, if one of my coworkers decided to go ballistic and shoot the place up, he'd be facing thirty armed individuals, instead of (as is generally the case) a room full of screaming targets. It just makes sense.

22 / M / 5'9" / 135lb

Did the Death By Pull-up WOD today

Scaled to 12lb weighed
Only made it 8 rounds because of a bum elbow
39:30, about 45 sets

My time would have been better than last time, but my sets would have been worse. I've been having trouble with pull-ups because I gained 10 pounds.

5 minutes of core work
20 minute hill work on bike
15 minutes on C2 - 400m drills, then remainder @16 spm ~2:00/500m

Yay for Rest Day, best day of the week.