No rest for the wicked. I'll do some drills on my new rings.

yeah

I have a question about the variation in recent workouts. When I started CrossFitting almost a year ago (May 20 is my anniversary) it seemed like there was a lot more variation in the workouts than there has been recently. Let me explain that a little more. I'm mainly referring to workouts that are not in CrossFit's collection of named workouts, ME workouts, or others that come up frequently like 30 muscle-ups for time, run 5k, etc. For lack of a better term, I'll refer to these as "novel workouts" since we either don't see them twice, or are very infrequent. To get some concrete information, I went back and counted the number of novel workouts in some months. Here are some numbers:

Month # of Novel Workouts
June 2007 | 6
July 2007 | 7

Jan. 2008 | 3
Feb. 2008 | 4
Mar. 2008 | 2

So there has definitely been a decrease as of late. I can't help but wonder if this change is departing somewhat from CrossFit's stated mantra of "constantly varied" workouts. It just seems like I'm getting used to doing the same named workouts (Fran, Michael, Cindy, etc...) over and over again. But I never tire of a novel workout. The anticipation, the not knowing how it will feel...how your body will respond is a big part of the appeal of CrossFit. Now don't get me wrong, I really enjoy seeing a benchmark workout that shows concrete evidence of the huge fitness improvements I've been experiencing. But lately it seems like every day is a benchmark day. Another example is that we just did a 3-day sequence of ME deadlift, Cindy, Michael. Back on Jan. 7 we did ME front squat, Cindy, Michael. These sequences seem like they're beginning to be too familiar.

Now, I'm not trying to needlessly complain or be ungrateful for the people who are generous enough to make the CrossFit prescription freely available on the internet. I'm perfectly capable of creating my own novel workouts and doing them instead, but I like the community comparisons. I like the thought that someone who has more fitness experience than me is tailoring workouts with a plan in mind and not just pulling a workout from a pre-made list and throwing it up on the site. I'm just bringing this up in the spirit of constructive discussion about workout variation, so please don't give me the "suck it up, or leave" line. If the workout-makers have intentionally chosen this for a specific purpose, I'd love to hear what it is. If they've just been abnormally busy lately and haven't had the time to come up with more novelty, that's fine too. I just hate to see what I perceive as a loss of the hopper-style novelty that I love about CrossFit and has been stated to be one of the core elements of the fitness we pursue. Comments? Thoughts? Am I just too nitpicky?

P.S. You could argue that the stimulus is still constantly varied enough that our bodies won't adapt to it. And I would probably agree with you. But I think it's still clear that lately it hasn't been as varied as it used to be.

When was today's picture taken?! Are there CrossFitters in the SC upstate?! If so, email me...I am in Greenville, SC for the summer, and a friend and I are the only ones we know of that do any sort of CrossFit here.

Well put Alison. Looking forward to rest day.

Nice Video Allison! great job, keep it up!
I have been doing Crossfit for 4 months now, and cant beleive how i have changed in such a short amount of time.....now i hope to maintain this as a lifestyle.

Ok, So first off, after watching this video I now have a whole different perspective on Allison. I'm not going to lie at first I was a little opinionated about her, but this video shows her in a differnt light. Just want to say sorry to her and that she is definetly right about showing off what crossfit has done for so many people! I know that I like seeing hot boys on the site and idolizing sexy women as well! Also it is good to see people like Allison who have such a passion for what they do. Keep up the hard work!!

MB, you aren't the only one who has noticed that.
I was getting a little bored with them too and it was one of the reasons I moved to Coach B's site for a bit. I'm getting back into it slowly but so far have made my own "novel" wod's based on stuff I suck at. Today was a tabata mash up of double unders and wall balls after my olympic lifting workout.
Nice video by the way. Admittedly I was one who had said enough of AllisonNYC already to myself but I liked how she came across today.

Rock on CaliAllie!

I agree

"A fit human body is a beautiful thing"

or as my Ma used to say "a thing of beauty and a joy forever"

rest days suck. will work on cleans. 17:21 Michael today... felt slow.

"We all look like we are supposed to look when we are at our strongest. Because of Crossfit."

I think I got that right. I liked that line. That's rich. Allison, you are a joy.

I was on the winning team in the over 200 lb class of the mud run back in 1985. The Sea Cows! Hoo yah!

Hard to know quite what to do with that website, but I will put forward my own view of pornography.

There is a fundamental tension at times between what in principle should be allowed, and what arguably is in the interest of furthering the emotional and spiritual growth of our nation.

My opinion is that pornography should be legal, including so-called torture porn. I just don't think anyone should watch it. It's one thing to say I believe consuming these things--particularly obsessively as many people do--is unhealthy. It's quite another to declare they should be illegal.

Yet, I often see an analogue to the defenses offered by people who manifestly do not have the interests of our nation in mind to the accusation they lack patriotism. They focus not on the content of the charge, but on their right to make it.

Likewise with pornography. They focus on their civil rights--which in this case may have been unjustly curtailed--but not on the overarching moral question of what good they are working to accomplish.

I watched a minute of the dance scene. He keeps saying "pleasures of the flesh". You know what? No pleasure of the flesh equals the pleasures of emotional tranquility, and an earned pride in your own character and what you have accomplished. None of them.

There is a difference between quality and quantity in one's sexual life. Sex with someone you love is a very different experience than sex with some babe you met in the bar tonight. I've done both many times, and I'm speaking from experience.

What pornography does, in my view, is poison the nature of the relationship between the sexes such that things are physical first, and the emotional and spiritual connection, if it develops at all, only develops much later, in far too many cases.

I have seen marriages broken up over addictions to pornography, and frankly I see few positive values in it. Every once in a while I'll go look at Playboy or something, but rarely, and I know perfectly well that is very tame by internet standards. I just don't like what watching those films does to me.

It goes deeper than this, but that's all I have time for tonight. I'm not a prude, not particularly religious, and really just speaking from a perspective oriented around what works to create the sort of profound happiness and security we all want, and what doesn't. I don't think porn works. It's that simple. It's a pragmatic position.

Maybe interview some other women for a change. Nothing against Allison, just makes sense to have some variety.

porn is to sex as television is to Crossfit

33 m 193#

Bastardized Amundson/CFWU x 3

I'm still trying to fulfil my new year's resolution of doing all the named workouts this year, as rx. So, last night, I did Josh:

As rx: 11:50

However, I don't think the time is very accurate because the Taliban decided to lob some rockets at KAF last night and I spent 45 minutes in the middle of the last round in a bunker. I stopped my clock before bugging out and then went back to finish the workout but with the long rest, I think I hammered out the last few a little quicker than I would have. At least I finished.

Also, the internet filters here won't let me open today's article (because of the word "porn"). Could somebody email it to me or something?

I normally point out AllisonNYC/AllieCali to my female friends who think that they couldn't do crossfit or are afraid tro try it. If nothing else it ALWAYS wins my arguement that anyone can learn this from any level if they continue their education they can do things they didn't think were possible. She is also a great example to point out to my female friends who think that crossfit will make them look like a man. I just go to a video of Allison and say, "See you can lift weights and still have sweet chesticles." I'm not sure if that line does more harm than good, but it always ends the arguement.

I concur with the use of novel workouts, Ive been doing Crossfit for over a year, Of which I have just returned from Iraq. I used Crossfit to better myself for Iraq and I used Crossfit to get my troops in shape for the harsh weather a pace of combat. I have never felt better with a workout program than I have with Crossfit, but it has been a bit flat lately. Some one here once posted a link to Navy Seal Crossfit WODS I'm here to tell you its a whole new level of pain and fitness if you can make it through. With that I say Crossfit is the best program that is out there bar-none Its really what you make out of it.

Why the article, "defend our porn?" Porn is perverted and disgusting! It is very destructive to the family. Does Crossfit support this kind of trash? I thought Crossfit was about fitness, and not lewdness. If this is something Crossfit supports, then they can go to hell. I will no longer support them!

Anyone willing to help judge the CFT at the East Coast Challenge? If so, send me an e-mail. Thanks.

Nothing like getting the point across by dropping the F bomb in as many ways as possible. Hey, who cares if you sound like trailer trash right?

I got my first muscle up today! I am very happy. Woohooo yaaaaahhh!!!
I found that starting at full arm extension then pull hard while kipping was my ticket. I have been practicing the transition but did not focus on everything else.

There will be many people that bitch about today's rest day topic, some of my friends among them. Let me be the first today to say that I am proud to be associated with CrossFit, for many reasons that have nothing to do with exercise. Contrary to what I have said before, the only thing in life more important that strength is Liberty.

Mark Rippetoe

So many times we want an excuse for personal license with no repercussions or accountability. We want our cake and eat it, too. Where do we draw the line regarding pornography? How much is over-the-top?

Defending pornography is not the same as defending freedom because true freedom comes from responsibility and respect for others. There is no correlation between pornography (that which is designed to cause lust) and art. Freedom of speech is designed to bring to alarm abuse by the Government, not to showcase a Crucifix in urine.

If an act depicted in pornography is against the law, then those who perpetrate that must be held accountable, in their depiction, for violating the law. How can we justify freedom when we refuse to pay the cost regarding responsibility and accountability?

I want the freedom to go 100 mph in a 55 mph zone without the repercussions of a ticket, but that doesn't mean I'm not deserving of it.

Does the government have nothing better to do than prosecute pornographers, like maybe prosecute murderers, sexual predators, or look for a solution to the overcrowded prison system. Instead, they use up court time and resources to infringe on people's first amendment rights. I don't agree with the ease that minors are able to get some of this material, but let's face it, kids will always be resourceful.

On another note, the military was also contemplating banning the sale of "sexually explicit" magazines from exchange stores. According to the interpretation, this could include magazines like Maxim and FHM. We are the country's defenders and we're being treated like 8 year-old children. We fight for the country's freedom and yet we find our own individual freedoms curtailed in new ways every day. I, for one, am growing weary of this prosecution and can't watch idly in the sidelines while puritan politicians take perverse pleasure in depriving every one else of theirs.

Wow John and Silverback overreact much. It really amazes me that people can go through something as vicious as a crossfit, but are still freaked out by at nudity or think that dropping an fbomb automatically makes you sound like trailer trash.
"It is very destructive to the family" are you serous?

Intent: I'm with you! Today we got to say, "Oh my God she can speak" instead of "look at those boobs!"

The great editing and the fact that she (Allison) came across in a better light, probably deserved some main page exposure. If the intent was to bring more traffic to the affiliate blog, it's working! Usually the word "coffee" does that to my affiliate blog.

Don't make my liberal mother right! She said it was only a matter of time before the government started using the Patriot Act as a way to terrorize the American people. I'm assuming because the date in the movie was March of 2011, Stagliano's FBI scenario was fictitious?

MB:
You have a valid point (I've noticed the same thing) but you may get a better response by taking your question to the message boards.

I agree with John, #16 about the "defend our porn", except for damning crossfit to hell. I am dissapointed, though.

Duh, I am on the main page! Usually don't post here because it's overwhelming.

Regarding "Defend Our Porn," it should be noted that pleasure alone is not a sufficient basis for determining which actions are right, otherwise tyrants would rightly abuse their subjects. Many times doing the right thing can be unpleasant or even painful.

#27
"Many times doing the right thing can be unpleasant or even painful." ie, GWOT

#3 The workout novelty is a valid point, though my mind notices it more than my body does. I still work hard blasting through the 30 muscle ups (or in my case, 120 pullups/dips). I'd just like more of the girl workouts to come up, especially LINDA!!! Ok, if my last posting didn't set you off, this might make you hate me - or love me. This is crossfit, after all, and I love it!

Slippery slope. Who's to say what is obscene? I don't want someone who's beliefs differ from mine dictating what I can and cannot watch, and I imagine that the opposite is true. The hallmark of America and Democracy is freedom, the freedom to do and say as you wish, and to IGNORE or AVOID that which displeases you. You do NOT have a right to not be offended. Societies that limit speech that is deemed potentially offensive (note: which differs from illegal, a distinction that #21 was smart to point out) are only harming themselves.

#20-Sage words coach.

#16, John, writes,

"Porn is perverted and disgusting! It is very destructive to the family. Does Crossfit support this kind of trash? . . . If this is something Crossfit supports, then they can go to hell. I will no longer support them!"

It is clear how you feel about porn.

Are you arguing that porn should be illegal?

Are you arguing that those who would defend speech that you personally find "perverted and disgusting" are unworthy of your support?

MB - whenever a WOD posts that seems like "iceberg lettuce" I usually pull a workout from a different site. I think doing so is still in the spirit of Crossfit as it is always varied, and always sucks (in a good way!). When I do this, I pick workouts that will force me to better my weaknesses or just straight destroy my body.
Recently I've started using a protective mask (to restrict breathing) for the easier WODs. It forces a completely different response from my body and I've noticed that my O2 efficiency has increased when I'm not wearing it.
God bless!

#23: Trust me on this one, I was holding way back. I recently purchased two CF T-shirts, and subscribed to the CF journal. They may all be going in the trash!

I will no longer support CrossFit at work, and I work for a company with over 7000 employees. Unless someone from this organization issues a formal apology, I will do all in my power to steer as many people as possible away from CF and the trash it supports.

I was personally offended by the video, and may even seek legal action against CF for having published it. I demand the person responsible for posting the article is publicly reprimanded, and or terminated.
-Out!

I just wanted to say that I thought Allison was wonderfully real and authentic - the way passionate people talk about things when they're not afraid that anyone's watching. The way we'd talk among friends.

And I'm glad it's a rest day.

Been doing this only two months now, have packed on upper body muscle mass faster than I would have thought possible for an old guy. I started looking for a new way to gain enthusiasm for a routine, and am very much enjoying the not knowing part, until the WOD gets released. Wanted to lose weight, but have mostly re-distributed it - and I'm fine with that. I am continually surprised to see how much I look forward to the off days at the end of a three day stretch, and on off days, how much I look forward to the new WOD.

#21, jNeal, writes,

"If an act depicted in pornography is against the law, then those who perpetrate that must be held accountable, in their depiction, for violating the law."

Are you arguing that a movie that depicts a a bank robbery should be illegal because bank robbery is illegal?

My Vibram Five Fingers came today. It took about an hour to get used to them and now its official that I love them. I can't wait to work out in them. I'm going on travel to Eglin AFB tomorrow and I'll be wearing these on the plane.

#22 A_Martinez - There is currently a bill in Congress that will eliminate Playboy, Penthouse and a whole bunch of others from the exchanges. I don't think it includes Maxim and FHM, but your point applies to this bill.

Hello All!!!!!!!! I am new to cross fit and hooked. I am a day behind and just completed my first CINDY. Eleven rounds (scaled).

30/F/130

Not to be totaly off subject, but enlarge that image and am I not mistaken, thats an over weight John travolta in the back ground? maybe getting in cross-fit shape for his next role?

#23, Going through something "as vicious as crossfit" has nothing to do with it. Where do you see a relation? There is a time and place for everything. I am an affiliate and our group's intensity and quest for health with CrossFit has made me proud. When they go to the HQ website, it would be nice to think that they can see and read things that make them feel the same pride in being a part of it. Yeah, we can be in your face. We get nasty, turn up some loud hard music, scream and yell, but having good taste when you represent a community that has done so much for so many seems like a simple move to me.

Not to be totaly off subject, but enlarge that image and if im not mistaken, thats an over weight John travolta in the back ground? maybe getting in cross-fit shape for his next role?

why the porn??? seriously??? is the point to bring about discussion?

thin the herd.

CCTJOEY... "I like Porn just because you don't"

#21, JNeal

You said:

"Freedom of speech is designed to bring to alarm abuse by the Government, not to showcase a Crucifix in urine."

Two obviously different examples, probably meant to show that there's some dividing point between acceptable and unacceptable "speech." The simple problem is this:
1) Where is that point of division, and
2) Who are you willing to empower to make that distinction on your behalf? To whom are you willing to give that power OVER YOU?

I am not willing to give anyone, especially the government (and I'm a liberal:) the power to decide what sort of speech I should be protected from. That's my own job, thank you very much. I am strong enough and intelligent enough to judge for myself what I consider offensive.

A great speech on this topic was given a while back by Christopher Hitchens. Here's the youtube link (WFS):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUphTYPMB4o

Speaking as a guy who can take it or leave it, I do find it mildly surprising that someone can click through a link entitled "Defend our porn" and then manifest outrage that they've been, you know: Exposed to porn. In the 21st century. On the Internet.

#33 John, reading your first post I thought you were serious but after this post it sounds like you're pulling my leg. The article posted is meant to stir discussion, which is exactly what it's doing. To get so bent out of shape because an issue is being discussed seems crazy to me. I didn't notice crossfit taking a position for or against porn, just posted a link to an article and asked to post thoughts to the comments.

If you are intent on leaving the community over this it reminds me of this article.

http://positivesharing.com/2008/03/top-5-reasons-why-the-customer-is-always-right-is-wrong/

John #16

The rest day articles don't necessarily reflect the views of Coach Glassman or the CrossFit community; they are intended to provoke intelligent debate.

Obviously, you are opposed to porn from a moral standpoint, but what is your view on the rights of those who do not share your opinion? Do you feel that people do not have a right to view and produce porn? If not, why? Furthermore, you claim that porn is "very destructive to the family". In what way?

Beyond that, and regardless of your opinion on the subject of porn, I think the main purpose for sighting this article is to stimulate debate on our right to privacy and to what extent the government should have control over our personal lives and how we express ourselves, both publicly and privately. Personally, I feel that if there are certain persons who wish to be filmed having sex and others who wish to view it, that is their perogetive. If you don't like porn, then don't watch it. If you think it's immoral, then that is your opinion and you have a right to it. Likewise, others have a right to their opinion, and it may differ form your own. Thus is the nature of liberty. We must be thankful for our freedom, even if we don't like the way that everyone uses it.

For #31:

I’m not making an argument for or against porn on this sight, let’s get that perfectly straight! I’m saying I do not want those I love, and or work for, or with, being exposed to the evil associated with porn.

If CrossFit as an organization is supporting porn, then they are not only unworthy of my support, they are worse then the terrorist I have trained to kill, and the murderers I have placed in prison!

Porn is at the root of the most evil men I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. If an individual watches that trash, then that is there business.

I however am vehemently apposed to porn and everyone that knows me knows this. If I recommend someone to CrossFit, and they view articles like the one posted on today’s rest day “defend our Porn,” then it infers I support it. Get it?

Porn has nothing to do with free speech, and it has no place on a public fitness sight, and if you think it does, you are a moron.

#32 MWade,

I certainly have no problem with doing your own thing, whatever that may be. I'm familiar enough with CrossFit's ideas to easily come up with my own workouts. However, I feel that there is a lot to be gained from sticking with the main site WOD. First, there's improved continuity. You're not going to accidentally do something that combines poorly. Second, there's community--a large group of very fit people who post results with which you can compare. And I'm sure these aren't the only two.

The reason I'm bringing the issue up is because I like sticking with the main WOD because of all the extra value you get thrown in, and because I don't want to lose that if the WODs deteriorate (even a little) from what they used to be.

Summary: I drank the kool-aid. Now I care about it, so why are you watering it down?

#33 John

Bye! Nobody's going to miss you here in Liberty Land. Maybe the Taliban is recruiting this week. Sounds like you have a future with them.

OMG CAN WE GET OVER IT ALREADY!!! Yes, Allison is great, BUT has anyone considered that she may be a "crossfit groupie". She is in way too many videos, comments, pics. etc. I know there are many more women out there in Crossfit, so let's talk about them too.

Stagliano writes: "There is war in America, on the American people. It takes the form of trying to kill pleasure."

It is important to realize that the use of power, to control the lives of others, is itself a great a source of pleasure to many. And that is truly dangerous, evil, and filthy behaviour.

s.

#45, John, write,

"I however am vehemently apposed to porn and everyone that knows me knows this. If I recommend someone to CrossFit, and they view articles like the one posted on today’s rest day “defend our Porn,” then it infers I support it. Get it?"

So, if a given professor at a university makes an argument in defense of porn, you want nothing to do with that university? Fair enough. I am in no way arguing that you need to associate yourself with anyone or any thing that holds a viewpoint different than your own.

"Porn has nothing to do with free speech, and it has no place on a public fitness sight, and if you think it does, you are a moron."

You consider this an argument?

Men fight for freedom, then they begin to accumulate laws to take it away from themselves.

John - After you are done whining exercise your freedom to leave.

MB - that is why i have not been posting much lately. I usually end up making up my own WOD and then if possible, doing the one from the main page also.

I am new to CF and am now starting to realize that not only do you provide a great opportunity to exercise the body, but the mind as well.

#20 Mr Rippetoe

Your statement is correct "the only thing in life more important than strength is Liberty".

Moreover, your educational vids are incredibly inspiring and your proper deadlift alignment theory is brilliant.

#39
I see the relation in being completely honest. Crossfit can be vicious and some times people swear when they feel strongly about something. You could say it's my "empiracal observation." I don't see it as negative,
if anything it was positive. She was talking about looking at something in an honest and mature manner. What good would it do to sugarcoat something?

Besides this was a situation when Allison was talking in a very relaxed envoironment. It wasn't like she was in a public setting. Yes the video became public, but how was Allison to know what was going to be posted? Being a film major, I am sure that there were hours of footage shot.
You never know what makes a story.
I for one, am proud that this video was posted and was impressed with both Allison's honesty and Coach or whomever post the discussions and vids courage to bring this issue up. That's my crossfit, courage and honesty no matter what the situation.

John,#45,

It seems that you have little support in this area about porn. Porn destroys relationships, ends marriages, gives false expectations towards relationships and detaches a person from reality regarding their true sexual purpose in life.
I wish that Glassman would quit trying to sell sex to sell his programming. Anyone else think that a video with Allison and how it was presented has anything to do todays rest topic?
#47, you are retarded - please stop breathing my oxygen.
# 3 - I support you too - and I have started to explore other options such as www.gymjones.com and www.mtnathlete.com. Smart programming mixed with variation all the time.

Peace!

#45 John, tell us how you really feel...

I'm with you CCTJOEY

#45

Although I agree with you that I was a bit taken aback by the fact that pornography is being discussed on a fitness site, I think there's more to it than that. I assume you did not view the link (your choice, nothing wrong with that), but the point of the link posted was with reference to freedom of expression, ie first amendment rights. A person who would read the article would pick up on that and realize the argument being made did not necessarily depend on the context-the argument would hold if the article discussed the reading of controversial literature in a school, or newspaper publishing statements supporting a radical political position in the interests of "equal time." To say that pornography has nothing to do with free speech is patently incorrect. Numerous federal court cases have dealt with precisely this issue (see American Booksellers Association v. Hudnut, 598 F.Supp. 1316, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234, et al for examples of the breadth of the impact the 1st amendment can have on free speech). We as a society must be prepared to confront and discuss topics that are unpleasant if we are to progress intellectually, socially, and even morally.

Although I have the utmost respect for you personal beliefs (whatever they may be) and your position on this matter, I do feel that vilifying CF for "supporting" pornography over-reaches. The idea behind what was posted is sound, even if it's method of delivery is questionable.

If I did not believe in free speech I would tell you to shut up John

out!!!

#43: what I was referring to was to showcase the intent of the framers of the Constitution. The excuse given for TAXPAYER subsidy for the Crucifix art was the First Amendment. I am not discussing censorship of anti-religious art.

It's just that I saw the title and it says post thoughts. I believe that legally, pornography is not a protected freedom because it is different from showing Government corruption. I don't recall any Supreme court rulings with pornography being declared Constitutionally-protected free speech.

Again, the intent of the framers did not include unrestrained pornography with total license. People want to stretch intent of the First amendment to fit what they want, but I don't hear the same support given to the Second Amendment.

John,#45, I'm with you on this. It seems that if you cross Glassman's thought process you are bastardized from Crossfit forever. People don't want to hear from other people that they are doing something wrong and the fact that people have been desensitized to so many things over the course of their lifetime is discouraging. When they do they lash out and ostricize the person. I fully expect something of that nature here - but I don't care.
I wish Glassman would quit selling sex to sell his product - the numbers should speak for themselves. Is it any wonder that how the video was presented today (not what SHE said) in accordance with todays rest topic was anything but deliberate?
Porn is evil. Porn divides, porn destroys. It gives false expectations on relationships. It makes people loose touch with their true sexuality. If it's ok, would you show your children hard core F#$#ing? I suspect not - probably b/c you know it's wrong deep down inside. I support you John - no matter what other people may say - "the Taliban is hiring?" come on! Grow up.
# 3 - I don't think you are being too picky and I have noticed the trends as well. I have researched other alternatives such as the gym jones and the mtn athlete websites for other variances that have Crossfit influences.

Hey life is full of ups down ins and outs. Its not about control its about composure. We will come across many things in life some will be complimentry to our lifestyle and beliefs and others will conflict. Porn happens to be one many people have extreemly variouse and hard set opinions on. Its not important we support or oppose to these acts its how we react to them that defines us within our community. AllisonNYC really spoke well on this very subject in the video posted on the same day as the article involving the concept of the legality of pornograghy. We are here not to argue or get our "panties all in a bunch" we are here for the fact we would like to enjoy intelectual discourse on a social format with our peirs. By expressing our opinions with respect and showing a little acceptance we at crossfit may be able to gain a brodder more wholistic perspective on how we as a community can exist with eachother. For all our variouse traits and imperfections we are still put on this earth together and so we have two choices. One gain some cmpasion and uderstand the world is bigger than how I feel. Or two just butt out. It is the beliefe that one person, culture, religion, nationality, or race could have a more correct judgment of the right way to live that brings us such greats as Aldolf Hitler, Saddom Heussaine, and Osama Bin Ladin. Lets put aside the ritouse attitudes and just agree to disagree. Then lets go one stepp further and embrace our differences learn to love the ability to be an individual. Finaly lets stnd and fight for the God givin rights of Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, not at the cost of others rights but for the good of all.

That may be some idealist garbage to some but hey atleast I am aware its only my opinion and not everyone is gonna agree.

Thanx crossfit you have changed my life.

I missed Michael today I will make it up in the morning and catch up.

I think some people on here missed the point, specifically John #33 etc.

I am reasonably sure that CrossFit does not support porn.

CrossFit supports freedom.

When you start restricting freedom, sometimes it is difficult to stop. I agree with all above who have said this in one form or another.

Why are we hung up on porn?

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MB - You are definitely right. WODs have been a bit flat lately. I think we are all doing the right thing by being creative and using what we have learned about variation from the past. Perhaps there is a method to this madness...

It is interesting how some of claim to support freedom of speech, until of course someone says something you disagree with. When this happens, then the only freedom you support is the freedom to tell that person where to go. Hypocrites!

Why is my comment not being posted - 2x I have written and it has not posted - I see that it is being held for approval by the blog's administrator. If this is opinion based, then why are you are you not posting my thoughts to the board - do you have somthing to loose?

I am also disappointed in the pornography post. I recently started my 10 year old son on CrossFit kids. This is not the kind of material I want my son exposed to.

My business partner and I are about to open two gyms in our home town and CrossFit is going to be a major part of our operation. We will be offering CrossFit to kids. What am I supposed to tell the parents of my students when they go to the CrossFit web site and there's pornographic material staring them in the face? I do not want to answer those kinds of questions.

My business partner recently received his level 1 certification and we just sent in the paper work for an affiliation. It would be very disappointing if we had to disassociate ourselves from CrossFit. I'm not going to make any rash judgments based on one incident, but if CrossFit is going to move in this direction we will have to reevaluate our association with them.

There are numerous sites on the web where porn can be viewed. I truly hope CrossFit will never again be one of them.

#33 John is a wacko!! Legal Action! (not that you would have a legal leg to stand on), good riddance!

Isn't the freedom of speech and press clause in the 1st Amendment about speaking against the Federal Government? Can someone please help me understand the connection between freedom of speech and pornography? Was the "right" to display acts of sex and sensuality part of the motive behind the 1st Amendment? How is speaking out against the actions of a government and pornography connected in the 1st Amendment?

#33 John
Calm down a second... if you are sincere, and not presenting a straw man, help me understand what you're talking about when you say:
"Porn is at the root of the most evil men I have ever had the displeasure of meeting."

#61-although your position is understandable, the article is not in defense of pornography so much as it is in defense of free speech. Those who are willing will be able to see the difference.

John,

You may be on to something with the 'pornography is evil' thing. Just look at the hate it's created in your heart. I'll pray for you tonight. Seriously.

BTW, the poster, Lauren, is Coach's wife. Don't hold your breath for the firing or public condemnation.

#4, we did the USMC mudrun May 4, 2008. We are the Laurens posse. It was a four mile obstacle course. With lots of mud!!!! I thought the same thing about John Travolta. The picture even looks like it was overlayed in the background, lol.
About the porn thing. If it is an issue of FREE speach then why is the porn industry a multi-billion dollar enterprise??? It is only about money.Do not let these idiots fool anyone into thinking they are doing it for anything except that. JOHN STAGLIANO looks like a good candidate to be caught by Chris Hansen and the Dateline news crew with a case of Uncle Mikes Hard Lemonade going to meet some 14 year old. Hopefully a taser will be required. Porn is similar to abortion in that it leaves a wake of broken lives and a whole bunch of cash flow all wrapped up in the U.S. Constitution. SEMPER FI "WE BEAR NOT THE SWORD IN VAIN"

Also #61 (I swear I am not trying to pick on you)-you do realize that crossfit kids has it's own website that you can link parents to directly? I can see where you are coming from 100%, but you can avoid trouble for yourself by directing them to crossfitkids.com directly...

Just my $.02...

I have been doing CrossFit for almost a year and a half. In that time I have realized that whatever is posted in the comments does nothing to change CrossFit. Yet, I have an opinion and this is the only place it can be heard.

Maybe the article (maybe the video, too) today is a tongue-in-cheek ploy about the freedoms citizens in the US enjoy, but it reflects poorly on CrossFit and I think it is unprofessional. It is another example of why I use the workouts, but have not supported CrossFit monetarily. It is also another reason why I don't tell friends or people in the gym about CrossFit; my recommendation would suggest I support the views and expressions of the site. There are a lot of good things here, but often the negative things overshadow them.

I also agree with #3 MB. I am glad I am not the only one who is starting to question the WOD pattern.

My last topic is the "groupiness" that CrossFit has seemed to ooze in the last 6-8 months. I don't mind people jumping on the band wagon, but cherry-picking workouts, filling the comments with worthless drivel, and turning a WOD, or a picture, or a video into a social-hour-meat-market-for-time experience is disappointing.

First of all, for those who didn't click through, the video is a modern art dance thing with everyone but one person wearing as much or more clothes than you see on an average beach and the single person is wearing what is equivalent to paint or gold flecks so her nipples aren't really showing. It is no worse than the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue with the body paint. And yes, your teenage boys do look at that issue, even if they have to find a friend of a friend... and the rest of the site is filled with text and *gasp* legal briefs and *double gasp* news reports. Hmm... where's the porn? I don't agree with porn myself, but just because the word shows up does not mean it is there and we're all bad people for clicking through and reading the article.

#61

I think you definitely have a point. I believe it could still be possible to stimulate a discussion on this subject without a link to questionable content, I imagine the article alone would have sufficed. Many people do access the site and some of them are only admitted to G rated movies.

#57

I read your post several times. I tried to see your point of view, but I could not get my head that far up my anus.

So if one person has a belief in a more correct way to live, that makes them a mass murder like Hitler? You are a total whack job! You speak of God given rights, do you even know God?

I think the porn article was posted to stimulate discussion. Maybe it wasn't intended to start a discussion of whether CF supports porn, but rather a first ammendment conversation like J stated in comment #54. I don't think that CrossFit is trying to support the pornography business by posting it. I think these articles are meant to be approached with an open mind to provoke some thought. They are not posted to push beliefs.

MB comment 3 Why are crossfit workouts becoming less varied?

I concur with your assessment that there are less novel workouts now then there have been in the past and your question is valid.

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

Great video Allison! I think it is your best yet.

With out writing out a long preloge of thought I will add the following.t

We all have to remember that an aesthetically pleasing body is a by product of CrossFit. I can admit that developing an attractive body is a welcomed side effect or response to "forging elite fitness". How could our bodies respond in any other way if we dedicate our selves to doing the
WOD? I am over 39 yeas old and I am in the best shape of my life and all I do is the rx'd WOD.

If there are followers of CrossFit that can appreciate the "sexiness" that CrossFit can provide then more power to them. I admit I am one of them.

I also admit that at 39 years old I definitely don't mind having the body and fitness level of most 20 something males. I can claim both only because I have been a dedicated trainee in CrossFit for the past year. I also make every effort to eating on the Zone.

#33 John, I personally think you're missing the point of this discussion topic. Keyword being "dicussion." I see nowhere that CrossFit claims to support pornography. The point of the rest day post, IMO, is to have something to dicuss intillectually and rationally.

You're making a highly irrational conculsion if you believe because they posted something dealing with porn as a discussion topic that they support it out right. There is no evidence to support that claim. I could go make the conclusion from your post that you must be some Bible-totting self righteous Christian but in all regards that would be completely unfair and wrong.

As far as you no longer supporting CrossFit. That is all fine and well, it is your choice. It is NOT however your responsibility to outright "...steer as many people as possible away from CF..." These are you own beliefs, you have no right to try and self impose them on others. Also, just because you are or were a supporter of CrossFit does not mean you share the same beliefs as the topics they post and in your apparent opinion "support." I think we are all old enough and/or mature enough to draw our conculsions.

And now for something completely different...

Great vid by Allison.

I will NEVER understand why people are so concerned with what other people do in their own homes! Only those with no life of their own can possibly have the time to worry about and pass judgement on the private things people do by themselves.

CrossFit Kids Cert tomorrow morning! Can't wait to wake up and continue my CrossFit education.

I'm really looking forward to being able to share CrossFit with my 3 year old brother Ethan. There are lots of kids who can really use a fitness program like CrossFit. . Especially in NYC. I plan on doing my part to help them get it.

Thank you Coach!

Had dinner tonight with some excellent people from So Cal. I'm never surprised how many wonderful people there are in this community.

I liked the video. I'm proud to be a CrossFitter.

The only thing that I didn't like was me sipping the Jamba Juice. Those days are SO over. Mango Madness is definitely not on the Zone.

I'm really hoping that this "defend our porn" article was posted just to promote discussion and Crossfit doesn't actually support the porn industry. If a young impressionable lad like myself were to find out that Crossfit is actively defending pornography, I would feel like someone just told me Santa isn't real :(

Anyways on the subject of AllisonNYC: No offense to you but I never was a big fan of yours until this video. It seemed to me like your were getting way too much attention solely because of your... endowments. Now however I really feel like you are a hardworking, intelligent woman who is as deserving as anyone for a 6 part series =]

"BTW, the poster, Lauren, is Coach's wife. Don't hold your breath for the firing or public condemnation."

That is enough for me my friend. Thanks for exposing the source. I was really hoping Lauren was a mistake, and not the wife of the man I was beginning to admire. No more CrossSmut for me, or my organization. Trust me, many more like me will do likewise.

As far as the hate, your darn right I hate. I hate evil, and porn is very evil. It destroys lives, marriages, and now, if it is embraced by CF, it will destroy it to.

Psalm 97:10:
0 Let those who love the Lord hate evil,
for he guards the lives of his faithful ones
and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

Proverbs 8:13
To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I (God) hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

Well, I just came back from a meal with some family members and was raving about crossfit with the brother-in-law and asked him to give it a shot. If this discussion is the first thing he sees or reads about crossfit, well, to be frank, I'd be mighty embarrassed. It is really a shame.

I am raving about the exercises, the nutrition, the o-lifts, etc. He may not understand the discussion day thing....

Porn, Crossfit groupies, and Tired Routines.

Yes, I know it is a discussion but, this discussion does crossfit a huge disservice.

Your Still Here?

I think the porn link was put up to show us that the government (FBI and what other agencies?) are using the rights given them under the Patriot Act to do more than fight terrorists. If this is true, then isn't that over-stepping by our government? I agree that porn isn't good and certain kinds are illegal according to our laws, but that doesn't give the government the right to do illegal search and seizure on their own people to fight something they already have ways of fighting. The Bigger Brother aspect is starting to come true in this country. I'm not trying to sound like a paranoid, but we are giving up rights for security and finding ourselves no more secure but definitely with less rights.

Allowing the government to find ways to run around the system of checks and balances to keep agencies from running all over the freedoms of the people is not something we can allow. What if the next thing that gets out-lawed by the government is some form of spiritual or atheistic belief? Then all of those that believe in that are under possibility of being found out by the invasive search measures that were granted to allow the government to fight terror. At that point they would be no longer fighting terror and instead working on controlling the thoughts of the people.

I'm with you #77, I am glad AllisonNYC has finally had a chance to show some character.

Of course, I must say, anyone who doesn't think AllisonNYC is hot, raise your hand now...

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No one?

...

Okay. That's what I thought.

John, I really think you're over reacting here. Why can't Crossfit post about a topic like porn just for discussion?

You might want to get a little more information and actually find out if Crossfit supports this before you go around cutting your ties from Crossfit and doing "all in my power to steer as many people as possible away from CF and the trash it supports."

Come on guys if you dont like porn dont watch it. You dont have to damn anyone to hell or quote the bible.

Grow up

#74 wrote:
"It is NOT however your responsibility to outright "...steer as many people as possible away from CF..." These are you own beliefs, you have no right to try and self impose them on others."

According to the article, "Protect our Porn," which many here claim is just about free speach; then it is perfectly with in my rights to do as I please, and say what ever I want, right, or is it not?

Do you believe in free speech, or don't you? What about the other constitutional rights, like freedom of religion, which includes the freedom to have a religious opinion that is different then yours?

Or the freedom to tell you to go to hell. Or does you brand of freedom only include that freedom that suits you? Sounds hypocritical to me, but such is the way of the liberal fool!

#56 jNeal:

"I don't recall any Supreme court rulings with pornography being declared Constitutionally-protected free speech."

Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 (1964); Paris Adult Theatre I v. Slaton, 413 U.S. 49 (1973); Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973); Hamling v. United States, 418 U.S. 87 (1974); Brockett v. Spokan Arcades Inc., 472 U.S. 491 (1985); Mishkin v. New York, 383 U.S. 502 (1966); Pinkus v. United States, 436 U.S. 293 (1978); Pope v. Illinois, 481 U.S. 497 (1987); FCC v. Pacifica, 438 U.S. 726 (1978)

#61

There are many, MANY terrible things in this world you must protect your kids from... drugs, gangs, licking wall sockets, wolves, getting run over by busses, kidnappers, etc. One woman's naked boobies should be the least of your concerns. You realise anywhere you take your kids, there's a chance they might see a wonman wearing something provacative. Are you going to keep him out of the gym because he might see a hot girl? Will you never take him to the beach
for fear he might catch a nipple slip from a swimsuit adjustment? I know your kids are the most important thing in your life, just lighten up a little.

Coach Rip and CCTJoey: I'm with you.

I think this issue could have been brought up without the video feed or even with an article that actually dealt with the reasoning behind pornography being an issue of free speech. Pornography is an issue of free enterprise... not free speech. This issue is, "I am going to make my money how I want!" Free speech seems to be more an issue of freedom to say "Bush is an idiot." or "Clinton is a thug." or even (and I don't think this, "The U.S. soldier is a cold blooded killer." Without wondering whether or not the Feds are going to kick down your door and make you disappear.

From the "consumers" point of view, pornography is not about expression or communication, it is about consumption. That consumption can lead to addiction and behaviors outside of the "private life."

Next time, lets just have an article, and skip the video of naked painted women.

Out.

hi all Allison i liked your video...very nice
I've been "crossfit-ing" for about 6 weeks now
it's made a big difference in my level of fitness

Discussion about today's subject is fine.

I just hope our 14 and 15 year old clients don't watch the video. They love CrossFit. And their parents trust me.

Bummer.

#85 John

You are still posting aren't you? You still have the freedom to speak your mind and people are reading what you have to say and responding, aren't they?

If I were you I would reexamine the logic I use to reach my conclusions before I post.

Irrational thought is still thought and has a right to be heard if a person believes it, but it doesn't get as much respect as a well supported argument.

That's my take.

Freedom is a virtue, but it is best used in the pursuit of virtue.

From Pope Benedict:

"Freedom is not only a gift, but also a summons to personal responsibility. Americans know this from experience – almost every town in this country has its monuments honoring those who sacrificed their lives in defense of freedom, both at home and abroad. The preservation of freedom calls for the cultivation of virtue, self-discipline, sacrifice for the common good and a sense of responsibility towards the less fortunate. It also demands the courage to engage in civic life and to bring one's deepest beliefs and values to reasoned public debate. In a word, freedom is ever new. It is a challenge held out to each generation, and it must constantly be won over for the cause of good."

http://wcbstv.com/papalvisit/pope.benedict.speech.2.701076.html

The coaches wife, Lauren, titled the discussion:

"Defend our Porn! Protect our freedom."

The link takes you to the porn industrise own defense web page, "Defendourporn.org"

This implies that if we do not support the porn industries agenda to poison our society with their filth, then we do not support freedom.

She could have titles today's subject any number of ways. But the way she chose to title it can only be taken one way. She is defending porn. Since she is the wife of the beloved "coach," that is enough to associates the support of porn with Crossfit Inc.

Any junior CEO out there could clearly draw this conclusion. Those of you who know I am right, but are afraid to post, shame on you! To associate with evil, is to condone evil!

#85

Where in my post did I claim that the article was about free speech? Yeah, I checked it, there is no mention. I was responding to you, not whether or not people were claiming it to be about free speech.

By all means yes it is within you rights to do as you please (even if if makes you sound like incredulous dolt) again I never said it wasn't.

Yes I believe in freedom of speech, nowhere in my post did I state otherwise. I also never questioned your religious beliefs or affiliation; I have no problem with you having your own religious opinion.

Go ahead and tell me to go to hell, if there even is one. I'll meet you there. You denounce your "God" every day by sinning, ask for forgivness and do it all over again. You have no right to judge me for IF your "God" exists you are as much a sinner as I, no matter the amount. A sinner is a sinner. Since you're not Jesus Christ, you can not claim to be otherwise.

The point I was making in my last post was to say that you have NO right to impose your beliefs on others. I was NOT saying that you didn't have the right to your own opinion.

If you have any brains about you, you should have now realized that your arguement holds no weight. You have accused me of things that are utterly false.

So let us recap: YES you may say what you will. YES I believe in free speech and other constitutional rights. YES I believe you may have your own religion. NO I was not being hypocritical creating my own "brand" of freedom. Alas NOWHERE in my post(#74) did I say anything that would make one think otherwise.

Next time you want to rebuke, try a little harder to actually read and comprehend the post before you respond.

John- Good job reading the article. Maybe if you weren't staring at the dancers (I have yet to see anything mildly resembling porn) you would have realized that the issue was the misuse of the Patriot Act. But I guess you were to busy looking up bible quotes to actually think.
Next time, do us all a favor and quote something good, like maybe Dr Suess.

#56 jNeal:

Whoops, meant to add some text before posting, sorry. There's a bunch of porn-related cases in which the Supreme Court tried to come up with some rule about what's "obscene." These cases, some of which I pointed to above, show that while obscene speech is not protected, non-obscene speech generally is, and lots of porn can well be in the latter grouping. So porn, qua porn, is not without Constitutional protection, which amounts to saying that it often is Constitutionally protected.

#94

That logic is absolutely ridiculous. Yes she could have named it something else, no doubt about that. But that does not lead us to it can be "taken only one way."

Her being the wife of Coach Glassman does not reflect on his beliefs much less the beliefs of CrossFit.

AllisonNYC: great video...I find the webisodes entertaining...
John: When has the rest day topic even been an endorsement? Never. Relax. CrossFit doesn't support porn...CrossSmut does though...The 'rest-day' is about stimulating your mind. You need to think about the rest day as an excercise. All that is being discussed is people's right to freedom of speech/print...and the extreme of liberal western society - porn. Where does one's right to publish and purchase material that makes some people uncomfortable end? So, if you censor porn, how can you say you have freedom of speech/press? And relax again. So, what do you have the women of your life do the WOD in? No spandex, right? Sweatpants and sweatshirts? Seriously...legal action? Because a link you clicked on that said "porn" had some 'porn' in it? I didn't click on the link...something you don't do when you're at work and something says "porn". I understand that you are very anti-porn (and a trained killer)...do you have any other hobbies other than CrossFit? Oh, and BTW, JC hung around with prositutes and the like to 'save' them...so maybe you should stick around to help some of the very fit lost souls. Fire me an email about those t-shirts and CFJ...see about taking them off your hands or just holding them for you.
Regarding the repeats of WODs or cycles...sometimes I don't mind it...nice to see improvement when the WOD comes around in short order. That being said, if you don't like the WOD just do your own thing, or add your creativity to Coach's genius. (eg add a weight vest or do a heavy version of the WOD like Fran).

omg! i wish i signed up for the camp pendleton mud run. just looking at that picture and you know that is a great time.

#94 John

I am seeing marked improvements in your rhetoric. While I do not agree with your ideology or your conclusion, I am glad that your post shows the potential foundation for some more solid reasoning. I hope that you will further support your ideas with more sound logical progressions of thought so that a productive debate may be possible.

This "protect our porn" group lost all credibility with me by trying to set up a strawman argument against the Patriot Act. Is this Crossfit or MoveOn.org? The Patriot Act is part of the reason this country has been protected and not attacked since 9/11.

You can make your point without getting hysterical about it.

Dear blog owner,

Censoring my freedom of speech are you? Phony! I guess when the opinion of those you are offended by irritate you, then just exercise your control over them, right? I just wish I could do the same with all the people I have already led here.

Exposing crossfit.org, hay that sounds good to me. :)

-LOL

Well, here it goes...

Pornography does have addicts, and families have been destroyed by pornography...there is no upside to the business for society...

That being said it is a choice...for all involved in the production/consumption thereof.

What I don't like and take offense to is the loose use of the word FREEDOM here...if that's all I'm fighting for in the armed services...I don't want to fight anymore. Everyone answers to someone...this isn't at all what America is about.

Nice video Allison. I liked your comment on the opinions of the CF community. I've never posted any of mine, but maybe I'll start. I agree that the posts are most offten times well spoken and thought out. Thanks for the candid insight on going topless. I'll admit it's a little vain, but it's great to show what CF can do to your physical appearance. Don't be affraid to show more boobs either, especially for those of us deployed.

S/F
Katz

I find it amazing how when links are posted to political issues, hardly anyone discusses them. Yet, a link with the word "PORN" is posted and suddenly it commands attention.

To those offended... I do not think Crossfit is promoting pornography, but rather discussion of pornography and whether it has a right to exist as an art or not. We should strive to better ourselves not only physically, but on rest days better ourselves mentally. Clearly the link met its intended purpose as it has not received a great deal of attention from both sides.

PS. Sarcasm on the last line

#104 Aush

I would like to know the context in which word Freedom is herein used that displeases you. I hope none of my posts fall into that category. I feel like Freedom is a central issue to all of us and I would like to know what connotation of Freedom an Armed Forces member would hang up his/her uniform before defending. You have my respects. Thank you for your service.

#78

Don't you dare quote the bible in defense of your hatred.

Matthew 22:39 - Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

These are the words of Christ. You do not get to pick and choose who you love. You love all mankind. You may disagree with some, but you can not love God with hatred of your fellow man in your heart.

And again "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."

I'm a little shocked too thatarticle was linked on here. I kinda was giving the benefit of the doubt that Crossfit tried to stay "above reproach" so to speak on moral issues. They had to know that linking that would upset people, because I think they know there are alot of conservative Christians here.

On that note, I'm a little irked at how casually people will dismiss quotes from the bible and belittle and mock somone who quotes it. How about a little mutual respect? No one's scoffing at you if you DONT beleive the bible. I'm not quite as hot as John is about this and will probably continue using it as a workout program. I just know now that I will probabl steer clear from talking about anything aside from fitness with many of the diehards of the program. Anyone who thinks critically or logically would be able to easily find the research linking the use of porn to many many large issues plaguing the world. The only reason I can see that somone WOULD NOT realize this is that they were too addicted and hooked to porn to ever think of not rationalizing it as ok for them. For the record, I am with John about porn being horribly damaging.

As a final note. Allison has had her 15 minutes of fame about half a dozen times too many in here. Can we move on? You don't have to look real far to see that she's pretty hung up on herself.

I'm a little shocked too thatarticle was linked on here. I kinda was giving the benefit of the doubt that Crossfit tried to stay "above reproach" so to speak on moral issues. They had to know that linking that would upset people, because I think they know there are alot of conservative Christians here.

On that note, I'm a little irked at how casually people will dismiss quotes from the bible and belittle and mock somone who quotes it. How about a little mutual respect? No one's scoffing at you if you DONT beleive the bible. I'm not quite as hot as John is about this and will probably continue using it as a workout program. I just know now that I will probabl steer clear from talking about anything aside from fitness with many of the diehards of the program. Anyone who thinks critically or logically would be able to easily find the research linking the use of porn to many many large issues plaguing the world. The only reason I can see that somone WOULD NOT realize this is that they were too addicted and hooked to porn to ever think of not rationalizing it as ok for them. For the record, I am with John about porn being horribly damaging.

As a final note. Allison has had her 15 minutes of fame about half a dozen times too many in here. Can we move on? You don't have to look real far to see that she's pretty hung up on herself.

This is freakin' hilarious. Good discussion, although my 8 year old niece and nephew wouldn't get worked up over this as much as some of you.

My .02 =

If porn is so horribly damaging, it's not because of the porn itself. It's because of a weak human mind.

That's like blaming the tobacco industry for a smoker dying. Cigarettes are bad, but smoking is a personal choice.

I WILL say this, however: Posting that link up there without an EXPLICIT **NOT W/FS** tag is wrong. We have to do it in the message board, so it should be done on the main page.

Side note: Allison seems like a nice girl, but whoever is behind the camera/does the editing needs a smack upside the head.

#109

Don't dare??? Oh, I dare alright! Very much so!!! Did you read the part about Jesus turning over the money changers tables in the very temple of His Father? He was very angry! Very angry that a place of worship had been turned into a den of thieves. Just as angry as I am that a concept as great as CF has now openly supported something I, and God, hates! There is no way any police agency will be supporting CF now! Trust me on this note. The military and government contracts will not be pleased either. Freedom of speech, given me a break! Defendporn.org is about defending the multi billion dollar porn industry and nothing else. They do not give a rats butt about your freedom. Al they care about is your money.

Telling me not to pick and chose? Is that not the very thing you have just done? How hypocritical of you! You do not know God, so please do not pretend that you do.

God hates porn because it destroys the very people He loves! If you can not see that, you are a blind fool.

Revelations 2:6:
But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I (Jesus) also hate.

Revelations 2:15:
Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I (Jesus) hate.

Eccl 3:8
A time to love, and a time to hate.

Test

test

Its sort of humorous, and a sign of the simpleton's hypocricy: A girl from the CFsandiego cert is photo'd with her boobs prominently displayed, and it hits the fan with all CF posters. "Why is she wearing that?" "Why is CF posting that?" "Why are you commenting on her boobs, you pigs?".....and then for some reason CF posts the link to a pro-porn fictional crime case set in the year 2011, trumpeting "pleasures of the flesh"...now all the CF posters are hiding behind the sham "its about free speech dude" defense and mocking anyone who complains about the link.

As for the Allison video, I drop the F-bomb as much as anyone else. However, if I know I'm making a video that hundreds, if not thousands of people are going to be viewing, I would like to think I would speak with a little more class.

I REALLY hope that this BUTTMAN thing reflects poorly on CrossFit. I mean that. The comfort level around here makes me wonder WTF! What drives the community?

CrossFit?...or the Community?

I came for CrossFit!

Nice to know the pressure of 40 billion CrossFit affiliates with eleventy billion CrossFitters, that does NOT change the spirit of CrossFit.

Many of you will not know what what I mean. That is OK. I like it that way.

Thanks Lauren.

Who doesn't like boobies? I like boobies.

God doesn't hate anybody or anything...
Jesus also "turned the other cheek".

Oh, I saw a movie where Jesus apparently got it on with a woman too and has a living blood line. The decendent is actually the "holy grail". Can you believe that?

Who knew...

If the link to the porn cite is not removed ASAP, and an apology made, I will be filing a complaint with the better business bureau.

I highly encourage others to do the same!

Wow! I have been following the CF website for some time now but have to admit that this was the first Rest Day discussion that I have followed all the way through. It looks like I started on a good one...

While I personally have my own beliefs and opinions on the topic of pornography, I also understand the intent of the post. Without the heightened awareness of our deteriorating rights and freedoms, we stand a huge chance of losing them completely. I admire organizations that are willing to take on emotional topics rather than just conforming to the status quo. I think that is what CF embodies.

To the affiliates and individuals that supposedly have influence over hundreds and thousands of others, taking your toys and going home because the neighbor said something you didn't like has never resolved anything. Show me one monument dedicated to a critic... Professionally, a simple disclaimer to your loyal followers that the content of this site is not under your direct control and that the opinions don't necessarily reflect that of you or your gym should smooth things over.

Thanks to all for the discussion!!!

John,
I don't feel that CF endorses porn, because it posted a provocative article. So would you then say that if CF posts an article about Islam, then they must support Jihad, and terrorists? I can't make that correlation, and I'd have to say the same about today's article.

The rest day articles seem to generate a lot of discussion, and get the blood boiling. If nothing else, you conducted a mental WOD today. It's your choice to follow along or not with crossfit, but I wouldn't make up my mind based on an article posted on the site. If your convictions are so deep that you'll leave CF, then best of luck to you. If not, take a deep breath and get ready for what tomorrow holds should you be so blessed to have another day.

S/F
Katz

John, I beg you, please, file against the Better Business Bureau. I could not think of a better cause for my affiliation fee to go to, than the Defense of CrossFit Fund. I will pay 6 months early just to boost the fund!!

Thin the herd!!!

to John #94,

She titled it that way because that's on the banner of the website. She's not telling us to "Protect our freedom," she's posting the main idea of the website that she's given a link to and having us have a discussion.

John
Every time I read one of your comments I am struck by the feeling that you are just a provocator playing games here. To summarize, you are threatening to steer your 7000 friends at work away from CF? Threatening legal action against the owners of CF (why again?)? Justifying hate with bible passages? Etc. You can't really be serious. It sounds like trolling to me.

#110 Chappy
Bible quotes have no place in reasoned argument to a secular audience about social issues. In particular, when it is taken a step further and such bible passages are used as justification to ban something, you shouldn’t be surprised to learn that non-religious (or at least less-religious) people get uncomfortable. This is often the case whether they agree with the ban or not.

Regarding the fact that this is linked on the CF site. It is a discussion link, not an endorsement of porn. On the internet, porn is but a mouse-click away at all times. If your child is old enough to read the word "porn" on the internet and to know what it means, perhaps she/he is also old enough to have a talk about the subject.

I couldn't agree more with Allison. It's amazing what the body looks like when your genome is fully expressed.

I just want to say I love porn, its great, oh and I am a soldier and I'm on my 4th deployment to defend all this craziness. John, you are a right wing nut job, but thats what makes this country so great, you can be one, just like a left wing crazy liberal can say what he wants. I will continue to support CF just like many others will do. I say keep God out of CF.

Where can I find Coach B's site?

#45, John, writes,

"I’m not making an argument for or against porn on this sight, let’s get that perfectly straight! . . . If CrossFit as an organization is supporting porn, then they are not only unworthy of my support, they are worse then the terrorist I have trained to kill, and the murderers I have placed in prison! . . . Porn has nothing to do with free speech, and it has no place on a public fitness sight, and if you think it does, you are a moron."

So, you are "not making an argument for or against porn," but you consider those who argue in defense of other people's right to access porn as being worse than terrorists or murders?

And you consider me a moron?

#65, Chesty pullup, writes,

"About the porn thing. If it is an issue of FREE speach then why is the porn industry a multi-billion dollar enterprise???"

By your logic, book and newspaper publishing are also not about free speech, since they too are billion-dollar industries.

#36 I got my 5fingers 2 weeks ago and fell in love with them immediately. 2 warnings for you: if you are used to lifting in shoes with a heel, take care with the first squats you try, and if you are not already a good POSE runner, your calves are going to murder you the first time you run in them. That said, I love them for the oly lifts. I feel much more stable and "grounded", if you will.

Allison, I enjoyed your webisodes. Seeing you bust your ass trying to get the muscle up was f'in inspiring. You rock.

Fundies, go worship with others of like mind and leave the rest of us alone.

21 posts of flawed logic and irrational arguments.

Crossfit is not/does not promote porn. Links are posted to promote discussion, not the content of the link. So you are personally offended by the video and of porn in general. Understandable, so say that. Tell us why you don’t like porn and contribute intelligently to the conversation.

CF did not post “it”. They just posted a link to an article containing “it”. What exactly are you going to have them charged with? As for punishment… maybe she was. Not sure what those Glassman’s are like behind closed doors!

Who’s the hypocrite, anyway? You were the first to tell CF to go to hell then blasted anyone else who disagreed with you. Quoting scripture in one post followed by “freedom to tell you to go to hell” is hardly the best way to PROVE you are more Godly then everyone else. Why don’t you look up the scripture concerning throwing stones or judging others. Don’t belittle people as hypocrites right after you act like one. It ruins any credibility you didn’t have when you started

Your ignorance has far surpassed your inability to think logically. You have stated that you want out. So go. You are in control of one thing… the choices you make. So make a decision and stand with it. Make a constructive, compelling argument or get lost. Don’t speak for others, especially police agencies and military/government contracts. And certainly do not judge me. That’s God’s responsibility and I will answer only to him.

#119, John, writes,

"If the link to the porn cite is not removed ASAP, and an apology made, I will be filing a complaint with the better business bureau."

Be sure you explain to the Better Business Bureau that your complaint involves a free service. And don't forget to complain about Google, which also provides links to porn sites for free.

(Unless, of course, you can get Google to apologize and take down all the links you don't like.)

JDM

Mr. Rippetoe's post said nothing about porn. WTF?!?!

John,
Have you ever posted a WOD time? Troll.

For the love of God, Lauren, please shut down this guy, John. He's gone too far. Enough already! Like #79, I too am so embarrassed that I've sent my friends to this fitness website/community blog to read his bull****!

I must also say that someone up in corporate is totally obsessed with the boob thing...do you realize how often this comes up? Not that there's anything wrong with it. It's a free website and this is a free country! If you don't like it, go somewhere else (read:John).

JDM
You are implying that's what he meant. Great example of flawed logic

agree with john 98
porn destroys families
free speech is standing up on a box with no fear
porn is a trap for the weak

Re: Workout variations - I noticed that too! Decided to follow CF.com wod's for a bit and it's getting a bit too predictable and lacking variety.

John
Re: Bible and Hate - don't hide behind someone else's thoughts. Think on your own.
And are you worthy to be the judge?

Can't read the article or download the vid on Army network. That said ....

I think it's funny how John thinks he knows what God hates ... or wants for that matter. Very similar to our Islamofacist enemies. They hate for God too. John, why don't you just sit down & let God take care of himself. He's all-powerful after all, so it shouldn't be a big probmlem to smite the wicked. All in a days work.

I don't presume to know what God wants but perhaps I'd guess that he wants us to use our natural sex drive & have sex. That's why it made it feel so good & why he made us so pre-occupied with it.

Read Hitchens. When he said Religion poisons everything he may have been on to something. No one speaks for God, not even you John. Don't let the door hit'cha where the good Lord split'cha.

As a parting note: "Don't make me feel like the weird on for liking porn. You're the weird one for not liking it." - Jonah Hill, Superbad

The comments regarding porn as "Evil" and seeking legal action against CF for posting the topic are absolutely Ludacris!

I am Christian and would feel that "urinating on a crucifix" as you say is abhorent behaviour. However, that is EXACTLY what freedom is all about. I don't have to like it one bit but you have the freedom to say it and I have thefreedom to walk away from it,

and IF our government truly is arresting people for masturbating to some internet Porn, we have a MUCH bigger problem then your sensitive little ego being hurt because you saw some boobies.

How does that famous quote go "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Wake up! This is America!!and there are people dying right now for your right to do and say as you please, so if you please to not participate in CF anymore so be it, but for God Sake leave without being a vindictive, self righteous, revenge seeking jerk.

Here's another quote for you "Girl don't go away mad, Girl just go away"

Oh and good for you Allison for putting yourself out there and up for all the comments and criticism, it take a lot of guts.

I am always surprised at how absolutely over sensitive and self entitled people are.

#3 MB,

Agree that it seems benchmarks pop up alot- when this happens do what others suggest, pop to another site for a workout- or better yet, come up with one of your own.

Agree with many that the video series has played out. Nice job Allison- no offense to you. If you are going for a female angle, how about Texas Annie and some of her workouts and training suggestions. Mix it up.

Thanks-
Tony

I'm proud to be a part of the Crossfit community. Liberty should be paramount in our country. After all, that's what America stands for isn't it? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I don't remember there being restrictions on those inalienable rights. What is more natural than the human body? And what is more necessary than sexual pleasure? Think of it this way, without it none of us would be here. Too many people feel that one's liberty should have restrictions. Then you no longer have liberty, you have repression. You don't have the right to tell me what I can't do, just as I don't have the right make you do anything. Nobody is forcing you to watch or financially support pornography, and nobody should restrict what adults do of their own volition whether you think it's immoral, sick, evil or whatever. That is the beauty of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. People like John are missing the point, and need to learn tolerance.
A fit human body is indeed a thing of beauty, and I can't understand how anyone could be offended by it.

Here is another idea per WOD-

This has been mentioned before but,

Give each CrossFit Rockstar trainer duty of posting one week of their personal training WOD's. None can be benchmarks- new stuff. Maybe this would be a pain in the ass, could even use a particular affiliates WOD for the week, and then rotate.

Tony

Don't post here much, but wanted to express that I regularly refer lots of different people to this site to get info, ideas and workouts...even kids/youths.

I do realize CrossFit may have a clientele they service, but they have done it well in the past without too many explicit videos or pics.

Recently, in general, there have been too many pictures of T&A for me to comfortably refer youths to this site for the time being. This has been increasing for a little while now.

Personally, I am not offended or against the free speech we speak of, just disappointed to see that CrossFit.com might have videos or pictures that are NOT work/family safe (or at least, I wouldn’t want to get this link ‘filtered’ by my employer, or my kids walk in will ‘daddy’s’ watching his videos)…on the main site. I am sure we can find lots of healthy ways to discuss free speech without jeopardizing the w/f safe environment of the main site.

My thoughts on the "lack of WOD variety". Could it be that through empirical observation that these workouts have proven more effective than others, thus their increased recurrence? I may be wrong on that, but that's my thought on the issue. Crossfit is about variety and efficacy. I don't think repeating a workout about once a month is a recurrent enough stimulus to really adapt to it.
For some reason I think I'd heard somewhere that Crossfit wanted to increase the strength focus, which would explain an increase of the low rep barbell exercises. Again, I could be wrong.

Flawed logic is a personal term of mine. If fact It’s a copyright. So you can’t use it anymore without expressed written permission of my wife, since she’s the real boss… or I’ll sick John on you, since he apparently knows all the laws of the land… oh, and the BBB also!

I just don’t see how you get "support for porn on CF" from his statement "the only thing in life more important that strength is Liberty." When the Patriot Act is being used to prosecute users of porn, which is legal, that is blatant abuse of power. At what point will it end?

And about “get pooped on”. Is that some strange fetish? Careful, the FBI might come after you

My points on today's article.

Do I like porn? No.
Do I like freedom? Yes.
Should porn be illegal? Well, that's what this article helps us think about isn't it? I'd love it if porn was illegal. I'm a Christian and I think that'd be great. The thing is that even if it was illegal people would still find a way to get it. That poses the question of whether or not that still makes it right to do. Also, I don't know if I think porn falls along the same lines as gun control because it's for pleasure and not for protection.
Also, just because we're in America doesn't mean we are a Christian nation. I wish we were but that's not the case. Does that fact that the freedom that allows me to worship as a Christian is that same freedom that allows gay marriage in California and porn seem a little odd? And if you take away one's freedom do you have to take away the other's just to be fair?
I spent four years in the Army and a year in that craphole in the Middle East and I'm honored to live in a free nation. I think it's good to make ourselves think about whether freedom means all things are permissible or whether there should be limits. Just something to ponder. That's why I hated the topic at first, and now my brain has been exercised.

Thanks Coach.

Just had a new baby girl Nina today, add one more to the crossfit nation.

Congrats on the new addition!

"Porn is evil"... I assume people's basis for this is that porn can cause damage, whether to young minds, marriages or careers. However, this does not make it immoral in and of itself. Morality can, essentially, be based around the principle that people should not be treated as a means to an end; porn does not do this. Instead, it presents an image (*resembling* a human being, but not an *actual* human being) to be used to provoke and/or satisfy sexual desire - ergo, it is not immoral. True, it is not an art, which exists simply for its own sake, but it is not evil; to argue so would be to argue that tv shows broadcast purely for our entertainment are evil as well.

I will not argue that it cannot lead to immorality, through addiction causing one to ignore family and friends etc., but to ban the many from a form of entertainment because of the actions of the few is overly authoritative and restricting; it is not the porn at fault, but the person.

Finally... "very destructive to the family"? I am a sixteen-year-old male. I have looked at porn. My parents also know. I told them. If anything, it has strengthened that relationship. Destruction can happen, but please do not generalise and discount so readily.

Even though this is a rest day, I too feel disappointed at the material posted. I am about to go meet a fellow teacher and her high school daughter for their first CF session at my gym. I do not at all think it would be good business to ask them to check out the CF website today. Yes, I could just point them to the CF kids site, but it has links back to the main CF site. The daughter wants to get in better shape for soccer, is overweight, and becoming very aware of boys. Do I want her to watch the Allison videos as an example of what she "could be"? No effin way. Many people have posted "if you don't like it, don't watch it". Knowing the background of the past videos, I HAVE chosen not to watch any more of them. For the same reason I choose not to go out to the meat market bars filled with ditzy sorority girls and guys (big college town here). I agree, if the message boards require a w/fs label, then the main page should as well.

I'll tell you what really gets my beef...when people misuse the word "loose" for "lose" (as in, I may loose my lunch if I try Michael today). Ooohhh, I hate that.

As Crossfit grows, the image of the mainpage becomes increasingly important to many more people than Coach and Lauren.

For example, at Albany Crossfit, we are developing a free program of training and nutrition for obese kids and teens. We are developing our corporate sponsor base for this, and in all my presentations to potential sponsores and to local middle and high school nurses, I have a link to Crossfit's mainpage to help explain who we are and what it is we do.

A day like today is a day I hope my sponsors, school nurses, and parents of prospective trainers miss.

For those who say it is a free site, yes, it is. But affiliates pay a fee, and all their trainers pay for certs, and to the degree that those sources of revenue are the