April 15, 2008

Tuesday 080415

Rest Day

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Uneven Grace - video [wmv] [mov]


"Leave No Man Behind" - In From the Cold

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Posted by lauren at April 15, 2008 7:08 PM
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Thanks need it after that 10K

Comment #1 - Posted by: Tim0369 at April 14, 2008 7:34 PM

Nice need a down day after 10K

Comment #2 - Posted by: Tim0369 at April 14, 2008 7:36 PM

Nice need a day down after that 10K.

Comment #3 - Posted by: Tim0369 at April 14, 2008 7:37 PM

I think Tim could use a down day after the 10k. What does anyone else think?

Comment #4 - Posted by: MPL at April 14, 2008 7:38 PM

Nice job on the "uneven Grace"!

Comment #5 - Posted by: Jason Ackerman - Albany CrossFit at April 14, 2008 7:46 PM

I think we all need a break - especially Tim.

Comment #6 - Posted by: McFly - 17/M/163/6'1" at April 14, 2008 7:49 PM

Sweetness.

Comment #7 - Posted by: A_Martinez m/25/160/5'6" at April 14, 2008 7:52 PM

I hope Tim doesn't have OCD and ended up doing the 10k 3 times out of impulse. Then he'd especially need it.

Comment #8 - Posted by: Eric/18/177/5' 10" at April 14, 2008 7:52 PM

Awesome on the Uneven Grace, way to change things up and keep the body guessing. Also, kudos to the "Leave No Man Behind" article.

Comment #9 - Posted by: Adam Davis at April 14, 2008 7:59 PM

I think we should leave Tim alone. He's just another hardworking crossfitter who has resubmitting issues...

Comment #10 - Posted by: McFly - 17/M/163/6'1" at April 14, 2008 8:01 PM

Almost as nice a birthday present as the cert in Ann Arbor this past weekend!

Comment #11 - Posted by: Ann-TPark 32/F/140 at April 14, 2008 8:05 PM

Check this out!

I was looking on youtube for muscle up videos and I came across this gem:

Muscle up with Mango:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxbOFKvszY&NR=1

Not only was it a great video on muscle up progression using a bar, it was a great laugh, mango is just slightly out of his tree :>)

and no, I'm not mango

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

Comment #12 - Posted by: Billy at April 14, 2008 8:06 PM

Awesome to realize that we place such value in our soldiers that we would risk many and much to recover one or two who may not make it on their own. Starship Troopers by Heinlein(a good book, a terrible movie) comments on this human ideal. (Paraphrased) Even one soldier is worth going to war for. . .its bond we have with one another, that you mean something if you get captured or lost.

God bless those who risk their lives for this noble mission. As aircrew, I'm thankful for the PJs and the rescue crews who train and suffer in the chance that someone's shot down behind enemy lines and needs a bada$$ to come and get them out. Keep up the good work guys, "that others may live. . ."

Comment #13 - Posted by: Stoker at April 14, 2008 8:13 PM


can anyone ID this song?

thanks

Comment #14 - Posted by: m/22/6'1/185 at April 14, 2008 8:13 PM

haha at the tim comments.

but this really is a much needed rest day

Comment #15 - Posted by: Nicholas at April 14, 2008 8:13 PM

Jilly, Jelli, Chuck, & Mike: looking awesome! Great work!

Comment #16 - Posted by: Dan MacD at April 14, 2008 8:14 PM

Sorry guys, I broke my arm yesterday. I see a Surgen tomorrow, but I think I'll be out for a bit. I'll loose my mind not Crossfitting. Ya'll hit it hard for me alright?

Thanks for everything,

Tim Heid

Comment #17 - Posted by: Tim H. |ATX| at April 14, 2008 8:18 PM

#14: Song is here: http://www.bootieusa.com/bestofbootie2007/

Track #19 (House of Pain/Boston)

Comment #18 - Posted by: MaxG at April 14, 2008 8:40 PM

God bless all you academics out there, because you play a vital role in shaping the minds of our society. However, it really irks me when professors or people in the academic field try to play expert in fields where they have no business. I think the only people who have the right to comment on the bond between soldiers are the actual soldiers and people in the armed forces. As for me, I can only wish that I had that right. I am envious of you guys and gals out there who have that sense of pride and confidence knowing that your brothers in arms have your back - no matter the cost. God bless you.

Comment #19 - Posted by: Travis from Reno at April 14, 2008 8:42 PM

Interesting adaptation of a Grace. Have to say though, that this should not be a workout for beginners. Def more possibility for injury when receiving the clean portion (namely the wrists).

Comment #20 - Posted by: bmoiles at April 14, 2008 8:49 PM

#12 Billy

LMAO!! That's funny stuff. He's definitely a different breed.

Comment #21 - Posted by: Skeletor at April 14, 2008 8:50 PM

Curious: isn't doing Grace and cleans uneven like this a little extra dangerous? It made my back hurt just watching her miss on the first "test" clean she did.

Nice to keep the body guessing, but might there be more effective ways of doing that without off-loading on the spine?

Comment #22 - Posted by: xpaz at April 14, 2008 9:10 PM

Coach should bring Mango in as a special guest instructor at a certification.

Comment #23 - Posted by: B. Rhaly / CrossFit Fondren at April 14, 2008 9:11 PM

Jelly, Mike G & Chuck - always awesome to workout with you. Now that we're used to it, I say we break out Uneven Grace at the SE Games as a hopper WOD... as long as there's a run workout for me to beat Jelly.

Comment #24 - Posted by: Jilly G - BTBCF 30/114/5'3" at April 14, 2008 9:16 PM

Very impressive work on the video, however, I definetly agree with the notion that Uneven Grace is only for very advanced Crossfitters. There should be a disclaimer on that video for sure. Never the less, very, very impressive work guys and gals.

Joel S

Comment #25 - Posted by: phx2083 at April 14, 2008 9:39 PM

I am going to take tomorrow (wed) off cross fit too, I am going to do something called the cav fitness test it consists of:
40 yard dash in under 5 sec
300lb bench press
10 mile run in under 70min
an obstacle course in under 5 min wearing full combat gear i.e. ach, body armor, eye pro, gloves, and dummy weapon
and lastly a 440yd run in combat gear in under 90 sec
What does the cross fit world think of that?

Comment #26 - Posted by: jbark60 at April 14, 2008 9:39 PM

After reading the article it's plainly clear that the term "next of kin" needs a revision...

Most dictionaries define it as "one or more persons in the nearest degree of relationship to another person".

Broadening the definition a bit more (and regardless of military or law enforcement background) who wouldn't do anything and everything to protect their own children, spouses, parents, brothers or sisters in the face of danger?

When push comes to shove, people just do it. It's part of human nature. It's innate to all of us, regardless of color, creed or race.

Then why the rant about "next of kin" and what people wouldn't do for them? Because it doesn't include "brothers in arms"...

To put it very bluntly, would you leave your brother, father, mother or children behind? Even if you knew they were probably already dead?

Comment #27 - Posted by: Juan Manuel at April 14, 2008 9:41 PM

Wow, that uneven grace was crazy. I would be scared to hurt myself.

Comment #28 - Posted by: Joe C/34 yo male/5'5"/160# at April 14, 2008 9:53 PM

I dunno Billy you are promo'ing that mango video pretty hard.

Are you sure you aren't mango?

Really?

Comment #29 - Posted by: jakers at April 14, 2008 9:57 PM

Argh, I am two days behind again! With finals coming up in the next few weeks time is at a premium. work/school/Zone/Crossfit/"sleep"/repeat

Comment #30 - Posted by: Sean at April 14, 2008 10:19 PM

We should bring all of our volunteer sodiers home to in Honor for their sacrifice. Especially those that pay the ultimate. Please see the link below for the 2006 Pulitzer Prize Winner for Feature Photography assignment who respectfully covered a Marine Corps chaplain's unsung heroic service to fallen comrades:

http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Dec06/printpage.taf?page=108

Let's be sure to bring them ALL home.

Comment #31 - Posted by: SunDevilStormin at April 14, 2008 10:21 PM

don't know if the filter ate my previous...

getting some bumpers this week, can't wait to do Grace - I WILL However, wait to do uneven Grace for some time... ouch his shins looked hammered (Mark of a dedicated CrossFitter!)

Not having served in the military, I think we owe those who do our best efforts in making sure that they ALL come home, especially those who pay the ultimate.

I was deeply touched by a the 2006 Pulitzer prize winning series of photos on a Marine Corps chaplain's notification duties. see them here:
http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Dec06/printpage.taf?page=108

Comment #32 - Posted by: SunDevilStormin at April 14, 2008 10:32 PM

don't know if the filter ate my previous...

getting some bumpers this week, can't wait to do Grace - I WILL However, wait to do uneven Grace for some time... ouch his shins looked hammered (Mark of a dedicated CrossFitter!)

Not having served in the military, I think we owe those who do our best efforts in making sure that they ALL come home, especially those who pay the ultimate.

I was deeply touched by a the 2006 Pulitzer prize winning series of photos on a Marine Corp chaplain's notification duties. see them here:
denver.rockymountainnews.com/news/finalSalute/

Comment #33 - Posted by: SunDevilStormin at April 14, 2008 10:39 PM

What a great idea...making the bars uneven; however they were not doing a full clean. They were doing power cleans instead of the full squat clean, which would not be considered Grace, correct?

Comment #34 - Posted by: Alex at April 14, 2008 11:08 PM

Bad days for 2 Tims! Broken arm sucks

Comment #35 - Posted by: Wes in SoCal at April 14, 2008 11:16 PM

I think the uneven grace is cool. How often in life do you have to lift things that are unbalanced? Life doesn't always come at you as a barbell. I am surprised some of you would not be willing to try uneven grace in fear of "getting hurt." It looks a lot safer than moving a couch, and just about all of us have done that at least once in our lives.

That gym looks awesome! Amazing athletes too. Great video.

Comment #36 - Posted by: freddy c._one world at April 15, 2008 12:07 AM

Good to have a rest day, might need to some some light stuff to help me recover a bit though. :)

Great articles too

Comment #37 - Posted by: Steve at April 15, 2008 12:16 AM

I only wish our elected officials could show a measure of the honor our troops embody. It's time we put some money where our mouths are when it comes to "Supporting the Troops" and not just use them as a photo op backdrop.

"Bush administration officials have argued that a better GI Bill, besides being costly, could hurt the military by encouraging people to leave service to attend college."

http://vets4politics.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-gi-bill-president-bush-opposes-it.html

How these guys talk about "cost" to a group of guys and gals willing to pay the ultimate price for the security of us all is beyond me.

Comment #38 - Posted by: rhowk at April 15, 2008 1:05 AM

One of the best CF vids I've seen. Can't wait to conquer Grace!

Comment #39 - Posted by: RV-KY at April 15, 2008 1:47 AM

Jilly, Jelli, Mike and Chuck,

Great Video! Y'all made Grace look easy and she's not easy! Congrats on your performances.

Freddy C.....yeh, that gym really is awesome and the owner Eric is a great guy to work with.

Comment #40 - Posted by: Matt Hunt at April 15, 2008 1:54 AM

Nice job guys. Grace is my favorite workout. Mikey - next time take your shirt off ;)


How uneven were the barbells?

Comment #41 - Posted by: AllisonNYC_23/5'2/125 at April 15, 2008 2:45 AM

Alex: Grace is barbell from the ground to overhead anyway you want. Full clean or power clean press , push press or jerk

Comment #42 - Posted by: AllisonNYC_23/5'2/125 at April 15, 2008 2:49 AM

I will deff take the rest day!

Spent an hour waiting for the nurse this morning to tell me i should see the physio for my shoulder... duhhhhhh

cant wait to get back to the states where doctors know what theyre doing

Comment #43 - Posted by: cken at April 15, 2008 2:56 AM

Cannot read the article - it is blocked here - we are in the business of picking people up and I have to tell everyone it is an honor and a privilege to serve with a rescue group -
...that others may live -
...or you go down, we get up -

Thank you Coach and everyone out there that supports the military and civilians that serve!!!

Comment #44 - Posted by: discogirl at April 15, 2008 3:14 AM

Awesome video and impressive work...wow.
In 2006 we had several skirmishes on our northern and southern borders - 3 soldiers were kidnapped - 2 on the Lebanese border and one in Gaza - that ended up instigating The Second Lebanon War.
In a visit to a high school, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert mentioned that he would have to stop the war at a certain point, so that more soldiers will not die in the attempt to rescue the three.
I could not help thinking at the time: what a morally bankrupt leader, who would forego the necessity of bringing our brothers home to gain political favour. By saying that, he effectively told the rest of our armed forces: "don't get captured, because at a certain point, we're just going to stop trying..."
At the time of writing, the three soldiers - Eldad Regev, Ehud Goldwasser (whose wife verbally confronted Ahmedinejad about Iran's involvement in the kidnapping at the UN) and Gilad Shalit - remain in the hands of their captors.
There are many things I admire about America, and the article delineating the US armed forces credo of leaving no man behind is prime among them.
Thanks,
Ian

Comment #45 - Posted by: IanTelAviv at April 15, 2008 3:41 AM

Good video, great job guys!
Don't mean to critique, would have liked to have seen more jerk from everyone, versus lots of pushpresses. Great job still!

Comment #46 - Posted by: J roCk at April 15, 2008 4:21 AM

Interesting video, but Bag O' Grace is still the ultimate "Uneven Grace".

Comment #47 - Posted by: carl at April 15, 2008 4:32 AM

If you click through to the Yale paper mentioned in the blog it's a little more balanced than you might think. The prof took a utilitarian approach: the pain caused by the death of the six rescuers would be greater than the pain caused by the unrecovered body. The prof's remark that began with: "People put too much emphasis on having a body to bury" continued with: "It's important for people to have various rituals to remember the dead by, but it doesn't seem to me that in order to do those important things you actually have to have a body". The point is another culture might not place as much importance on the body itself.

I think he has a point but ultimately misses the mark. The pain of family members should not be the primary concern of the armed forces or of a particular unit. The pain of the soldier should be. It is he or she who has been asked to sacrifice everything. If it improves the chances of the soldier's survival, and is good for morale , then a no-soldier-left-behind policy seems appropriate. What do the soldiers think?

Comment #48 - Posted by: Prole at April 15, 2008 4:43 AM

I wonder if being taped improves times.

Comment #49 - Posted by: Mike Gallagher at April 15, 2008 4:47 AM

Love the video ... it makes me want to Grace again!

Comment #50 - Posted by: Shana A. in ATL at April 15, 2008 4:49 AM

It was awesome working out with Jelli, Jilly, and Chuck. You all kick ASS! Can't wait to do it again.

Comment #51 - Posted by: MikeG_CFATL at April 15, 2008 4:56 AM

Thank you oh thank you for a rest day! I'm still recovering from Sunday...which I had to scale down, of course!

Comment #52 - Posted by: Georgann at April 15, 2008 5:08 AM

How much easier does it make it to drop the weight at the top? I don't know because I do grace with controled reps on the way up and down.
Does only one part of the movement count? Seems like both contribute to work and fatigue and the goal is not to make a work out easier is it? Coach says intensity or form? He wants both!
The one girl dropped every single rep, wonder what her time would have been if she brought every one down under control?
Maybe I should try the dropping and I could shave some work off and cut my time by 30 sec.

Comment #53 - Posted by: Ryan B at April 15, 2008 5:18 AM

Ryan B

dropping the weight SLOWS you down. controlling the weight all the way down would allow you to go faster (don't have to keep regripping) but if you are fatigued then just drop it. the only requirement is 30 from the ground over your head locked out any way you can.

Comment #54 - Posted by: ken c at April 15, 2008 5:34 AM

I really liked the video today. It was very well thought out - discussion before the WOD, the WOD, and post interviews. The athletes did a great job and Tony's coaching in the background was clearly audible.

I agree with Freddy C., "Life doesn't always come at you as a barbell." Somebody should put that on a T-shirt. If that isn't the truth, I don't know what is. Great point and as usual a high quality post.

On a lighter side: If you have Jilli and Jelli doing a workout, I don't know if it is complete without...Jam or maybe Jim - you could always throw in some Peanut butter or Honey!

Comment #55 - Posted by: Mark R at April 15, 2008 5:41 AM

One more thing: That gym in the video looks awesome. Kudos to the owners and congratulations to the athletes- what a great place to have for WODs.

Comment #56 - Posted by: Mark R at April 15, 2008 5:43 AM

43/M/6'3"/196

Hill Sprints with suck at both ends 10 rounds of:
10 "hindu" push ups (half dive bomber style), sprint up hill (steep 75-100m?), 10 burps (burpee without the standing jump. You always keep your hands on the ground), walk back down for rest between intervals.
1:11
1:22
1:26
1:37
1:43
1:51
1:52
1:56
1:34
1:34
Rest time was about 1:30 between rounds walking back down the hill. Pollen here has been kicking some serious @$$, feel like crapola. Too bad, must embrace the suck.

Comment #57 - Posted by: Bob in NoVA at April 15, 2008 5:44 AM

Nice to meet you, Mango.
Please, only my parents call me by that name. You can call me Pineapple.

Comment #58 - Posted by: David M/27/185/5'10" at April 15, 2008 6:07 AM

What's to argue about the article? They serve our country, they get killed in action, so bring them home.

There are men and women daily in our military and in society who try desperately to save someone, but they're not heard on a national level because it's common place, I suppose. If I'm not mistaken, several good men were taken down because they tried to rescue Murph and his crew. In my opinion, as "valubale" as it is, there is no other honor higher than serving your fellow mankind, especially when the service is at the cost of your own life.

The guys sent by the Carter Administration were in the same boat. The feat they attempted was monumental and the very idea our President (finally pulled the trigger) and military leaders were willing to go so far was inspiring indeed.

Comment #59 - Posted by: James Humphrey, Jr. at April 15, 2008 6:21 AM

I don't know about this "uneven grace" business.

How about this- A "Drunken Grace", we can drink a 6 pack then do Grace. Seems like it would provide the same workout as uneven Grace, maybe even more realistic

Comment #60 - Posted by: Alex84 at April 15, 2008 6:21 AM

#49 Ryan B - yes, dropping the bar and chasing after it every rep slows you down dramatically! Releasing it from the top while keeping your hands on the bar is ideal, with a touch & go at the bottom - just like Mike, Chuck & Jelly did.

I have a partially torn Infraspinatus Tendon in my right shoulder (Rotator Cuff) and can drop under the weight overhead, such as in a Jerk, but can't perform the movement of lowering it down to my shoulders without excruciating pain (you actually see this in my first even clean rep!). I was doing a Split Jerk to get under it better, which also takes more time. Ironically, cleans - even uneven ones - don't bother it at all. I'd love to do this again when the shoulder is better and see what my time could be.

You all are cracking me up with Jilly-Jelli-Jam comments.

Comment #61 - Posted by: Jilly G - BTBCF 30/114/5'3" at April 15, 2008 6:31 AM

Alex84, I think you're a Genius...

Comment #62 - Posted by: Jim G-ville at April 15, 2008 6:31 AM

Ran 5k (22:15) followed by last thursday's deadlift WOD. The deadlift reps are posted to thrusdays comments

Comment #63 - Posted by: canoer_M/31/68"/158 at April 15, 2008 6:33 AM

I dabble somewhat in the reading of Philosophy. The professors are on the mark from a philosophical standpoint, but sometimes philosophy just can't explain things in the world.

I have no evidence to support it, but I think that the "leave no man behind" must make for a stronger fighting force. If you think about a slogan of "Leave a man behind", and what effect that would have on the effectiveness of a fighting force. . .

In Ancient Greek Societies, male children were sent to a warrior teacher of sorts, where supposedly homosexual activity went on. The idea was that if you are in a battle situation, you would be loyal to those around you because of the "bond" between you and your fellow soldiers.

PS- I am not mentioning this to offend anyone, but drawing the same conclusion, that through history, solidarity among fighting forces has been crucial to their success, I don't want to open a wicked can of worms for today's discussion!!!

Comment #64 - Posted by: Alex84 at April 15, 2008 6:37 AM

"When you're saving someone behind enemy lines who's still alive, it seems to me that there are cases where the costs of doing so are so great that they outweigh the benefits," Weber said. "In wars, you just have to accept your losses."


best quote of the whole Yale piece ref'd in the reading. what an asshole.

Comment #65 - Posted by: g at April 15, 2008 6:53 AM

I'm a third year cadet at Canadian Mil Col, going on my Dismounted Infantry Platoon Commander course this summer. My two cents:

Risking soldiers lives to rescue fallen comrades. Eventually, if you measure the utility potentially gained or lost by such operations, you reach a point of diminishing returns.

However, if you examine it from a deontological ethical perspective (duty- or rule-based), whereby the rightness of an act is determined by the underlying rule or principle motivating the act, then you come to a very different conclusion. As a professional soldier, I've been told and tell soldiers, "we'll always come for you." If we didn't ensure that no soldier is left behind, why would we go out in the first place?

Ethically as citizens, morally as human beings, professionally as soldiers, we have a responsibility to bring every soldier home. End of discussion, as far as I'm concerned. The actions of PO Neil Roberts and his comrades embody the highest conduct of a soldier and a brother.

Comment #66 - Posted by: Alex Podiluk at April 15, 2008 7:01 AM

Hoo-ah to all PJs out there

Comment #67 - Posted by: Chris at April 15, 2008 7:06 AM

Uneven grace - That was damn impressive! PRs?? Go figure! Great job, all.

Is there greater risk of injury?

Hale

ps: If only there was a video that showed muscle-ups that was informative and yet wacky. Where oh where can I find one?

Comment #68 - Posted by: Hale at April 15, 2008 7:10 AM

I agree that the "no man left behind" policy is essential to morale and also morally and ethically proper but it's important for at least one other reason. It's a policy that fulfills the same purpose as "never negotiate with terrorists". Having and consistently following this policy sends a clear message to our enemies that it is dangerous to try and use our soldiers as hostages. We won't negotiate for their release; a bunch of angry, trained killers will come and take them back.

Comment #69 - Posted by: RifRafRob at April 15, 2008 7:43 AM

good video, better song

Comment #70 - Posted by: MeC86 at April 15, 2008 7:47 AM

Jelli, Jilly, Chuck, Mike: Sweet vid...impressive work. Congrats!

Comment #71 - Posted by: DaniB at April 15, 2008 7:49 AM

This discussion reminds me of another military peculiarity.

What rational man would stand his ground against a Calvary charge with only a stick to defend himself? Answer, none, but infantry did that for years and won every time, so long as they stuck together. No logical argument is going to convince a civilian seeing those massive horses and sharp lances coming for him that his best chance for survival is with standing his ground. He just has to have faith, stop thinking logically and believe in his fellow soldiers.

We can argue the merits “leave no man behind” till the cows come home, but I doubt soldiers will ever convince anyone using a rational argument, because at the core of it all their motivation isn’t rational. It is just what soldiers do, it is what they have always done, it works as part of the overall scheme of being in the military and they’re gonna keep on doing it no matter the price because leaving someone behind is just not an option they are capable of considering.

Comment #72 - Posted by: KCN at April 15, 2008 7:50 AM

Last post before basic training - I just wanted to thank the Glassmans and also Justin Marcis at Windy City CrossFit for all of their training wisdom and their support of all the athletes who come into their gyms. Take care,

Andrew H. Meador

Comment #73 - Posted by: Andrew H. Meador -M/23/6'4"/215 at April 15, 2008 7:59 AM

#31 Alex the cleans don't have to be full for Grace but I noticed some of the jerks in the video were more push press than anything else. That might be a bit of a form issue there considering the workout is 30 clean and jerks for time.

Comment #74 - Posted by: gaucoin at April 15, 2008 8:11 AM

Anyone else cringe whenever they dropped the bar? It was horror watching that video, especially the women who didn't have bumper plates!!!!

I guess it has always been ingrained into my brain not to drop the weights.

Comment #75 - Posted by: Esty at April 15, 2008 8:14 AM

#29 Sean I know how you feel

Don't have time to leave my apartment. I am writing a 4 page paper and a 7 page script. So instead I made my own little ab workout.

100 ab mat sit ups
90 second plank
80 N ups
70 flutter kicks
60 16kg wind mills (30L/ 30R)
50 second side plank hold(25L/25R)
40 v ups
30 second v up hold
20 KTE
10 second L-sit

I'm calling it "Slim Fast"

not for time, just for kicks and giggles and mid line stability.

Comment #76 - Posted by: Adam/TempleOwl M/74'/185/19 at April 15, 2008 8:19 AM

M/22/6'1"/185

"Five times Grace"
150 Clean and Jerks @135#

23:37

Post: Row 500m 1:24.8

Comment #77 - Posted by: EricBrandom at April 15, 2008 8:41 AM

M/48/150

Made up "Quarter Gone Bad", details there: 75

Andrew Meador: Godspeed fellow Ephman. Please accept my humble thanks for your service.

Comment #78 - Posted by: bingo at April 15, 2008 8:45 AM

19 / f / 5'7 / 142

made up yesterday's Hang Power Cleans
started low (5 at 30 kilos)
worked up to final
1 rep at 47.5 kilos

Comment #79 - Posted by: Janell at April 15, 2008 8:49 AM

Let's re-write Orwell:

"We sleep safe in our beds because learned men stand ready in their offices to visit philosophy on those who would do us harm."

Sorry Yale profs; that kinda loses something in the translation. Leave the tough decisions to the rough men.

Comment #80 - Posted by: john seiler at April 15, 2008 8:52 AM

What's the rx for a new crossfitter who is looking to lose about 100 lbs? I am in fairly good (hahahaha) athletic shape, ie, able to do a largely scaled wod exercises.

Should I complete additional cardio exercises? Additional scaled workouts? Any advice would be helpful, you guys are unbelievable. The faq section of the site is great too-have read through it extensively-just not a whole lot of info on weight loss. Thanks in advance!

Comment #81 - Posted by: JT M/28/6'7"/330 at April 15, 2008 9:07 AM

m/26/215/6-4

175
185
195
205 f
205 f
205 f
195

broken finger hurts this lift

Comment #82 - Posted by: MeC86 at April 15, 2008 9:13 AM

In the spirit of not leaving soldiers behind, I am curious as to what service members and vets on the site think of the new GI Bill and Bush's rationale for opposing it?

Comment #83 - Posted by: rhowk at April 15, 2008 9:22 AM

Hey everyone. I've been serious about crossfit now for about 2 1/2 weeks. Thank you sooo much for the inspiration...despite fighting off a nasty cold and cough, I'm slowly but surly reaching my goal of 10 pullups by the end of the month. Before crossfit I couldn't even do one despite being VERY athletic (swimming, track, olympic weight lifting) throughout my life. Just within the past week, I've gotten 4 pullups for a PR! I've also been working on my dips and can do 5 for a PR.

Any advice on progressing these to muscleups? Is the bar or rings the best place to start? I seem to be getting stuck in the middle...

Comment #84 - Posted by: ALISHA 29/F/5'5"/145 at April 15, 2008 9:29 AM

Jelli, Jilly and Mike - I'll roll with you guys any time... even, uneven, inside, outside, GA, FL, hopper, no hopper just name the time and place. Thanks Tony for creating such a great workout! Love the compliments and critiques. Like form and intensity, YES! I need them both.
Play On.

Comment #85 - Posted by: Chuck C at April 15, 2008 9:58 AM

You're right

Comment #86 - Posted by: Mr. Z at April 15, 2008 10:29 AM

You're right

Comment #87 - Posted by: Mr. Z at April 15, 2008 10:30 AM

You're right

Comment #88 - Posted by: Mr. Z at April 15, 2008 10:31 AM

So killer to know every person in that vid! Jelli, Jilly, MikeG (mah former trainer), Chuck -- aawweeessoommee. Y'all look so SMART! ;)

Comment #89 - Posted by: Kath@crossfitnorthatlanta.com at April 15, 2008 10:35 AM

this su cks

Comment #90 - Posted by: mr x at April 15, 2008 10:39 AM

Those poor 10 lbs. York plates took a beating! The bar would hop lateral after each drop and I kept thinking a plate was going to break. They must be well made.

Comment #91 - Posted by: turtle 30/m/5'11/173 at April 15, 2008 11:47 AM

#79 Alisha
Can't give any specific advice on MUs. Still working on PUs. Am a newbie too.
I will tell you that you'll be hard-pressed to get any advice/reponse from this blog (mostly guys comparing their size...oops, really mean no harm...just being honest fellas!).
Under the forums on the message board you'll find a thread "Where's the Girl Power?" which might help!

Comment #92 - Posted by: Christin at April 15, 2008 11:48 AM

No dropping of the weights and no banging of the dumbells!! HMM... now where have I heard and seen that posted before??

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the plates that the ladies were using I will let you know that they ARE olympic lifting bumper plates. We use them at our gym.

Tony thanks for the great video. Great job to MikeG, Chuck, and Jilly!! You guys were so much fun working out with. Jilly bum shoulder and all, you ROCKED!! Thanks guys. Look forward to another opp.

Comment #93 - Posted by: Jelli at April 15, 2008 12:02 PM

I'm about two weeks out from reporting to my new assignment as a search and rescue pilot. This article is exactly what influenced me to become a helicopter pilot. I think it is kind of paradoxical though. I don't want anyone placing themselves at risk to recover my body, yet I know that I would place myself at risk to recover the bodies of those who had given their lives in combat, if only to provide some peace of mind for their families. I think that is a common mentality in the military. We all want to be selfless towards others, placing ourselves at risk for our buddies, but we don't feel like we deserve the same from them. In any case, I don't need a bunch of Ivy League douchebags who don't know the first thing about sacrifice telling me how to do my job. I think most of the readers on this board will agree...I'm not saying all Ivy Leaguers are douchebags mind you, just the ones who wrote that article (don't want to ruffle any feathers).

Comment #94 - Posted by: Kevin 24/M/5'10"/165 & Rachael at April 15, 2008 12:10 PM

Great video; informative post workout interviews. Really stoked about giving "Uneven Grace" a try.

April 14th's Hang Power Cleans as Rx'd up to a 185# single. Did another six sets of 5 repetitions at 135#; concentrated on form.

Hey, anyone every add agility ladder work to the end of their WOD? Trying to put something together for the days I do 400 M sprints.

Agility Ladder (30 ft.), 4 Rounds
- Singles, Knees High
- Single Leg Slalom Right
- 2 In, 2 Out
- Iggy Shuffle

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Vince Lombardi

Comment #95 - Posted by: Football Ready at April 15, 2008 12:25 PM

#76 JT

It's all about diet. If you do any additional work for weight loss, make it long walks.

Search and read about The Zone and The Paleo Diet. Visit the Forum and read up under Nutrition, post thread(s) with questions after research.

Comment #96 - Posted by: ScottH at April 15, 2008 12:40 PM

#87 Christin

looked for the girl power forum under the message board and i couldn't find it? i would love to look at it! would you be able to post the link?
thanks
caitlin

Comment #97 - Posted by: cken at April 15, 2008 12:48 PM

Just wanted to say that if you get a chance attend the Gymnastics cert. Outstanding instruction, great facilities and lots of useful information.
Roger, Russ, Danny, and Andreas really put forward a great cert and I would recommend it whatever your gymnastic background.

Comment #98 - Posted by: Bill Y at April 15, 2008 12:59 PM

Christian, thank you for the idea for the message board.

#92 Caitlin, once you get to the message board, click on the first forum, "Starting" There you will find many discussions, one of which is the girl power...

Best wishes!

Comment #99 - Posted by: ALISHA 29/F/5'5"/145 at April 15, 2008 1:12 PM

I did the Hanging Power Cleans today (1010 lbs) posted under that comment section. But after the workout we tried a little un-even Grace. The clean is the hard part, once you have the weight balanced it isn't too hard to press. So, what exactly is the point of that exercise? To get the body unbalanced?

Comment #100 - Posted by: Joe C 34/5'5"/155# at April 15, 2008 1:34 PM

First and most important; good luck Andrew. Your time at Crossfit will serve you well in basic. I appreciate your service and all those who voluntarily take on the responsibilites and sacrifices of a military obligation.

Knowing I wouldn't be left behind was a BIG deal to me. It didn't take away the jitters, but it was a comfort. Anyone who has been with others in situations like this understand this commitment to each other. A brotherhood if you will.

Opinions like those expressed in the article come easily to those who risk nothing. Accordingly their opinion holds the same value to me. Nothing.

Comment #101 - Posted by: davidorr at April 15, 2008 1:44 PM


#92 Here's the link. I think you'll find alot more support there. Funny thing is that the thread is one of the most popular on the site!

http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=23010

Comment #102 - Posted by: christin at April 15, 2008 2:19 PM

I Got My Fist two Muscle Ups today! Yeah me!

I have been trying to get a muscle up since January. Today, I was doing the regular crossfit warm up and the first set of pull ups I did were strict and I was focusing on bringing the bar to my chest. The second set I did working on kipping really big. The third set I wanted to do singles focusing on a really fast hard pull to my chest. On my 12th rep I tried to get one arm over the top of the bar as the bar hit my chest. I got my arm over and held it there for a second. On the 13th and 14th rep I did the same thing and I held it longer. On the fifteenth rep I got one elbow over and then the other and pushed up and locked out over the top of the bar and then yelled "I got it, I finally got a muscle up". I came down and immediately got another! Three was not in the cards though after having done 43 pull ups and 2 muscle ups, I was done, and very happy about it. I know, it was a muscle up on a bar and I used a kip and I went one arm over at a time, but its a start and I'll have it on the rings in good form soon, I think :>)

I don't know who to thank more for enabling me to get a muscle up. Thanks Coach for the excellent instruction, you're an urn of knowledge and so is everyone else who has a video posted on this site. Thanks to Dr. Sears for showing me the zone which stripped of ten pounds of jelly. And thanks to ..... Mango for the very good, and bizarre instruction on getting a muscle up on a bar. Can you tell I'm just gushing about getting a muscle up? I'll shut up know.

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

Comment #103 - Posted by: Billy at April 15, 2008 2:39 PM

AllisonNYC-from yesterday's post-when you were wondering whether you would be able to see yourself in the Ann Arbor cert pic-if you can see the camera, the camera can see you. For someone who loves the camera as much as you do, I would think that you would know how it works.

I can't wait to see your next video...

Did you ever think of a career in journalism or in filming documentaries about your own life?

Comment #104 - Posted by: Mark M at April 15, 2008 2:41 PM

Question ????????????????????????????????????????


Does anybody hands hurt when receiving the bar on a hang power clean? Especially around the thumb area.


Thank you

Comment #105 - Posted by: Junstr at April 15, 2008 2:52 PM

40/M/175

135, 145, 155, 165(PR), 175(f), 175(f), 165

Comment #106 - Posted by: d at April 15, 2008 2:55 PM

This is buddy and I's Crossfit blog. We train crossfit in the globo 5 days a week and one day at Crossfit! We use this blog to post our Globo experience's. Some are pretty funny!


http://crossfitglobo.com/2008/04/15/just-pokin-some-fun-at-globo/

Comment #107 - Posted by: Snake at April 15, 2008 3:10 PM

Went back in time today to March 1st, the day I jacked up my left ankle, so I could take on Angie, the WOD that left me gimped. Well I can't say I beat her but at least I finished it and learned some lessons along the way.

17:50 as rx'd, 21 seconds slower than my PB. I went in mentally ready and fully pumped up, the chins went really well but I stalled at the push ups (form better with wider hands) and then my sit ups were really slow from being fatigued from holding my back straight for 100 push ups. Squats were slower due to my legs not being used to high reps so overall I wasn't too tired at the end, just beat up.

Next time I'm gonna rip this b&^$h a new one.

Comment #108 - Posted by: gaucoin at April 15, 2008 3:34 PM

Amen to the article.

Going to miss tomorrow's workout, so did a light one today...

jumped rope for 10 minutes at a good pace, mixing in double unders and sprints; then did 5 rounds of:

10 reps w/ 135 benchpress
10 K2E w/ 90 degree arm bend

Comment #109 - Posted by: mbalanda at April 15, 2008 3:36 PM

I'm glad I'm a Marine and not a professor at Yale. Must be lonely there with no one you care enough about to risk your life.

Andrew - Welcome aboard! Since you call it 'basic training' I assume you are going to a different branch but we are all brothers. Semper Fi!

Comment #110 - Posted by: JPW at April 15, 2008 3:51 PM

Andrew-Best wishes for Basic. Hope you still find time to make your presence felt here in the comments, as your insight and advice is always valuable. Thank you for your service.

Comment #111 - Posted by: Denver Sheepdog M/34/5'9/165#/CFT=880 at April 15, 2008 4:13 PM

m/53/180
I did "Fran" today because I am on a different schedule right now.
As RX'd
7:16 PR
I appreciate having my legs both work again after surgery 2 months ago

Comment #112 - Posted by: joetoledo at April 15, 2008 4:29 PM

Jelli's voice is sooooo sexy!

Comment #113 - Posted by: Raze at April 15, 2008 4:34 PM

I was startled to click on the link the article provided-- I studied philosophy at Yale and took courses from every professor quoted. They are all extremely intelligent men and devoted teachers, and I'm confident that none of them meant to insult or demean those involved in Operation Anaconda. At the same time, as their comments make clear, none of them have served in the military.

Many of the professors ground their remarks in utilitarian values when they discuss the ethical or moral implications of Leave No Man Behind. In the article Professor Adams "emphasized that a clear distinction must be drawn between rescuing living soldiers and retrieving the bodies of dead soldiers under extremely dangerous conditions. 'The latter seems morally unwise,' Adams said." It's hard to make sense of this comment unless Professor Adams meant "the costs outweigh the benefits" when he said "morally unwise."

But even if it was the case that "the costs outweigh the benefits" when it comes to recovering battlefield casualties, that utilitarian logic seems grossly out of place on the battlefield. It is for good reason that soldiers, Marines, and other servicemembers refer to their unit as a Band of Brothers. Serving in combat binds men together and not even death can take that away. The soldier's impulse to make great sacrifices to recover his brother is not something that is taught, or reasoned.

It is not the job of the philosopher to build artificial structures and then criticize the world for not conforming to them. Rather, the philosopher should seek to understand the world as it is and explain that world to us.

Any CrossFitters out there who have the privilege of attending our nation's banner colleges and universities, think hard about military service.

Comment #114 - Posted by: Peter at April 15, 2008 4:49 PM

Rested Saturday and Sunday so no rest for me today.

Did Linda as Rx'd

DL: 265
BP: 175
Clean: 135

23:49

Comment #115 - Posted by: LT_Dan_M.22.5'10".175# at April 15, 2008 4:51 PM

I am new to this and so far LOVE IT!!! Question: What is PR that they mentioned on Uneven Grace?

Comment #116 - Posted by: Nicki at April 15, 2008 4:54 PM

29/f/112

Hang Power cleans

85-90-90-95-95-100-105(PR)

pre: wux2
post: OHS 65x15 75x3 80x1 90x1

HPC are so tough for me, previous PR 95#. cant get under the bar fast enough.

Comment #117 - Posted by: nadia shatila at April 15, 2008 5:15 PM

Andrew-Best wishes for Basic. Hope you still find time to make your presence felt here in the comments, as your insight and advice is always valuable. Thank you for your service.

Comment #118 - Posted by: Denver Sheepdog M/34/5'9/165#/CFT=880 at April 15, 2008 5:24 PM

I was going to rest but the track coach couldn't make it today (I'm a high school teacher), so I led the track team through some metcon based on available equipment.

three rounds:

1 min 26" box jumps
1 min dumbbell swings (25-45 lbs, depending on the size of the kid)
1 min burpees
1 min Jump rope (I did double-unders)
1 min rest

3 Kids gave up. 8 made it to the end and collapsed on the floor with me. I'll be recruiting the 8 for the wrestling team I'm starting next year.

Comment #119 - Posted by: Ben W at April 15, 2008 5:25 PM

I feel like I must have read a different article. Some of the professors discuss the importance of solidarity in terms of insuring morale.

There's obviously an important difference between talking about something and doing that something. I'm sure the professors are not mistaking the two.

Comment #120 - Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2008 5:41 PM

Uneven Grace is sick! Good work to all.

Comment #121 - Posted by: Nikehead at April 15, 2008 6:12 PM

Can't work out tommorrow so did Fight Gone Bad today. Best yet at 219 pts as rx'd.
Stephen

Comment #122 - Posted by: Stephen at April 15, 2008 6:26 PM

uneven grace, with 115# - 6:47

tricky, surprising since my dominant side was weaker on the push jerks. I'd like to thank my celebrity trainer Mike for being in the video that convinced me to try this.

Comment #123 - Posted by: casey_CFATL m/21/170# at April 15, 2008 6:28 PM

I am just getting back into posting lately, but I still look at the comments every now and again...I haven't seen any posts from Kate (jknl) for a while. I have always loved her posts...so positive and supportive! Am I just missing her posts or is she not posting anymore? I hope all is well with her and her family...any info?

Comment #124 - Posted by: Valerie S. at April 15, 2008 6:29 PM

did Linda today:

Deadlift: 255
Bench Press: 170
Clean: 115

Deadlift and Bench Press were as Rx'D...Clean was struggling...20 lbs. off

Comment #125 - Posted by: pelch at April 15, 2008 6:40 PM

I just wanted to echo what Bill Y said re: the Gymnastics Cert. Roger, Russ, Danny, and Andreas are all top notch instructors whose knowledge base is on par with Burgener and Rippetoe. I think that their cert should be considered manditory along with the Oly and Powerlifting certs. Gymnastics is at the heart of Crossfit, yet it is poorly understood by most. Plus, you'll get worked physically and love every minute of it. Thanks guys!

Comment #126 - Posted by: ryan w at April 15, 2008 7:55 PM

Regarding Uneven Grace

I am right hand dominant. Therefore, I carry the groceries in my left arm and unlock the car with my right.
My left arm has always been stronger than my right. I have always attributed it to carrying loads on the left while the right does all the fine motor skills.

My two cents

Comment #127 - Posted by: kimberly at April 15, 2008 8:02 PM

I think the philosophical utilitarian argument by the Yale professors hold A LOT of truth, but like everyone is saying, the frame of reference is a bit skewed for these people because of the lack of military experience. Truth be told, and to take as much emotion out of it as necessary, to never leave a brother behind creates a bond that creates elite fighting forces, which has incredible utility. The way a group of individuals bonded under extreme heat and pressure has the potential to have more use than years of training.

but thats just my take. . .

Comment #128 - Posted by: Daniel at April 15, 2008 8:07 PM

Cant wait any longer...post the new workout!!!

Comment #129 - Posted by: john gvsu at April 15, 2008 8:33 PM

Just starting out w/ crossfit as of the other day.
going light, w/ basics.

Did 5 rounds of DB HSC (20lb) & Slap P/u's 8 minutes 45 seconds.

Comment #130 - Posted by: ired at April 16, 2008 3:30 AM

made up qtr gone bad
43 m 6' 212#
thruster 4,5,5,5,5=24
pullup 7,7,6,6,6=32
burpee 5,5,6,5,5=26

total=82
i can see how someone with great form can get more thrusters, someone with better pullup str. can get a couple more pullups, but i really don't see how anyone can do more than 1 burpee per 3 seconds with good form.

this was one of those that for 3 rounds is relatively easy, then the last two really sneak up on you. 135# thrusters are always tough.

Comment #131 - Posted by: mtvet at April 16, 2008 7:26 AM

25/m/175

PT Test today...
1.5 mile run: 9:34
1 min, max push-ups: 78
1 min, max sit-ups: 56

Comment #132 - Posted by: Brunzi at April 16, 2008 10:47 AM

25/m/175

PT Test...
1.5 mile run: 9:34
1 min, max push-ups: 78
1 min, max sit-ups: 56

Comment #133 - Posted by: Brunzi at April 16, 2008 10:48 AM

Couple quick thoughts, as I have burgers on the Foreman.

Most academics dont' think anything is worth fighting for. If you ask them, they will tell you that sure, some things are worth fighting for, but they won't be the ones doing it, and when you try to pin them down just what is worth fighting for, you can drive them back to their own end zone, and score.

That end zone is a foundational desire to reduce human beings to objects. The logic is simple: inequality results from qualitative differences between people. Things like courage, honor, sacrifice. Since the goal is to eliminate inequality, we have to get rid of "irrational" attachments to notions of the sort that compel soldiers to risk their lives and die saving bodies.

In a paper a couple of you have seen, I have in fact argued that the entirely of leftism is built upon the premise of eliminating virtue outside of conformity to the collective.

Nothing, in other words, is sacred. Sacrifice is literally "act of the sacred". When a soldier dies for his or her country, that is an act of the sacred, and retrieving that body is also an act of the sacred. That body is a visible remnant of an act making all of us more human by our collective attachment to one another.

After long struggle, I have come to understand the sacred as a means of qualitatively transforming pedestrian troubles into happiness, contentment, and joy. Quite often this transformation happens through pride.

To take one example, no one would argue that it is easy to be Marine, but most all Marines are very proud of who they are, and what they suffered. This is the process and the point of the sacred.

Societies are held together, and indeed defined by what they hold sacred. Religion, for example, comes in my understanding from "religio", which means "to bind".

Religion, as a principle repository of the sacred, comes under attack by anyone who wants to remake society in the name of eliminating "inequalities", which amounts to differences in strength of character, honesty, courage, etc. Effectively, the goal is to eliminate the strong and good in favor of the weak and corrupt. This is what we have seen every time Leftist ideas have been tried, as for example in China, North Korea, and Cuba and Iran.

No doubt Obama had this residual retention of non-leftist sacred values in mind when he indicated religion was something people of a certain sort "lean" on. He obviously has grown beyond religion, and now understands that the point of the Church is anti-capitalist, anti-bourgeois agitation, which is what he came to Chicago to do in the first place.

The point, though, here, is that the military also acts as a system for the propagation and expansion of non-contingent, non-ironic support of ideals like courage, honor, and country. For this reason, leftists have a great deal of trouble supporting soldiers, even though this time around their propaganda is better calibrated.

I'm sure I'll have more to say later.

Comment #134 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at April 16, 2008 3:03 PM

From the Yale article:

"When you're saving someone behind enemy lines who's still alive, it seems to me that there are cases where the costs of doing so are so great that they outweigh the benefits," Weber said. "In wars, you just have to accept your losses."

Having served 5 years in the Marines and being a Professional Fireman now, I can say with much conviction... F-THAT DR WEBBER, YOU ASSHAT!
Part of being in the Military if the unspoken faith that the people you serve with will have your back no matter what.

But, I would also tell my teamates that if I have fallen, do not risk anything to save my body. My body is the shell and vehicle of my soul, my family and friends dont need that to honor or remember me.
It would be very sad to think that a brother or sister got wasted trying to save my dead carcas.

Comment #135 - Posted by: Jonas Smith at April 16, 2008 4:36 PM

I think the following two quotes deserve some comment:

"We care about objects we have histories with," Philosophy Professor Shelly Kagan explained. "Obviously you've been through a lot with your body. Even when the thing is broken, it still has some kind of emotional importance and value."

This is the comment of someone who has lost contact fully with the sacred. She considers not only other people--and their bodies even while living, presumably--to be objects, functionally. She also considers the relationship we have with ourselves--if such a thing is even possible--to be one of subject/object, or even object/object.

In short, the essence of existence, for her, is material, and our consciousness, and how we organize it in purposive activity, to be essentially contingent, and therefore philosophically meaningless. The goal in her philosophical activity, then, is presumable description, but not prescription.

You see further evidence of that in this quote: "Adopting an essentially utilitarian position, Kagan pointed out that "in our culture there is some importance given to the possession of the body of a loved one."

She states "in our culture" as if she were external to it, and as if she--by virtue of commenting--were not taking an active part in the creation of it. She externalizes the sentiment, so as to draw blame from the fact that she has lost her moorings, and is drifting aimlessly.

She has lost all moral compass by which to navigate what one ought to do, and is left with merely articulating the obvious with less skill and less usefulness than a car mechanic giving driving directions.

For that, of course, she earned tenure at an Ivy League school. In my view, the job of academics in the Humanities ought to be to hold the middle, to protect the values which define our liberal society. Instead, they dropped the weapons of courage and coherence, and ran screaming long ago from the battlefield. They kept, as I see often, irony.

One other semi-relevant point I wanted to make is that we constantly hear now how soldiers don't fight for abstractions, but for each other. Everybody likes to repeat this, now.

I don't doubt that in large measure this is true, in the heat of battle. However, what draws people to the military, quite often, and what keeps them there, is not just that but a sense of committment to our nation and the ideals we seek to embody and express. Our soldiers, in general, are very sincere patriots. They are not blind to the frequent stupidities of our government--often they are afflicted with them--but still view this nation, on balance, as worth the trouble.

By extentions, this notion that soldiers fight for their friends is in my view distressingly convenient for those who want to work for the failure of the very efforts within the context of which that becomes an issue.

In effect, what I hear is that it was OK to spit on soldiers in the Vietnam era since they were just fighting for each other, not America, anyway.

Or, it is OK to work to vitiate the hard-fought gains our military at great cost and with great skill has won for us in Iraq, because it's not like they love America anyway. They are fighting for their friends.

This is an impression that perhaps will not bear sustained scrutiny, but it is my gut read on this. Certain types of people are constantly working to confuse issues any way they can, and my learned habit is perennial scepticism.

I should add a positive note. From what I hear, each service takes care of its own, but is not always quite as willing and eager to sacrifice for distressed members of other services. Perhaps it shouldn't be that way, but the reality is that some bonds are tighter than others.

Given that, the actions of TSgt. John Chapman bear mentioning. An Air Force member, he heroically gave his life working to get the rescue team to Roberts. He won the Air Force Cross.

Here's the link: http://www.pjsinnam.com/War_on_Terror/Chapman/Chapman.htm

So did Jason Cunningham:

http://www.pjsinnam.com/War_on_Terror/Cunningham/Cunningham.htm

We are truly blessed to have people like this fighting for us.

Comment #136 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at April 16, 2008 6:35 PM

Can't work out tomorrow nite, so did a light one tonite:

Jumped rope at a good pace for 10min
5 rounds of:

135lb benchpress (10 reps)
K2E (90 degree arm bend; 10 reps)

Comment #137 - Posted by: mbalanda at April 16, 2008 7:34 PM

Did this yesterday, 5:30 with 35kg = 15+20

Comment #138 - Posted by: Tamas at April 21, 2008 12:52 AM

Great Idea....I've been doing uneven DB and BB thrusters for the past 6 months (on and off) I do this my atheles as well...Though we haven't used it with the Oly lifts.

It really throws people off on the first transition/switch sides.

Great Vid

Jason

Comment #139 - Posted by: Jason Stacy at April 21, 2008 10:32 AM

Great Vid,

I've been doing uneven thrusters (DB and BB) for the past 6 months or so...even us eit with my athlete's. Really love..
Though we haven't used uneven BB w/the oly lifts.

Comment #140 - Posted by: Jason Stacy at April 21, 2008 10:33 AM

Who is the artist that has redone the Boston song More than a feeling!!!???

Comment #141 - Posted by: Jon at April 23, 2008 8:27 AM

Barry - always adding something.

I think this issue deserves more treatment than simply "leave no man behind". I'm a Marine officer since 1991 and I remember well the discussions at TBS about "not reinforcing failure" as an infantry platoon commander, and having to potnetially "abandon" one squad in order to win the battle. E.g. Let's suppose your initial attack in support of 1st squad stalls - in fact 1st sqd in getting hammered - and second squad, the diversion, now finds itself in the gap. You may have to make the brutal decision to let 1st sqd fend for itself in order to "exploit the gap". We argued for hours about this and our instructors, many Gulf War Vets at the time, were quite adamant about having to be this cold for the ultimate success of the mission. Somehow, though, we also have a coexistent ethic that we will not leave our fallen comrades behind us. The actions of the the 1st Marine Division at Chosin Reservoir in carrying out their dead is the stuff of legend. I think the professors are trying to find a way to articulate or understand this possible contradiction - the seeming utilitarian approach to mission accomplishment at all cost (including the loss of life), but they're not able to. If you were on a LRRP and someone died, would you cnx the mission to carry their body back? Nope, you've got a mission to accomplish. Mark the body, honor him by accomplishing the mission, come back and get him if you can.

Yet we do things like "Black Hawk Down" (and I've heard CWO Mike Durant speak in person) - I'm not sure there is a way to reconcile these two positions. We just do.

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