DOMS is a l3!tch

I'm in love with this rest day.

The word of the day is OUCH :)

So, I'm jealous of my 16 month old daughter. She is just starting to walk and gets up and down in the most beautiful squat that it has me jealous. I can barely break parallel when I squat and she's scraping diaper on the floor at the bottom position. I always tell her, "Nice technique..." and she looks at me like "what..." Good times.

There article is strange. It reads like a chapter in a history text, yet uses never-defined double-speak such as "new media" and "old media". In any case it is an interesting discussion about a strange time: lies told about one man via legitimate media, truth told about another man via forged documents. I suspect these types of things will pale in comparison to the insane mudfest that is about to start.

RE: the article for today -
Moral - Don't take anything at face value. Even if it looks real, it could be a fake. Always do your due diligence and ask some hard questions to get to the truth. As President Reagan would say, "Trust, but verify."

To #3 - bkedelen - "truth told about another man via forged documents." What exactly are you saying here? That President Bush dodged his duties as a young Air Force lieutenant? I think not.

This article doesn't seem to be very timely or relevant. Perhaps the discussion should be focused on the Bush Administration's failure to understand the complexities of nation building...or its inability to draw upon W's vast military experience as a pilot for the Texas Air National Guard.

#5 - Turbo - I would agree that the administration failed to understand nation-building. There were many mistakes made, in my opinion, going into Iraq; however, I think the train wreck cleanup is going pretty well right now. A great read about the many missteps of the Administration going into Iraq are laid out in "Fiasco" by Tom Ricks.

As my foregoing relates to the article, well, I'd have to say that perhaps the President and his most trusted advisors were swayed to heavily by too little in the way of documented proof to support our Iraq invasion. Much like the documents produced by CBS to support the bs about the President's military service.

Just in case anyone is planning on taking a trip in the near future, make sure you do at least a few exercises here and there while you're gone. 3 weeks laziness and gluttony will reintroduce you to that burning soreness you met on your first week of painfit.

sigh.

Another crossfit certification seminar at CrossFit Charlotte on the same weekend I have drill. First this month and now in March. If I wasn't prep'ing for a mob maybe I'd think about getting excused from drill.

Merry Christmas!

Steve, leaving your thoughts aside, lets examine the facts:
Bush was accepted into the Texas Air National Guard with only a 25% on the pilot's aptitude test, the lowest grade acceptable. He was then trained and flew interceptor aircraft, but did so out of Ellington Air Force Base, which is in Texas, not in Vietnam, where is country was at war. No proof has ever been presented that he did not dodge the duties to which he was assigned, so we have no grounds to determine either way if he dodged his assigned duties. However, it can be conclusively demonstrated by his test scores and subsequent insubstantial value to the united states armed forces that he is in no way representative or associated with the spirit or legacy of those forces. The false documentation presented by CBS revealed this, but did so dishonestly.

Maybe the forum would be a better place to discuss this question, but i'll pose it here: For all of you who have went to the endurance sport certification, is it a cert for running, swimming, biking and rowing or only a portion of those? Are there any write-ups like there were for the CrossFit Certs covering briefly the seminars of the day and major lessons learned? I'm interested in getting some feedback from people who have gone.

bkedelen,
So the terrorists planned the attack on 9/11 in Pakistan/SA/Syria. Not here, but there. So you can't prove they didn't actually make the attack or carry it through. Yeah, right, tell the people in the towers and planes. Go smoke a little more and stick to your conspiracy theories.
Not to slam you because I assume you're liberal, I don't agree with GWB on social issues, but national defense is our existence.
Dan Rather can go live on his ranch and shut his yap. What about objective journalism? Mainstream media doesn't know what it's about.

Interesting and fun read... although I wish the pajama bloggers would pursue more relevant/substantial topics. I really do not care what Bush's service record is/was...I would however like to know more about Abu Ghraib, Negroponte, Libby's commutation, WRAMC, Hurricane Katrina, Halliburton, Exec Order 13233, Pat Tillman, US attornies, and many many more. Lets pursue the truth behind these stories with as much vigor as debunking some forged documents.

#9 - bdkedelen

I disagree.

I take a back seat to no one is my disdain for President Bush. He is a small man in a big job who mistakes a reflexive prejudice for the simple-minded for "moral clarity." President Bush values loyalty over competence, a character defect that has done great harm. And it is indisputable that family connections got the young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

All that said, the CBS report was indefensible. What you call "false documentation" cannot "reveal" anything. The "fake but true" argument cannot withstand scrutiny. Journalists must not rely on falsified documents to prove a larger truth. They have only two honorable options:
- exclude false documents and rely on other evidence for use in a modified version of the story
- broadcast nothing

CBS failed miserably to authenticate the documents.
But it broadcast a story, relying heavily on the documents, anyway. That was the error.

CBS could have had an accurate, but less sensational, story about Bush's service without using the documents. But the CBS fiasco brought all journalistic scrutiny of Bush's service to a halt.

More importantly, in the firestorm that followed CBS
felt obliged to postpone a much more important "60 minutes" story that questioned the basis of the decision to go to war in Iraq.

Talk about irony....

#9-bkedelen

You talk of facts but say,
"However, it can be conclusively demonstrated by his test scores and subsequent insubstantial value to the united states armed forces that he is in no way representative or associated with the spirit or legacy of those forces."

Sounds more like an editorial than an examination of facts. It should be known that President Nixon and Johnson decided not to call up the National Guard from '68-'74. Bush, while in the National Guard, did not have the opportunity to deploy.

STOKER: Are you talking about the POSE Running and Endurance Sport Training Cert? If so, it's just being introduced. I'm going on the 26th so I'll you know what I think. I need all the help I can get with my running and endurance training. They're going to teach the POSE method of running. Very interesting. Click on the cert link where it says Running and Endurance Sports Training Cert and it will give you some information.

I was a swimmer and could do laps for hours. Before starting CrossFit I couldn't run half a block. The only running I did was for the bus and I felt like I was going to die. That means to me that endurance doesn't always transfer over to different sports. So maybe they'll address the differences in endurance training for all sports.
I could be wrong. Any swimmer/runners out there have the same experience?

I can't wait to go and learn. .. and meet EVA.

That dog is money!

Who knows the direct connection to this rest day article and CrossFit??

Just finished my lunges. Did it in my house so I did 400. Time:16 minutes. I don't think I will be able to snowboard this week as planned, just hoping I'll be able to walk.

Gnat

enough with the politics already.
remember 118% of all statistics are made up.

Good points Daniel. I agree that the false documentation reveals nothing about Bush, and cannot be used to indict him in any way. Of course it was also indefensible for CBS to use the documents in any way. Nevertheless some important conclusions which were drawn from the contents of the documents are still true, because they can be easily proven using other factual sources such as his terrible test scores and privileged posting. In addition, the admittedly loathsome act committed by CBS in attempting to pass off false documentation as news pales in comparison to the Swift Boaters, who knowingly and falsely decried an honest to god american war hero for political gain. I understand that the gentlemen associated with the Swift Boat campaign were not bound by journalistic integrity like CBS, but what they did will long be remembered as one of the most cowardly and indefensible acts of deceit ever perpetrated during an presidential election.

I, for one, would love to know this article's connection to crossfit. It must be a strong one to supersede current issues such as the fact that I live in a country that tortures secret prisoners and my buddies are being shot to pad Cheney's stock portfolio.

I just saw a little bit of TNA wrestling and I gotta know...is Greg A. related to Kurt Angle?

For myself this article delivers a more introspective response. I grew up in a different sort of dogmatic system known as the Church. What I have learned since leaving that path, is that it is always best to assume that regardless of how much the actions of the person at issue seem to reveal a conspiratorial intent they are probably acting out of a sincere belief. Whether that belief is rightly or wrongly held is a very different issue.

I think that the most interesting point that this article brings to light is the fact that Mr. Rather and others continued to defend the documents long after there was overwhelming evidence that they were forged. Though I don't care for Mr. Rather's politics, I have to assume that he isn't making himself out to look like an idiot out of stubornness or political dogma, but rather that he remained convinced that the documents were legitimate (and perhaps still does). To me the lesson here is be VERY careful about what you believe and always strive against your bias. I'm fairly competitive by nature and am terrible at really examining the facts that oppose my thinking when I am out to make a point. For Dan Rather that turned out to be a career ending flaw. I'm just thankful that I don't have nation full of people ready to pounce on my mistakes and make mince meat out of me, especially because the consequences would probably be justified as I believe they were here.

Joey,

I'd say......CrossFit Atlanta, and that MacDougal character. The one with the sharp eye, keen wit, and great sense of humor.

bedelen,

'Nevertheless some important conclusions which were drawn from the contents of the documents are still true, because they can be easily proven using other factual sources such as his terrible test scores and privileged posting.'

Some important conclusions come from lies because they can be easily proven by speculation and innuendo.

*nods knowingly*

Bummer, my post was caught by the spam filter. I know the answer Joey, I had the good fortune of meeting the gentleman at CFSC early last year and discussing the event, and his new affiliation. Great character.

J roCk,
Is it still possible to get in on the insanity that is going to ensue this weekend at Primal Fitness? This workout sounds like it's gonna be awesome. I'm up in Baltimore and am always down for a good CrossFit A%@ kicking. A couple friends may come out as well if there's room. Thanks.

John

As Rx'd; not scaled ;-)

I'm waiting for the smear campaigns to begin for the next election. These two parties are an sorry joke... if only it didn't effect us so much.

You have to understand that people who get into politics are pretty much slimey weasels to begin with and only get worse the longer they are involved in it. Regardless of sherked duties while in the ANG, it is well known that people went into the NG as a legitimate way to keep from going to Vietnam. The truth is more fun than fiction.

So many conspiracies, so little time.

#15 AllisonNYC

I always thought and observed that if you can run it doesn't mean you can swim and if you can swim you can definately run. I think if you keep your legs somewhat active then the endurance should carry over with the lungs. If you never move around on your legs then the breathing you develop from swimming is wasted. I got one of my buddies into swimming and after 2 months his 2 mile run time was 30 seconds shorter.

In AUG I swam 112 miles in one month when I finally ran again my 2 mile was great, but I was hurting if I went past 3 miles.

400 meters as Rx'd 419 lunges 18:32. It was 23o at 23:45 when we finished. Then we had a house fire. I think I might try ice baths today.

#13 Daniel Freeman
All great points, you spoke my mind.

Interestingly, the way many of the news channels now seem to be getting around the need for rigor in their stories is by claiming that their main anchors are “News personalities” rather than reporters. Apparently this means they aren’t as responsible for content anymore. I think we all lost more than we gained from this fiasco and the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Rather. You can’t always expect news shows like 60 minutes to be completely unbiased, but you have to count on them to be honest and to only present information from sources of the highest calibre.

I found it a bit amusing that this article puts such emphasis on the high quality investigation of the blogosphere here. Their immediate questions were along the lines of “How can we show this isn’t true?” without really asking the question “Could this be true?”. That seems to be pretty much the going strategy for these guys, as well as their mirrors on the left. Right and left bloggers have attacked every single comment made by every journalist, politician, and TV personality that has ever said anything about anything since Bush was first elected. Occasionally they are going to get one right. It reminds me of the old saying that “If you give a monkey a typewriter, eventually he’s going to type a word”.

More scandalous to me is the hypocrisy of these bloggers. The same bloggers accusing Rather of using dubious documents to support his liberal bias, were simultaneously applauding the Swift Boat group who, by my understanding, provided no documents or evidence for peddling their trash.

I really loved the rest day article.

Dan McD....is Harry your brother????? I never put the two together until now!

You must be very proud of him. I know I would be. Glad to know those tenacious traits run in the family.

CCT Joey, RossB

The connections and relevance to CrossFit are at least these:

CrossFit's astounding growth & Dan Rather's downfall are both directly attributable to the amazing power internet to give truth a fighting chance against the power of moneyed BS.

The reluctant hero of that story, the one who started the whirlwind, is a CrossFit guy, and has been an occasional commenter on rest days for several years.

Finally, as happened when it became obvious that the CBS memos were forgeries, we can probably expect someone to claim that posting this link proves that Coach Glassman is part of a Karl Rove conspiracy to discredit liberals.

What does the term DOMS refer too? I read it on here and don t have a clue what it means. I m guessin its an acronym for something

CCTJoey-I see the link between the rest day reading and CrossFit as follows.
Dan Rather and 60 Minutes were old school and set in their ways. Just like globo gym and the "triathletes are the fittest/bodybuilders are the strongest" schools of thought.
The memos Rather reported on were taken apart like wildfire via the web, relying on knowledgable bloggers all over the world. Just like CrossFit, which is spreading like wildfire via the web, relying on Coach & staff's incredible knowledge which they're freely sharing with anyone who can read. Add to that a community like this one, and the Rather's of the fitness world don't stand a chance.

#32 Roy-DOMS=Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness

Storms: Thanks

Roy: DOMS Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness..
means it hurts a day or two after exercise. Or in my case, it hurts like HECK and cripples you so you can't freakin walk without saying OUCH.
No seriously people I can't remember the last time my legs and butt felt like this. I took asprin and had a friend come over to rub my legs and it didn't help. I'm thinking about booking a massage for today but I'm not sure I could take it.

OK I'll stop complaining before I get sprayed with the YBF (Roy thats You'll Be Fine spray. Water in a bottle labled YBF which is sprayed on sissys and complainers) Does anyone else have that in their gym or is it just the twisted guys at the Black Box?

Thanx Allison. My butt hurts too!! I ve only been crossfitting for about 4 months so the acronyms and slang I m still catchin up on. Thanks again.

Here's my morning's WOD in Rochester,NY:
21, 15, 9 reps for time of:
135 lbs (of snow) Shovel thrusters
95 lbs rock salt bucket swings
400 Meter sprint after the snow plow when he buries your driveway.

The Article -

Just another example of how the media is so left they can't see straight. Oh I know all the lefties say that the media is straighter than an arrow. Sure thing.

All aside, in the end we'll have justice for all on this earth

jg

Holy DOMS Batman!

#30 - RJ
As a recovering news director, let me offer some
thoughts about opinionated "news personalities." I have fewer objections than you do. All I ask is for more truth in advertising in how these programs are promoted. I happen to find Lou Dobbs's politics loathsome. But he does a provocative program that gives plenty of airtime to opponents. What I don't like is the way he drags "real" CNN reporters into the proceedings. At the end of stories, they are left twisting in the wind across the anchor desk as Lou fulminates. They are in agony, and I feel sorry for them. So I'd feel better if Lou developed his own stable of reporters. He should also provide viewers with a few more visual cues that what they are watching isn't a newscast. (O'Reilly and Olberman do better in making clear that viewers are watching an opinion show.)

Point of view documentaries also have their place. They present the film maker's opinion. There is nothing wrong with that.

All of which leads to a basic rule of journalistic ethics:
Things should be what they appear to be.

The whole idea of journalistic objectivity is relatively recent. Nineteenth century American newspapers were openly partisan. Many European papers still are.

Objectivity can even be thought of as a marketing gimmick -- something wire services came up with at the end of the 19th century when they wanted to sell their services to papers of all political stripes.

With the advent of the blogosphere and opinionated TV programs. we are seeing a return to the open partisanship of an earlier era. It's not at all clear to me that this is a bad thing. The public is often well served
by many loud and competing voices who fact check each other.

bkedelen - and other subscribers to the fake but accurate line.

The documents are fake and the story is a lie.

1. Staudt and Hodges, the people who actually knew directly told the producer, Mary Mapes, (a) that no political pressure was used to gain his admittance and (b) there were open slots for pilots at the time. See Thornburg-Boccardi Report, ("Report") (http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/complete_report/CBS_Report.pdf) p. 131, n. 73-74. There is conflicting information about this, but you would never hear that from CBS.

2. He went to Alabama with everyone's blessing and would take the physical when he returned. - so said Col. Hodges. Report, p. 103. According to Hodges, Killian was never upset that Bush went to Alabama. They were winding down because the war was winding down. Killian's widow said he loved Bush and would have campaigned for him if he were still alive. Mapes told folks at CBS that Hodges had authenticated the documents and the essentials of the story - both flagrant lies.

3. Mapes was told flat out by two of her document examiners that the documents were bogus, James, Report, p. 85, 193, 108, and Will, Report. p. 84-85, 106-107. She responded to James "F*ck the th!" (Report, p. 108) and told CBS management that all the experts had authenticated the documents. Matley only authenticated the signatures, not the documents. She told management he had authenticated the documents, and that the other experts deferred to him - but they didn't. Report, p. 85, 108. Hodges repudiated the story and the terminology of the documents. Report, p. 103.

4. The catalog of lies in the broadcast is incredible. See Report, pp. 123-132.

It is upon this foundation that The Flat Earth Society has built the Fake But Accurate wing of their headquarters.

Yep the DOMS are certainly here!! Although 2nd days DOMS is always worse!! lol

Has anyone noticed how the acronym for DOMS is very simliar to WODS!!! Maybe it's just me but they seem to be a bit close for comfort!!! Comfort?? Whats that then?? A distant memory?!?!? ;-)

AllisonNYC if you have access to a plunge pool at your gym try the hot and cold treatment after training. I find 5-10 minutes of hot and 2-3 minutes of cold cycled 3-4 times helps with the amount of soreness I feel the next day.
But it has to be cold water!! ;-)

Richie

RJ

The SBV assertions were copiously supported by the accounts of the men who served with Kerry. The most inflammatory information was obtained by quoting John Kerry's testimony to Congress on the so-called "Winter Soldier" investigation. In that effort John Kerry gave a great propaganda victory for the North Vietnamese communists. John O'Neill wrote a book on the subject called Unfit for Command to which you may want to refer. Their website is still up. http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php and has much information to substantiate their assertions - if you are interested.

Regards,

#38 Daniel
An interesting history lesson about the media, I had never heard that and it helps put things in perspective. And I know exactly what you mean about the Lou Dobbs/CNN reporter interaction, it is uncomfortable to watch to say the least.

My concern is usually that loud voices from either side that completely lack objectivity leads to two groups that simple try to talk over each other rather than discuss. When things are presented in purely partisan terms, everything seems to be a black and white issue, which of course is rarely the case. But I suppose that I could be comfortable with partisan media outlets, providing that they are honest about their agenda. On that note I must humbly request that Fox change it’s slogan from “Fair and balanced” to something a little less ironic.

Perhaps you are right and we’re better served by a media that spans the ideological spectrum and forces people to actually think for themselves. However, I’ve always had the impression that few people seek a “balanced diet” of media, and most tend to stick to almost exclusively to the sources that confirm their prejudices. Confirming this for me is the fact that many people still stand by the validity of the stories presented in the "60 Minutes/Bush" and the "Swift boat/Kerry" debacles, despite a lack of any hard evidence.

My a$$ is quite sore from yesterday. I was looking forward to a day off but one of our comrades threw down this gauntlet.

"Run 800m, 30 tire flips, run 800m, 20 tire flips, run 800m, 10 tire flips

Tire flips are done with the heavy a$$ JERRV tires."

We didn't have a JERRV tire so we used a larger forklift tire.

Nick - 14:44
Dan - 17:45
Tyler - 18:39

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/nickoi/DSC04124Large.jpg

Allison,

I checked out the link(before posting) and it looked like just POSE but I was looking for some more info. In the life before CrossFit, I was an endurance athlete of sorts, swimming and running and some mediocre triathlons. With all the CF Journal articles about swimming and running I had hoped it the endurance sports cert would be a proverbial meeting of the minds: the POSEtech-ers with the Total Immersion swimmers and maybe the Sprint Salo swimmers. Let me know how it goes. Anybody else attended and want to comment?

Made up WOD from a few days ago..

shoulder press 55-60-65(f)-60-65(f)-60-60
push press 55-55-60-60-65
push jerk 55-60-65-65-70

An old English proverb, which was somewhat too difficult for GWB to repeat, says "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".
So much about those 50% of American voters who voted TWICE for that guy.

#43 Harry
I'm generally familiar with the sources you're talking about, but I'm only generally informed about the situation. As I recall, Kerry also dragged out a contingent of other people who served with him and they said the opposite of the SBV. There's also plenty of info available via an internet where investigations have brought into question the validity of many of the claims made by the swift boat people.

But I don't really care to defend Kerry beyond that, it's old news. It was just one example off the top of my head of blogger hypocrisy. I'm sure there are many more examples.

#48

I'm sure if a larger segment of the population actually showed up to vote the result would have been different, not to mention the issues in Ohio.

Seems that a lot of people are so disenchanted due to (at least at some level) the "fair and balanced" reporting on the commercial net works. It wouldn't be so bad if they were openly partisan and didn't feel the need to smear each side rather than present the issues that matter to that segment of the population. What you end up with are extemists just trying to dig up the worst possible information (and even making it up or distorting it) on the other side. One could make a great comedy film based on this stuff. It reminds me of some video I came across on youtube where someone put a laugh track on segments of Fox News. The really funny part is that if you didn't know any better, you'd think you actually were watching a comedy show. It was done that well.

Whoa!!!
Politics? What's next- religion?

Does anyone else agree that the only thing honest these days is the seven colors of agony- after 400m lunges?

This CF business...It calls EVERYONE out on the carpet. No hiding in the light. No lies. Just the overwhelming desire to smile while tackling creative new pain strategies.

Keep up the good work people.

As for politicians and jounalists- they are job security for each other.

RJ:

It's not hypocrisy if the SBVT are telling the truth.

You are promoting the line that the CBS/TANG story is equally as false as the SBVT claims.

That is simply not correct.

#22 ahward:

very solid post

Now for a really serious topic -- does Nicole have a calendar in the works???

I think media bias is a great thing. However, they just need to admit they are being such. It is the passing it off as non-biased that gets under my skin. That was what Rather did. He is/was a leftist and socialist apologist who for years was held up a legitimate objective reporter. For decades we new this was crap, but they did not want to own up to it. This is what conservatives and libertarians are talking about with the media as well as college campuses.

If the bias would just be admitted to, then there isn't this issue. However, there is a concerted effort to hide that agenda. The ratings show that the media has drifted to far. However, the answer for most of the TV news and cable news is to go even farther left without admitting it, and they lose more and more percentage every cycle.

Katie Couric? Really? Keith Oberman? Really? They are trying to honestly pass these guys off as objective?

I don't think that #22's post is at all solid, since he clearly states he left the "Church"...adding to his own bias.

What is Metcon? I see the terms thrown around now and then... thx

I love Mr.Rippetoe!

"gotta tighten up that C-O-R-E....."

#54 charles: MetCon = Metabolic Conditioning

http://crossfitboston.squarespace.com/

Check it out! Me and EC :)

Allyson and Stoker

I was introduced to the Pose method about 12 years ago as a junior triathlete. I gotta admit I was skeptical then, and I'd be skeptical now.

I was involved in a junior development program, and Dr. Romanov was one the the coaches/mentors. He went on and on about the mechanics of Pose, and argued why it should work. Being a teenager enamored by physics, and a decent runner, I didn't buy it. I remember saying again and again how important the push phase of running is. Without friction, no movement is possible (without friction nothing is possible!).

Since then, I spent 2 years as a pro triathlete, 5 years as a sponsored runner, and countless years as a bike racer. Only now have I seen his name pop up again.

The status quo is a dangerous bully, but no one has won anything using his techniques, per se. In fact, no top runners use the method. Just look at the Kenyans. They run like they are on skis. They push at the end of every stride.

That said, the drills he taught were of value. They are the same types of things sprinters do to improve their leg turnover (speed = stride length X stride rate, or more appropriately, speed would be the solution to a differential whereby stride length and stride rate are both dependent on an optimum for your leg length/flexibility/body weight/et al.).

So, it can help in some ways. But, as Dan Rather might agree, ignore the BS and dig down to the useful stuff. And don't pay too much for it.

Alex

Here are some more bogus claims like the ones CBS made:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6190720

How can all you righties vote for the guy that stayed home vs. the guy that actually went to Vietnam regardless of whether he deserved some medals or not? I'll give you a hint, he was an officer, he probably didn't deserve 'em.

#44 - RJ writes:

"My concern is usually that loud voices from either side that completely lack objectivity leads to two groups that simple try to talk over each other rather than discuss. ...I’ve always had the impression that few people seek a “balanced diet” of media, and most tend to stick to almost exclusively to the sources that confirm their prejudice."

True enough. But how about a little personal responsibility from news consumers? The citizen who wants to be well informed needs to seek out a diversity of sources and voices.

Few working reporters at mainstream media outlets are the idealogues critics imagine them to be. Most are professionals trying to do their best with limited time and resources. And most stories have no obvious partisan tinge. So the idea that reporters sit around all day trying to skew coverage in favor of their preferred politics is silly. (But that's exactly what many think tankers do -- and then project their own failings onto reporters.)

Media bias tends to come from the selection and placement of stories. I also thinks it's fair to say that
journalism tends to attract a certain type of person. Few are satisfied with the status quo. Many see shortcomings in society and want to write about how to make things better. That often translates into exploring some form of government action. Conservatives and libertarians see the world very differently. Fair enough.

While there is some evidence of liberal bias in the media, there is also a great deal of evidence that points in the opposite direction. The right dominates talk radio. The US media has always been far too deferential to the US President. (Canadian and British media are much ruder and better in questioning their leaders.) In the run up to the Iraq war, the US media was so scared of being seen as unpatriotic that in barely covered dissenting voices in the military and intelligence communities.

But mainstream reporters as extreme liberal partisans? Nah. I think many are closer to petit bourgeois reformers.

This upcoming election season I'll be turning my TV off and sticking to personal research on the Internet. Lesson learned from watching the previous unfold, and look at the results? Debacle all the way around.

#56 Allison

Great pic. Can't wait to get the group pic of all of us before the PRIMAL WOD and after the WOD! Good times to come! Wish I could travel all over kingdom come WODing...I am so jealous!
See ya SAturday!

~J~

Rory, let us look at your slight of hand for a second, since you do not want to talk about the subject of liberal bias.

President Clinton said on February 17th, 1998, while he was president, and this is from his address to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Pentagon staff. He said, "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. We have to defend our future from these predators of the twenty-first century. They'll be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein.

From the New York Daily News, April 16th, 2003. "'Saddam is gone, and good riddance,' former President Clinton said yesterday. 'I don't think you can criticize the president for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. That is what I was always told.'"

May 18th, 2003, at Tougaloo College in Jackson, Mississippi, during commencement address. "I supported the president when he asked the Congress for authority to stand up against weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."

From TIME Magazine, Bill Clinton, June 28th, 2004. "So you're sitting there as president, you're reeling in the aftermath of 9/11, so, yeah, you want to go get Bin Laden and do Afghanistan and all that, but you also have to say, well, my first responsibility now is to try everything possible to make sure that this terrorist network and other terrorist networks cannot reach chemical and biological weapons or small amounts of fissile material. I gotta do that. That's why I supported the Iraq thing."

So I ask you, why are you not you pointing your fingers at the President before this one??

I can tell you. Would you like to know?

Daniel, the point is that the Talk Radio types ADMIT they are biased. That is the difference. Integrity. Quit apologizing. The polls are in and over and over reporters admit they are overwhelmingly liberals and when they are registered to vote, they are Democrats

This is so sad to see people try to defend this.

I think the more pressing issue to CFers is the buildup of waistlines and the Rise of the Pauladeen.

/got nothing
//rest day = leisurely 5k run

M/22/6'1"/185

Serious DOMS but c'mon, I gotta get some work in otherwise I'll go bonkers at work.
Yesterday post WOD as RXed. I was bored and it was in between sessions at a swim meet that I was coaching, so I took a walk with my stop watch to the bball court and did a half GI Jane. 5:33. Ouch, ouch and more ouch, jumping to the rim was every bit as tough as it needed to be. Awesome
Today: Jeremy as RXed = 5:24. OHS the day after Lunges is an awful idea, absolutely awful.
Maybe my adult league hockey practice will be easy tonight, maybe, i hope?

#62 CCTJOEY,

The only consistent defense is to try and dodge the issue and change the subject. There is no such thing as unbiased news. That's why Jesus invented the brain - and anyone who uses theirs can notice that overwhelmingly TV media (notice I didn't say radio #59, we're not talking about radio either) is left of center.

But that's just an underlying assumption and not important - because that's not why the article was posted. If I really wanted to find a the bias and agenda that the rest article was pushing, I would say that it was posted to sway me in favor of the overwhelming power of the individual blogger compared to conventional think thanks. And you know what? - it's working, and I'm letting it work. Why? Because I have a brain, and unlike the mindless talking heads on either side of the spectrum (I’ll knock the right, too, because the lunatic fringe on both sides can be guilty of this), I use mine, and it tells me that just this whole board, right here, and the forums on the main site, are a perfect example where you get ripped a new one if you disregard logic and try to spin something.

Hooray bias.

It is important to question, but not be jaded - so how does one do that?
My high school history teacher told us that apathetic voters are the worst kind -- it is hard not to be apathetic and to do the research and to actually understand who or what we are voting for.
I say try and do that on the local level, understand the politics of your city and state - the rest will come with that knowledge.
CCTJOEY - the article relates because it is about seeking truth - pushing the limits - it also relates because it is getting us prepared for a year of this bs --- I'm glad I'll be deployed and won't have to watch it all unfold.

Had to take the weekend off from the WOD because I was in Tahoe.
This a.m. did:
12 Rounds
6 One arm snatch (15# dumbbell)
10 dumbbell swings (30# dumbbell)
15 walking lunges
Good times! Need to up the weight next time.

The point of the story was to showcase at least one blatant, unambiguous effort by a liberal producer at a top rated show-- working in direct collusion with Kerry's campaign--to abuse the power of media to influence an election. It's abundantly clear that the entire substance of their case was a lie, and only those incapable of mustering the humility to admit error would continue arguing that even if it wasn't true, it ought to have been true.

And how do they do this? They compare the supposed "lies" told about Kerry to the proven lies they told. Yet, the facts favor the Swift Boat Veterans. Look at this link: http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Keys

Notable quotes: "Asked for a recommendation about possible courses of action for Congress to pursue, Kerry stated that he had talked with representatives from Hanoi and from the PRG (Viet Cong) at the Paris peace talks, and mentioned his support for "Madam Binh's points." Madam Nguyen Thi Binh was at that time the Foreign Minister for the PRG. These meetings took place in the spring of 1970, before Kerry ever joined the VVAW."

Kerry was literally coordinating his anti-war effort with representatives of North Vietnam and the Vietcong, which in my view is little, if any, short of treason. Men were fighting and dying while he was trying to engineer our surrender.

"The VVAW [Kerry's group]was at the heart of the propaganda effort that so effectively smeared American servicemen in Vietnam as murderous, drug-addled psychotics that returning veterans were cursed and spat upon in the streets. In fact, as shown in B.G. Burkett's book "Stolen Valor," Vietnam veterans are more psychologically stable and successful than their civilian counterparts."

There is no he said/she said here. Bush is vindicated, and Kerry is guilty as charged. Maybe it ought to be otherwise, since there are always two sides to every issue--we are told--but that is not the case here, with respect to this issue, and we have proven at least one clear case of leftist media bias.

I am listening to a series on "Great Presidents", and even though the lecturer has a mild liberal bias, it is interesting to me how he points out the many contradictions of some of our Presidents.

One fact is that Washington was deeply afraid of and suspicious of the development of political parties, and fought against them. Thomas Jefferson decided to develop one anyway, to run against John Adams, and to counter the ideas of Alexander Hamilton. Jefferson invented the partisan press in America, invented overt partisanship, and when it was turned against him during his own tenure tried to get states to enact censorship laws against the newspapers that were attacking him. They used his own weapon against him.

He was also, for those counting, the first President to wage a war without getting an authorization from Congress, against the Barbary Pirates.

I think Washington was quite right to fear the formation of parties, for reasons like what we are discussing today. We wind up making decisions for the wrong reasons.

I don't mean defending the article. I mean defending Rather's actions.

That's what I meant too, I was probably too vauge in my description. I meant, generalizing Rather's actions as part of the general left leaning media, the only way to defend that position is to not defend it and change the subject and focus. Sorry for not stating that outright.

Also, I'm never above stating the obvious: "Buckhead" is posting on this here thread. Well done, Mr. Free Republic Blogger of the Year (or whatever it was).

41yo/f/160#
swam 2300yds
CFWU x2 + pushups, good mornings
400m walking lunges 10min

Wow I had forgotten about that whole document forging thing.

It just goes to show one thing: Those on the left will blatantly lie and present it as truth in order to get their way. They believe the same thing Karl Marx believed, namely "The ends justify the means". Nevermind that in both situations, the "ends" are a terrible idea (liberalism/socialism/communism).

If you don't remember, think back to the Vietnam war when all the "former troops" came back and said how they "personally witnessed" all these evil things when in fact, the vast majority of them either were never troops, or were heard secondhand (not "personally witnessed"), and when we trace it back to the source, the person was simply another 70's anti-war protestor who never was a soldier in the fist place, but rather was simply LYING to get their way (the ends justify the means again in their mind).

this whole discussion is one of the reasons i'm a reluctant voter. I feel like I could spend weeks and months trying to read everything I could find on our current crop of candidates and not feel any more confident that i was picking the right future leader for our country than i do now. I did the research bit some last time around and it didn't help me out that much.

I'll admit - i'm probably a slacker where that comes in since politics as a whole makes me sick, but voting is still exercising force to a degree and needs to be done with forethought. My problem is still with where to find information on all sides that i can actually believe.

mark L

CCTJOEY

Excellent post. I was ready to make the same points before I read yours and I could not have said it better than that. So all I'll say "yeah what he said".

Hello to everyone,

Cherry crossfitter here. I first learned of Crossfit in '04 while in Iraq, but I never executed any of the programs, only some of the exercises. But I have since gotten bored of my normal run/lift routine, so here I am.

After two weeks, I can honestly say that this is the best overall program I have tried in 17 years. The site and the community are wonderful, and I look forward to the challenges lying ahead.

Yesterdays WOD

385 steps in 23:58

I don't think I have ever done that many lunges in my entire life.

M/56/205/70"

picked up yesterdays w.o. 400 lunges 13:40

Interesting topic, as Matt said win at any cost, the ends justify the means. I remember Kerry and his congressional testimony. A lot of people who heard it believed it and lots of us got painted with the same brush.

I agree that the media should admit the stance they take; however, that includes Fox News and the "no spin zone" of Bill O'Reilly.

Pretty much given up reading the comments on rest days, because, let's face it, the bias is very one-sided. But just because I did read this, 2 points: John Kerry served and the men who served with him say he deserved his medals. Not the SBV who didn't serve with him and weren't even on the same boat! The guys who were there said he deserved them.

2) Bush was AWOL. How do I know? Easy. His commanding officer said so. Said he had no idea where Bush was during his time in Alabama. The UCMC defines AWOL as being absent for 72 hours without your commanding officer knowing where you are. Bush's commanding officer stated pretty emphatically that he had no idea where Bush was or what he was doing. Hence, AWOL.

Made up the walking lung workout. No track, so estimated 380 steps based on measuring one lunge distance.

16:35

Ow. my. legs. I'm walking like I just got back from a prison shower room.

Bush volunteered for vietnam. it says it in the article. Kerry has been called out by the Swift boat vetarns for truth to prove to them (Swift) that he (kerry) is telling the truth. Kerry to this date has not proven anything to anyone about his heroic claims.
Also Liberals love to smear, They are in it for themselves. They do waht is best for them and not for their country. Why is the Military filled with a huge majority of conservatives? Because "We" are not in it for ourselves. Selfless service is something liberals fear, or do not truly understand.
Now those are blanket statements, I realise there are some liberals in the military and other civil service departments where selfless service is required, No disrespect was meant.

This servicemember is what some may define as a liberal. I thank God that my military career has enabled me to be a caregiver, as a medic in the Air Force. I believe we've made a mockery of Jesus Christ's basic principle of "love your neighbor as yourself" by judging people who are poor and have difficulty supporting themselves or their families. We don't forgive one another for our mistakes, and we don't often go out of our way to help others in need. Instead, we hide behind religious doctrine and used bits and pieces of it to support political aims. This "liberal" is not "in it for herself" and I believe many of the people that the right criticizes as being that way have not considered the possibility that some people want a world like the one Christ proposed.

This whole series of quotes, the article and the whole US election campaign process make me glad that I live in Canada, with a very different system. My biggest beefs are with how long the presidential campaign drags on for, and how often candidates resort to smear tactics.
I feel they go hand in hand as the campaign lasts so long (about 18 months from when the first candidates start getting organised for the primaries till the actual vote in November) that the only way to maintain interest is to go negative. People have limited attention spans, and if a candidate has already fully presented their policy proposals in the primaries, what new stuff can they bring to the actual presidential campaign? Usually not a lot, so they have to resort to the negative, digging up old history on peripheral issues and totally ignoring who has the better plan for running the nation. To me the Swift Boat and MemoGate stories are the same in this regard.
Both focus on events that happened 20 to 30 years ago when Bush and Kerry were very different people. Sure they may represent key aspects in their development but don’t necessarily define who they are now. Look at my basic training reports and my recent annual evaluation, there is a big difference between the two and they’re only separated by five years. Personal attacks like these (as highly entertaining as they may be) serve only to muddy the campaign and distract the voting public from the issues and how the candidates will tackle them.
If you must attack a politician’s record attack what is relevant, how they’ve performed in office and even then don’t.

IMO, the US should either ditch the primary process, make it less public or make it happen closer to November so the campaign can be shortened and candidates can stick to the issues, actually debate policy and maintain public interest without smear tactics.

Any slags against the Parliamentary system and how it chooses the government welcomed, cause it isn’t perfect either.

How about a Crossfit primary and debate system?

You don't know where it will take place until the morning of the event. And you don't have any idea about the questions in advance. But maybe you'll get lucky and it will focus on some issues that you've aced before.

And everyone in the audience can have a puke bucket. Which they already need right now, anyway.

It's amazing that there is a good part of this discussion focusing on Bush's presidency when the article's focus is on a case of bogus journalism.

I take the news for what it is - someone's presentation of the facts as they see them. I think most newscasters attempt to be objective, but this is ultimately an impossible task. Each individual has a perspective which is going to flavor his/her interpretation of events. The same thing is found in reading history. That's why it behooves individuals to read multiple sources for a more accurate picture. Oh yeah, and use the brain.

Kudos to "Buckhead" for calling a spade a spade -no, for proving that a spade was a spade. The CBS team's actions are indefensible. As news professionals, they had a responsibility to meet standards of credibility before presenting a story - they failed. Period.

CCTJOEY,

What slight of hand? I was talking about Bush. I never voted for Clinton, nor did I ever defend him. He is not "my president". I am not a democrat or a republican. What I think is sad is when people are so blinded by partisan politics that they can't call a spade a spade if it's in their party.

Being a first timer for the 400m walking lunge, I'm dreading getting out of bed tomorrow and even more so reading the WOD... Oh well, gotta get some... 3,2,1 GO!!!

My legs are killing me as a first timer for the 400m walking lunge. I'm dreading getting out of bed and even more so reading the WOD. But what are you going to do, but get some. 3,2,1 GO!

Rory, seriously, WMDs? Your attempt to paint Bush as lying is refuted. Now you slight of hand again, talking about yourself. Stay on topic, for once, and answer the refutations of your posts. What was the point of your post #61 then?

KCN, The difference between the to men and their records is one had a history of lying about American Servicemen and conspiring with the enemy through propaganda. I find that very relevant.

I believe some people need to understand the difference between a network news program (i.e. the evening news) vs a talk show host (i.e. Hannity).

The network news is suppose to be unbiased reporting of news while the talk show host is a biased commentator.

The problem arises when people assume the network news orgainzation is the full truth but in reality there is a hidden bias that is showcased during their reporting.

Someone suggested in earlier comments that the credebility of the memos was torn apart by right-wing zealots looking for anything wrong to parry the attack. Yes, it just so happened that a conservative blog was the beginning discussion ground, but what they were talking about was wanting a closer look at the memos because something seemed screwy to a few of them.

I think the greater point of this article isn't about media bias, but about not accepting things at face value when something seems wrong. The guys who were secretaries in the Air National Guard at the supposed time of the memos looked at it and saw the inconsistencies with what they remembered. Other people with other specialties would probably have noticed some of the other inconsistencies. I know my older brother did. He was a graphic designer for a pre-press company for 10 or so years and could look at a piece of type and tell you font, size, and a whole host of other items. When this came out he looked at a reproduction of the memo and started going on about how it is impossible for a modern type-face with modern features to have been used in the early 70s. To him, something was wrong.

I guess what I take from this is if something seems wrong with information or news that you are getting (not just that you don't like it or it doesn't fit your own bias), then look into it and search out the facts for yourself.

Cheers everyone, it's my 2 year Crossfit birthday today! Just a few of my favorite things: the community, the website, the journal, me in the back corner of the gym with a loaded barbell feeling like I'm gonna hurl but picking up the bar anyway.

Thanks to Coach and all of you for constantly reminding me that there's always another challenge awaiting me!

TripMN,
I agree with not taking things at face value, but more importantly, we have to educate ourselves so we can make informed decisions regarding what the media presents to us as fact. There is manipulation coming from all angles, and unfortunately, such manipulations are often directed at those who are either unwilling or unable to discern between fact and fiction. We will not get responsible reporting until we absolutely demand it. Ratings are what drives this stuff.

My legs hurt, but not as bad as they should. I sat in a cold bath within five minutes of finishing yesterday. I am so glad that I did.

I figured out a trick. Instead of sitting in a full cold bath - which would be impossible to let yourself ease into...I sat in the tub and let the water fill around me. My legs were on such fire at the time that it did not feel cold at the time.

Just a tip from someone who can walk today.

#83: Big Brother.

Read this link: http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200402180840.asp

It discusses Bush's service. What is quite certain is that he was not a member of an anti-war group dedicated to smearing service members, demonizing American efforts to avoid a Communist take-over of South Vietnam, or an associate of and recipient of money from, Jane Fonda.

I drive stick and my legs are so sore that I almost got in an accident.

keep'em coming!

Patrick,
I hear you! I have a stick also, and after the WOD yesterday it was tough to drive. I couldn't coordinate my legs enough to keep from stalling out once or twice.

KCN #87
My evals now are far different than when I enlisted 19 years ago also. I am a different, I believe improved, person. It may well be for Sen Kerry and President Bush. I believe it is, on both counts. However, the accusations on the table for them treason and desertion are serious impugnments of character particularly for a CinC and have to be explored fairly and thoroughly regardless of the time between.

Kerry was mouthing what everyone in the streets was saying. He was also apparently eyeing a political career even as early as his service in Vietnam.

These are serious accusations, but what do you call someone who sits in front of Congress as in effect a self-appointed representative of our military, and says things which were not true, and which he can have had no compelling reason to believe were true, other than that they were commonplaces among those with whom he chose to associate himself?

Have we forgotten the devastating effect our decision to fail in Vietnam created among our military, and the effect it had on our political life? Why did Nixon get impeached? Because he wanted leaks like the Pentagon Papers to stop, and he (wrongly) abused his authority of office to do it.

I will add more later.

x24696,
I would say that the anti war movement sabotaged the efforts of the US to the point that they were no longer able to prosecute a war that we would've won followed by a free united VN. We most likely would've staved off the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and helped the VN economy rather than causing them to wait 25 years to open a more freemarket economy. That's not even talking about the effect of the VN war on the American psyche which is evident today in the public's expectation of quick painless wins or else the effort becomes a "quagmire"

CCT JOEY:

You want me to stay on point and not go off on a tangent like, Bill Clinton (hmm). I guess the refutation of my post is that there WAS a link between 9/11 and Iraq, and we did find nukes, right? Alright, you got me. There was a stock pile of nukes under the kitchen sink. I'm a damn fool.

Wonderful segway, x24696, to the underlying fact that as a military member, you have the right to defend your country and yourself. You have the right to question unlawful orders. You have the right to shut up and color while disagreeing vehemently with whatever legislature or policy is being passed down the pipe. It's every serviceman's right to bitch, but when it comes down to it, we've got to do what we're ordered to. Sometimes that includes being silent on the forum amongst civilians or upholding national policies of whichever Commander in Chief is in power.

Rory, The refutation is that you are not being intellectually honest and got called on it. What you are implying is dishonest appears to have ben common knowledge and readily agreed upon long before the 2003 invasion. However, as per your reference to yourself at the end of your own post, I believe you have a fighting chance at seeing the obvious.

However, my argument is that you point to articles that are not accurate, as if to make a point. A point either misguided out of ignorance or your assumption that we are. Thus reinforcing your last sentence.

Please try again.

Weighted pullups today, 5x10,3x25,1x50,75,100(f),90,100(pr), 5x50,50,50. I started out using a backpack, but at 100# it was too cumbersome on my back and I switched to the dip belt and got me a clean chin over the bar pr at 100#. I then went for 105# and the bloody dip belt broke! It might make sense to use both the back back and dumbells between my feet. And kudos to John Rippon's 50kg and Dave's 145#. You guys are awesome! BW:170 Y/A:59

Barry,
Yes Kerry was mouthing what everyone in the streets was saying..in effect I think he aknowledges this fact in his first sentence or two to Congress..that he is purely symbolic and a voice for many. And yes I believe he was eyeing a career in politics. I think after his third qualifying wound when giving the option to leave Vietnam he choice a position as a high ranking aide in order to position himself better.

The military was represented in front of Congress, but not be Kerry. He sat in front of Congress as a representative of the VVAW which he made apparent, although it needed no mention.

I do not think neither your nor I can say he mentioned things that were not true. He does relate unhonorable acts soldiers related in the Winter report that they were forced to undertake. These acts are not far from the acts performed in My Lai with Talley. So their truthfulness or validity I cannot support or refute. But his main point was true the US did not belong in Vietnam and Southeast Asia posed no threat to the US. These facts have been proven true throughout the years, and even upheld, by individuals such as McNamara who were influential in the decision for war.

The thing is it was not our decision to fail in Vietnam. We had no chance of winning. Everyyear, 500,000 North Vietnamese boys turned the age of 18. Every sinlge one of these boys who could were forced to fight the Americans. We killed on average 300,000 North Vietnamese a year. You can do the math as well as I can, at that rate we could not win through killing alone. Ho chi minh knew the fickleness of the Americans, knew we were not committed and that they purely needed to outlast us. It was not our decision to fail.

The impact it had on the military was due to the politicians and government. The military does not govern itself.

Our political life? Cannot answer that one. I do know that Nixon was not only impeached because he was trying to only prevent leaks like the Pentagon Papers. I do believe there was something to do with campaign fraud, political espionage, a fund of money in Mexico used to pay individuals who conducted these acts, break-ins and tax audits, plus who knows what else never got mentioned.

thanks Allison,
I was confused I guess because I read the odd post in the comments stating the WOD was a Metcon workout. I think every WOD hits one of the 3 metabolic pathways so in essence every WOD is Metcon... true?

#108 john:

I've been using some webbing and a carabiner for about 3 years (for weighted pullups/dips) and it has been the most versatile and simplest setup I've tried. The whole setup is a few ounces and about $10. Much less obtrusive than a belt, but it does tend to dig into your skin. YMMV.

Wow sorry for the typos

Joey - salient and on point.

x24696 - let's not confuse intestinal fortitude and personal courage when acting valiantly to that required when conspiring with our enemies to satisfy personal political ambition.

off topic: I wish we'd get a rest topic on the FED, and the dire potential outcomes from the collapse of the housing bubble - (I did a housing blog from 2/06 to 4/07). My wife asked me the other day, how & why it happened. My short answer: massive fraud and collusion at every level. As much as i disagree w/ RonPaul's foreign policy views, his domestic financial views are SPOT ON.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q

Whatever bro. You live in your world and I'll live in mine and we can keep believing the other has their eyes wide shut. We'll have to agree to disagree because I need to actually work some today. I'll be looking forward to your post tomorrow with loads/times.

I'm tired of the belly aching in regards to past elections.

Let me get this straight. You have Kerry who was a decorated purple heart recipient. He comes back to the US and starts maligning the war effort. And in the 2004 Prez election he is deemed a war hero. That is not going to fly even without the swift boats.

Now go back to the 2000 Prez election. Gore acted like an egoistical boob in the debates. Hell, he did not even win his own state. If so he would have won.

That's the problem with this country lately. No one takes responsibility. It's someone else's fault.

ps...I live in Calif so our default presidential pick is always the same party's candidate anyway.

You can find my loads and times on my blog, if you actually care.

Tracy,
Why does being a war hero mean that you have to agree with the government's stance? I know many individuals believe the military should be bipartisan (and some have even called for removing the service member's right to vote), but your insinuation that because he protested the war he is no longer a war hero is absurd.

You imply that you cannot be a war hero if you do not support the war effort. I do not think that anyone is going to support your argument that Kerry is not a war hero. He is, face it. By not agreeing with your opinions and enacting his First Amendment rights does not preclude his previous accomplishments. It may tar them a little, but you cannot change what has already happened.

CCTJoey said integrity in the same paragraph as talk radio reporters. That is pretty funny. Yeah, Rush is a bastion of integrity...

We(conservatives) need you liberals to help keep us in check.
You liberals need us conservatives for your survival.

32/F/125

Made up yesterdays lunges:

380 steps, 12:20

The discussion today brings to mind that word coined by Colbert, "truthiness". I have a hard time listening to any commentator, left or right, because of it. Anymore, the only "news" programs I watch are on Comedy Central. At least they make me laugh and I don't have to guess at the political leanings of the host. Some favorite segments, are "Cluster---- to the White House" and "You Don't Know Dick" referring to VP Cheney. John Stewart on the Daily Show may be left of center but at least he makes fun of ALL politicians. Perhaps the President gives him a little more to work with...

You can all go back to duking it out now.

I hate rest days...

No rest for the wicked!

Saturday & sunday no WODs, so today did weighted pullups and walking lunges.

Weighted pullups(bodyweight 193lb):
44x5

66x1
71.5x1
77x1
82.5x1
88x1
82.5x1
77x1

+

200m Walking Lunges, time 7:47.

- OlliS

Maybe a little clarification will help explain my point. I believe Kerry would have been better off if he (his advisors) had not declared "Reporting to Duty" comment and promoting his heroics in Vietnam during the election. The voting public was not going to buy the notion due to his anti-war comments in between those two. That's just the way it is.

And regarding his First Amendment rights. Many get confused with that right. It prevents the government from preventing free speech. But does not prevent the public from reacting to someone's comments. In this case the voting public did not vote for him. That's the way it is part 2.

About those surveys that show most reporters are liberals:

Many of the surveys cited ad nauseum are over 20 years old, apply only to a handful of elite media outlets, and had low response rates in the first place.

That said, I won't argue that big newsrooms are packed with conservatives. But it doesn't follow that the many slightly left-of-center reporters deliberately skew coverage in the way their detractors imagine.

Most reporters are professional enough to separate their personal beliefs from their professional responsibilities. (So do most soldiers, doctors and lawyers.) Good reporters try to be aware of their biases and look for ways to counter them. So do their bosses.

Comment #60...
Not only do I understand your frustration, but the way you were introduced to this method. At the time it was really in its infancy and Dr. Romanov is sometimes hard to understand or deal with.

I am not the smartest cat out there, but I do know that when something works it works. hundreds of athletes and clients later! My physics and math is usually off, but I offer this.

Friction is part of ground reaction in running, and how your foot reacts to the ground is where the friction is created. If you push this is friction, if your foot elastically reacts to the ground this too creates friction. If your foot strike lands in front of your GCM then the friction you need to create will be greater then that if your foot were to land directly underneath your GCM. If you were to pull up any video files on Hailie Gabrsellasie and play them in slow motion you would get a better understanding of what I am talking about. His foot lands as close to under his GCM as any human being I've seen... although he is not Kenyan he is Ethiopian, and I am sure you are aware that he is the current world record holder of the Marathon. You will also understand from watching this or any video where someone lands under the GCM that they do not push off. Ever! In fact knee extension is indicative of a push. We know this from a Squat, Deadlift, and basic bio-mechanics. Not once will you see Mr. Gabrsellasie's knee extend... Why? Because he is pulling it up! A movement of the hamstring. If you were to watch Ryan Hall (he won the Olympic trials in the marathon for the U.S. this year in New York), you would see the same thing. Although he is an American, there are plenty of Kenyans that run this very way as well. No they are not students of Dr. Romanov's or POSE as they do not need to be. Nor was Jesse Owens, or Michael Johnson, and I do believe all of these athletes have a couple things in common... None of them push off, and most are current or deceased record holders??? They all run POSE too!

They just don't know it. All POSE is saying is that it is perfect running, and injury rates are too high to not take a look at this. No one offered this prior to POSE, yet everyone is an expert. I am not a professional athlete (congratulations on such a gift). I am a trainer and a coach, and rarely have I seen a career athlete be able to coach or train. I have seen people come out of orthodics, and what they thought were career ending injuries because of this method.

You mentioned you were a junior athlete at the time as well... This might have been a bit of a problem as well, as most kids know everything.

All the best in your career and I mean that with the greatest sincerity!

Well, after a 2 1/2 week (from 11/27 when I took on "Murph" along the West Side Highway to 12/15) battle with a severe adenovirus infection where I had a 100-102F fever for 10 straight days I am finally back! I've got a lot of catching up to do, but after a 500 meter row on Fri before attempting Fran on 12/15 I noticed a serious degradation in my endurance since coming back (I decided not to try Fran after all). So I've decided to focus on metcon WODs rather than the lift WODs for the time being. Here's what I've done this weekend:

Death by Pullup (Continuously running clock)
WU
500 meter row - 1:27.2
CFWU excl Pull-ups
15 minutes plus 11 Pull-ups

"Christine" as RX'd
WU
CFWU
Christine - 10:58

"Elizabeth" as RX'd
WU
500 meter row - 1:25.7 (PR! w/ photo!)
CFWU excl Dips and OHS
12:19
Cooldown
Cleans 95#/10 2x
Ring Dips 10 2x

The PR on the row was a real confidence booster, but I'm still getting gassed a bit easier than before the infection. Today will be another big step towards recovery, and it's gonna be one hell of a challenge:

6pm Run 5k
7pm "Lynne" as RX'd
8pm "Michael" as RX'd
9pm 400 meter Walking lunges (possibly)

Tomorrow will bring me closer to catching up. All I keep thinking is GET IT DONE!

As I read this article I was thinking of the problem we have with communications in Iraq, specifically with regard to Multi National Forces Iraq, and strategic communications. In the article the media manipulates events to support their agenda, and the pajamahadeen counters with facts. In Iraq, Al Qaeda manipulates reporting on events to support their agenda and MNFI struggles to accurately depict events.
The cardinal rule in strategic communication is to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and to tell it quickly. Sometimes we aren't so successful in that endeavor, whether in completeness, accuracy or timeliness, and the fallout is disastrous (Al Gharib, Haditha). In a free and open society the agendas of Mr. Rather, CBS, the media writ large and indeed, the United States government will be challenged whenever they fail to obey the cardinal rule. Al Qaeda however, is not held to the same standard or scrutiny. They do not have to check their facts, so they are the first ones to press. Moreover, they operate in an environment of popular discontent where their message of extreme ideology trumps facts and is readily received by an oppressed, disaffected population. It's a tough problem.
Someone commented earlier that objective reporting is a relatively new phenomenon, and that partisan press was prevalent around 1900. I remember from earlier studies a story about Winston Churchill and the press. Sometime around the turn of the last century Winston ran for a public office, Exchequer, I think. When he couldn't beat the pundits in the editorials of the opposition press, he bought the newspaper and wrote his own editorials. Right on. I thanks God every day I live in a society of free markets and free press. Long live the pajamahadeen.

26 yom 6'2" 155#

Back from 1 1/2 weeks off due to food poisoning and illness

WOD from a few days ago..
Press: 95-105-115-115-115
Push Press: 115x3x5
Push Jerk: 115x5x5

Thank coach Rip for suggestibg the squat workout. This is my 4th week and I have improved immensely!

Today:270# x 21

Then just because I'm an idiot, 3 rounds: 4009 run, 21 kb swings in 7:56.

31 yom, 175#, 5'10"

28 yom, 180 lbs

19:09 did 500m

I figured my stride for lunges was about a meter (3.3 feet), but I measured it after the WOD and mine was a little over 4 feet

#100 & #101

That is some funny stuff...I actually drive a different vehicle to these workouts for fear of crashing my stick-shifted truck on the way home.

AllisonNYC: Your a hottie! If you ever travel to Southern Cal for anything and want someone to run you through a workout or two, let me know! It would be a pleasure.

Brian MacKenzie,

Recent studys:
http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/media/americans_see_liberal_media_bias_on_tv_news

Donations:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/

No rest today. Had to play a little catch-up.

5 Rounds:
400m run
75# SDHP
75# Thrusters

33:58

That's a pain I haven't felt in a while. This was probably among the hardest WOD's I've ever done and the lunges from yesterday didn't make it any easier.

49m/5'7"/170
5 X 1km repeats 2-3 min recovery between

#110: you state: "Ho chi minh knew the fickleness of the Americans, knew we were not committed and that they purely needed to outlast us. It was not our decision to fail."

Do you not see the problem here?

Have we forgotten how leftists hijacked our streets and our political life back in the 70's? Can we ignore the role of the Left in the election of Jimmy Carter, and our subsequent failure to support the Shah, with whom we could likely compare in the present moment Musharraf in Pakistan? Do people not remember how politically impossible Leftists made supporting our allies, and how impossible to respond appropriately when they committed de jure acts of war against us?

Why are we worried about Iran today? Because back then we were willing to surrender a repressive regime to an even more oppressive regime, one which over some timeframe is quite likely to develop and use nuclear weapons. They may be waiting Bush out, but if we put Clinton in, then the production of enriched fuel and denial of same goes back into high gear.

The simple fact of the matter is that Bush is quite capable--given a decent pretext--of bombing Iran, and even limited ground personnel insertions in areas of strategic interest. And they know it.

With respect to Vietnam, this is a good read: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/96winter/record.htm

Relevant quotes: "The communists may not have won the war in 1973, but they certainly did in 1975, and they did so in part because they correctly gauged the depth of American public and congressional aversion to jumping back into the war. All of this points to the conclusion that the Paris agreement may have been intended as simply a face-saving device to provide a "decent interval" (Kissinger's choice of words at various symposia on the war in 1967 and 1968[10]) between the departure from Saigon of MACV and the arrival of the NVA. Westmoreland himself has declared that "the so-called Paris Peace Agreement . . . had practically little if any chance of success."[11] The late Dean Rusk went even further: the accords "were in effect a surrender. Any agreement that left North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam meant the eventual takeover of South Vietnam."[12]

and "The United States, to repeat, was not militarily beaten in Vietnam. Indeed, by 1973 the United States and its South Vietnamese ally had stalemated the North Vietnamese conventional military threat and were decisively defeating the indigenous southern insurgent component of the communist threat."

We need to remember that we surrendered. There was no peace with honor. In part, Nixon's impeachment ensured that nobody could focus on the war, which is what the anti-war left, and their NVA co-conspirators wanted. They wanted a clear path to a victory the North Vietnamese never could otherwise have attained.

To repeat as well: John Kerry was literally and knowingly discussing our surrender with our enemies while we were still fighting. He met with both North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives, and brought back to his anti-war group and to his lobbying activities fundamentally the same points and agenda that the Communists--our enemies with whom we were fighting a shooting war--wanted.

#131 wtp: You're too kind. Anyway, I've been to Cali about 5 times since I started CrossFit. I'll be in Newport Beach next month. Let me know if that's near you. I'm down for a CrossFit workout anytime anywhere.

The funniest part of the forged document scandal was the "fake but true" comment. Fake can't be true, folks. Lefties had a narrative in mind, and they stuck with it despite all evidence to the contrary.

M/23/6.4/210

clean & jerk new pr: 210 lbs.
overhead squat: 4 reps @ 133 lb. no problem
bench press: 4 reps up to 185 lb.

3 rounds:

5 handstand push-ups
10 pull-ups
15 air squats
20 dumbbell swings (52.5 lb.)
25 glute-ham sit-ups

7:30

I just reread that. It's been a while. It amounts to "we could not have won the war within the limits of what the public was willing to support."

In reading it, though, you sense this back and forth motion in him between seeing what could have been, and what we were ultimately forced to accept.

Who now wants to say that if we had instituted something along the lines of what Petraeus is doing now in Iraq that we could have won? Who wants to admit that? For most, it hurts too much.

But anybody who noticed how the Left started calling Iraq "Vietnam" within a month after we landed (Afghanistan having been quite disappointing) has to admit that one thing we lost in that failure was a collective committment to support victory unambiguously.

It is either Go or No Go. The halfhearted efforts of the Johnson Administration worked for the worst of all worlds.

It is to Bush's credit that he has withstood, unlike Johnson, considerable pressure to choose defeat, and has stuck to his guns in many if not all areas.

Something I've never understood about the liberal bias in journalism is why this professions is outside the bounds of a free market economy. If there is a liberal bias, and if it is evident, and if this is a bad thing (or at least most people don't like it), wouldn't people stop buying/reading/watching/listening to such biased sources? Couldn't neutral or conservative biased sources replace them? Do liberals have an enforceable monopoloy?

If folks are complianing about a liberal bias, I can only assume that either 1) it doen'nt really exist, 2) it exists but most people don't care, or 3) people, in general, are idiots (or too lazy to change their choices). Have I missed anything?

For what it's worth, being on the front lines and getting to see 'the media' coverage of it, I can honestly tell you all that 99% of what you see and read about the war and I can guess most things is completely swung in whatever direction the media wants it to go or is more like 100% garbage. Lately I think its the second.

kmarston, you are not missing anything, you are just late to the party. The discussion revolves around 'new' vs. 'old' media. The old is losing ratings because of their inability to be honest about their bias, which is what created the new.

"That's why Jesus invented the brain..."

Wow.

kmartson,

You are correct. That is why Fox news and Talk Radio has prospered the past few years. The free market chose other options. More neutral and right instead of more left leaning nightly news, NY Times, LA Times, etc. Those outlets are losing readership and viwership.

Wow econ 101 is pretty simple.

5k Run tomorrow is my guess...and current worst fear LOL

Barry,
Your thought process is very tangential and difficult to follow, and honestly I do not know how to respond.

I just now see your second post and am slightly more confused, but I get the sense you are also.

You cover a motley group of issues, mostly supported by speculation that again I cannot support or refute

I will however respond to a point you have made twice - Kerry was "literally and knowingly discussing our surrender with our enemies while we were still fighting. He met with both North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives, and brought back to his anti-war group and to his lobbying activities fundamentally the same points and agenda that the Communists--our enemies with whom we were fighting a shooting war--wanted".

You and I both know that a single citizen, especially a recently retired LT headlining the VVAW, cannot negotiate the surrender of the US. Again, he discusses and openly comments on his meetings with the N Vietnamese in his statement to Congress. Stan Karnow actually states that American peace activists, elected officials, and diplomats frequently went to Paris in the 70s and met with the N Vietnamese. He's quoted as saying you'd eat dinner with them, listen to a bunch of propaganda, and learn relatively little. Was he their puppet? No one can say, again, I cannot support or refute.

But herein lies the issue. Just as Rather went forward with his report on Bush and used what have been proven to be falsified documents, the Swift Boat group has done the same with Kerry and this statement you have made twice. They base as support two documents discovered (curiously around the 2004 election time)in the Texas Tech Vietnam Archive that they try to dovetail to Kerry's actions around the same time period. The hearsay is compelling, but is just that hearsay and unfounded. But the SBV march on with their agenda and push out this damning report, just as Rather did, seriously damaging this candidates election campaign.

Point being, I wouldn't quote the SBV's hearsay as fact, or else you are no better than Mr. Rather

So...for being one who never comments I have commented probably too much today.

What better way to unite individuals with disagreements than to find a common enemy.

Some of you all probably have seen this, but I could not believe my eyes or ears when an extremely intelligent coworker described and then argued the validity of this contraption. Not only that, he requested that the Gym purchase a couple, which they replied good idea....I can't even get them to hang the rope I purchased!

Tell me what ya think.
http://www.fastexercise.com

"kmartson,

You are correct. That is why Fox news and Talk Radio has prospered the past few years. The free market chose other options. More neutral and right instead of more left leaning nightly news, NY Times, LA Times, etc. Those outlets are losing readership and viwership.

Wow econ 101 is pretty simple."

Unfortunately, popularity does not make one correct or best (disregarding whether or not fox news, et al. are actually the most popular). Following your logic, before fox news and talk radio "prospered", or gained more of an audience, that would have made the preceding news outlets 'correct' because of their earlier dominance in the free market.

Newspapers and news shows are only in the business of selling a product. In any news organization, the news isn't the most important aspect, at least to the 'higher-ups'. It's getting the viewers to watch the advertising - the money is in the advertising that is intertwined with the news. The papers and news channels are only acting on, and adjusting to, the attitudes of the consumers with regard to the types of stories and their slant, not some ideological bias within the organization.

#132, CCTJoey re: recent studies alleging liberal bias:

The UCLA study has been thoroughly discredited. Fair minded people will want to disregard it. See
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/12/the_problems_wi.html

The Rasmussen study is also unconvincing. It show that just 33% of Americans think CNN has a liberal bias. 27% of Americans think NPR has a liberal bias. And -- my personal favorite -- 15% of Americans think Fox has a liberal bias!

#147 - money and viewership:
If you're measuring commercial success, do not make the usual mistake of assuming that a larger audience always translates into greater profitability. Demographics are everything. Fox's audience is relatively poor and old. It is much less attractive to most advertisers than CNN's.

Catching the end of the conversation again, but I owe a couple responses...
#52 Harry
The information provided by the sbv seems dubious to me, perhaps to a large extent because it is admittedly a partisan group who derives all it's funding from conservatives. I find it hard to trust anything coming from such groups. Much of their 'proof' seems fairly open to interpretation, as evidenced by the conflicting posts above. However, I will at least concede that the SBV have always been clear on where they stand. Rather in contrast portrayed himself as an objective reporter then pushed a biased agenda (based on false information no less). So perhaps equating the two was a bit excessive.

#62 D. Freedman
Your appeal for the public to take responsibility for getting informed from a balance of viewpoints is a fair point. If people do that more, I think we will see some pretty significant changes in the way that people discuss issues and the way politicians have to address the people.

400m Walking Lunge: 14:40sec

5 Rounds:
5x Wt Pull-ups @ 45lbs
5x Wt Pull-ups @ 35lbs
20X Wt Dips @ 45lbs
30X Back Extensions

5 Rounds:
10X Pull-ups (no wt.)

38M/168 Made up yesterdays WOD

Baby sitting my son, so I did these in my basement and tried to take advantage of the room. I had approximately 43 feet of usable space to go out and back and managed to crank out 266 in 14 minutes before I finally fell over on the last one. Did my calculations and found that I only covered about .72% of the required 1/4 mile. I have new respect for lunges and the pain that they create.

My five year, who set up a train set as he watched, kept asking why I was walking like a weirdo. Go figure. Looking forward to this one next time and doing it outside in the elements.

Clovis you weren't kidding. I guess I'll be the one walking a little sideways around the station tomorrow.

Just wanted to say thanks to whoever posted up the ring the other day from the navy seals site. I went online and bought mine and just got them in today. Just when I thought I was start