VIPERS RULE

Is there a WOD named after Eva??

K-Star, you're an animal!

Awesome work Kelly.

Odd discussion link... I don't know what to think.

I feel like a good FGB. I need a classic whoopin'

Nice job Kelly. By the way, I truly enjoyed your class at the cert last weekend. Your knowledge and enthusiasm is without parallel.

If breathing causes global warming then we Crossfitters must be the worst of the lot at the end of our workouts. Applying Pareto's principle here, 80% of the carbon dioxide breathing emissions is done by 20% of the people. . .

Like our personal responsibility to the well being of this earth, I feel that each of us has a responsibility to not live beyond our means. Obesity induced by overconsumption is offensive in that there are people starving throughout the world who do not even have what they need to survive. Likewise, the increase in detrimental acts on the earth's well being is largely associated with overconsumption in many different areas of life. Be it that over-sized SUV, heating a house that is excessively large or buying fast food that produces as much garbage as food. We've all hopefully heard how we're changing our world in a negative way, it's time that we all reduced our overall footprint on our world.

I just bought a bunch of sand and the inner bags so I can fill up some duffel bags to add weight lifting to my command PT classes (now showing Monday and Friday, 0700, at N82, NSA Millington, TN). That looks even harder than I guessed it would be! Can't believe how tough that bag is (seems like almost as tough as Kelly), I'm assuming it is the version available from Ironmind (got one of those, will have to fill it NOW!).

I've been saying for a while, and I'm sure I'm not the first, that the AGW 'chicken littles' will soon be saying we have to kill a bunch of people to "save the world." Never mind the fact that a little GW, on the whole, theoretically should be better for humankind than the alternative. I guess we'll see! Cause I don't think any amount of "chicken little" hand wringing is going to change what the temperature is, and if the earth is warming there won't be a thing "Algore and the CLs" can do to stop it.

The more I think of it, the more ludicrous it seems that someone's sure that today's temperatures are the 'right' ones.

My garage - thinly veiled excuse for a wood shop and CF gym, with some room for my wife to park and an upstairs room for guests - is almost complete, and a set of bumpers is heading my way.

I'm nearing the Garage Gym finish line - maybe it's just a rest stop - I need one more bar (the Linda bar), a few more bumpers, squat stands and safety stands, a couple sizes of climbing harnesses, ankle straps; with that, and what I have, I'll be able to do any WOD, and train any client I can think of. After that, more gear amounts to just good (better) toys; toys like a half cage and a C2. But I'll wait until my clients are paying me before going for those.

Thanks for the link Coach.

So what exactly is the argument in that link; "Things are going to cause global warming no matter what we do, so why try?"?

That's like saying that since people are going to get in car accidents anyways, why bother with traffic lights, seat belts and all other rules of the road?

Not a very good argument.

I will do my part by not breathing any more.

Kstar- That didn't look fun at all!

Adrian- I lasted a whole 3 days on the metabolic diet. Safe to say dieting is not one of my strong points.

FYI- I care about the earth. I held my breath the entire time it took me to type this comment.

Sweet video. I like the slo-mo. Kelly makes it look easy.. but 1:51?? Whoa. Is that normal?

Nice t-shirt, Adrian :)

not quite. Traffic signs, seatbelts and the rules of the road are KNOWN to minimize the effect of car accidents...

"Angie" has showed me just how weak I am at pull-ups, which took half an hour and sapped me of energy for the rest of the workout. It is definitely a wake-up call.

K-star...more like k-stud!! Always an inspiration to work out next to you buddy!

I'll tackle the bag o grace one day, but that attempt was after a pretty ugly workout...

Freddy: I can't believe you wussed out! It's only two weeks! and they told me you were tuff ;)

-Boz

Nice video. This whole site is an inspiration. . . . real, functional strength. When the flood waters are threatening the town, beating back the waters ain't gonna happen by hoisting dumbells or barbells. The center of gravity in a sandbag shifts . . . I shoulder a 50 lb bag and it exhausts me.

19 / F

Rest day will = sleeping on the plane ride home.

Had a nice recovery from 2 finals today doing some oly lifting and a modified Fran:
21-15-9
Thrusters at 30 kilos
Pull-ups (still jump / kipping)
TIME: 13:25

12 hours left in the semester! :-)

#11 JeffG - re-read the link from the perspective of someone who thinks that the current debate over GW is BS in the first place - then those links are far more entertaining.

And Juan is right - your comparison is not valid. Not to mention that the point of the site isn't 'since everything causes GW, might as well ignore it.' Based on a quick viewing, I judge that the point of the site is to point out the absurdity inherent in the GH gas theory as a cause of GW, and absurd conclusions one must draw once headed down that absurd pathway - such as 'we need to kill a billion Americans to save the earth.' Interesting - that theory gives Al Qaeda and 'Algore and the Chicken Littles' some potential for alliance since they both want to take us back to the stone age, albeit for different intended outcomes.

#11 JeffG - re-read the link from the perspective of someone who thinks that the current debate over GW is BS in the first place - then those links are far more entertaining.

And Juan is right - your comparison is not valid. Not to mention that the point of the site isn't 'since everything causes GW, might as well ignore it.' Based on a quick viewing, I judge that the point of the site is to point out the absurdity inherent in the GH gas theory as a cause of GW, and absurd conclusions one must draw once headed down that absurd pathway - such as 'we need to kill a billion Americans to save the earth.' Interesting - that theory gives Al Qaeda and 'Algore and the Chicken Littles' some potential for alliance since they both want to take us back to the stone age, albeit for different intended outcomes.

Rest day already? I don't feel like I'm sore enough to rest! But that usually means something brutal is coming for Friday, so do I really want to make up my own WOD for tomorrow? hehe.

Juan Murphy #15

You are arguing that we do not know that restricting some things will have an influence on global warming. This is a decent argument worthy of much consideration. Unfortunately, it is certainly NOT the argument which the article was trying to make.

Apollswabbie #20

I understand that the article is not meant to be taken too seriously, but I fear that this is simply a case of people attempting to use snarkiness as a sorry substitute for careful reasoning. (Slogan serve the same purpose, BTW.) That article merely sets up a strawman in order to get some cheap laughs. It would never, in a million years ever convince somebody who fears GW that they should fear so much after all.

I know, I'm probably taking this article a bit too seriously. It's just that I've actually heard people, in all seriousness, use that argument which the article seems to be putting forward. I just think that both sides of the GW debate would benefit if this line of reasoning were never mentioned ever again.

We need some sand bags like that, those ones look sweet. Love the 'roof' over the outdoor gym there, you can still WOD in the rain.

That post made me think of animal research and animal research protestors. They value animal lives (mind you these animals are bread specifically for research) more than the lives of the researchers.

Anyway, why doesn't Crossfit Pentagon have a website?

PS: this rest day discussion is not as fun as the previous one.

I was going to ask if that is just wet or dry sand in the bag, but I guess it doesn't really matter at 100lbs/cu_ft dry and 120lbs/cu_ft. Ah the wonders of the information online!

Decreasing the footprint people put on the world would take a GLOBAL effort. China builds more coal plants than they allow children to be born (over exaggeration). If a person trades in their car for a hybrid, more than likely their old car will be back on the street. Cow crap creates more harmful gases to the environment than CO2. It will take a lot of oil in order to produce alternative fuel. The 'problem' is more complex than just changing to fluorescent light bulbs. We need to get off our oil dependence so our economy is not controlled by OPEC. We could also do what some environmentalists suggest and not let Third World countries develop, preventing them from becoming industrialized. Or just stop breathing in order to rid the Earth of the evil human race. Or just agree that this IS A SCAM.

Good job Kelly! How about doing Isabel with a sandbag next??

It could be argued that over population is the root of many of these problems. No matter what the earth is limited in the number of people it can hold, not only that, but the environment requires some balance, you can't cover every square foot with a human body. Not that the environment will be effected as much as the Human Herd will be culled one way or another.

Global Warming isn't really my issue of choice, but I've heard that George Bush has acknowledged it and said we are allowed to believe in it now. Still I don't know why it was felt that global warming needed an entire article dedicated to it in the CFJ. Seems kind of out of place, like putting a PMOY spread of Carmella DeCesar in the middle of Better House Keeping.

kelly the k-star stud with like 20 "d's"!

#21 Appoloswabie
I think labelling the GW gas ‘theory’ as absurd is as excessive a stance as the people in the Gore camp that are crying catastrophy. As it stands, it is still a reasonable hypothesis under heavy scrutiny (as it should be) that has been picked up by the media and blown up into ridiculous proportions. And in doing so it has polarized people to either end of the spectrum so that any evidence for or against it is simply used by the opposing ends to attack each other. There is support for the hypothesis. There is also evidence that is not well explained by the hypothesis. The alternative hypotheses of “natural climate change” or “no climate change” do not completely explain the data either. The reason why this debate gets so much mileage, is that there is in fact evidence available that contradicts all of the hypotheses. As it stands I am not convinced that there has been a thorough, objective analysis of all the data, nor a satisfactory alternative hypothesis proposed, that would justify outright rejection of any of the hypotheses above. More concerning to me at this point is that I am not really sure how scientists will ever be able to dig through this quagmire of politics to properly address the question. It is also a real concern for me that this issue has been politicized to the point that scientists risk losing their funding, job, and/or reputation by presenting data in opposition to AGW. When politics are mixed in with science, objectivity is lost and it becomes hard to trust any conclusions. And trying to supress evidence that opposes your pet hypothesis is a sure way to avoid finding truth.

As for the article, I can see the appeal to someone who is certain GW is a hoax. However, suppressing carbon produced by natural means has, to my knowledge, never been a serious strategy proposed for reducing greenhouse gasses. But I get the joke…it’s just not that funny to me I guess (for the same reasons #23 Jeff gave).

Finally, I found the final comment regarding the “chicken little” syndrome a bit ironic considering it was followed with the opposing “they will take us back into the stone age” comment. It sounds no less alarmist to me ;).

I don't really get how people think global warming is a scam. Who is raking in profits from all this?

So how important is a rest day compared to an easy day? Do i really need it? Today I was going to run a slow 10k with 20-30lbs and then some racquetball.

Corn producers are making huge profits.

I'm usually not one for rest day discussions as I get enough politics at a liberal California university, but I'm kind of speechless after reading that link.

Great job on the WOD by the way. I really gotta get to making some sand bags and incorporating them into my workouts.

Well if 'W' has acknowledged GW then we're fine right?
Clearly the American culture of rampant materialism and wastefulness can be curbed somewhat and that would assist in efforts to counter the issue of GW. Pretty straight forward for mine. But yes the link is humorous.
The argument we shouldn't act because we don't know if the action taken will work, seems entirely counter intuitive to this site and more like a Monty Python sketch. If as humans we refused to act on a problem because we didn't know the result before we took the action then most of the advances in the world would never have taken place. Isn't cross fit about measurable, empirical results? Surely we take action, measure that and then re-evaluate our method - pretty much the scientific method, colloquially here labeled the black box. Similarly because the Chinese won't adopt the required standards is no justification for the US to reject those very same standards. Ironically it was the current administrations belief that they were doing the 'right' thing, including the rejection of large swathes of domestic and international objections, that resulted in the invasion, sorry liberation of Mesopotamia.

#32, not sure that a 10k with 20/30 lbs (I'm assuming via vest) is easy when you go ahead and throw racquetball in there too.

Maybe 5k, no vest and some racquet ball if you must do the 5k.

Don't think it's all that necessary to take a rest day every rest day so much as it doesn't cross the line from an "active recovery" day in to a WOD day.

Well said #34 JC

29/f/110

did the back squat wod

Back Squat 5-3-3-3-1-1-1-1-1 reps

95x5
135x3
135x3
140x3
145x1
150x1
155x1
160x1
170x1 (f)

170 would have been a PR, needed a spot to get up.

eric/m/145

135x5
155x3
155x3
155x3
185x1
185x1
185x1
185x1
190x1

That looks like a great WOD. I'll have to try it.

My first thought on seeing the fighter picture was, "Talk about over compensation."

Yes, that was an attempt at humor. Chill out.

k-star you are a badass, but you knew that already didn't you? ;-)

great work, very impresive stuff!

k-star you would have done way better on this workout if you would have worn your pimp sleeves!!! It was still pretty good none the less.

#35. Thanks Ropo. Yeah, I was talking about a vest (IBA), maybe I'll cut it down to a 5k. I just want to make sure I don't overkill it and end up hurt. Usually after the 3 days I'm smoked and need a break, but other days I feel like doing some extra. Are there recomended activities/workouts on the days off?

Coach, on one hand you do such a great job for our health, on the other hand it seems that you don't care about the health and the future of the Earth. Why!?

On the other side of the issue, a lot of people think that if some carbon emissions are bad, then all carbon emissions are bad. This is similar to the old dietary fat thing, if some fat is bad then all fat is bad. People tend to jump to the furthest conclusions on things. If some carbs are bad all carbs are bad. If some exercise is good more is better. If UV rays can cause cancer then all sunlight should be avoided, which is not the case, sunlight is pretty essential to health.

Just the same is the case with carbon emissions, there is supposed to be a balance, if there wasn't some conversion of oxygen to carbon dioxide, the environment could be effected at that end. When you get this kind of tunnel vision and start to think that all carbon emissions are bad you get this kind of thinking.

31/M/163

Rest day work out.

OHS practice.

50 burpee jumping pull-ups: 4:11

hey guys
24/m/80kg

five rounds of
30 overhead squats -- 45 lbs
400 m run
30 box jumps 20 inch 400 meter run

subbed 1.5 min sdhp-row for the runs, first two rounds. wrists got super cramped and couldnt hold the ohs so i subbed 1.5 min double unders for the last three rounds. now i got wicked shin splints
subbed high jumps [knee to chest] for box jumps

all in all time is 29.48. happy with the number, but i know if i did the runs i couldnt sustain the 1.5 min 400 meter pace. intensity was good though, so i dont feel like i cheated it. plus thats what the faq page says to do.

crossfit moscow -- me
dg

No, I didn't know. And, after reading that blog, I'm positive that most of those people don't know either. I'm not sure about the global warming "thing", but if it does exist(and I'm not saying it does or doesn't), I'm curious as to how many people really care? Or are they just on a soapbox to bring the money in?

Is global warming/environmentalism the new religion?
I'm still an agnostic

I agree the article and links can induce head scratching -- except for people who already believe global warming is bs. The line of reasoning seems to be: "If everything causes global warming, then nothing does, because global warming doesn't really exist. So let's all have a good laugh."

But maybe it's not so funny. Here's why.

Global warming is real. Temperatures are indeed rising. Human actions are primarily responsible. Urgent responses to mitigate the damage are required immediately.

The mainstream media is quite wrong to frame the global warming story as a "controversy" between scientists, as though there are two sides of approximately equal weight. This isn't a 50/50 issue. It's more like 95/5. With few exceptions, the dissenting scientists are people who:
- are not be climatologists
- have accepted money form the fossil fuel industry
- get quoted a lot in the media
Wikipedia does a much better job than most of the media on global warming. See the article at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

But science is not a popularity contest. What if the consensus is wrong? After all, it turns out that contrary to earlier theories:
- power lines do not cause cancer
- stress or spicy foods do not cause ulcers
- a low fat, high fiber diet is a bad idea

If scientists were wrong on these issues, could they be wrong on global warming, too? The answer is short: no.

Global warming is one of the most studied issues in the history of science. The latest reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change involved thousands of scientists and leave no real doubt for anyone making a good faith effort to consider the evidence. Significantly, the reports exclude recent --
and even more alarming -- findings. In the US, the National Academy of Sciences says global warming is real. So do equivalent organizations in many other countries.

So the comparison with the false low fat/high fibre theory does not survive scrutiny. In "Good Fat, Bad Fat", Gary Taubes tells the amazing story of how the theory was propagated by a mere dozen or so scientists in the absence of real evidence. There was always a substantial body of contrary evidence from credible scientists. That's not the case with global warming.

So sneering articles like this one seem to come to us in a time warp from years ago. The debate has quite properly moved from "is global warming real?" to "what should we do about it?"

These days, plenty of anti-global warming activists are to be found in corporate board rooms. They are corporate executives. Some of the biggest companies have formed alliances with environmental organizations. California, Florida, New Jersey and other states have enacted tough laws.

What more is to be done? I think the answer is a series of carefully targeted economic incentives and disincentives that phase in over a period of years -- and harnesses the power of the marketplace. "Cap and trade" emissions systems provide economic incentives for companies to innovate. This is probably a better bet than energy taxes that rely on government to spend the resulting revenue wisely.

Somehow, in some quarters, global warming became a proxy issue used to make fun of political opponents on the left. But why? Global warming cuts across idealogical divides. Business and religious leaders are on board. Politicians of all stripes are racing to embrace the cause.

Those who continue to sneer risk becoming the object of ridicule themselves.

I think the most impressive thing in the video was learning about the 1:51 Grace. That's world class for sure, especially since K-star doesn't look like a short dude either. Total Grace ownage.

And with Bag O'Grace done too...all your Grace are belong to K-star!

Meddlers &
Charlatans
Snake Oil Salesmen &
Global Warming Theorists
Politicians &
Priests

Bag O' Grace - Now that's functional fitness!

Clearly we need to do more sandbag work. You've got to wonder how relevant barbell training is to performing real world tasks when there is such a disparity in time to complete the same amount of physical work.

"Global Warming" is a slogan for environmental awareness that everyone recognizes. There is a lot of value in a slogan. The rate of warming and other scientific particulars are not important to the average person. What matters is that the focus on "Global Warming" has created some sense of urgency. That sense of urgency is what we really need to change our behaviour. Some of the links in the blog are totally outrageous - the purpose is to have you read them and generate more publicity for Global Warming. Same concept as your favorite ad on tv.

Good morning crossssssfittttttttt-asssssss!

(cross-fit-a's)
(those who are from Boston(like me) will unda-stand what I am sayin!)

First off, Great job Kelly! Great kick a$$ effort!
Thank goodness for a rest day. As usual I don't FEEL like resting, however, I am sore as a mutha from the past few days, so I believe that my body will enjoy the well needed rest.

I am finalizing plans for the PRIMAL FITNESS WOD being done on the 22nd, and the ALBANY CORSSFIT WOD being done on the 23rd. Yes yes I know, I need to post what time...that is part of the finalization. But this IS open to anyone, and there are a bunch of people committed to coming already. For those of you that may not know about it, there are two WODS being set up, one at each of the locations described. This is part of my Christmas present to myself on our way back to Mass to visit family...my Christmas present being to workout with as many of you as possible, and these two affiliates are STOKED to house us all getting our struggle on together! I have asked both places to come up with a WOD that if it were any more painful, if it were any more hideous, it would be blasphemy! They are happy and psyched to accomodate!
If any of you want in on this, please please email me so that I can get a head count for tthe affiliates! Those of you who have already, I can't flippin wait!

On the rest day topic. As usual, I will print out what I can and read it tonight after dinner. BUT after a light peruse...I have nothing to add!LOL!
I DO tell my clients in the middle of a WOD though when they say:
"I can hardly breathe.."
I say, "Recent studies actually show though breathing is no longer important. So try and control it, get what you can in for air, and if you pass out, then your body needed a break...and we'll finish the WOD when you wae up!"
They say, "It burns so bad.."
I say, "And the worse it burns, the better you are doing...so stop talking and chase the pain! GET SOME MORE!"
They say, "I'm gonna puke..."
I say, "Hell yeah...here's the bucket, I've been waiting for you to say that...THAT is a sign that need to work even HARDER! So erp and let's dig our toes in to this!"

I am sure that I am not helping out the global warming issue with the heavy breathing of clients, the vomitorium I try to create for them, and the gases that are released from their screaming bodies. I appologize.

Gotta go, got polluting clients to tend to! (what...I said I was sorry!)

Rest well my fellow Crossfitasaurus's and Fitazoids!
~J~

~Train Hard and Push Through "IT"!~

@ Daniel Freedman:
Great post Daniel!
I only disagree with your opinion that emissions caps and trading are better policy than carbon taxes (I am just starting to write a seminar paper on that issue), but I don't think that this is so important.
The most important issue is that people realize the threat to the environment and start taking measures. And the largest polluter in the world, the USA, cannot stay aside!

#49: Daniel, if you wouldn't mind, would you try to ascertain just how many measuring stations were included in the process of establishing baseline and historical CO2 levels? I've done this debate a dozen times at least, and no one who has cited Anthropogenic (obviously, the climate could be warming, and we may not be causing it, so the human influence is the issue under debate) Global Warming as fact has ever been able to help me with that. From what I can tell, they use Mauna Loa and Vostok and that's pretty close to it. Maybe I'm wrong.

well said Juan. Is it man made? maybe about 0.00001% from crossfitters. I'm guilty.

Now lets move on to what the website was intended for...getting in great shape. I'm 2 weeks in and have changed my routine from a standard body building workout to crossfit. I feel and look much better.

Good work K star. Way to make it look easy.

What kind of bag is that and what did you use to fill it up with? sand?

Thanks,
Steve

www.stevesclub.org

Were those stats serious? The average American exhales 20 times more CO2 than the average Indian? Wow.

I look at GW with an ORM perspective. What is the likelyhood? What is the consequence? Something with a small chance of occurance but a very bad consequence requires the same mitigation effort as something with a large chance of occurance and a minor consequence. Therefore we must mitigate the risk.

Does anyone know the origin of the name "Viper"? Is there more to it than "Fighting Falcon" isn't cool enough?

"So I left the kill container and requested the overskull. My cranium was on a swivel, so to speak, ..."

I won't have much time today, but wanted to add one more thing: the way to frame this discussion properly is to say that the UN--and scientists that receive funding from the UN--says global warming is real. They also, on an unrelated note--no doubt--say that binding international regulation is the only way to stop a Crisis, of the sort that compelled the Vikings to settle Greenland in the Middle Ages, and allowed crops to be grown far north.

How easily we forget the trauma and horror of all those cows farting back then. Oh wait, the crops they grew there were only figments of their imagination. They were really eating snow, and the evidence is only anecdotal. Of course. It must be time to up my med dosages again. I keep forgetting the difference between my own views and "scientifically correct" views.

Reposted because I think I forgot my email address. If not, sorry mods.

I won't have much time today, but wanted to add one more thing: the way to frame this discussion properly is to say that the UN--and scientists that receive funding from the UN--says global warming is real. They also, on an unrelated note--no doubt--say that binding international regulation is the only way to stop a Crisis, of the sort that compelled the Vikings to settle Greenland in the Middle Ages, and allowed crops to be grown far north.

How easily we forget the trauma and horror of all those cows farting back then. Oh wait, the crops they grew there were only figments of their imagination. They were really eating snow, and the evidence is only anecdotal. Of course. It must be time to up my med dosages again. I keep forgetting the difference between my own views and "scientifically correct" views.

"Gagetown" today

400 m run
21 thrusters
30 pullups
800 m run
30 pullups
21 thrusters
400 m run

Goal was sub 20 min with a 95# thruster and kips

I just managed 19'54" Has anyone else tried this one?

Only felt like I was going to lose control of my bowels during the 800.

Did Grace at 65 lbs., ran a mile afterward. Decent substitute for a rest day :)

One in the hopper. One last post, then I'm out of it for a day or so actually working.

These "x causes global warming" ideas are based on the notion--the prevalent and apparently unchallenged notion--that CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere, without corresponding release mechanisms for reabsorption. Once it gets in the air, it tends to stay in the air, so every little bit of CO2 that gets pooted out of car or cow pipes adds to the total. Since as we've heard described ad nauseum CO2 absorbs heat, creating the "Greenhouse effect", all CO2 added, makes things hotter.

What this ignores is that CO2 levels have risen and fallen throughout the history of our planet, naturally. It is claimed, but not even remotely proven, or even tested in any meaningful way, that CO2 lasts for 100's of years. But Jeff Glassman has created a very good model for what we might term "planetary respiration", in which oceans essentially buffer any excess CO2 that may build up. As temperatures increase--whether due to the natural fluctuations inherent in any chaotic system, solar radiation changes, cosmic radiation changes, or Tibetan monks meditating in mountain caves, we don't know--more CO2 can be held in the atmosphere, and thus less is held in the ocean. As temperature drop--in my understanding of the model, Jeff may correct me--more CO2 is held in the oceans. In same way that pH can be buffered, CO2 is buffered.

Thus, one can posit not just positive feedback loops of the sort the AGW cultists insist are the only ones that matter, but also negative feedback loops, in which CO2 is reabsorbed, and taken out of the atmosphere, not by panels of politically motivated scientists, but by Mother Nature.

Tree-huggers: don't you know that Gaia needs trees, and trees need CO2?

JPW #59

The stats weren't saying that Americans exhale more CO2. The CO2 stat was at the top of the article and applied to all nationalities. Below that they were showing which nationalities produce more CO2 from other sources (i.e. everybody's car unless they have a Prius). So if you choose to have a certain nation stop breathing, then America would be the most efficient choice. At least that's the intent I understood the article to be written with.

30 MU for time: 9 min (new PR by 1 minute!)

nice time on the MU hub! I think that I will have another go at it myself later today or tomorrow as well! Great job!
~J~

Whats all the fuss about anyhow? Everyone knows the world is going to end in 2012.

Our sand bags are dry bags made out of welded PVC. That one is made by Seal Line. They are tough and just tacky enough to work well.
That bag had 116lbs of sand and we added two 10 lb plates because we thought it didn't already suck enough.

I wasn't sure I'd ever be able to use my left hand again.

Kstar

On global warming... anyone who has even the most basic understanding of climate science knows that:

1) global warming has happened in the past
2) global warming will happen again
3) global cooling has happened in the past
4) global cooling will happen again
5) the universe doesn't give a crap if humanity survives or not

Earth may or may not be in a general warming trend (evidence mostly agrees it is), and humans may or may not be the primary cause and/or a secondary cause of said trend, if in fact it is a trend. For this reason, arguments for going "green" based upon climate ipact are essentially pointless, IMO.

More important are the following two facts:

1) Humans are causing massive pollution of their own water, air, and soil, and
2) Earth has a finite amount of oil, metals, water, ect.

Regardless of the reality or unreality of global warming, it is our responsibility as "intelligent" beings to live sustainably in our environment. If we do not, we will damage not only the environment of animals and plants, but ultimately our own. This makes it not only a responsibility, but a necessity... anyone who ignores the necessity does so at their own peril. At our current rate of consumption, earth WILL run out of oil... maybe in 10 years, maybe in 100, maybe in 1000, but it WILL happen. Metals, trees, water, arable land, fish... same story.

The above is reason enough to be environmentally friendly.

#66 salamander

I can understand where that comment might come from. However if you read his bio, listen to his clips, you may find, like the rest of us, that his "shape" is irrellevant and of no consequence. I am not picking on you, I thought something similar at first.
I listen even more intently now.

~J~

I really enjoyed the video today. I like being able to build what I work out on.

Came across this about the global warming. It is an mp3 and corresponding powerpoint from Dr. John Christy who was a lead author for the IPCC. He has a very different view than the alarmist.

http://www.americanexperiment.org/uploaded/files/christy_climate_change_powerpoint_070506.pdf

http://www.americanexperiment.org/media/Christy2007.mp3

Nice looking flag in the cockpit of that viper!

Kelly, thanks for showing us how its done with the sand! Too bad all of ours is frozen by now.

Mark

By the way, when's the VT affiliate opening???

MBinVT: As soon as you open it! Hurry up. I need a place to work out on the weekends :)

RE: #68

Thanks Kelly! I'll start looking for the materials so I too can punish myself with the Grace WOD. ha.

RE: #69

Nice post. Makes sense to me. Sadly enough, people don't want to hear it. Not yet...not until the danger is more intimate. Scary thought, I know.

Allison NYC,

Was your last post merely an excuse to post or do you really have intentions to train on the weekends in Vermont? You do live in NYC right?

Just wondering,
Steve

Does Al Gore ride a bike to work, or is he chauffered in a huge lincoln? If the former I will listen, if not he does note believe in what he preaches. Funnier even, do any crossfiter drive less than three miles to their gym?

steve,
http://www.rosstraining.com/sandbagconstructionkit.pdf
sandbag instructions.

Sweet pic. Any Pentagon Point of Contacts out there???? Email me directly.

Re: Discussion
Please quit blaming the Canadians...we might be able to shut off the beer fridges in the winter and leave the beer outside the igloo, in the snow beside the dog sled(our garages are now full of Crossfit gear)...but we do get warm weather in the summer and 'nobody likes warm beer, EH.'

Steve: I don't need an excuse to do anything I want to do.

I go to Mt.Snow almost every weekend during the winter.

Kick A$$ picture of the viper! Great job on the wod Kelly

Mornin'. As some of you know I occasionally weigh in on Rest Day, usually on topics related to health. I ran across this ystd:

http://www.mises.org/story/2795

I found the link on an economics blog "Econolog". I particulary enjoyed the line toward the end, science is the observable trumping the theoretical.

I think an economist's approach to GW would be instructive. The liklihood that there is a significant anthropomorphic aspect to GW can be assumed for calculation purposes; the % of GW attributable to AGW can be proposed; the effect of interventions to reduce defined behaviors that may contribute to AGW can be proposed; the effect of these interventions can be calculated; sensitivity analysis (varying the values of the above and recalculating) can be performed. An "effectiveness value" of interventions can be computed.

But there are definable monetary costs associated with any and all responses to presumed AGW; monetary resources at any given time are finite, although these resources grow over time at a rate that can be determined; any timed "snapshot" of these monetary resources represents the sum in a present zero-sum "game" of available monetary resources. Any resources devoted to countering assumed AGW must necessarily be unavailable for other uses. A cost/benefit analysis can be done to evaluate the $$ cost of any intervention.

Here's the rub. The cost of attempting to intervene in GW through altering behaviors on a large enough scale must be measured not only in $$ but also in "cost to society". How will these interventions affect a particular society/country in the global marketplace? What effect will this have on the standard of living for the average citizen of said country, average defined as a citizen in the 50th percentile income? How will this affect those in the lower income levels? What will these interventions do to a country's efforts to rise from Third World status? How will the economic effects of these interventions affect a First World country's ability to continue to have increased prosperity, which arguably allows it to pull other countries along?

The emotional appeals to the masses from both sides of this issue are objectionable on too many levels to count, an immature babble, a cacophany of invective interfering with serious discourse. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. The adults in China have done the math and made their answer clear. It's time for adult supervision of the AGW movement in the Western world. It's a cold, hard calculation. Stop trafficing solely in emotional capital. Do the math. How much anthropomorphic effect is necessary for behavioral change to have a significant, measureable effect? How much will those behavioral changes cost per unit of measureable effect? What will they cost in terms of global economic effect on any given country's economy? Talk to me like an adult.

Silly penquins...

Allison. Wish you would come to the Albany CF WOD on the 23rd! You have to pass right by it to go to Snow! I know I know, crazy, but not THAT crazy! Too funny!

The time for the WOD at Primal on the 23rd is almost worked out! Post to come! There a few select that are excited about doing battle next to you, and a couple that I know YOU are excited about! Good times, can't wait!

~J~
~Train Hard and Push Through "IT"!~

Doing Battle??? Are you trying to scare me away?

Great Video! Does sand really weigh that much?

RJ # 31 - nice post, thanks.

If you look at the quote, I opine that they 'want' to take us back to the stone age. In hind sight, I'll grant that's overdone. Algore and the CLs, for all their shortcomings, don't out and out advocate for destruction of the West - that statement is more about my fear of what they'll end up doing than about what they've actually stated as their desired outcome. That's a long way of saying, point taken.

My thoughts on the absurdity of the GHG article - developed after being exposed to Jeff Glassman's writings from this post - are that there must some mechanism that stabilizes the earth's environmental shifts, or they would have become unstable long before now. Theory? Maybe not even that much, but it's enough for me right now. Termites, cows, volcanoes - there are natural sources of the GHGs that contribute far more than humans. I'm not trying to convince anyone with this post, but I'm in the position of viewing Algore and the Chicken Littles as absurdities at this point, and also a threat due to their willingness to use coercive govt power to inflict their 'faith based value systems' on the rest of us.

I feel necessary to clear up a few of my statements. When I saw global warming is a scam, I still fully acknowledge that the world is warming. I believe the hysteria some present is blown out of proportion. Historically the Earth has warmed and cooled even before human existence. There are many things scientists don't know, such as the missing 'carbon sink' as they call it, where carbon just disappears without knowing what causes it. Once they cover all their bases, maybe I'll be inclined to change my view. The Earth was bound to heat up coming out of the Little Ice Age and the global cooling scare of the 70's. Yes, we can change our emissions at home without China and other countries worrying about theirs. But their expansion has the ability to make those efforts obsolete.

Awesome job with the sand bag K-star! Reminded me of the Eva T. Austere video a couple of weeks back. Switching from bars to bags is not pleasent.

Now, concerning todays Rest Day link. I would first say that the link is less about GW and more about how many forms of media (be they newspaper or blog) report what is "hot" in the news world. GW is obviously a hot topic because there are many different views, and solutions, to the problem. Unfortunately, there are just as many, if not more, puff articles as there are factual scientific studies. And why not? Puff articles are quick and easy to read and they either give you a reference for your point or a less scientific reference to defunk. You can't really blame the media for putting articles like these out, though, because they wouldn't continually be printed if no one was reading them.

Also, I'd like to say that I reall enjoyed Swinburne's "Hymn of Man". We were given the gift of higher intelligence, but that should not let us think that we are more than animals. There is an acceptance in the humility of knowing that no matter how great our mind or achivements, at the end of the day we're still only human.

JC #36 - be clear what you are talking about. Are you speaking only of individuals making choices according to their conscience? Are you saying that the believers in the AGW faith should do their best to proselytize each of us, encouraging us to choose the 'good' they, and to some degree, you see?

Or are you saying you endorse a government led plan to force free persons to act according to the values of the governing few? There are only two options – you and the faithful can convince the majority of free men/women to what you think is right, or you can gain control of the coercive force of government and use it to force the rest to do what they don’t believe in doing. Most of my responses to the AGW debate are based on the assumption that the later is what Algore and the CLs are advocating. This is not a black box experiment, this is an exercise in central control, a vast expansion over the already bloated control of the Federal govt, and it’s anti-freedom and anti-capitalist. You can expect such a program to be run with all the “wisdom” of the public schools, social security, medicare and the US military (after 18 years of military service, following three years in the employ of a municipal police department, I am qualified to speak about the absurdities of the way our military is directed by political leadership and professional bureaucrat alike). It will be as nimble and adaptable as all govt institutions tend to be – inside of a couple of years, the driving principles for such an effort (in this case, corrupted from the start) will become secondary to political drivers. When it all comes crashing down, the fiends who started it won’t be there to take the heat for their foolishness (think of social security).

I have no issue with you believing what you want to believe about AGW. My sole concern is that you, and the others who view government as the short cut and the easy way to force people to what you cannot get them to do by their own free choice. Let’s be clear that this is not an issue that the majority support – or there would be more folks fighting for solar panels, donating money to charitable institutions that support the outcomes you all think are so critical for ‘saving the world,’ people would by buying other people’s SUVs in order to get them off of the streets, people would be (using money from folk like Soros) to buy up cattle land, and/or subsidize research into how to raise ‘methane free beef.’ There may some efforts along these lines, efforts to gain by free choice the desired outcome, but the main thrust is “we will get control of this situation by using the coercive power of govt to force compliance with out values.”

If that’s not what you advocate, kindly state so, and you and I will then be on the same side of the fence regardless of our opinions of the threat of AGW.

Thanks for the Welcome back yesterday Nadia, Paul, and Dave and Belinda. I appreciate it.

Global Warming seems to be the topic of the week here in our neck of the woods. N had to watch 'An Inconvenient Truth' in Science class Monday and Tuesday and was telling me about it yesterday and then she also was listening to the radio during the morning car pool and heard about the Polar Bears and Ice caps disappearing, the seas rising, et all. Needless to say she was quite depressed about it all. We discussed it all in the car pool ride home (It's 4 teenagers ages 13 to 15 and me).

The conclusion? Yes, pollution does have an impact on the environment, and over developing has an impact. It all seems to be driven by economics. I do not believe that enough data has been gathered to prove that it is human's fault that the earth is warming up and that it is not just a natural course of events in Nature.
It seems that Scientists have only been really tracking the weather temperatures and patterns since the 1800's. We do have a personal impact on the environment and it is up to us how responsible about it we choose to be.

I remain skeptical about GW doomsdayer's because anyone can put a spin on facts to make it seem how you want the outcome to be.

Now, I'm off to rake up about a million leaves.

Kate

28/m/210

“Thirty of Everything”

-30m Farmer Carry @ 2x 44# KB +
-30m Burpee Broad Jump (aka Flying Burpee) +
-30m Farmer Carry @ 2x 53# KB +
-30m of 5x Lunge + 5x Push Press @ 2x 30# DBs +
-30m Farmer Carry @ 2x 70# KB +
-30x Pull-up +
-30m Farmer Carry @ 2x 53# KB +
-30x Overhead Squat @ 75# +
-30m Farmer Carry @ 2x 44# KB +
-30m KB Bear Crawl @ 2x 53# +
-30m Suitcase Carry @ 1x 106# KB (weak arm) +
OMITTED-[30x Ball Slam @ 30# ball] due to lack of 30# ball
ADDED-30m overhead press & walking carry 135# +
-30m Suitcase Carry @ 1x 106# KB (strong arm) +
-30x Box Jump @ 30” box

17:53

For those of you who are interested in a different perspective on global warming, you should look up Bjorn Lomborg. He is an economist who wrote "The Skeptical Environmentalist". While he does question some facts about global warming, the main argument that he does make is that humans have better things to do than stop global warming. For example, it is much cheaper to give all of Africa access to drinking water and basic innoculations. This would actually save MILLIONS OF LIVES. Better than any army or Al Gore fans.

There is no quick fix to global warming. Even if we do change our lifestyle, we won't notice anything for 50 years. And we won't reverse anything for another 50. Public health issues can be solved in a hurry. Wouldn't you want to live in a world where everyone can drink water and not worry getting preventable diseases?

FACT: Heat related deaths are on the rise due to more summer heat waves as a result of global warming. Ten times that many people DO NOT die due to cold related deaths as a result of global warming (eg heart attack while shovelling snow).

Public health is number 1!
Matt

Comment #69 - Posted by: Jared

The above is reason enough to be environmentally friendly.

I concur, but would caveat that I would abdicate the choice for something as important as making environmentally friendly choices - make the choice, encourage others to make the choice, start a non-profit to gather funds to incentivize making good choices, get Beyonce' to dance naked for people who make 'environmentally friendly' choices. That's all good.

Coercive govt force to get other to do what the minority thinks is right - that's bad.

Regarding the lifting of objects: One technique I have not yet seen in lifting objects in CrossFit is the "continental" style lift whereby you roll the object from the top of the thighs to the rack position. This is the optimal technique for heavy, wide objects that do not allow the lifter to keep the center of gravity close to the lifter. Examples are the strongman log and spherical stone lifts.

Kelly is using the standard CrossFit med ball clean technique. The sandbag is 60 kilos--still light enough to not have to use the thighs and torso.

Can't get the article (404 error)... :(

Did see an interesting one by Hitchens though on scrapping the CIA and starting over.

Do you suppose they're making their own rogue power plays?

http://www.slate.com/id/2179593/?gt1=10733

Cam... I know where that workout came from

Allison~
Doing battle...
Getting our struggle on...
getting hideous...
tearing it up...

ENTERING THE VOMITORIUM!!

And no baby, not trying to scare you away! If anything, trying to get you as pumped as the rest of us!

~J~

#69 Jared - I agree with you on the GW issue. Regardless of whether we do or do not cause the global warming (or whether or not is cyclical), we should intelligently try to take care of the environment. I am not an extremist on this. I plug for common sense things like turning off lights when not needed, not throwing junk into retention ponds and rivers, etc. I also try to recycle. This may cause some pollution, extra costs, etc., but landfills are getting out of control.

Bingo - wow, I almost got a brain cramp trying to follow your post- in a good way (I had to concentrate). Interesting to consider GW from a economic theory standpoint. Objective consideration is a wonderful thing. It beats the emotional hyperboles from extremists on both sides, like you said.

I don't think the article was necessarily trying to belittle the idea of GW, but to use extreme ridiculousness to demonstrate a point. People need to keep a perspective on GW. The two poems are talking about the value of human life. Some of the GW extremists seem to almost value the environment over humanity. That's screwed up. I think that was the lasting point of the article - not to devalue human life in the cause of GW.

Jay H., you mention overpopulation. That issue was hyped up during the 90s (and the 70s). After the Cairo Conference was over, it pretty much died down. Overpopulation isn't the cause of most of the multitude of evils that are attributed to it. Poverty is. This is an entirely different topic, but it's similar to GW in the emotions that it stirs up. At any rate, I agree with you on the idea that there needs to be a balance in thinking about this issue.

Hey guys,

While down at Primal Fitness in DC come and check us out too. CrossFit Extreme Fitness in Rockville MD. We are about 20 - 30 min. away depending on when you go.

Would love to have a throwdown!

Kelly now i have to do that workout... Thanks! :-)

Matt #92 intuits that there might be more helpful uses for the resources that would be applied to intervene to reverse presumed AGW, other interventions that might provide more tangible benefits in a more obvious, more timely fashion. Bravo.

At www.techcentralstation.com this morning there is a treatise on "blowback", the phenomenon of negative unintended consequences from acts of commission and acts of omission. My view is that we have a "zero-sum game" at hand with regard to massive macro issues; any major investment in one (AGW) necessarily prevents investment in another (potable water availability). The pragmatic in me is much more attracted to the investment where the result is likely to be more predictable, where the outcome is more likely to be measureable along a tighter, shorter time line, especially when I can more accurately predict the negative consequences of action or inaction for a particular investment.

Your So Rad Kelly!!! Cant wait to get to SF and really see your place, not just run by it:-)

Hey Paul, I've decided that our participation on Rest Day is directly proportional to our "Honey Do" lists when we are at home, and our desire to avoid them...

Comment #83 - Posted by: bingo

I think that's what I though I was saying, and wanted to be saying, and should have been saying for the last 11 months about AGW, but wasn't disciplined enough to put it together. Bingo, it was a thing of beauty, thanks.

I fear the economically apathetic will not get it - but there's nothing to be done about that today.

Paul

Comment #88 - Posted by: Windsor

Windsor, nicely stated, and if you meld that line of thinking with Bingo's thing of beauty, the question is, how much waste should you or I or anyone be willing to sink into an effort which will be overshadowed by China and India's blossoming efforts to bring their people out of poverty?

My answer is - as much as you or I choose to based on our free will, our values, and our sense of the cost/benefit.

What if, additionally, we removed govt barriers to innovation and let the growth of technology provide us with what we want anyway - more and better power through market solutions vice coercive govt interventions?

31/m/215/6'1

Been doing crossfit for 2 weeks and can already see a difference. Still learning-

Question for the group: looking at purchasing kettlebells: any advice on places to purchase or weight increments that are useful to the workouts that are rx'd.

Thanks all!

Comment #92 - Posted by: Matt

I second Bingo's bravo.

About climatogoloy,
Let me propose to you a survey. This survey will be comprised of about 200 or so people, of them only 50 will have any accurate memory to speak of. This survey will also include about 5500 diaries of dead people. We are going to use this data to answer a range of questions but it does not matter what the survey is about. We are going to apply that survey sample to represent that of 2 BILLION people. How confident in these results are you?

Climatology is basically that. 200 years of data, the last 50 years of which are actually accurate. Then climatologists look back at things like 5000 year old glacial layers to try to deduce what things were like in the polar ice caps 5000 yrs ago. Then they are going to assume that based on this data that the climate change of today is all our fault, despite 2 billion years of Earths existence. Laughable at best.

What we know with confidence is that Earth has gone thru a great deal of climate change in her long existence. I doubt it is any coincidence that the same group of 'elitists' who believe in a collective society happen to be 'climate elitists' as if humans are responsible and only humans can fix it.

Oh, and Rest Day as Rx'd.

Paul and Bingo-
May I be so bold as to suggest multitasking? Unfortunately, I tend to multitask to the outcome of being inefficient and looking more like a chicken with it's head cut off as compared to a hummingbird.

Also, I have found sleep to be highly over rated (this coming from an insomniac, no less!) and takes to much time.

Just funning around! :-)

Kate

Kicked Angie's Ass 2 day.

Angie 10:30 . . . I will get in the 9 minute range next time.

My wife did Angie in 13:00.

Boo-ya two crossfitter lurkers putting up big numbers. I want to come to a Cert but it is hard with my practice and other businesses. i may just show up in California for the Crossfit games and intro. myself there in 2008. I have put about 8 patients on Crossfit and would love to help finance one down here in Naples, Florida if anyone is in the know.

Bingo/#101 - I hear you brother! I'm actually home as Mr. Mom for a while as J works on her professional training. Waiting for #3 to fall asleep so I can get outside and do some work. I always get a reality check on J's life when I do her job - most challenging to set aside all the stuff I think I have to get done and do what really matters, which for the next five days is to keep the kids alive and thriving, and the house clean enough to facilitate same!

I must bow out now - but what a great indulgence to be able to get back to thinking and writing after lo these many months of moving, learning a new job, training a client, building a garage and trying to make everyone in my house glad I'm not still in Iraq.

#104/Chris - most KB WODs can be covered by a 1 or 1.5 POOD KB, which is ~35 and 52.5 pounds as I recall. I wish I could rember where I got mine - $110 for two, delivered. However, if you go to this link - http://www.crossfitequipment.com/ - I can say I've dealt with them three times with complete satisfaction.

I think #3 may have just let himself fall asleep, time to get some work done.

In there time, dinosaurs caused global warming. Look what happened to them! ;)

Bingo and Appolloswabbie--

lots of cost/benefit analysis has been done re actions to address climate change. the govt has done analysis, private firms have done it. insurance companies also have done analysis of their risks--they're profoundly worried. the analysis includes costs to society. value of new jobs created. costs of not acting, i.e. damage resulting from likely consequences of warming. people have compared the cost of early action versus the cost of waiting to act.

in some areas, like renewable energy, the govt (state and federal) has provided incentives to drive the development and implementation of new technology. the current stalled energy bill includes a production tax credit that has been essential to the development of some clean resources. the idea that the govt should just get out of the way seems naive, given the intricacy of policy, tax rules (like accelerated depreciation), and so on.

no doubt you saw that the arctic ice has melted more than has ever been witnessed in recent times, and the greenland ice sheet has melted far beyond expectations. embrace the precautionary principle.

cheers.

Solly, bravo, thanks for a simple, brilliant analysis.

# 99 Judd,

Brother, sounds like a time to get the kilts on and get medieval. Good times.

# 93 Paul,

I would gladly donate an appropriate sum to any cause that Beyonce finds worthy to perform under those trying conditions.

I think the point is missed by both sides, tree-hugging pinko and seal clubbing neo-con alike. It matters NOT what has caused the current state of GW (we all know mamma nature does this at whim regardless of the hubris of man), but rather that we can lessen our contribution to the straws that will inevitably put the camel in traction. To do otherwise is selfish at best and plain shortsited.

The annoyance level of the high pitched whining of arsenozzles like Al Gore is nearly excused by the fundamentally flawed ignorance that we should continue to perform our worst because we are simply not the cause.

You and I have been here before and we agree if memory serves the task at hand: civilization needs, by definition, laws that protect the group from the individual and should shun laws or regulation forced upon us to try and protect the individual from themselves. Seatbelt laws and no smoking laws scream loudly on that tack, for certain. I know your feelings that the gov should keep its regulatory finger out of both private and corporate life, but cant seem to come to terms with how polutants and poisons whose dumping leans toward greater profitablity and a raised 'standard of living' can be checked or stopped by anything but a gov that reglulates said.

suggestions welcome as always.

Bingo,
there is already a branch of economics called Environmental Economics which deals exactly with the issues you suggest. You are right, calculations and rational should dominate this issue, not emotions.
However, economists deal not only with money, they (or may be I should say "we") deal also with utility. They assume that it is each individual's choice to maximize his utility. And the following questions come to my mind:
1. Are you going to be worse off if you use energy saving light bulbs?
2. Are you going to be worse off if you don't drive to work in a car big enough to take 10 people and 3 polar bears, but you use public transportation, bike or a smaller car?
3. Are you going to be worse off if you decrease the temperature in your home by a few degrees?
4. Are you going to be worse off if you separate your garbage so that it can be recycled?
5. Are you going to be worse off if you switch off any electric appliances you are not using at the moment?

My answer to this questions is: No, I am not worse off and the environment is better off.
This is an example of Pareto inefficient situation: you can make at least one individual better off, without making anyone worse off.

did variation of filthy fifty today:
m/31/185

box jumps=28"
jumping pu's=as rx'd
swings=55lb dumbell
lunges=as rx'd
k to e's=as rx'd
push press=as rx'd
back ext.=as rx'd
wall ball=12lb ball. 12' target
burpees=as rx'd (form completely shot by now)
double unders=200 single unders
39:14

InfidelSix - that is a disturbing article. I hadn't thought about all of the ramifications of the NIE. I had seen the point about it dooming the cause for sanctions at the UN, though, in The Economist. There must be some internal crud going on at CIA... That stinks - it doesn't need any more credibility issues (nor by extension does the US).

#31 - JC

Well articulated. The Truth scares the righties (which I myself am a recovering rightie).

Comment #114 - Posted by: Evgeni

I agree wholeheartedly and as I've said ad nauseum, as long as your passionate, thoughtful advocacy does not extend to having govt do the cost benefit analysis for me, I'm all for it and appreciate your conscientious approach to life, and aspire to emulate it.

Chef,

Points well made as always - and, simply, and therefore incompletely and full of holesly, I prefer the British system of private ownership as the best solution for the polution issues you mention.

Seatbelts and smoking - the irresistable urge to force people to do the easy right thing in order to build election points - I believe it is a fundamental right to choose one's own risk/reward profile. Anti smoking's tougher because govt should in fact protect the rights of individuals, but in my view, the over-riding individual right in most of the smoking legislation is the right of the owner of the proerty and the business to establish the behavioral conditions of those to choose to enter the premises.

I know your distrust of corporate power, and appreciate it, but observe that govt has more power than business, and there's nothing govt is accountable to - whereas, fundamentally, unless the conditions are altered by govt intervention - a business has to bring a product to those who want it at a price that beats the competition or it will cease to exist. Businesses exist to give us what we want - that's a far better place to work from than govt that has only one way to provide influence, which is at gun point.

Paul

I didn't know the ROKAF was in Afghanistan...nice photo.

TomR #111: please re-read my original post, especially the first analysis. All of the cost/benefit analyses you note assume that all GW is AGW, grossly overestimating the effect of behavioural change on GW. Surely you don't think that all GW is AGW, do you?

Evgeni #114: your points are well-taken. It is the legislated behavioral changes that are so frightening, the global changes that would be mandated by the proponents of AGW as the sole or major cause of GW. Massive mandates that affect entire industries and entire national economies, mandates that cost billions of $$ in direct costs and another billions of $$ in indirect costs (including the costs of allocating these funds to AGW and not other worthy global macro issues). By all means enact 1-5 in your post and encourage others to do so as well. Just don't cave in to the AGW extremists who insist that we must legislate this and much, much more.

I'll say it again, silly penquins.

Off to work, a low carbon enterprise. Although I did have beans for lunch today...

Some thoughts...

A) There's an interesting story on LiveScience.com about how magma may be causing Greenland's ice to melt.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/071213-greenland-magma.html

Greenland's ice melts have generally been used as evidence that the climate models are correct or that things are in fact happening faster than the models predicted.

B) One thing that irks me is the misuse of global warming as an explanation for any weather event. In a year with more hurricanes than average, I've heard people blame global warming. This year we barely had any hurricanes and there is silence. Warm day? Global warming. Cold day? Silence.

C) I've definitely heard this line of logic: global warming will cause our destruction, capitalism is the cause of global warming, therefore we should be socialists... that scares me.

D) I've seen some environmental trends come and go: hole in the ozone and destruction of the rain forest come to mind. It feels like global warming is just the latest trend/thing to panic about.

E) Having said all of the above, I do think we need to be conscientious in our use of resources, we should pollute less, and that we would do well to end our dependence on foreign oil. If a little hysteria about global warming moves us along, that's fine with me.

Shane -

You asked if it was a scam who was benefitting from it. Look into "carbon offsets". New companies are popping up whose whole job is to make you feel better about your "carbon footprint". You take a plane to go on vacation and for $37 extra they'll plant a tree or take the bus to work or some such other "green" action in your stead. Wish I could find the article that talks about how heavily invested quite a few different congressmen are in these carbon offset companies... almost to the point you start wondering if there is some conflict of interest happening/will happen.

I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate people trying to offset other people's life-styles to cause good, just when there is money (and lots of it) to be made by an extremist viewpoint, I'm skeptical that there isn't abuse being done.

Me: 41yo/M/5'10"/190lbs

Warmup: stretching

1 hour of Jiu Jitsu instruction and sparring

I have begun teaching a new training partner who has good kinesthetics and is very strong. We discussed basic punching, kicking, the clinch, and a basic judo throw. We practiced the basic jiu jitsu positions on the ground and the flow drill: pass the guard to side control to mount and reversal while mounted. We went over one submission: shoulder lock from the mount. We sparred for 15 min using only the techniques discussed today. It went well and was a good active rest day. Next time we'll go over the same drills and practice the basic judo positions and train one throw. Good luck to Ben and I hope he sticks with it.

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

hmmmmmmm. Last Republican debate the top 3 contenders had this to say on Wednesday about GW (I guess if a Republican candidate says GW is real, it must be true? That seems to be the lithmus test for Righties. I wish I could make this stuff up, but reality is by far better than fiction. The Truth, once again, hurts. Let's tune in to what the Righties said on Wednesday):

JOHNSTON, United States (AFP) — Several Republican presidential hopefuls on Wednesday declared global warming was real, risking the ire of some staunch conservatives, in a rare foray into the climate change debate.

Senator John McCain and former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani supported US efforts to combat greenhouse gas emissions, during a last chance presidential debate, 22 days before Iowa's leadoff nominating contests.

"It's real, we have got to address it," said Arizona senator McCain, who is trying to bounce back after a campaign slump earlier this year.

"But ... suppose that climate change is not real and all we do is adopt green technologies ... then all we've done is given our kids a cleaner world," McCain said, backing a cap-and-trade system to cut harmful emissions.

Giuliani, who differs from some conservatives on social issues, also warned of the perils of global warming.

"Climate change is real. It's happening. I believe human beings are contributing to it," he said, calling for a "Manhattan project" to wean the United States off sources of foreign energy.

Fellow Republican Mitt Romney, who has fallen behind surging former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee in Iowa -- a must-win in his campaign strategy -- said the United States could not act alone.

"We call it global warming, not America warming. So let's not put a burden on us alone and have the rest of the world skate by without having to participate in this effort. It's a global effort."

31/f/136
Okay, so I found out today that I SUCK at back squats. I'm still feeling tired from Angie, though, so it was rough.
500M row, 30 samson lunges, overhead squats, 50 d-unders to WU.
I did a light Helen (used a 30# dumbbell for the swings) as a sort of warm-up, too. 14:24

THEN:
95x5
115x3
135x3
155x3
185 (f)
185x1(w/spot)
170x1
170x1
170x1

AUGH! I'm a little disappointed. I was thinking I'd try to get 205 but clearly not even close. This was my first attempt at back squats so I'm gonna try to not take it too hard.

Kelly will soon be the proud owner of PINK ARM WARMERS that read down the arm's "UN-SCARED MOTHERF#@$ER"... Taking names son!

CFNB

Wow, just wow.

Here's the issue. A lot of people here just look at the side of the issues (which is GW here, but can be applied to any topic) that support what they want to believe. If you just look at what AEI tells you to believe, you're not going to get the entire perspective. As with most things the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Some people would say they read information from both sides, the problem is if you read with your mind already made up, it's no better than looking at only one side. You have to be able to think critically of both sides and ask the tough questions:

Who stands to profit from outcome X?
Who will is behind each side and what is their agenda?
Have I looked at the evidence? Not just from the reports, but the actual scientific studies? From both sides?

This is the way (but not limited to) an opinion should be formed on any matter. The thing is this is the hardest thing to do: thinking for yourself. Most people just want to be 'on the team' and devote themselves to one side and just take up their views with no thought at all. It baffles me how, in a free country, people give up the right to think for themselves. Many of the responses here just scream of total devotion to an party agenda with a total lack of understanding of what they're saying or the science behind it(or lack there of).

Crossfit workout in my bedroom. I don't have a garage. As much as I love the Black Box the only thing I'm leaving my house for in this snowstorm is a coffee and a sugar free red bull.

5 rounds for time with 20lb KB

10 wallball subs
10 swings
10 H2H swings
10 clean and presses each side
10 snatches each side

20:30

It's nice to be able to fall into a bed instead of the floor. Of course I have to change my sheets now but whatever.

My hands are such a mess. I feel bad for the next guy I date. When he asks me scratch his back I won't have to use my nails.. I can just rub the palms of my hands on him.

J roCK: Are you serious? Since when do I need help getting excited about CrossFit? The real question is do you think You can hang with Me? ;)

bingo--

the cost/benefit analyses to which I refer relate to activities to address human-driven warming--CO2 from power plant and transportation, methane from landfills, fugitive natural gas emissions, and such.

#123--

regarding the hole in the ozone layer. remember the montreal protocol? international co-operation that largely eliminated the use of compounds responsible for ozone depletion. civilized humans addressed the problem, so that's why you don't hear about it.

Paul,

Leaving the process up to the power of the consumer to choose a product that best fills a perceived short term need while also protecting the more profound long term needs of sustainability presents a conundrum at best.

I know less than a handful of individuals here inside the Beltway that support any proposal that provides a hint of a solution other than short term profitablity. Asking the average worker to spend twice the price on lettuce so as to support local AMERICAN farmers hasn't worked worth a damn. Voluntary conservation has been a flop accross the board and my underlying fear is that we will indeed, once again, have to face catastrophe before public opinion brings about meaninful change in our grotesque levels of consumption.

Historicly we dont have that great a track record for 'foresight' in general. It was the 'tree huggers' of their generation that screamed about the phosphate mining of the Bolivian plain that created a dead zone larger than Rhode Island. The industrial barons of the day screamed bloody murder that no one should dare slow the pace of 'progress' or suggest the horrificly un-American idea that paying more now is better than what will flop out of the box we cant close down the line.

So wherein lies the answer? Leaving the course of human events up to the profit margins of today? Of course that sounds wonderful on paper, but keep in mind that The people have no issues clearcutting all the forests world wide to supply their immediate needs. Is that 'ok' with everyone? 'We need now so let the generations that follow be damned'? We are approaching at best (and have more likely than not surpassed) a level of sustainable consumption and/or growth. The unnerveing answer I hear from most on the right is 'Tough, thats the way things are and our grandkids or their grandkids dont matter. Consume and explode to your hearts content: it's what nature intended.'

Are we predestined to live it up ala the twilight of rome only to raise our hands in despair when its too late to effect a meaningul solution? To mind jumps the bitching about China and the trade chasm/compromised food and drug supply. As a people we not only sanctioned that problem, we DEMANDED IT! It's cheeper from there, so its worth the neandraphuck level of risk/reward. Government is too expensive already, we cant hire a million inspectors to safeguard the food/drug supply the production of which we so easily cast offshore to make a few more dollars.

I suppose it boils down to my fundamental ire brought about by those that buy foreign everything and support industry that flings itself offshore for profit claiming to do otherwise is 'unamerican' or 'comunist' or 'doesnt support our economy' and then whine about the long term damage.

The practice of commending those willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in uniform to protect our way of life, followed by bashing those that suggest we all sacrifice the comfort of the low prices at the cash register to support that same way of life is confounding.

Ok, rambling has set it so i best go on to burpee pullups to equalize.

Allison Allison Allison...don't you be talkin no smack now grl! LOL! I KNOW you need no help getting pumped, and it will be a beautiful beautiful Decemebr 22nd day to get filthy nasty next to all of you (This is a Christmas present to myself that you all, the affiliates, the WODS are all wrapped up with a bow on top...SERIOUSLY, I am that excited!)!

Who'll make it to the bucket first....hmmm...that I wonder!? LOL

CAn't wait to see you there!

~J~
~Train Hard and Push Throuhgh "IT"!~

SheepDawg

Though I am neither Dem or Rep, I look at any change of attitude during this cycle of the Presidential race to be candidates shifting in the breeze. These guys probably haven't changed their minds, if they have ones to change, they probably just ran polls and found out that there is a better chance at being elected if they are seen in one light rather than another as far as this topic. So whatever has the better chance of getting them votes, that's what they stand for. I put no sway in their current change in ideology, they are politicians and not scientists, after all.

-Trip

Am I the only person who read to the bottom of that page, comments and all? There are two rather long posts regarding sunspots and their effect on solar output. The fact that cycle 24 has not begun with no indication when it will, has in past history indicated in an inevitable cooling trend up to and including a mini ice age. A period of extreme cold would be devestating to human existence on this planet. Nature has a way of evening things out.

Most people in the global warming debate have their hearts in the right place. that's why i hate hearing labels like 'tree huggers' being thrown around. but what really amazes me is how many people have an opinion and haven't even looked at any real data.

we've made global warming an emotional issue so people are responding to it in that way. emotional arguments rarely have much logic to them. looking at data you can see that some places have gotten colder while others have goten warmer. in other words scientists really have no idea what's going on. but who funds the scientists? ah, businesses, and environmental organizations. so of course we're going to get political debates about the issues instead of scientific ones.

yes, some ice is melting in antarctica but some is also getting thicker. no one can predict the weather for the next week (anyone ever wanted to strangle the weather guy?) let alone hundreds of years into the future. of course i do believe we should reduce our impact on the earth, but we don't need to be so crisis hungry either.

What's the Workout going to be? filthy fifty?

ATTENTION
Coach and crossfit community.....I have to vent a little. Some history, Ive been doing Crossfit since May of 2007,We started at the Fire station, and havent looked back. I can honestly say that Crossfit is the best fitness program available not only for firefighters,but for the general public as well. Ive tried all of the usual programs, crossfit is the most well rounded,functional and challenging method around.
Coach, you are truly a visionary...the Bruce Lee of fitness(take what is useful....discard what is not) and you have a wonderful no b@#!$##it approach to fitness, nutrition, and life.All i can say is THANK YOU!
To the crossfit community, what can I say; In no other sport or fitness activity is there so much support, so much feeling of camaraderie. Thanks community!
I have a Question, maybe there is no answer to, but please any imput would be great.
A couple of situations for your comments;
1) today I went in search for a martial arts to add to my training. I went to the local Krav Maga studio, a very nice place i might add, as i was being interviewed the gentleman at the fornt desk asked me if I did anything for fitness. I told him that I did crossfit, he asked me if i was an instructor, i told him that i was level 1 cert. and that i will be opening an affiliate out of my garage soon. He got a strange look on his face,went to a back room came back out, and told me that he couldnt accept me as a student.
The reason for this is because that they have their own fitness program, i explained that i wasnt there for their fitness program, or to "steal their clients",just the krav maga.Sorry
thats our policy.
Another story, I work for a large fire dept in a large, hot southwest city,Ive approached the fitness directors of my fire dept about
crossfit,their response;"For the people who are in the worst shape,crossfit is dangerous, for the people who are in good shape,...well they are already in good shape they dont need crossfit."

Is this the most backwards thinking around, or am I just too sensitive.

I am on a personal crusade to spread the word of crossfit. I will have my affiliate in Phoenix soon and i will do everything that i can to spread crossfit to anyone willing to go against the OLD Paradigm.

Oh by the Way i will not exclude anyone from training, at my affiliate.

Thanks for any comments or your own stories.

#120 Chris from Tx - I assume you are referring to the symbol on the wing when you concluded it is a ROKAF Viper. That is interesting because I've never seen a US jet with any symbol other than the star in a circle with wings thing, but the pilot has a US flag on his lap. Is it an American flying another country's jet maybe?

Filthy fifty...I hope not! Hopefully it will be bordering the line of blasfemy!
LOL
~J~

Angie- 28:44

The CO2 portion of the earth's atmosphere is in the neighborhood of just under 380 parts per million. Which is rediculously insignificant. Makes you wonder how plants survive.

Water Vapor on the other hand makes up 95% of our atmosphere and is the single significant factor effecting global warming or cooling. Don't worry facts and numbers never stopped a good socialist.

Two years ago Al Gore Said the ice caps would melt in 7 years and cause a global flood. The Northern Cap has since recovered to 1% of normal and the Southern Cap has actually grown by 772,000 square miles of ice cover. No Liberal Explaination forthcoming (unless they find a way to take credit for it)

You may ask, "Why pick on CO2 if its so insignificant?" I'll tell you why... Industrialization, Capitalism at its core, produces CO2, Breathing produces CO2. Everything a modern or modernizing country does produces CO2 and Capitalism is the enemy or socialists and marxists everywhere and... because they would never get away with taxing water vapor, they needed to find another culprit they could eventually tax us on. Think of their feeble attempts at guaging people's "Green Footprint".
ITS A TAX and if the Socialis...uh...i mean Environmentalists have their way we'll all be paying it soon enough.

Stop being scammed people. Even if CF lighting and hybrid cars could reduce all CO2 we would still face the an actual threat of lead poisoning from landfills being inundated with Car batteries and dead flourescent bulbs.

Scott,

Krav Maga has a following here, but largely it's a marketing gimmick. It's there to make money much like the local tae kwon do schools. It's not really about self defense or fighting.

EVERYONE

You have to check this out on utube

type in

Murder on the Pull up bar GIANT and THE BEAST

I can't imagine what these guys would do with Crossfit!

NYC STYLE BABY

41yo/f/160#
CFWU x2 + good mornings, step up on 24 & 36" box
Back squat full depth, no spot
45#-15x, 65#-15x, 95#-10x,115#-8x, 135#-5x 145-3x/3sets
155#-1x, 160#-1x, 165#-1x, 170#-1x, 185#-1x

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjFN-m2VOM

Skin the cats, muscle ups, pull-ups on the next next next level

I'M TAKING NEEDED REST TODAY.

REST DAY + LOW ENERGY = IN-N-OUT

YES . YES . YES!

ROBERT S.
TUCSON, AZ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L040V5Znq0

Ok so these guys are called the BAR-tendaz. They're bringing fitness to kids in neighborhoods that really need it.

I went to school in one of the worse neighborhoods in Brooklyn when I was a little girl. I'm sure they could benefit from fitness programs like this.

I went through the NYC public school system and know first hand that the Physical Education Program needs serious help. Does anyone know how we can get CrossFit in the schools???

Maybe this can be a rest day discussion one day.

I don't know about that. Have you ever had to have a meaningful converstion with a teacher?

I like Kelly's sand bag. One tough bag!

Norm

I have looked through the message board, can't figure out how to search and didn't find what I'm looking for.

Anyone have any info on the zone diet with relation to diabites. I have a coworker whos husband was recently diagnosed and she is looking at ways to change his diet to help. Thanks in advance for your help. this site has become my goto place for info. You guys know everything!

Scott

M/22/6'1"/185

"Heavyweight Fight Gone Bad"
Wall Ball - 30#
SDLHP - 135
Box Jump - 36"
Push Press - 135
Row

Rd. 1 = 31, 17, 15, 18, 23 = 104
Rd. 2 = 33, 18, 17, 18, 22 = 108
Rd. 3 = 32, 15, 15, 16, 23 = 106
Total = 318.
That'll do pig, that'll do.
The heavy SDLHP's really knocked the wind right out of me
Row's way down from normal FGB

The snowstorm in NY right now is really making want to go out and play some football. I heart days off work.

here's my loads from yesterdays wo;I did it this morning.

135x5
225x3
235x3
245x3
265x1
285x1
295x1
305x1
315x1
haven't back squated in like two months so i was a lil of.

Climate contrarians have to up their game. You know your thinking is calcified when there's a comprehensive, thoroughly-sourced website debunking your arguments based on the exact specific phrases that you use ("scientists don't know what's happening", "we can't predict the weather next week", "water vapor is more important than CO2", "Antarctic ice is increasing", to just name a few).

"How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic"
http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics

(This would make a fine rest-day discussion link, in fact. What are the chances of it?)

Check it out. The site could be a bunch of bull, completely wrong, lefty hippy privately-funded propaganda. But if you're a true fan of rationality, you'll at the very least peruse (or at least be flattered) that there's a webpage built to address your own personal argument.

If you still think the responses are wrong, then heck, let's debate the finer points. But these bland, vague dismissals have been addressed. And they're so 2003.