Gonna do this one slow and methodical, full range. Screw time, I want form to be perfect.

get em' heckle the hippies freedom of speech goes both ways

That picture is AWESOME!

coach stole my quote

Was that flick taken on k Street DC ?

Rest for tournament this weekend. Will do CFWU.

Last time we did this I got my first ever rotator cuff injury! I'm at about 95% and am going to do this tomorrow, but am a bit scared. Might have to scale.

Thanks, Lauren, for posting the picture. I just happened to be wearing that shirt and my girlfriend captured it. Perfect. That was a trying day for sure. We gave as good as we got. ANSWER is trying to say that they had 100,000 protesters there, but if they had 10,000 I'd be surprised.

We were part of the "Gathering of Eagles." We had about 2,000 there. It was sad that the "counter-protest" was the American flag. The only American flags the protesters carried were upside-down. Sad.

Since I've been home I sincerely find it difficult to understand why it's so hard for people to understand the nature of this enemy we're fighting and that they do not want peace. If we pull out now, that doesn't change a thing. They want to kill us all.

I was probably at an all-time low after the protest because I just couldn't come to grips with how disgusting what I saw at the protest was. I really wondered if it was worth fighting for. I've even considered getting out of the military after almost 15 years of honorable service and four tours overseas.

Then a new day dawned and I remembered something Ben Franklin said. All his years he spent staring at a chair in the newly formed Congress' chambers. This chair had a partially showing sun on the horizon. He often wondered if that sun was rising or setting.

After the tumultuous process of forming our Constitution he was certain that it was a rising sun he saw on that chair and that was a metaphor for the birth of our new nation. Our best days were ahead.

I sincerely believe that our best days are ahead, but we all must have something to believe in. It's all how we look at things. Either we're the greatest country in the world and we exist as a light to a dark world, or we're pawns of a neo-con agenda that wants to control the world's resources and let corporations buy them wholesale. Are we freeing more people than any other nation in the history of the world or are we creating more terrorists than ever existed before?

What do you believe? I have hope that we are the good guys and that there is something greater at work in this world. I've met so many Gold Star families and I can't help but tear up when I hear them talk about their fallen. If their sacrifices were in vain then I don't know what to believe in anymore. I will not let their sacrifices be in vain nor should any of you.

So as I watched these miserable creatures who have no chance of being free if not for the exertions of better men then themselves stumble by, I implored them to enjoy their freedom of speech...COURTESY OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY!!

Thanks, Coach,

-Dennis

Just finished my first week of crossfit and still getting used to it; probably going to scale it down to 95 lbs to keep up good form.

Tenacious D, I have been posting here for over a year, and up to now, had no idea who you were...you sum up the conflict that I and many others have inside themselves, that decision that we have to make...what do we believe? You make your argument succinctly, and I happen to agree with you, if for no other reason than that I don't want to consider the alternative if we are wrong...as for you personally, thank you for everything that you have done, and continue to do. You have my utmost respect, and I cannot fathom the courage and bravery that it takes to do your job. Carry on.

Well spoken, D. I cant speak for all USAF, but i am behind you 100% and I feel your strife. I worked in DC for five years, so this pic really hits home.

I think I will use some of the motivation I feel now for Grace tomorrow.

Are these split jerks or standard push jerks? In the clean & jerk demo on the site is done with a split jerk following a full clean. The video simply marked 'jerk' has splits, and the video marked 'push jerk' is standard foot position. Which one should I use for grace?

Tenacious D - nice comment, that pretty much says it all...I don't know what branch you're in, but I'll give you a hearty SEMPER FI from this former Marine. Stay hard, and keep charging.

Full squat cleans? Or power cleans?

sweet, Grace is one of my favorites. I have a feeling I will sweat more doing the WOD then I will during my scheduled 5 mile run tomorrow.

Grace is traditionally performed as a ground to overhead "anyhow." If you have the strength, you'll probably find that power cleans and push jerks afford you the most efficiency.

Tenacious "D"- Good Job Brother. Way to put your money where your mouth is.

Tenacious D

Thanks for your years of service !!

Grace is my favorite, but alas, I'm saving myself ... for Coach Burgener this weekend!

Tenacious D.
thanks for your comments and service. I am glad you came to the conclusions you did.

My brother-in-law shipped off this past Monday as a company XO with the 1/8. We have a special bond as I was a former Marine and we never pass up a chance to toast to Chesty Puller - that fighting SOB. After everyone else said their goodbyes, I hugged him, told him I loved him and finally said, "Good hunting." He understood what I meant and has no doubt that I support him 100%.

With that said, he also knows that I'm no supporter of the Bush administration and its so-called global war on terror. Somehow, the act of protesting and speaking out against the war is tantamount to treason - a very convenient literary neo-con trick. Don't question the war, don't sacrifice, don't conserve, don't stop consuming, don't ask why the Bush administration ignored pre-war assessments that warned about IEDs and suicide bombings, don't ask how the shameful treatments of our veterans could have happened. Just trust the wisemen currently leading our nation. Yeah, right.

Tenacious D, you are a brother in arms. But don't think for a second that I believe this adminstration deserves your blood, sweat and tears. They don't. They are inept and at the same time full of a blinding arrogance. They seek to nation build and do so in a manner not unlike a drunk driver trying to operate a 5-ton.

Ironically, as much as I think this war had dubious justifications, I don't feel we can leave. We have broken Iraq, therefore we have legal and moral obligations to put it together again. However, we're not going to accomplish that with 100,000 civilian contractors operating in a theater of war.

Quick aside, I've often advocated that we need far more troops for a security and building action than for a kill 'em all operation. I've said before that Gen Shinseki even testified pre-OIF that we would need at least several hundred thousand troops. That statement was criticized because Shinseki was "just" Army Chief of Staff, he's not a war fighter. I was amused recently when Gen Petraeus was asked a question about troop level requirements post-surge and he replied that troop level needs are best answered by the Army Chief of Staff.

Anyway, what are we to make of this war when President Bush recently said that his vision of our accomplished mission in Iraq would leave the country looking a lot like Israel. What that signals to me is that this administration doesn't know what it's doing anymore. And that's what is so galling about this situation - honorable warriors like you and my brother-in-law serving under arrogant fools that didn't even know Iraq had holy Shia sites.

Lastly, I wouldn't pay attention to all that democratic talk about pulling out of Iraq next year or whatever. We can't leave. There are people, smart even, who have already communicated probable scenarios that would follow a pull out that occurs too soon. Not gonna happen. All that talk is just political theater aimed at their respective base. We'll be in Iraq for many more years. What the political moderates need to do is work together to create a true long term vision of how the Iraqi occupation should best be played out. Also, everybody needs to get over this idea that we can't possibly put more troops in Iraq. This is a war and if it is truly global, then we need to make sure we have global-level troop strength.

Ok, I'm done. Tenacious D, I'm happy that you're home. I hope you don't go back. When you do, good hunting and I'll toast you when you return.

peace

See you there InfidelSix. I too am taking an extra rest day in preparation for the Oly Cert. Looking forward to it!

Tenacious D. thank you for your service and for attending the counter protest. There is still hope for our country.

Interesting that you say that Tony B. I may afford for the power clean and push jerk route rather than full squat clean, split jerk route.

I'll take this as, "I have to get rocks off my buddy and out of the hole he's in as quickly as possible type of workout."

I did this one at 135lbs doing power cleans.
14:44

I'm with you D. Those people choose to live in darkness, the sad thing is that the reason they can is because of guys like you. They think that peace will just happen if we do nothing. When ied's start blowing up outside their houses, I'm sure they'll change their tune. Thanks for all you do buddy.

Get some.

Comment #21

Phillip,
Point well said. I don't think I could of said it any better. Though I agree the men and women over there are fighting an honorable and good fight and have my utmost respect and gratitude, our own leadership lacks foresight. I owe my life and freedom to the men and women of the armed forces in Iraq and those that have fought in the past, however I am disapointed by our current administrations direction, reasoning, and vision for the whole situation.

10.26
as Rxed

Well done Eagles.

on the clean and jerk do I alternate which legs every rep or put the same leg foward everytime. I watched the video and they do two reps and always have the same leg foward.

Tenacious D,

I spent 3 weeks attending training at Fort Sam Houston last summer. Those three weeks were the most humbling days I have experienced.

In spite of the horrible injuries many of those heroes suffered, each one of them said they planned on returning to the fight; returning to the side of their fellow warriors. The courage and strength those men and women demonstrated was absolutely remarkable. I felt totally inadequate when talking to them and hearing there stories. You and they are bonafide heroes.

My simple words here cannot express how greatful my family and I are for the courage of the military men and women to stand up and fight for us. Hold your head high and be proud that you are unwilling to live in the misery of those demostrators.

hey can anyone with pics from the cert, email some to me?

Awesome picture!! way to go GOE

Let's not forget that there are people out there who want to kill Freedom regardless of whether we are in Iraq or not.

Instead of ranting, spitting out BS numbers and denouncing the good we are trying to accomplish, put your brain to use and find a solution.

m/180/6ft/35yr

10:12 as rx'd (60kg).

On sodden, muddy, lumpy grass. In jogging shoes with absolutely no profile. Stopping repeatedly to re-stack my pile of cardboard and old sheets to protect the grass (which nonetheless looks like it was visited by a hippo in rut).

BTW, I'd like to thank Tenacious D for his trust, courage and passion - and Phillip for his comment, which I couldn't have said better. I guess I'm a stereotypical Euro in that I don't believe in this war - but I'm also a stereotypical American in that I do believe in the men and woman, like T.D. and so many other CFers, who have put there lives on the line to fight it.

5 min rope skipping en CFWU 2x

135 pnd C&J

time: 10.41

probably could do it faster but needed to do the form as good as possible..

3rd Crossfit Workout
25 yom 5'11" 200#
10:39

25, M, 72.1Kg

7 minutes flat at 50Kg

(previous 7:44 at 45Kg)

Tenacious D,
Thank you for your service, both at home and abroad.

29 yo male 6'4, 216#
As rx'ed
5:40

^^Nice job Richard

22 yo male, 5'8", 155#

95# Grace: 7:15

CFWU X 3
21:28

Grace (clean & Jerk)

5-30#, 5-35#, 5-40#, 5-45#, 5-50#, 5-60#
16:12
Total time: 37:40

Tenacious D-

I'm moving to DC in November, and want to stand next to you, wearing my "CrossFit Infidel" shirt, the next time any tie-dye wearing, bozo wig sporting, Obama/Clinton-voting, moron talks smack about the American troops he doesn't even know, and turns our Flag upside down. NOT IN MY NAME!

The protesters are either the most irrational beings on the continent, or they have no idea what they're doing.

Thank you for your service, clarity and courage.

-Karen

33, M, 202lb

no equipment so I used a rock.

3:50

guess the rock was too small.

As Rx'd:

7:34

48/M/170

Had two new crossfitter, Yeah!
@95# 20 min. round robin style.

@ #12
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/grace_girls.rmvb

done this one in 4.55 with 45 kg,1st time doin this one,this is my second week on crossfit and loving it after years of repetitive boring bodybuilding workouts. love wakin up in the morning and not knowing what my workouts gonna be till i check the crossfit website but hear can anyone tell me what (as rxd) means?

TenaciousD

If you want something to fight for, join Blood Rose.

We are a team of ex-military operators that employ violence to extract women and girls (some as young as 8 years old) from brothels and other dens of sexual slavery in the middle east and asia.

We are always looking for members. There is no glory and our exploits are never publicized, but at the end of the day I don't have to wonder if I am employed by The Light in the Darkness or The Great Satan.

10 minute snatch set: 90L/90R. 18 rpm. Hands in good condition.

3 minute rest.

I'll be doing kb jerks later. My "hand friendly" WOD:

30 barefoot butt to ankles squat cleans using snatch grip/zercher catch with 70# Ironwoody bag. Full hip extension every rep before dropping bag to ground. 3:27. Easy on the hands, can feel it in traps and core.

M/36/213 lbs

31:15 - trying for good form / the clips of the woman with the pony tail on top doing C&J are inspiring

#95 - 1+1+1+5+7
#105 - 4
#115 - 4
#135 - 1+1+1+2+2

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I think TenD sums it up nicely -- Western values of Democracy and Freedom are essential, but then there is the corporate side of the West, which, more often than not, is the perfect apparatus of human greed and selfishness.

Would Western prosperity even exist without the resources we extract from other people and the pollution we leave behind? Our all our freedoms, happiness, prosperity and magnificant accomplishments worth it? Can the West even exist without shifting the cost onto others, wether onto some other people or increasingly, our own future generations?

Thanks TenD, you've given this soldier lots of food for thought.

A question to the mods, could you please erase all the messages with political overtones (both pro- and anti-Iraq war) so that this site would stay free of this bickering. There are other sites for that. Right?

ksakke,

As you could have infered from the picture posted today and by the articles posted on rest days, it is in fact the aim of the owners of this site that politics be discussed here, on the front page (and not in the forums, for example).

Feel free to ignore the posts that deal with things other than fitness if you find them distracting.

#25 Reno,
Are you really dissapointed in the direction they are taking? What are you disssapointed with? What tactical and strategic decisions are you privy to that make you dissapointed? Have you talked to Iraqis and asked them how their lives have changed since the US invaded? Have you read about the successful disarmament and normalization of Libya? The disbanding of the A.Q. Kahn private nuclear proliferation organization that was selling technology and equipment to North Korea, Iran and Libya. The Kurds who no longer lose sons and daughters in Kirkuk and Mosul to Saddam's terror squads for paranoia-driven reasons? How about those girls in Afghanistan are now able to be educated and less likely to be subjected to honor killings and oppression?
We have made some mistakes recently. General Petraeus was selected for his position in order to fix those. Read his bio and see how amazing it is that a man with his credentials still resolves to serve where he does and not make millions in the private sector. Those mistakes are fixable. Those successes which we have already gained in the GWOT are indisputable, and the world is and will continue to be a better place for them.

"Tenacious" D...Great comment, brother.

As Rx'd
135#
8:28

I'm behind you tenacious D and Phillip. 10 years for me until God called me to something different. I miss my boys and my muddy boots because of guys like you.

23/m/206/6'4"
New PR!
8:55 as Rx'd

BW=185
Age=27

As Rx'd
135#
8:44m

Tenacious D-
I'm glad to see you are a part of a Gathering of Eagles. Thanks for standing up for us when some of us couldn't be there except in spirit.

Yesterday I worked out instead of taking a rest day, because I my schedule is such that today I will be taking a rest day. Funny thing is though, I almost did Grace and at the last minute decided to go with Isabel since I needed to do that one more.
I had a different workout "partner". I am used to my kids, my husband, my dogs, a toad has joined once, a little green lizard has joined me a couple of times, but yesterday I had an opossum in my garage! When first saw it, I yelled and ran and then I just let it be and did my workout.

WU-
CFWU x 1 (back was pretty sore)
walk 1 mile for speed- 14:30
WOD-
Isabel- 30 reps snatches
subbed 45 lbs
Time- 5:11
First time doing Isabel with more than a broomstick. About half were power snatches.

Post- OHS 45lb, 30 reps (broken at 12, 8, 5, 5)
Time- 6:00

Definitley going to start doing these more and increasing weight.

Kate

Fran for time (first time) -- 105 Thrusters versus 95. 7:52

Tenacious "D",

See the story: Pentagon investigating $6B in contracts for Iraq and Afghanistan
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/21/iraq.investigations.ap/index.html , especially the last paragraph "Although the subjects are serious ones, only about a dozen of the committee's 61 members attended the hearing. By the time it ended, the witnesses outnumbered the lawmakers. Just the committee chairman, Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., and Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H., remained."
There is something REAL wrong with this country, and that is from top to bottom.

Ewen,

well my take in discussing politics is that both sides are given equal opportunities to voice their opinions. Maybe that's not the case here? Several anti-Iraq war posts have been erased that were here earlier. They had some valid arguments as have some pro-Iraq war ones also. I find it a bit disturbing that only one side is given this opportunity.

Maybe I should stop visiting the site altogether :)

5:41 with 39kg (~85lb) power cleans

Then, did the row/wall ball wod from the other day.
33:05 with 35lb sumo deadlift high pulls (200-100-50 reps) for rowing and 20# wall balls.

M/39/185

As rx'd:

10:16

More better faster

Once reading the WOD I developed a huge smile on my face. Could be the first time I do this with the prescribed weight.

Got some interesting looks on faces at the gym while doing the deadlifts HSPU combo the other day. Could be more of the same tomorrow.

Strange how the harder a worker is the more I love it.

sub for 45kgs
7:32
max/ave HR 182/169
113 cals

26 m 175

42yom 182lbs

Will be doing this WOD later today. Since I don't do a lot of the clean and jerk exercise, I decided to say F@*^ time, and go strickly for form. I will still post a time but it will be nowhere near what the majority here post up. I will not sacrifice intensity though, so I figure about 15-18 min should be it for me. We'll see...

#14 Raze,

This WOD is done with full squat cleans not power cleans. Full squat cleans = harder work = more fun.

4 mins 15 seconds done with 100lbs.
Finished off with 25 mins LI cardio. Love this WOD!!

First time with Grace-ful (ie squat cleans and push-jerk)

6:44 as Rx-ed

Will go the power-clean and push-press route tonight.

Cheers, kempie

Question:

I have short achilles tendums. Which means I can't do squats, or pretty much any of the olympic lifts. Deadlifts work so-so, but I don't use high weight as I feel I can't do it right.

When I see WoD's that include squats I can usually do some them on a squat sled at the gym, but like today. Clean & Jerks, there's no way I can do them. And I really want to do something, so the question is:

What can I do instead, that are similair to clean & jerks?

Alright, time to redeam myself from August 12th!

whats the rx'd weight for women for grace and isabel? at CF boston we've assumed 95#, but wanted the "official" number.

33/M/175

As Rx'd;

11:38

scaled to 105#

4 min flat

8.09
scaled to 95#, full squat cleans

Here's my theory on protests/protestors: If you feel strongly enough to go to a protest, your opinion is not going to be swayed by a counter-protestor.
I did 15 months in Iraq, and there were tons of protests going on while I was there. I didn't feel betrayed by anyone, or that they were being treasonous by protesting. It's a bunch of words and signs that never actually accomplish anything.
I have no scientific proof, but I'm pretty sure that all the protesting has given momentum to NEITHER side.
Protestors mostly protest to fell better about having protested.
God bless all of you fighting for each other. I hope you all come home and live long, full lives.

bw 170, used 135

6:06 as rx'd

8:30

31/m/225#

As RX'd 11:55

Political Commentary:

I have been in the Army for 10 years (I entered before 9/11, but have made the decision to stay twice since.) I have deployed all over the Middle East, and I think the military has been successful in most of its ventures. However, I still feel that the administration made a mistake in its dealings with Iraq. I agree with some posters that the military has helped to a great extent extend personal freedoms in Iraq, but I don't agree that we, as the United States, had the right to invade the country to achieve those ends. The ends don't justify the means. Every time any country ignores the stipulations of the United Nations, especially if the country is powerful, the world takes a step back from any chance of global peace. I have made the sacrifice to support the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution; I don't want my children to need to support democracy abroad.

BW 169

as rx'd

7:14

m/6'/185

specific wu

Grace:

30x squat clean & push jerk @ 135lbs

as rx'd, time:7:59

Our country took a gamble in overthrowing Saddam. Successful, we establish a democracy that is pro US, the barbarity of Saddam ends, and we have an outpost smack dab in the middle of the opponents of civilization – opponents wholly committed to exportation of their cultural, religious, and political pathology. Failure might include a score of unforeseeable nightmares.

When the going looked good, support was near unanimous. When the difficulty of bringing the 3rd century into the 21st became apparent, many American’s reversed their support and found relief from their, disappointment, embarrassment, cowardice, and shame by concocting a lie – that they’d been lied to. Ironic.

There’s a lot at stake – even politically. Should we, America, civilization, prove victorious, many American’s are going to be widely seen as having been historically, morally, politically, and tactically wrong. These people now need, for their self-image, American defeat complete with the realization of any of the unforeseeable nightmares incumbent in defeat. For this they hope above all else.

For those of us who saw the risk as worth the taking, defeat, while tragic, won’t repudiate the effort. That’s the nature of noble effort, risk, and sacrifice. That’s the value and cost of freedom and liberty. That’s our faith that every man, everywhere, is deserving of freedom.

WMD’s are but one piece in the puzzle.

#59 - Tony B. from Crossfit.com refutes you as saying:

"Grace is traditionally performed as a ground to overhead "anyhow." If you have the strength, you'll probably find that power cleans and push jerks afford you the most efficiency."

So I believe this means if you want to make it harder and do full, go for it. But there is nothing wrong with going the efficient route for time. Depends on what the individual needs most.

http://www.logsitall.com - I hope to see a lot of Grace times in there today!

Spiderchick--

I always enjoy your posts, although I don't always agree. They are invariably clever, but over the years I have come to believe that ad-hominem attacks are generally unhelpful and often reveal nothing about the subject. I'm old enough to know guys who were clubbed in Chicago in '68, so my views about protesters are more nuanced than yours. I certainly could never begin to slot them into a box labeled "bozo" or "moron."

So much for politics being relegated to Rest Days. CrossFit is such a stellar protocol/philosophy/lifestyle that it's a shame to see politics driving the proverbial wedge between those who agree with the war and those who don't. For the record, I'm a career firefighter, don't agree with the war, don't support the President, and can only feel for the troops, their families and loved ones who have been pawns in this whole process.

I'd like to see the politics left to Rest Days where at least I can choose to skip the right-wing propaganda.

Wow...hope I never meet louc4r in a dark alley! Subbed 95 lbs, performed full squat cleans and push jerks, time 9:54...thanks Coach.

BTW, here's another reference for those interested in C & J technique: http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/OlympicLifts/CleanAndJerk.html

Exrx.net is a wealth of information regarding lift instruction.

#57 ksakke: Your threat to leave the posting board, and Crossfit site, is one that people (me) have seen many, many times over the years and does not influence the manner in which the site is run.

As for our beautiful flag, not-so-little Alex D., jumped the crap of another student for mocking the Pledge of Allegiance and adding inappropriate words. I was so proud of him.

And I am proud of and grateful to all our service personnel, and proud of all Americans who regardless of political affliation, stand up and defends our flag and all that she represents.

19:06. Took me 4 minutes longer than last time as i was trying to work toward doing this with squat cleans. I think i only managed 5 or 6 that would truly have qualified as a squat clean, but i tried every time - i just kept stopping shy of parallel despite my best efforts otherwise. I'm satisfied with the effort at least. it still left me collapsed in in a puddle of sweat at the end of the day.

To those of you that serve or have served. Thank you. You carry the flag and the burden that I cannot.

Tenacious D,

Keep in mind that there is an analog over here for the war over there, and that you are not alone. You have allies.

We are at war here, not over political principle, but between those of us who believe in Reason and principle--who believe in the sanctity of our heritage, and the great good of which the United States has repeatedly shown itself capable--and those who want to abandon both in favor of sanctimonious and self abusive "tolerance".

If you believe nothing, we are told, then peace will inevitably result. Such imbecility is only possible in an environment which has taken the precautionary measure of eliminating all effort at objective standards of truth and morality. This has been done, and the recipients of this download put on clown wigs and march in the streets.

We see on this thread numerous people telling us how our war is wrong, how it was a bad idea. Yet, these same people, in Rest Day after Rest Day, are unable to defend those positions. The UN did not need to be consulted. Saddam was capable of developing WMD's. He was an SOB without which the world is better off. We are fighting a determined enemy who will benefit from our decision to choose failure in Iraq. Ordinary Iraqis will profit for many generations to come from our success, and over time so will the entire Middle East.

I know you know how to put one foot in front of the other. What makes it into a journey is direction, and direction comes from faith.

Keep the faith. It may not always be possible to see light, but you can always imagine it. And what we can imagine can always yet one day be.

6:58 as rxd

#
#46
Hi Kelly

I learned about the Zercher squat last weekend. How do you use a snatch grip and catch it in a zercher squat? My arms hurt even when I got the bar from the rack. Is it something diferent when you're doing cleans? How do you adjust it so fast to catch it?
I'm trying to imagine what it would look like to use a snatch grip for a clean and catch it in your arms...

And what's an ironwoody bag?

Thanks

4:02 - 135# Power clean & Push jerk

As a retired memeber of the Armed Forces I thank all that serve and all support them.

R/Mark

cfwux3

5:50, with power cleans, push presses, not jerks

this felt heavy from the very first rep

Hi everyone. I posted a question yesterday to no answer. Hopefully someone can help me. Can anyone tell me the difference between a level 1 seminar and a certification seminar? And the pros and cons of attending one over the other? Email me if you don't want to clutter up the comments board. Thanks in advance.
John

No one forces anyone to read the comments here. If you don't agree with the politics, skip those posts and stick to the WOD related info. It's really that simple. Kind of like turning off the radio when you hear a song you don't like, or turning off the TV when Britney Spears flashes on the screen.

As for the WOD: 21:02:
15 X 65#
10 X 75#
5 X 85#
10 X 95#

This is my first time doing Clean/Jerks so I was concentrating on form and getting a feel for the movement. Ripped a nice piece of skin off the inside of my thumb from the bar rubbing when reaching the top of the clean. The Olympic moves are definatley tough for beginners. Lots of strange looks at globgym this morning.

Tenacious D-Your service and strength are the true counter protest. Bear in mind that most of these so-called protesters are kids who listen to Jimi hendrix records and look back whistfully at the 60's. I wonder what kind of welcome Jane Fonda would get in the caves of North Whaziristan. Keep on fighting the good fight, brother!

5min rope skipping + CFWUx3

WOD as rx'd: 9:26

Well, one thing about CrossFit: it keeps you honest. I spent about 20 minutes just practicing cleans, and by the time I felt comfortable enough to clean 95 pounds, I was so spent I had to quit early. I just need to start practicing cleans twice a week and work on form, because once I tried going up to 135, my weight started shifting to the balls of my feet in landing position and I had trouble getting my elbows all the way around the bar. It'll take time, but I can do it...eventually.

Tenacious D, you and your brothers and sisters who wear the uniform have my undying respect and gratitude. Fight the good fight and finish the job!

On the subject of Iraq, I feel there's an important lesson from history that we're all forgetting. Revolutions and changes of power have never been pretty, even when the change was to a democratic form of government. Look at our own history. The war for independence lasted eight years, and was followed by several decades of political infighting and at least two armed insurgencies, if memory serves (one of these was sparked over the taxation of whiskey, of all things!). Also, let's not forget that 100 years after the end of the revolution, we found ourselves embroiled in a bloody civil war. France's revolution lasted several decades; power changed hands several times, there were periods of all-out anarchy, and things didn't really calm down until after the Napoleonic Wars, which engulfed most of Europe. The fact of the matter is, nation building is a messy process. Nothing involved with it happens overnight, and we would be foolish to expect such. This is an important issue, because our enemies are very patient. Unfortunately our country, in this age of on-demand everything, is not famous for its patience

1-2: 135
3-14: 95
15-30: 65

7:08

Really felt good on form. Even did splits!

ksakke,

I know politics can be an interesting topic to say the least. I didn't see the anti-war posts that were taken down so I don't know what their points were, but obviously the owners of the site have a political view point which they are entitled to. If they want to censor posts, they have the right to do it. I don't think it is anyone's intention to have people stop coming to the site and/or participating in crossfit because of differing political opinions. If you don't like what direction the political discussions go, just don't respond to them. Do your workouts, post your times, and know you disagree with most people who visit the site. No worries and we all stay in great shape.

#92 Josh at OU

I am a law student at OU, where do you workout at?

Mike

Did this just last week.

2:55 Rx'd and PR

BW 245

M/23/235 & M/22/240
135lbs 6:14 and 5:54 Respectfully

bw: 188

As rx'd: 4:50 (pr)

115lbs 12:36

27/245/78"

used 135 but did power cleans and split jerks. My back gets some pain in it when I do squat cleans. 1st time with Grace and first time really doing split jerks. I like this WOD a lot.

time: 5:39

I am getting ready to workout and I posted a question last night thinking I was going to receive help. Instead all I hear about is Iraq on a workout forum. So I was disappointed after scrolling through the bull crap. There are plenty of other forum regarding politics so please instead of that could someone answer my QUESTION before I go workout in 2 hours.

QUESTION>>> Do I alternate which leg goes forward in the jerk or do I use the same leg foward every rep?

#100 You do not have to alternate. Go with what you prefer. You can push jerk or split jerk.

Just finished 11:55 Rx'd...

A little upset to hit the sight and see my comments removed from last night....not sure why. Did not feel I crossed any lines...nor did I feel those of naruto007 were all that bad.

I do take issue with posted pics that will generate debate and then removing the debate when it generated. Maybe some rules need to be posted on posting.

The comments of those against the war need to be heard...I myself am for all our efforts and believe that it is never to late or wrong to stay in a fight or work towards a solution that is best for all, especially those in Iraq. I'm for the war but by removing dissenting opinion we run into a situtation where we are no better than the evils we wish to remove from this world.

Hopefully this post will stand. I love CrossFit and this community...I enjoy the debate...and I know we are blessed beyond all others in this world for the simple fact that we have the freedom, time, and security to worry about proper clean n jerk form and the ability to speak our opinions freely--Sully

Well said, Mike. I'll do my workouts, post my times, vote my conscience and express my political views in more appropriate forums.

Today's WOD

Warm up:
5 minute treadmill climb
2x squat dumbell presses (20, 25 lbs)
35 dips

30 Clean and Jerks (25 @ 95 lbs, 5 @ 65 lbs) First time doing this exercise, so I was very concerned with form. 20:00 min.

35 box jumps (20 w/ 5kg medicine ball)
50 pushups
30 pullups
25 knees to ankles

Great discourse today, folks. I did not do the ole split jerk today, I went for work output with a straight push jerk.

27 yr old male, 200 pounds
135# CJ, 30 reps, 5:38.

Good day

Badass pic!

Bwt: 133

As Rx'd:

Did power cleans this time and shaved off about 3 min.

5:19

Thanks for posting the article from yesterday. It was very refreshing to read something from a slightly different point of view, regarding Iraq. My wife is a high school economics teacher, and she is going to read that article to her students today. Keep em coming...
Cheers,
Tim

M/35/180

Warmup:
Samson Stretch
8-way cable crossovers 40/50lb
10x dips
10x p/u
10x back extension
10x glute-ham situps

WOD:
1x65lb C&J
9x95lb C&J
10x65lb C&J
10x75lb C&J

I'm feeling better with the motion, should be able to push the weight up some next time.

One of my favorite quotes came to mind reading today's online discussion. Probably been quoted in different posts a number of times, and I bet several know it by heart, but seems appropriate:

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows acheivement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

T. Roosevelt.

32kg KB clean & jerk

30L 30R sets of 5

11:48

27/220/6'1"

Did power cleans/jerk w/ 135 for 4:34. Then I had to go lay down...

newbie
65#
mucked up time
thank you crossfit!

Coach--

You wrote: ". . .many American’s reversed their support and found relief from their, disappointment, embarrassment, cowardice, and shame by concocting a lie – that they’d been lied to. Ironic.
....
"WMD’s are but one piece in the puzzle."

This administration's sale pitch for the war focused primarly on WMD. Not a possibility in the future, but a capabilty in the present.

Georgie, Rummie, Chenie, Condie all threatened Americans with the specter of "mushroom-shaped clouds." They may not have been lying. They may simply have been poorly informed. Their failing is then incompetence instead of deceit.

"They want to kill us" is the rationale for continuing occupation, imperialism, and maintenance of 700 military bases around the world.

Do they want to kill us even more after we invaded a country that was not to threat to us, resulting in displacement of 1 million Iraqi's, and the killing of 600,000 - 1 million depending upon whose estimate you use.

What gives the US the right, or moral authority to go beyond defense of the homeland to invade a country under false pretenses. (Don't tell me we are humanitarians - if we were we'd be in Saudi Arabia and North Korea)

Do they want to kill us even more after we side with Israel to oppose over 50 UN security council resolutions to safeguard human rights?

Do they want to kill us more after we armed Sadam
against Iran in the 80's?

Do they want kill us more ever since we (and Great Britain) overthrew the first democratically elected government in the middle East (Iran, 1953)?

And how much have we endangered ourselves by diverting the hunt for Bin Laden and Al qaeda in Afgganistan to focus on non-existent WMD in Iraq?

Does anyone else get numb thumbs from the hook grip and does it mean I'm doing something wrong?

I don't think that's a clown wig... I think that's that kid's real hair. Either way, thank you Tenacious "D" for your faith and service. I don't see either side as bozos or morons. Wanting US soldiers out of harm's way and peace isn't moronic. Neither is wanting full support for a mission that has already been started and sacrificed for. I just want to know, what happens if we just keep the troop levels the same in Iraq? Will that bring peace or establish that democracy?

6:26
65# power clean/jerk

thanks neal

I don't have any smart words or deep political rhetoric for the war in Iraq. I have been in the military for 10 years and listened to both sides state their opinions; both with limited information. One side may read or research their points to confirm their views and the other side will find an equal confirming view.

A famous general said that “War is hell lest we grow too fond of it.” I love my comrades and gave a sigh of relief when my brother returned safe but broken in spirit in a way. When told he might go back he freely let tears go down his face.

Children are being shot in the cross fire, women killed, and good men and women on both sides are feeling the sorrow of death.

It angers me that folks that spout about patriotism attack those that speak their views even if they are not the popular views. Sometimes that view is pro-war as it was in the beginning and now pro-peace. It is in the beauty of this country that we can passionately proclaim our views.

It sadden me to hear folks in the beginning; that if you don't support this war then you are a traitor and yet by branding them a traitor and closing their right to free speech we become that which we abhor. I believe that members of this administration had their own views in starting the war and I also believe that there were good folks that wanted to bring peace.

The world will move and people will laugh, cry, speak words of anger, and we will persevere. I cannot cite articles and speak on the multitude of beliefs but perhaps we should remember that there are friends, brothers and sisters, parents, and children that are fighting on both sides and some don't really care about world domination as they do about survival.

I wish all the best and Ten D and the protestors show why this country can be great. The beauty of disagreement without death. Have a good day and I look forward to today's WOD.

CFWU 2x15
As Rx'd: 15:04

#102

I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush there. Can you verify your claim that most people who visit this site support the war, the President and the rest of the corrupt sitting administration? Perhaps the vocal minority simply gives the impression that a majority of the people who visit this site back their positions. I'd be willing to bet the the numbers aren't "most".

#129 - Miller

"the corrupt sitting administration"?

What's your basis for such a statement? Back it up with facts. You may not like the President, the war, or the administration, but to call the corrupt is out of line.

46 / 174

I hate to keep the power-clean vs squat-clean debate going but what about Elizabeth, Isabel, and Linda? If we can do power cleans on Grace, can we do power cleans and power snatches for these named workouts? In the video section on the web, there's a video of Sage (I hope I get her name right) doing a clean and jeck. It's a full squat clean and a split jerk. More evidence that squat cleans are in order. Also, a couple of weeks ago, watching Greg A do the 'power Elizabeth' and not just 'Elizabeth'. Finally, we have Tony B in comment 16 (he's a trainer Santa Cruz, right?) saying this an 'anyhow' workout, therefore power cleans are okay.

If we all add our data to logsitall, and they are all 'as rx'd', did that mean squat cleans or power cleans?

Coach, can you add your views here please?

21:13
45x5
95x5
115x5
135x10
115x5

4:00 as rx'd

as rx'd 12:06

Second crossfit workout. Grrrr.

22/m/165

as rx'd 12:06

Second crossfit workout. Grrrr.

22/m/165

4:54

http://www.logsitall.com

Still recuping my back. Modified to 75# clean and push press. Turning my ego off and not doing the workouts rx'd is killing me. Reset my grip on every lift and really concentrated on form. Slowed me down but all my reps were really good. 9:30

We now have a camcorder on a tripod at One World. If you aren't filming yourself during some of these workouts, you really should try it. It has opened eyes with everyone here regarding their technique. Really keeps you honest and humble.

I have so far to go and so much more to learn.

as rx'd 12:06

Second crossfit workout. Grrrr.

22/m/165

oops. sorry guys.

#102

I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush there. Can you verify your claim that most people who visit this site support the war, the President and the rest of the corrupt sitting administration? Perhaps it's only the vocal minority.

Zach:
You are new so multiple identical posts are ok this time but if it happens again we will sick louc4r on you and he will hunt you down :)

Welcome aboard and enjoy the ride..

M/61/181/6'

CFWU x 3

"Grace" 95# 9:52

Beat 081207 by 2 min. and 30#!

M/20/205/6'4"

6:35 as rx'd
new PR :) by 1:20

43m/153#
4:56 using 115#

Folks,
IT'S NOT REST DAY!!!!!
That being said, Tenacious D- Hoo yah. (Hooah for you Army folks.)
Coach Thank you for the clear articulation of the situation in Iraq.
W. Geoffrey Miller, I am not a pawn. My wife is not a pawn, my family is not a pawn. Please do not characterize my 19 years of service with your negative brush. I have reenlisted 6 times because I believe in my role in this Republic and I believe in the role the US has taken in the world.

#83 Allison,

Here is a link to the Woody Bag: http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/woody-bags.php.

I use the handles on the outsides of the bag to pull from the floor (the handle's distance apart makes it close to my BB snatch grip) and pull it high enough to release and catch it in the crooks of both arms in the bottom position. It's not heavy at 70#, but I do have to move fast to be able to release and catch it. You can feel in in your core due to the weight being so far out in front.

My thanks again to Lynne for this wonderful Christmas present!

58yo/m/175lbs

30 with 45lb bar. Depth slowly getting better. Additional weight causes pain in back of r hand near wrist. Also difficulty in transferring bar from shoulder to do jerk portion. Any suggetsions/tips? Stretching this area? Or just keep working?

Also, great picture. Missed this event. but made the one last May in DC, with "Gathering of Eagles." Unklike 35-40 yrs ago, these marches will not go unanswered.

I haven't done CF for a week. I never thought I'd be excited to wake up, look at the WOD, see Grace, and smile. After doing Crossfit for this long, I get bored with regular lifting. This is gonna be sick.

7:00

Power Cleans/Push Jerks with quite a few presses at the top to finish them.

as rx'd: 9:59 min. Better next time.
Have fun, Johan

btw,
Dennis nicely said.
I enjoy the debate, isn't it beautifull there can be a debate ?

keep it nice, speak from your hear and try to see their point of vieuw. Have fun, Johan

#118 John T.

I've seen that quote used by various people on here at different times in response to various things. It's a great quote.

Unfortunately it has been forever ruined for me. It was spoken by Timothy McVeigh before he was executed. After hearing him usurp and bastardize it, I can't hear it without cringing now.

8 minutes
135 pounds in sets of 10/5/5/5/5

M/20/185/6'4"

5:28 as rx'd
This is my 3rd week doing the wod. I'm starting to get the hang of the workouts. They are definitely harder than my old football workouts

Hey my bad, I got confused John, sorry that was a different quote. I was havin flashbacks or somethin haha
Great quote mate.
Cheers

As Rxd

Full squat cleans - 16:30

#21 Phillip
love your comments, it's exactly how I feel about the situation. The most interesting thing I find about that pic is the sign which says "support the troops". These people are not protesting against the troops like in Vietnam, but protesting a war which is wildly un-popular. Why can't we seem to see the difference between the two?? I support the troops 100%. I have no support for this war or this administration. Am I unpatriotic? Are the people at this protest unpatriotic? They are holding "support the troops" signs for christ sakes. In my opinion it seems more of an agenda against dirty hippies.

Love the Roosevelt quote,

Josh

"Grace"
used just the 45# bar so i could use correct form.
45# X 30 reps
time: 8:59

The last three paragraph: sorry, forgot I cut and pasted the stuff from the regurgibot.

forgot to add how much I LOVE CF! the fact that i can go in the gym, do my warmup, workout and be drenched in sweat and done, way before the guy on the cybex chest press does one set makes me smile!

yes, this happened to me today.

4:45 as rx'd. That is full squat cleans not the candy a$$ power clean ladies.

Could somebody at CrossFit Santa Cruz, like the Glassmans, please clarify about how Grace should be done as prescribed? I'll continue to do it with both power cleans and squat cleans (a Power Grace and a Squat Grace), but I want a simpler basis for comparison. Much appreciated,

Andrew H. Meador

Just my 2c, but unless I specifically see "power cleans" I always do full cleans

1st time as rx'd with 135#
17:05

I did something a little different today. I did as many reps in 15 minutes. The total using 95lb was 66. I followed this with 45minutes of cardio. 1 hour total workout.

115#
9:05

pre-cfwux2, increasing weight cleans & push jerks
wod as rx'd-5:33 power cleans, push jerk to 15 reps then split jerk, 1.5 min.s faster than last time
post-500m row sprint 1:32

scaled to 121#

Full squat cleans, split jerks.

15:28

115# 14:30

lack of technique and short achilles tendums
load: 35kg

20 squats(machine) (would have been better with 10 deadlift and 10 squats)
10 presses
10 lunge
10 shrugs

x 3
26.30min

"Grace"
135 pound Clean and Jerk(Sub 115lbs), 30 reps

6:54

46 / 173

as rx'd Grace-ful (full squat cleans)

11:10 PR by 5:44.

first clean/jerk, worked on form:
5 rep/9# bar, 5/45#,5/55#,5/60#,5/65#,5/70#
23 min. slow and light but form was good and i can't believe I C&J'd:)

5:25 ax rx'ed, (FULL SQUAT CLEANS) far better than 6:31 back in August (with the new baby exhaustion) and a little better than 5:52 from June of 2006.

Really wanted sub-5 but I guess I waited too long between sets. I did 12 straight out of the gate and then did sets of 3's with minimal rest between then I did sets of 2's once I hit 24 so I thought that was a good strategy but this shows that there's no time to waste on Grace.

WOD as rx´d.

Full squat cleans + push jerk.
Divided reps into 10 sets of 3.

Time 19:41.

- OlliS

Perhaps the only thing tempering my enthusiasm for CrossFit.com is the occasional posted vitriole, which can be a bit of a bummer when I am checking out how folks' workouts are going. I enjoy political discussion, especially exploration of viewpoints and their underlying assumptions. On the other hand, bullying, name-calling, and pundit-style crosstalk doesn't just "distract," it detracts.

As strongly I believe in the assumptions that underly the CrossFit system, I hesitate to recommend or promote the site based on my interest in total health. Some of the rhetoric I read here may speed the aging process. Some forms of stress produce mental, physical, and emotional adaptation and growth. Other kinds tend to promote illness.

As for the Squat Clean vs. Power Clean debate, there seems to be room for both approaches. Of course there is a big difference between the two, and we should note what we are doing in order to be able to make appropriate comparisons with others or our own performance over time. I'm interested in mastering both lifts, so I plan to do both Power and Squat Graces in the future (recording them as such).

Nicole: 7:37 Full squat cleans with 75lb

25/M/180#

As RX'd: 9:39

33/m/189

bike ride for warm-up

as rx'd x 30 w/ 105#s

1.5 mile run to wrap it up

I'm pretty sure all cross fitters are like this but I just feel like pushing it farther and farther each workout, to include adding additional cardio and ab workouts. I'm so freakin siked about this approach to fitness. I can't wait until I can complete all the different lifts to the "T" and the firt time I complete my first unassisted HSPU. I've been CFing now for 3 months and the results are well beyond just looking a feeling good. The addiction I feel is incredible. The anticipation for tomorrow's workout already puts a smile on my face. I can't wait to get back stateside and get more involved. YEAH CF!

32/M/200lbs

CFWU X 2
as rx'd
8:28

M/36/215

CFWU X2
135# x 7reps then figured out it wasn't happening. Switched to 95#,and completed the WOD in 5:08. Try harder next time...

Today's WOD comes after a full week of resting. I don't think the rest helped -- LOL.

Scaled down to 95lbs.

:08::41::20

m/29/171#/6'

(Power) Grace as Rx'd/135#

7:55

33 YOM, 200#

3 rounds of CFWU

Grace as Rx'ed 8:22.

10:29
Used 2 35# DBs.

Tim: as rx'ed, two hands anyhow

pre: Burgie, fingertip L-pullups, M/U, L-dips, etc.

wod: 3:30 as rx'ed, 29 anyhows and 1 power snatch

post: breathe heavily for several minutes

34/M/165lbs

As Rx:

12 minutes flat.

d - 29m/175

4:47 as rx'd (6,6,3,3,3,3,3,3)...back still won't let me really push the tempo as i can't push through any breakdown in technique...looking forward to being 100% again

j - 33f/125

4:27 - 75#

CFWUx3, BW 127

70# squat clean, split jerk

10:22, up from 9:10 with 65# cleans. I wanted to up the weight to 75, but remembered my hideous Diane when I upped it too much, and held back. Probably a good choice. This is a good workout for me, as power is definitely my weakness. Next time, I'll try the 75#.

M 48 70" 176

"Grace"

135 pound Clean and Jerk, 30 reps

24:15
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Compare to 070812

32:55

45/f/130
loved this one! First time
95# 26min

37/m/175

still learning so went light and concentrated on form
95#
22 power cleans
8 full cleans
all with split jerk

fun stuff

Second WOD.

9:00 mins

Im waiting to see if anyone picked Turkish Get-ups as their "anyhow"

I thought about it, but maybe next time...

22yo 140lbs 5'7"

did 65lbs in 2:44

i'm very new to the whole crossfit methodology, what is the goal here...it feels in my lungs and heart that i got one hell of a metcon burst by doing that weight that quickly, is that what i should be going for, or should have sacrificed time for high weight, or is it really preference and finding a happy middle?

28/M/160#

~29 minutes

1-10: 135lb
11-20: 125lb
21-30: 115lb

Wasn't too concerned today with my time. Focused on form and completion.

36 yo male
As rxd from the floor with split jerk which looked crappy but you gotta start somewhere.

135# C&J 4:12:78

49 yrs
6'3" 190 lbs.

135 is heavy for me, but used this weight anyway. Rested some after each rep. 27 minutes.

All I've got to say is Coach is the man. I aggree wholeheartedly in Crossfit and his view of our world situation,

Grace as RX'ed
3:21

Did this one w/ 40 kgs & 45# bar (133# total), 30 sec/rep, (15 min) Could have done more weight, or faster pace.

Warm-up: Jump rope, Burgener warm-up, air-squating

First "Grace":
95#, power cleans and split jerks

clock stopped at 8:55 around rep 26, finished in around 10:30ish, or so, i think

Warm-down: jump rope and foam roll

27/m/187

6:50

power cleans & jerk at 135#. this is off my PR by 35 sec, but the inside of my elbow has been in extraordinary pain for the past several weeks. thus, i really had to focus on not using my arms during the clean pulls, which i obviously shouldn't be doing anyway. some good may come of not being able to do pull-ups after all.

does anyone else have experience with the so-called "golfer's elbow?" if so, i am curious to know how much strength you lost in your pull-ups and how much time you took off. thanks in advance.

Andrew - #186,

If you're doing Grace in under 5 minutes, it's a good bet that it's time to increase the weight. Go for 95# next time out. If you're worried about form, practice the C&J at lower intensity/heavier weights b/w now and the next Grace.

40yom/160#
I think that 135 may have been a little on the heavier side since my form is not the greatest. Being stubborn, I gutted it out in 19 min.

I always worry about people who aren't able to consider the alternative if they're wrong.

WoD 5 minutes.

full power clean (with jerk)

TIME - 9:40

first 6 @ 135#, all broken
next 14 @95#, 2 at a time
last 10 @ 65#, straight through

65 is too light but 95 is a bit too much to do rapidly. need to get better form

12:18 with 120#, much slower than last time, so I'll stick with this weight until I get below 10 minutes or so.
34/m/183

The pic:

Notice the protesters are waiving American flags and holding up "SUPPORT THE TROOPS END THE WAR" signs. Not one of them appears to be threatening violence towards their opposition.

Think about that when you call them "disgusting."

They don't hate the troops, the country, or freedom. They think the war is wrong for the troops and the country and that it doesn't spread freedom. They are making their voice heard.

That's not "disgusting." It's what makes our country great.

"There’s a lot at stake – even politically. Should we, America, civilization, prove victorious, many American’s are going to be widely seen as having been historically, morally, politically, and tactically wrong. These people now need, for their self-image, American defeat complete with the realization of any of the unforeseeable nightmares incumbent in defeat. For this they hope above all else."

I'm not sure who you know or talk to on the left, but this statement strikes me as almost entirely wrong. I don't know what the "bring home the troops" crowd is thinking, their logic escapes me. But to assert that they want more failure and death so that they can feel better about themselves is preposterous.

M 23 180

6:44 as Rx'ed
full squat clean to overhead lockout

Angry G -
I'm gonna start logging my times on your site. Do you care if everything is as Rx'd, or are people posting scaled workouts there also? I'm assuming you'd like to keep it as uniform as possible for the purpose of keeping stats.
This is my "off" week, so I did Grace today with only 105#, I'm sure it would have taken me about 3 x that long if I'd used 135#
Let me know...
Tim

51 yom/209
Did squat cleans with split jerks. 95x3, 115x3, 125x3, 135x3, 135x3, 125x3, 125x3, 115x3, 105x3, 105x3. May have actually done 33 reps - I thought I lost count so I did 3 more reps at 105. Form was good at lower weight but bad at higher weights so I pyramided back down to where my form was good.

50/195

15:32 as Rx'd. Power cleans and push jerk.

M/22/149 cfwux1

oof! Squat cleans and push/power jerks: 18:50

All

I think the rest day discussions are fantastic. In fact, the many well-reasoned posts from the myriad Rightists have certainly caused me to think about things in a different way. Not saying I have changed my core beliefs, just that the discussions have been excellent mental exercises. And I am a person willing to listen to others, and try to understand where they are coming from, try to view the evidence in the way they view it. And I thank everyone for that, it is refreshing and stimulating to see other intelligent people with opposite viewpoints [Appollo, Hari, Cooper, jknl, etc, no disrespect to the Rightists I've left out].

But is this really going to spill onto WOD days, too? My two cents is that I hope not...

15:34 135lbs

Please, please tell me that posts were not taken down because someone did not agree with their point of view. I know that they have every right to do so but talk about cowardice, if that was the case.

On an unrelated note, the red-headed fellow in the photo is such a hilarious stereotype of a protester that I figure he's UC/infiltrate police.

36/m/165 - on vacation limited equipment

Grace - 40# dumbell power cleans
5:12

Annie -
13:49

42yom / 146

7:36(PR) - 13 seconds off previous attempt.

Should be able to do much better on this. The weight is not the issue. My alergies are making it very difficult to breathe during these MetCon WO's. Hopefully we will have a strength day tomorrow.

Post - Lunging waiter walks with 1 pood overhead, 1 pood swings alternating arm with a release and grab at the top of the swing, L-Hang flutter kicks

Did Grace-ful earlier (squat cleans and push jerks) in 6:44. Second half of the experiment was two hands anyhow (has anyone ever needed the reminder to use 2 hands?) in 2:40 for a new pb by 16 secs.

Grace for me will continue to be a double day. They are two individual beasts that I woudln't want to miss out on.

Cheers, kempie

subbed 90 lbs- 4.07

used 65 lbs last time- 1:52

post:
AMRAP pull-ups -10
50 box jumps- 53 sec

used 115 pounds as my shoulders are still sore and probably couldn't handle 135#
6:16

36/M/64kg

8:36 95lbs

Full squat cleans and push press. Right shoulder not liking Jerks.

06:56 135# power clean/ push jerk

46 y/o male 152#
6:18 - as rx'd??? I was watch the coach's Q&A video last night and remember his comment about Grace being a get the weight from the floor to above the head 30 times. Therefore I performed it with that intent and did power cleans and a mixture of push presses, push jerks and split jerks to keep the intensity high. Last time focus on form and full cleans and split jerks - 17:53 with plenty of rest.
Post: 50 ghd back ext/50 anchored sit ups straight through followed by a 100m sprint up the driveway at OPT.
Then 1 muscle up (haven't gotten one in awhile and stopped at 1 to finish on a high note)

1:57
No weights available.
Used 60lb bucket.(All I could find to clean)
Better than nothing.

115 lbs in 8:24

Age 35
BW 145#

As rx'd:

6:24

111 lbs. 9:31 (cleans powered)

added additional 10 at 121 lbs. - not timed.

49 y/o male my favorite w/o as rx'd 12:12..........god bless our soldiers..thanks for nothing GWBush

31/m/155
as rx'd 26:01
did failed at 8 attempts. great workout like always.

Thanks for the dialog.Thats whats great about this site. I've been out of the Marine Corps for 8yrs now, was the first to always GET SOME. A practicing muslim now, and husband and father of 4, I love the crossfit community for its honesty and well thought out posts. What we have here is a real blessing! Crossfit brings the best to the table, fitness, political dialog, community, all out intensity...ect. Keep the respect, agree to disagree. Keep pushing and God bless.

29/M/172lbs

16:42 135lbs

m/18/bwt:155

as rx'd: 7:47

this is really heavy...

46 196

as rxed 4:19 pr

----"Many of those killed were combatants, and the fact is a country under the sole authority of a man who wants revenge on the West, and which possesses nukes is a threat. He showed every sign of hiding things, and there is every reason to believe that left in power he would have eventually developed those weapons. I see no counter-argument to this that is not also counter-factual."

Well there's at least 70-80,000 civilian deaths in Iraq (iraqbodycount.org). Apparently there were big discrepencies between the IAEA reports on Iraq and the Congressional interpretations of those reports. Just saying. I think yes, the administration got it wrong big time. This doesn't change the currently grim situation in Iraq, however.

----"That guy was almost certainly a Communist. Following WW2, you will recall, the Cold War began, and Russia had long wanted access to a warm water port. The way it works with autocrats you elect, is there are no more elections. And if elections are going to be cancelled anyway, your run of the mill strong man is historically much more likely to respect human rights and eventually bring about liberalization. If you want to talk about the Shah, let's go on to talk about the Islamic Republic, shall we?"

Mossadegh was a nationalist. How does strong man leadership under the Shah better promote human rights and liberalization? Especially without the check of elections? Maybe I'm not reading this correctly.

46/195
power clean and jerk, sometimes press...it's all good when your tired.....3:40.

29/M/180

115#: 7:32

what does rx'd mean???????????

#129

Sorry for the misunderstanding. What I meant was that most people who post on this site seem to have these beliefs. I personally think all politicians are corrupt to some extent. So, for you to say that this administration is corrupt is probably accurate to some extent (although not necessarily more so than past and future administrations). Unfortunately, the way our system works, I don't think you can get elected as president (or to any other powerful office) without being corrupt in a sense and selling out to the right people. Of course, I don't know President Bush personally and I think very few people can actually say that they know for a fact his true motivations for doing what he is doing (maybe no one else but him does). Without this intimate knowledge I don't think anyone should accuse someone of something on a personal level. I don't really know how a President could perform his job acceptably without keeping some things from the general populace. There is a reason an absolute democracy is not really the best system of government. The herd mentality is not a good thing and inevitably leads to problems when using it to run a government. To conclude, I think politicians by the nature of their jobs have to be somewhat corrupt (or they just wouldn't get elected and probably wouldn't get anything done). I don't have enough information to say President Bush is a morally bad guy (and I don't think you do either). I support the soldiers in Iraq, but the jury is still out for me as to whether the War was justified.

as rx'd = as prescribed

Jeff- w/ 111lbs 9:17
Ben- w/ 90lbs 7:19

27/m/208
strecth and jump rope for warmup

:4::06 as Rx'd

pr for me but if i didnt sleep in till noon and then lay on the couch till 2 then i probably wouldve done better.

m/34/187/6'

first time as rx'ed
8:08
somewhere between power and squat on the clean

Throughout our nation's history we have been called to stand up and SPEAK when we think our country is taking the wrong course. Do not blast those who speak against today's mainstream. Do not blast those who do not support the president or an unjust war. It is our duty as Americans to stand up and speak against our government when we feel it is wrong. We do this because our founders tell us to.

Please! Stop hiding behind patriotism to squash the debate of an opposing view.

Theodore Roosevelt said:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)

George Washington said:
I do not mean to exclude altogether the idea of patriotism. I know it exists, and I know it has done much in the present contest. But I will venture to assert, that a great and lasting war can never be supported on this principle alone.

Tenacious D, thank you for your brave service to this country. I am one American who wants our government to change course in Iraq. I want us to hunt down bin Laden, and I want our country to do every thing it can to protect its borders. However, I do not want to sacrifice any of my liberties (i.e. Patriot Act), because "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." (Ben Franklin)

This is my opinion, if you don't agree that is your right---but do NOT tell me that I don't love my country and do not tell me that I am not supporting our troops just because you disagree.

Anyone know the difference between a certification seminar and a level 1 seminar? Thanks, John

TenaciousD,

You set a thoughtful tone for today's comments. You also set out some stark and significant issues in your seventh paragraph. I wish you luck in resolving them for yourself.

Coach,

Historically, the US has been able (adopting your words) to export its “cultural, religious, and political pathology”, through commerce; through countless acts of voluntary association. The navy was never too far out of sight, but its role was limited to protecting the property of U.S. firms (and the property that US firms sought to acquire). Cultural transference was an afterthought, a by-product. The main thing was cultural activity in the form of commerce. Through cultural activity came cultural transference. Has the US given up commerce for empire? Is the New American Century one in which the dollar can no longer persuade so the M4 must compel?

If you want to kill your enemies abroad, go on military adventures. If you want to make your enemies like you, convince them, show them, make it profitable for them to be like you. It would be a more effective, more moral foreign policy, but it would certainly cost you more to fill your car and buy your clothes.

9:09 as rx'ed.

as RX'd except power cleans

4:04

I was so bent on sub 4, I want to see that video of the 2 min guy again... awesome.

tenacious "D" - well said. While no one wants war, I would not want to see us pull out now and I agree with you in that they want to kill us all. If we pull out I fear the war will end up in our backyards. We don't want any more 9-11's. Thank you to all who are keeping us safe.

Grace, 65#: 4:53 (prior was 7:40). Next time need to up the weight.

Then had some energy so did as many rounds in 20 min of 7 SDLHP, 7 Thrusters (65# each). 13 rounds.

Worked on handstand holds and jumproping after.
Erin

I'm cool with Tenacious D getting after some hippies. I'm also cool with hippies getting after Tenacious D. You all must remember those hippies love America just the same. If they didn't they would be at home text messaging or playing xbox like the other 80% of people who don't even care enought to vote.

42yom 182lbs

I love oly lifting WODs! I am definitely not the best at those, but I like to practice them as much as I can. The snatch is definitely still a big challenge for me. I am getting better at the clean and jerk though. That's because I practiced a lot of it until I got the form down pretty good...

Grace: 11:45

95lbs. I felt good and wanted to throw a little more intensity. Even if I had to sacrifice a little bit of the form, I stayed agressive. The weight caused me to be a little bit less explosive especially in the dip and drive of the jerk; but it was clean!..Keep the oly lifts coming Coach! Go CrossFit!

Tenacious D
Hey man, I know those bad days too, but since I'm not having one today I figured I'd share this with you. At the end of the day, it's the job, doen't matter where, or when, what does is is our brothers. That's who we fight for, we didn't watch much if any news or other crap when we're over there. You know the deal, the guy on your left and right-that's why we do it. Don't let them ever bring you down. You know what sacrifice is, you've seen it, they however cannot comprehend it.
Anyhow, off to do the WOD before I get ready for a funeral tommorrow. A local kid died here and Fred Phelps and his gang of rejects have come to town to insult his family.......Ahhhhh don't think so!

mine were full squat cleans...

31/M/185
Did my own thing on this one.
10 reps 95lbs
10 reps 115lbs
20 reps 135lbs
10 reps 115lbs
10 reps 95lbs
Total time: 12:28
20minute bike and 20 minute run on treadmill

Re: Coach's comment #207
I agree. I thought the photo was staged at first because I can't think of a better hippie protester look than what Mr. Tie-Dye is sporting. My politics tend to be left leaning, but I can't look at people like that without laughing. I like being liberal, but more and more I find myself annoyed/disturbed by talk and actions of those that I thought I agreed with. It is sad when finding solutions becomes second to trying to make the other side look bad.

26y/6'5"/213lbs

As rx'd: 7:59

Work it harder, make it better
Do it faster, makes us stronger.

Coach,

Historically, the US has been able (adopting your words) to export its “cultural, religious, and political pathology”, through commerce; through countless acts of voluntary association. The navy was never too far out of sight, but its role was limited to protecting the property of U.S. firms (and the property that US firms sought to acquire). CULTURAL TRANSFERANCE was an afterthought, a by-product. The main thing was CULTURAL ACTIVITY in the form of COMMERCE. Through the cultural activity of commerce came cultural transference.

Has the US government decided that the US should give up commerce for empire? Is the New American Century one in which the dollar no longer persuades, so the M4 must compel?

If you want to eliminate your enemies abroad then make them like you, convince them, show them, make it profitable for them to be like you.

If you want to turn your enemies abroad into corpses (and the people amongst whom they live) go on military adventures.

Trading fairly with the world would be a more effective and a more moral foreign policy, but it would certainly cost you more to fill your car and buy your clothes.

Spidermonkey,

I think Jesus would have been a cross-fitting hippie.

I have to agree with Kleefus. I love exercising my mind on Rest Days and have gained a tremendous insight to and understanding of others' viewpoints through the discussion which usually stays above the belt on this comments section. But, I'd really like to keep it to rest days.
Maybe a CrossFight Blog site just for this discussion would be useful to separate the confabulation from the fitness.

This is my first time doing the C&J so I went light just 45 lb bar. My time was 7:23. I'll add some weight next time.

10:49 as Rx'd

I'm 6'5". Whenever I work legs, my knees kill me afterward. HELP!

First WOD in about a year and a half. Underestimated and scaled down to 65#, should have done 95# instead. 4:59 with power cleans and push jerks. Did CFWU today as 3 rounds of x10 squats, x10 sit ups, x4 pull ups, x3 ring dips. Eager to get back in shape.

Who are these people who say Iraq wasn't a threat? Do they forget about Operation Northern and Southern watch? When our nation's avaitors were targeted and fired apon many times after the first gulf war. I guess those risks were ok. Just like you never here about those who died at the pentagon on 9/11.

27yo 200lbs

CFWUx3

12:48 as rx'd

Did 115 lbs. in 10:04. Love me some Grace

19 yom 178#

Grace

95# hang power clean
split jerk

6:59

Power Grace:)

10:24, third day in on crossfit.

259 - Jason

So, we declare war on Iraq in the first gulf war, kick A big-time, put Sodom back in his box, and expect him not to shoot at our planes (flying upteen thousand miles from home)as the flirt with Iraqi air space. And this is the justification for operation Enduring Bully? Rediculous. Imagine China's military was vastly superior to ours, and it flew military planes 26 miles off California, would we find that threateneing? would we take a military response? I'd say so.

180/35

10:30 first 15 reps w/ 135# last 15 reps w/ 125#

M/36/198

'Grace', done with very little "grace" - power cleans and push jerks, 135lbs

6:59

m/29/200

8:45

as rx'd

21/m/127

95#, 5:36. Ten seconds faster than last time. And I gave blood three days ago! I took all this week off because of school/coaching/scholarship interviews...what a way to get back into it all!

What is sad is that most of the bozos in the wigs flying the flag upside down don't know that it's people like Tenacious D that have fought, bled, and died for their right to even protest.

I just got even more motivated to do Grace. :)

36M/5'10"/165#

135# x 30 in 7:53

Most cleans looked more like power cleans.

42 seconds faster than last month and weight 10# heavier than last month.

Mark 5:26 95 lbs.

29yo M 165lb 5’10”
CFWU x 3, 10 pull ups, 10 ring dips per round. Deadlift 95lbs x 10.

100lb Clean and Jerk, 30 reps
Time: 14:32
Power cleans

Compared to 070812: 16:37 with 95lbs
Foam roll after

Age:28
Wt: 197
As rx'd 4:22. Thanks you to Tenacious D and thousands more like you who "take care of business". Just for the record, I'd vote for W again.

7:08 Sub 105 lbs

M/44/232/6'4"

As Rx'd 12:53

44/175

4:34 w/135 lbs. Done "Anyway, Anyhow". Compared to last month's Grace done with full squat cleans which took me 9:40.

power grace 3:50 as rxed
push jerk first 17, push press last 13, cleans were easy.
tweaked left wrist on last 2 reps, ice tonight

Tobias Neal - Thank you for your beautiful post. I would never condemn anyone who held a different opinion from me as a traitor. I might question their logic, but never their patriotism. What bothers me about some of the far right posts here is the that they follow the "Take no prisoners!" approach of Fox by labeling people who have different points of view as unpatriotic, blame-america-firsters, or defeatists all in an apparent attempt to stifle debate. This broad brush tactic might be easy on the mind that levels it, but it lowers debate to a schoolyard level.

Personally I lean towards Colin Powel's position of "you broke it you bought it" I think this war was definately sold to the public using scare tactics and cherrypicking the evidence to suit the administration's pre-formed agenda. I think there has been little to no accountability for the incompetence of the people sent to administer the country after the invasion, witness Bremer's staffing of the insurgency by putting 400,000 armed men with a loose military heirarchy and knowledge of where all the ammo was stashed, out on the streets without a job or a paycheck, and the only consequence of his multiple failures is that he receives the Medal of Freedom.

But we are where we are and now we have to find a way forward. I think we have to involve both international and regional powers to stabilize the country, and that means more than cobbling together 200 dudes from Poland, and a public relations officer from Iceland and calling it a Coalition of the Willing. And I think we have to as citizens insist that our Government, the Iraqi Government, and the Contractors working over there are subject to the same degree of accountability and insistence on Integrity that our Military is subject to. Because without Accountability and Integrity no venture be it a military operation, business operation, or selling lemonade on the corner is going to succeed.

"I think Jesus would have been a cross-fitting hippie."

Comment #243 - Prole

Amen to that.

35/m/185

Lower ab pull = no jerk (found that out on first attempt)

Finished with:
115 pound cleans x 30 = 5:55

Felt good at that weight. Next time I will be trying 135 (cleans).

Neil(50) & Ellie(52)

Neil

Power clean Grace

60 kg x 30

5.48 PB ( 7.00 last time)

Followed by

3 Laps

10 SDHP x 50 kg
10 Pull ups
10 DB snatch R/L x 20 kg
20 Sit up to stand up

12.01

Ellie

Power clean Grace

27.5 kg ( 25 kg last time) x 30

5.04 (4.59 last time)

Followed by

3 Laps

10 SDHP x 27.5 kg
10 pull ups
10 DB snatch R/L x 10 kg
20 Sit up to stand up

11.47

Have a good one.

Neilfit

Neil & Ellie

Should have read as Power clean and jerk Grace.

Have a good one.

Neilfit

Thanks #165 Tim T. for the clarification. Any way you get that bar up is valid. Though the logic of that should mean that Grace and Isabel go together as one Grisabel (Grizzly Bear). In other words, if on the first few reps, you can snatch the weight up and thereby make it go faster, then why not? And towards the end when you need to divide it in stages, do the clean & jerk. Just call the whole thing Grace and make it clear that the weight has to touch the ground and go over your head at lockout, and that that's the only thing that counts.

42yo/175#/m

as rx'd (I think)
135# clean and jerk 30 times

Did about half of them as slit jerks other just
plain old jerk.

last time 9.20 (no splits)
8.28

m/22/145
95# clean and jerks
9 minutes

then did some L sits, some rowing and some 95# thrusters

2:45 65#

last time 2:49, 55#

32/5'11"/170
As rx'd 7:50. First time with 135#.

Warmed up w/ 2 mile run on treadmill @ 1% in 16 minutes'ish (1 min @ 6.5mph, 2 min @ 8.5mph cycle)

wod w/ 95#: 8:34 - worked on form. Even with the scaled weight, it was pretty ugly (better get to one of those cert's)

Felt guilty for not doing the official cfwu so followed up w/

3 sets (20, 16, 12) glute-ham sit-ups
3 sets x 12 reps of 60# OHS (trying to work on form & balance for this exercise)
3 sets x 12 reps of back extensions
2 sets x 12 reps of pull-ups

then threw in the towel.

"Grace", 95 #'s, mostly sets of 2, mostly power cleans

13:25 (PR)

FWIW, I think 135 is >my 1RM Clean...

191# M 32
3:45 as rx'd

To Tenacious D and all those in both the US and UK armed forces, thank you for your courage.

Upped the weight to 157.5 and brought it home in under 15min with 100 elevated pushups afterwards for fun.

180lb male 26 yo

Tried 135# for 3 reps then scaled down to 115# for the 30 reps Grace required. Time: 9:31. Did the first 8 in one set then had to throttle back to 3reps at a time to finish. It seemed like my wind was the weakest link for this WOD; maybe i need to work on my breathing.

Finished up with 20 ring pushups and 3sets of 8 ring dips.

6:02 as rx'd

Did power cleans

My boy zach his this in the AM, here's the catch. He's 164lb and I'm 282lb - so I think it's only fair if we're gonna face off at this that i even the weight out a little bit. So i'm going for 230lb x30 I'll make the video and post it with my time. I live for this ish.

Out.

#122, Tom R,

"Georgie, Rummie, Chenie, Condie all threatened Americans with the specter of "mushroom-shaped clouds." They may not have been lying. They may simply have been poorly informed. Their failing is then incompetence instead of deceit."

Let's deconstruct. You concede that "they may not have been lying." So, for the sake of argument, let's assume that they weren't lying--that they genuinely believed (as did Hillary Clinton, Al Gore et al) that Iraq had or was on the brink of developing WMD.

Let's further assume that they were wrong. You suggest that they may have been wrong because they "may have been poorly informed," in which case you conclude that "their failing is incompetence instead of deceit."

I have two problems with your logic: First, it assumes that intelligence information is either right or wrong, and that those providing the information should not be wrong. An organization devoted to never being wrong is likely to avoid making any decision, or assigning any sort of informed probability to any event. If there is nothing worse than being wrong, then I will not be willing to conclude that someone pulling what looks to be a handgun on me represents an actual threat. Maybe it's not really a gun. Maybe it's not really loaded. Under your logic, if I yell "gun," and I'm wrong, I will be poorly informing those around me.

Second, you assume that the president by depending on intelligence agencies to inform him of threats is incompetent if it should turn out that those agencies are wrong.

I submit an alternative possibility: The intelligence did the best they could. The president relied on those agencies. Failure to act on the best information available would have been inexcusable. (Contrast Bush's handling of North Korea with Clinton's decision to look the other way.)

The president provided congress with the best information he had at the time (even if some of that information was subsequently proven incorrect). The congress authorized the president to use military force, and cited as WMD as but one reason on a long list.

11:02 for 115# full squat cleans w/ presses. I did this last month in 7:52, and I'm baffled at how long it took me. I was taking creatine in August and as a result I was heavier by almost 10 lbs. Not happy. After I went for an ocean swim for 20 minutes or so; I get chilled if I swim any longer. Not enough insulation! Prediction for tomorrow: weighted dips. If I'm right, everyone owes me $10, if I'm wrong, well, I'm wrong. That's fair. BW:169 Y/A:58

m 35 bw 158

done at the box
115 lbs
full clean.

10:50.

Last time 10:18.
It's time for a rest week.

135 lb power cleans and push press 4:00

#281 Jesse Ward -

Good luck with that & deffinitely post the vid. That's something I gotta see.

scaled to 75#
6:26

m/23/177
as rx'd:
6:41.

#21 phillip, Thank you for your comments. I'm glad that there are level-headed people in our armed forces that can tell the difference between the Troops and the Administration. It makes me sad that some can't fathom that distinction, and will insult and belittle those who try to point it out.

#282 Hari

Well said. One thing people rarely think about is why the information on Saddam's WMD program proved to be incorrect.

According to a book titled "Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq" by Michael R. Gordon, Saddam deliberately gave the United States the impression that there was a very good possibility that he had WMD's (albeit without actually saying that he did). The reason Saddam did this wasn't to pester the US, but was rather to frighten his most threatening enemy (at the time) which was Iran. Saddam never thought the US would actually invade Iraq so he gave the world the impression that he had WMD's so that Iran would keep their distance.

Everyone villifies Dubya for lying to the country about Iraq's WMD's. Well, he most certainly did not lie as he was acting on intelligence that was backed up by Saddam's behavior. I am no eloquent linguist so I hope that I have not misspoken on any of this. This book was very informative (assuming that the author's research was correct) & seemed to be relatively non-politically charged.

33/m/213

First attempt at clean and jerk. Used 95# for three sets of ten. Didn't record the time but it was long. Still trying to get form down, especially for the clean.

OK, I'm confused. I just finished Grace in 11:13. I was doing full, ass to ground squats with each clean - as per the Clean and Jerk Demo video.

But now that I've finished, and seeing everyone else's times I started looking around and found the Grace-off video. Obviously, they're *just* doing power cleans. I have NOTHING negative to say about the video or their form, they are animals, no matter how you break it down.

My confusion stems from the actual "stated" WOD vs. what is considered acceptable. I pride myself in being "true" to every CrossFit workout (i.e.: if I read 30 Clean & Jerks, I interpret that to mean 30 Full Cleans w/ a Jerk at the top). Should I have known that this doesn't require a full squat clean or a true jerk as opposed to a push press or shoulder press(other than by seeing the Grace-off video)?

Thanks!
Alex

29/M/6'4"/203#
08.12.07 - #115, 6:12
Today - 135#, 3:58(PR)
I was injured last time around, felt good to work at about 85%. Tried some Split Jerks & some Push Jerks, kinda ugly but I got'er'done!!

32/F/5'10"/153#
08.12.07 - 95#, 5:55
Today - 95#, 5:06 (PR)

43/6"1"/194

as rx'd 5:45

breaks were 12, then 4x3, then 3x2. mostly push jerks then split jerks on the last six.

27 y/o male 197lbs
--135lbs 5:15
10mins rest
--115lbs 4:47

Prole #233,

Here's where we differ - what we export I don't see as pathological. Yours is a nuanced position vis a vis the view of many on the right that the left hates America. It's true isn't it?

13:16 at prescribed girl weight (95#).

25/f/5'2/127#

breakfast: run 46 minutes = 6.04 miles

WOD: "Grace"
85# Clean & Jerk, 30 reps for time ......
time = 3:56

woohoo!! new PR for weight and time!

previous Grace: 8/12/07... C&J @ 75# .....
time = 4:36

m 35 bw 158

115 lbs full clean at CFNYC.

10:50. Last time was 10:15. 4th day in a row. need some rest.

missed out on my time. It was total cluster. Coach said 1,2,3 go... he hit the watch and let me be. I hated the light weight, so i stopped and switched up. Then I found that wasn't enough, took at look at 30 reps, sighed, and kept going well past 50. at 11 min & change, Coach came over and asked WTF I was doing.

I just smiled and said I was getting a workout.

Obviously, I wasn't doing "Grace". Sorry about that. Next time I'm heavy from the start and disciplined enough to quit at 30.

And, in regard to post on my previous comment re: name slinging. agree. I am all apologies. It's not cool to call someone a bozo because of their politics... but umm... he had it coming. I mean, that HAIR!? Big red fro-do. Yikes.

or perhaps hair like that isn't actually all that bad. Maybe red fuzzy hair has finally achieved it's 15 minutes, perhaps hollywood has found its new look, and we'll be seeing it in all the fashionable circles this season. yeah, i can see it on Brangelina already.

how irrational and narrow minded of me to not see how cool his follicules are. i was probably just scarred (when i was a wee lass) by a horrible televised clown of the same name (Bozo). may we never speak of that abomnable clown. Child entertainment at its most sinister. I still awaken screaming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo_the_Clown

and, for the moron comment, yeah. a cheap shot that's well beneath me. i'm just peeved at that some hair & fashion-challenged guy was purporting to speak for the troops. protest the war on his own behalf? fine. his perrogative. but, on his mostrously misguided attempt to speak for those of us in uniform? for those of us who went to OIF? That guy? voicing his opinion under the guise of speaking on behalf of the sheepdogs? how dare he. Negative. Not in my name.

umm... but wait. perhaps he is a war vet. yes. that must be it. and he decided to separate from the military, grow an unexcuseable coiffure, dress from the Jerry Garcia couture line, and totally transcend any need for physical fitness. if that's the case, well, then he can speak for the troops, and i retract my criticism of all but his hair. after all, i am a war vet, but i am also a woman, and it's in our nature to call bad hair when we see it.

but, somehow, i rather doubt his military record. but while we're at it, if he IS a warrior sheepdog, tango-killing, protector of America, who only grew his mop for some sort of SpecOps mission, well, then i apologize profusely.

and, also i demand he submit to a urine test for the presence of cannibas.

okay, that last part is a jest.

but, i meant the rest, and it stands for who has earned the right to stand for me and my brave band of brothers (BoB version 2.0).

and, this post serves as an explination for the purely fashion (not politics) critique.

uh, oh! visions of that darn clown are maniacally giggling in my head and chasing my inner toddler around again! must go now or the clowns will eat me.

www.troopsneedyou.com

check out that link. there's someone who's been there to both OIF & OEF, and right now is doing good for us in the political arena. he can speak for me. Eric Egland can march on my behalf. And, he's got pretty good hair.

Semper CrossFit, and let the troops speak for themselves,

Spider Chick

as rx'd 7:32

Mostly power cleans and push jerks. (I wanted to do all squat cleans, but the bar just felt heavy today, probably because I did a CFT yesterday.)

missed out on my time. It was total cluster. Coach said 1,2,3 go... he hit the watch and let me be. I hated the light weight, so i stopped and switched up. Then I found that wasn't enough, took at look at 30 reps, sighed, and kept going well past 50. at 11 min & change, Coach came over and asked WTF I was doing.

I just smiled and said I was getting a workout.

Obviously, I wasn't doing "Grace". Sorry about that. Next time I'm heavy from the start and disciplined enough to quit at 30.

And, in regard to post on my previous comment re: name slinging. agree. I am all apologies. It's not cool to call someone a bozo because of their politics... but umm... he had it coming. I mean, that HAIR!? Big red fro-do. Yikes.

or perhaps hair like that isn't actually all that bad. Maybe red fuzzy hair has finally achieved it's 15 minutes, perhaps hollywood has found its new look, and we'll be seeing it in all the fashionable circles this season. yeah, i can see it on Brangelina already.

how irrational and narrow minded of me to not see how cool his follicules are. i was probably just scarred (when i was a wee lass) by a horrible televised clown of the same name (Bozo). may we never speak of that abomnable clown. Child entertainment at its most sinister. I still awaken screaming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo_the_Clown

and, for the moron comment, yeah. a cheap shot that's well beneath me. i'm just peeved at that some hair & fashion-challenged guy was purporting to speak for the troops. protest the war on his own behalf? fine. his perrogative. but, on his mostrously misguided attempt to speak for those of us in uniform? for those of us who went to OIF? That guy? voicing his opinion under the guise of speaking on behalf of the sheepdogs? how dare he. Negative. Not in my name.

umm... but wait. perhaps he is a war vet. yes. that must be it. and he decided to separate from the military, grow an unexcuseable coiffure, dress from the Jerry Garcia couture line, and totally transcend any need for physical fitness. if that's the case, well, then he can speak for the troops, and i retract my criticism of all but his hair. after all, i am a war vet, but i am also a woman, and it's in our nature to call bad hair when we see it.

but, somehow, i rather doubt his military record. but while we're at it, if he IS a warrior sheepdog, tango-killing, protector of America, who only grew his mop for some sort of SpecOps mission, well, then i apologize profusely.

and, also i demand he submit to a urine test for the presence of cannibas.

okay, that last part is a jest.

but, i meant the rest, and it stands for who has earned the right to stand for me and my brave band of brothers (BoB version 2.0).

and, this post serves as an explination for the purely fashion (not politics) critique.

uh, oh! visions of that darn clown are maniacally giggling in my head and chasing my inner toddler around again! must go now or the clowns will eat me.

www.troopsneedyou.com

check out that link. there's someone who's been there to both OIF & OEF, and right now is doing good for us in the political arena. he can speak for me. Eric Egland can march on my behalf. And, he's got pretty good hair.

Semper CrossFit, and let the troops speak for themselves,

Spider Chick

CFWU x3

Wod as rx'd 26:20

Dear Crossfitters,
I wanted to share a small victory today. I was so inspired by Hari Singh's interview yesterday, spiderchick's recent post detailing her pft success(70 pushups--I like it,) CCT Joey's interview, and now today's post by Tenacious D.

As an emergency physician I tend to spend my days and night with the dredges of society. With time I have come to lose faith in the human condition. But when I read the ideas put forth daily on this posting, I am renewed.

Hari is right, there is some commonality that this community shares that crosses political boundaries and binds us together--be it a certain work ethic, a free spirit, a competative drive or a sense of honor.

I started crossfit in late June in moderately good shape for a 45 year old. My first Grace was on 8/12/07 and I couldn't do 1 clean and jerk at 135#.

Today not only did I set a new PR @ 135 but I did it 30 times! It felt so great. Thank you all for being a community that advises, encourages, entertains, and inspires.
Ben
45/180/
as RX'd 14:55

Everyone who was there on September 15 saw how ugly our race can be. It was the most embarassing display of humanity I've ever witnessed. I was embarassed because the anti-war marchers (of which I was one) gleefully hurled personal insults at the war supporters. I was embarassed because the war supporters gleefully hurled personal insults at the war protestors. Neither side even mentioned the war.
Surely my side, being founded on the notion of a future peaceful world, would be smart and strong enough to rise above such barbarism, I thought. But my side wasn't smart or strong enough. I was astounded as I watched my fellow protestors act like animals, letting go of the principles that brought them there that day to instead yell "Redneck! Fascist!" at the opposition. I'm sure the war supporters that knew better were just as embarassed for the actions of those on their side.
To prove that this issue needs to be addressed, just look at many of the posts above. I feel it is necessary to remind everyone that we are all human beings. We can exercise reason, logic, and compassion. But the moment you stop using these human qualities is the moment your arguments are invalidated. Are you arguing for the truth, or are you arguing because you've found it's fun to argue and put others down?
Although it is a rest day, I want to present crossfitters with one of the hardest challenges you've ever faced- to rise above the animals, and exercise reason, logic, and compassion. Whether you support or oppose the war, I challenge you to be the bigger person during confrontations, to not sink down to the level of animals and personal attacks, but to simply explain the reasons behind your beliefs. Are you strong enough to do this when you are being screamed at? When all you hold dear is being derided? Then prove it.

With brotherly love,
Galen

As rx'd, 9:20

And to all those who serve, your work is appreciated. We do not take your sacrifices lightly!

12:06...5 squat cleans...rest were power cleans.
15:43 8/13/07
17:15 w/ 135lbs 6/24/06
17:45--95x10, 115x10, 135x10 on 11/19/05
11 mins w/ 105-lbs on 10/31/04.

10 min ellip w/u 18/18. hr avg 132, hr max 170.

WU: 400m row and CFWUx3

Pre-WOD: Tied my PR bench press of 300lbs

WOD as RX'd, 135x30 in 29min, alternating sets of 5 w/training partner.

Great workout today.

You know what I find amazing, is that there is a more tempered and generally honest debate about the war taking place on this site than there ever will be in the Press, Congress, or Academia.

Who knew I could turn my body into a 185 pounds of dense meat and expand my brain all in the same location.

#253 - demiurge

You obviously do not know nor understand the history of operation northern and southern watch. What made you think a republican would take office and allow Sadaam to continue attacking our aircraft. Sure Clinton didn’t care about the pilots. But he was stuck trying to prevent the massacre of the Kurds and Shia. So it was business as usual. You act like we forced ourselves there. Why don't you do some homework and read up on the two operations. You just don't get it. The first Gulf War never ended for our enemy. Furthermore, if he didn't have the WMD he certainly acted like he did. Why can't you take the correlation of attacking our aircraft and the danger of him possessing WMD? Or how about him sponsoring terror against Israel? 5k to the family of every suicide bomber blowing up school buses. You are blinded by your socialist anti-capitalism. You can't be convinced of anything even with these hard facts. Instead you make examples of fiction, referring to china in an unrelated example.

You latch on the one of many reasons of war with Iraq. The one thing that turned out to be a mistake. You don’t latch on to the torture rooms, the rape rooms, the mass graves and the real threat to the US. Your blind hate for bush and capitalism prevents you from seeing anything but your subversive propaganda.

Somewhere around 9 minutes. Had to use the cellphone as a timer. Also, I really need to improve my rack position. My wrists keep killing me.

picture is awesome!

Raz 177#/M/35

9:03 Rx'd

44/ m/ 200

5x55
5x65
10x95
5x105
3x115
2x135

7:05

Keep those Grace times flowing!

http://www.logsitall.com

ps - great discussions today, glad to see them even on work days

M/17/132

subbed #95 clean and jerk.
10:52

44/M/185
TIME: 10:27

AS RX'D WITH 135 POUNDS.
ALSO DID 85 STANDARED PUSH UPS WITH OUT STOPPING AND 102 STANDARED SIT UPS WITH OUT STOPPING. RAN 2 MILES IN 13:53.

I DO THIS TEST EVERY 6 MONTHS AS A PULSE CHECK. FELT GOOD. I USUALLY GET BETTER EVERY TIME.

RURAL/METRO FIRE DEPT.
TUCSON. AZ.

Grace @ 95lbs: 7:50

Diane @ 185 and supported HSPUs: 6:30

M/19/156

7:02 (power clean + push jerk)

I want to make one thing clear. Displaced Anachists, communists,pinkos, slackers, hippies, and other scum who do not like baths are not what makethis country great. Protesting or not.

#232 john32

The reason you see Level I certs and just Crossfit Certs is that the demand for certification has gotten so big that they are now breaking up Level I and II certs, when before they did them together. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. If you haven't been to a cert then sign up for a Level I.

Pilar

Coach
RE: the red-headed fellow

I was thinking the same thing. So how do you tell the difference b/w a narc and an authentic hippy? Here's my guess. The narc smell like patchouli, the hippy smells like patchouli and ass.

Also of note...

If it was your job to take the phrase:

"Bush was misinformed by the CIA and every other intelligence agency in the world when they said Iraq had WMD's, but Bill Clinton, Hillary, John Kerry, Al Gore, Howard Dean, and all the other Democrats also said they had WMD's."

and make it rhyme with "people died", you might just say "F-it, let's just say "Bush lied" too.

Sure that was a difficult rhyme, but it wasn't all bad luck for MoveOn. At least GEN Petraeus was put in charge and not that pesky GEN Schmictory.

115#
9:05

27/m/205

did power cleans ans split jerks

10:13

Please cut out the military BS.

I want to hear about your Crossfit questions, workouts and your results.

12 mins
Power clean/jerk

Here is a question about Crossfit:
3 weeks into the WODs and I notice that very little chest work is being done. There seem to be very few pushing exercises (with exception or jerk and press)
Do I need to hang in longer to see the full view of routines or is this a change from the traditional style of lifting that I just need to accept.

Thanks

m 34 150

as rx'd

6:39

1st 10 done in 1:40, then broken into 3's

as Rx'ed 8:55

Squat Cleans

M/25/208#

1000m row to warm up

WOD as rx'd: 10m 09s

1000m row

4 sets: 5 ring pullups and 15 GHSU

Im stationed over here in the Middle east until now ive just wondered if we were doing all this and there was really no one backing us?? those protesters wouldnt know what was right if there life depended on it. thank you, tenacious d, for sticking up for all those who are absent and doing what they believe in.

<4 mins (another friggin' accidental shut off of the watch due to a 'too tight' band), better than my previous effort by over a minute.

I hit fifteen reps at 1.26, I suppose a 3 min time might be possible for me. I think the Crossfit DVD shows Lays/Amundsen doing sub 3s. This is one of those weird ones that leaves you wrecked right after the workout, but feeling almost normal 20 mins later.

Chuck/320 - mind your manners. You have permission to not read anything on this site. The topics are set and directed by the owners, who provide this product for free, and clearly have no issue with today's content.

As for your question - I almost never "bench" any more, but I can bench literally more than I've ever been able to, and when I do, my shoulders no longer hurt. Don't worry about that aspect of your strength - do the program, it'll do you right.

Paul

Being misinformed and presenting info you know to be forged and/or fake as valid, ie the Nigerian Yellowcake, comes pretty close to lying for me. What's wrong with being accountable for what you say? Oh and all the right leaning posts are you getting warnings about being spam as well?

Off to the gym to do my dirty 30!

12:40 as prescribed. 25/30 were full a-to-a squat cleans and about 5 were power cleans. BW= a bit under 155#. This is about 6 minutes faster than my previous Grace, which was the first time I had done it as prescribed.

Tariq

"Grace"

subbed 95#

7:50

post: worked on DU's, up to 5

Don't know what happened to my post, but here goes again: 10:22 with 70# cleans, BW 127. Up from 9:10 with 65# last time, next time I'll try for 75#.

26/m/170

95# - first half squat cleans, second half power cleans.

8:29

31/m/210/6'5"

As rx'd, 135 lbs.

5:31

16 seconds better than previous. Was hoping for sub 5 min, but didn't have it in me.

5:45 as rx'd, 3 months into crossfit and loving it.

steve/51/163
Grace
115lbs.power cleans
4:51 last time 5:40

Patty/49
30lb bar
3:41,last time 5:37

19/M/165

.75 mile warmup
cfwu x 3

1st time doing "Grace"

As rx'd: 6:45

.75 mile cooldown

9/21/07

Endurance Strength 4r ea.
Christopher(13/95#/5'3")/Todd(38/170#/5'10")
15min

OHS 120/45
Jumping Ring Muscle ups/Dips
Chins +25#/BW

Todd 7 rounds + 4 OHS
Christopher 7rounds +4OHS

Finisher: GRACE

Todd PC&PP 135#/4:33

Christopher PC&PP 55#/4:32

Son beat my by 1sec. Arrrrrrhhhh.

Lots of fun!!!!!

Frozen fruit smoothies and Vits-E,C,A&D

5:15 with 135. I spent the last two months training for a 1/2 marathon and I can definitely tell the difference from training in an oxidative state. Before the 1/2 marathon training, I did the snatch x30 workout int 4:15.

Crap... miss-informed on workout. 30 Power Cleans 135#, felt good then did 30 @ 95#.

24M/6'6"/240#

As RX'd: 4:10

Felt really slow today. Could be faster. Next time though right! Next time!

Shay - no time worked on skill transfer

Carole - no time worked on skill transfer

Barri - 17:00 135x10 95x8 135x10 95x2 struggled with 135 so i scaled down to 95 then added some aggression to 28 then scaled the last 2 at 95.

26 yom

194#

12:20

28/f/110#

4:48 (PR)

75# power cleans

pre: 5 mile run on TM: 43:33
modified CFWUx2 + Burgener WU + HSPU practice
post: stretching

26 yom

194#

12:20

135# as rx'd

3:55 PR! as Rx'd

Faster than last time by 18 sec. As an added bonus, this was done in my garage (its raining in L.A. for the first time in around a year) where I drew a little chalk box; to step outside the box would mean hitting a rafter and quite possibly bringing the structure down. So worked in accuracy to this wod. Lungs still wheezy.

Scaled to 95#

6:10 - PR by :22

Second half ended up being power cleans as the weight really didn't dictate me getting lower to get under it. Maybe not as tough of a workout as it was meant to be, but good enough for me today. I did the alternating split jerks also.

Age 29
BW 165

11:41

previous = 16:32
previous = 16:15

11:50 @55lb.

previous = A slow 12:40 with a 45lb bar.

34yo male 195lb.

Grace with 105lb. overhead anyway..8:04 cut my chin with bar on rep 23. thought I was going to visit Uncle punie when all said and done

last time I did this used 95lb, time was way over 10min.

3..2..1..

RE: post 341...I obviously mean Uncle Pukie

Hari #282--

Thanks for the thoughtful response. What you say is possible. I have a difficult time believing the administration wasn't shopping for a particular answer regarding WMD, but I concede that is speculation on my part. I belive, though, that there is a substantial burden of proof on a President before invading a sovereign nation, however odious its leader. This administration failed to bring sufficient rigor to their analysis.

My view is that we could have a more rational discussion of what to do now if our leaders showed more humility and candor regarding the early misjudgments. But unfortunately politicians--neither from the right nor the left--have distinguished themselves by displaying those attributes. Nor have their supporters.

As an aside, I read that you studied w/ an oddball who later became a Nobel Laureate. I'm guessing that was John Nash. Just curious.

Regards.

Bret,

I'll agree with you: it probably is best to stick to Rest Days. As regulars know, they last 4 days anyway.

In that spirit, I would like to encourage all the people who logged on today to "encourage" a soldier who's in the fight to read the article posted yesterday and provide feedback. I'm seeing a lot of names I didn't see yesterday, and a lot of sentiments and arguments that have been demolished repeatedly.

I will add, that there is nothing inherently "American" or "patriotic" about opening your mouth. If I believe, for example--as many leftists do--that our culture and political system is fundamentally corrupt, injust, and oriented soly around the interests of the very rich, then I can call for the overthrow--as many Leftists implicitly and explicitly have--of the government.

Does that make me patiotic? Would "rightists" be wrong in condemning me as unpatriotic? Self evidently, patriotism is oriented around an interest in the good of one's nation, and anybody that is not fundamentally supportive of who we are, what we believe, and desirous of our continued success as a nation, is not patriotic.

We regularly encounter--and from my perspective defeat logically, factually and rhetorically--people who propose all of the usual arguments. If these arguments are unsupportable and if they help and encourage our enemies, they are unpatriotic.

I can call someone unpatriotic--and any other name I want, just as leftists regularly abuse Bush with the most ridiculous epithets--and that is perfectly acceptable. If it's offensive, well it's offensive to me how the little children of the Left want to compare our Commander in Chief to an Austrian corporal. Take some of your own medicine, and then grow up.

194#

1:49(pr) as rx'd

22yo M; 160

Scaled to 95#

4:51

As RX'd: 10:03. Dang it!

as rx'ed

5:56

C&J any way

as rx'ed
5:56

M/44/250#

as rx'd
9:44

27 y/o male

170 lbs, 5'10"

7:33 as rx'd

24/f/5'6"/152

85 pounds, power cleans and split jerks

8:13

Previous time was 14 minutes flat with 85 lbs. Will try 95 lbs next time.

Barry -

"If I believe, for example--as many leftists do--that our culture and political system is fundamentally corrupt, injust, and oriented soly around the interests of the very rich, then I can call for the overthrow--as many Leftists implicitly and explicitly have--of the government.

Does that make me patiotic? Would "rightists" be wrong in condemning me as unpatriotic? "

Well according to the Declaration of Independence :

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

So I guess yeah it is patriotic to alter your government if it ain't working. According to our founding fathers it would be unpatriotic NOT to. But Please read the whole thing it goes on to state a whole bunch of neat stuff like Life, Liberty and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, which seems to be particularly irksome to a lot of people. It also states that we should be thoughtful and not overthrow the Government unless we have good cause too.

I don't think we should overthrow our Govt, as long as we count the votes fairly I think we will be just fine. I also am not afraid of dissent, as a lot of people here seem to be, and feel no need to insult and call people "disgusting and smelly" "leftists" or "defeatists" or any other kind of "ists" just because I don't agree with them. It demeans your own position and lowers the debate to a schoolyard mentality. But if that's what you want to do go ahead.

WOD wise
Warmup:

15lb barbell windmills x20 each way
15lb barbell twists x20
20 1 leg push ups (someone told me those are harder didn't seem like it)

10 pullups
10 dips

20 back ext
20 back leans(tried to touch the floor but couldn't)

WOD
30 x 115lbs
12:11

could have shaved some time off if people hadn't kept coming up and asking how many more sets I had, sheesh the gym was almost empty! they can't find another cage?

Uncle Pukie threatened to pay a visit but I fended him off, and I have almost no mobility in my wrists.

CF Rocks!

scaled to 95#

9:21

still having trouble catching full squat cleans low enough, did mostly power cleans

Neil: 115lbs 9:17 w/split jerks

Full warm up

As Rx'd
6:50
*Good Form throughout. Never needed split jerk. Just push-press.

#314 Pilar,
Thanks so much for clearing that up for me. Have a great weekend.
John

Coach,

Be advised I know Right and Left are woefully inadequate shorthand, but anyway…I don’t think ”The” left hates America. Actually, I don’t really think there is a Left in America worth talking about. I think the Left hates the Right. And, so often the Right articulates its position as America’s position (a conscious rhetorical strategy) that people who are anti-Right come across as anti-America. America is a collection of nearly 300 000 000 individuals. Saying you hate it is like saying you hate everything; it is so varied that it would be hard to say what “it” is.

The thing is, when Tenacious D says something like: either the US is the “greatest country” in the world and we’re a “light in the darkness”, or we’re pawns of neo-con corporate agenda, it can be alienating to people who have less emotional commitment to the US being the best country in the world, but are happy with it being the country they live in, and a good one at that, one they might even sincerely be working toward improving. Some people think the US is the greatest country in the world, and that it is fighting many battles, one of which is against a neo-con corporate agenda.

I’m sure people on the left hate America, but that’s emotional, it’s like those who, ‘love’ America unconditionally. What really do they love, their town, their home, their families, their liberties? What is this America? How could anyone possibly know that America is the best country? Would you compare constitutions? health statistics? basketball teams? social status of racial minorities, gender equality per capita wealth? rate of incarceration? what sort of story its grammar school history texts tell? You could live a month or a year in 15 different countries and how would you know? If you are the child of a single mother, is the US the best country in the world, or might another be? If you are smart and hardworking but not smart enough to get a scholarship, is the US the best country in the world? etc… Serious concern over the US being the greatest among nations is bordering on pathological to me.

19/m/178/ 5' 10"

Just got back from riding the porcelein bus--misread the WOD as 3 sets of 30 reps @ 135... might skip tomorrow

as r'xed (for 3 sets of 30)

33:19

95#
10:06
ugly

95lbs x 10 not that great form
45lbs x 10 great form
85lbs x 5 decent form
65lbs x 5 good form

46 y/o – 6’ – 225#

As RX’d

4:08

Full 1:03 slower today, layoffs suck.

m/38/173/67"

cfwu x3 at a fast pace

wod as rx'd

8:52

4:50 faster then 070812 13:42

Rx'd at 7:20.

My first time at this one, and I hope to shave a couple minutes off the next time I do it!!!!

Bleed like you got it to spare!

Mike

43/m/165

115# power cleans and push jerks (some degraded into push presses)

30 reps in 13:45

Not fast, but way better than my last time of 18:21 using the same weight. Sweet.

Rx'd at 7:20.

My first time at this one, and I hope to shave a couple minutes off the next time I do it!

Bleed like you got it to spare!

Mike

As Rx'ed; 16:50

36/188
135# Full squat clean & jerk
10:00 even

F/46/114

85# power clean/push jerk: 7:58. Hats off to the full squat clean crowd!

M/36/178

Third CF WOD (working at 45%)

Aiming for 45% of the reps at 45% of the weight, but I thought I'd push myself and do all the reps at 45% of the weight. No barbell setup, though, so I compromised.

30 x Clean & Jerk w/ two 30# dumbbells

Formed sucked. It really sucked. My familiarity with this exercise is pretty low, so I tried to follow Annie's example in the DB Split Lifts video. I should practice this one with the 10# DBs until the form's right.

14:43 (15:31 to cool to 147 bpm), <3 rt 169 avg, 180 max, 251 cal (20% fat)

I can only get stronger from here, right?

95# at 3:45

OK... neither of us did today's WOD but we did:

56/M/185 wu C&Js 5x45 lbs, 5x95 lbs, 1x115.. 4 C&Js into the WOD and my knee (tweaked backpacking) said no,no,no. So.. I then did 4 rounds in 13:33 of 15 pullups and 30 Abmats

46/F/125 Still in hotel this morning so she did a modified Helen, 3 rounds for time of 400m row, 21 KBS w/ 25 lbs, 12 pullups in 19:31

37 bw 190
as rx'd
5:43

Almost forgot to mention that family went to a county fair today and the Marine recruiter was challenging people to pull-ups. Non-kipping I did 20, my 6yo son did 4 and my 4yo son did 3. My crossfit kids were drawing oohs and ahhs from the crowd. I am a proud father and crossfit is awesome.

M/31/194

Grace w/ 115# - Time: 4:26

Still nursing that knee injury.

Post: ab circuit/stretch

Power clean and push press/push jerk mix with 135 lbs.

2:15

Age 51/BW 250# "GRACE" subbed sigle arm clean&jerk w/55# "big bar" 30/side (11:35)

#384, Prole,

"[1]If you are the child of a single mother, is the US the best country in the world, or [2] might another be? [3] If you are smart and hardworking but not smart enough to get a scholarship, is the US the best country in the world? etc…"

1: Yes. 2: No. 3: Yes.

You ever notice that for every alternative choice you might mention for the greatest country in the world, the net flow of immigrants from there to here is 100 to 100,000 time the flow from here to there?

"Serious concern over the US being the greatest among nations is bordering on pathological to me."

This country exists because countless "pathological" members of the US military have been willing to die so that you and they might live in country where people like you can still be free to express your contempt for their mental state.

Grace
#135 power clean & jerk mixed with split jerk
7:35

9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

TSCHANZY 45 YOM 165LBS 5"9"

FIRST DAY BACK IN TWO MONTH APRROX. EASING INTO IT. DID 95 LBS AS RXED 15:30

9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

#370, Tom R,

I understand and respect your position.

(It wasn't John Nash.)

CFWU X 3

WOD
10:05

concentrated on good form, did lots of warmups with 95lbs before 30 with 135lbs

Barry - you should check out this cool document called the declaration of independence. Has a lot to say about altering or overthrowing a government that isn't doing a good job. Not that I am for doing that , as long as the votes get counted fair and square I think we'll all be fine. Just realize that under your analogy Thomas Jefferson and the entire Continental Congress would have been considered a bunch of leftist, defeatest, ists ists ists.

WOD
38 m/235
115x30
12:11

Was introduced to Crossfit a couple of years ago, but have just begun getting serious about it and in the last month, I've become a full fledged Crossfit addict. Love the comments and the inspiration - thanks be to Coach and the Crossfit community!

m-6-37-168

Still learning the olympic weight stuff. Did this w/75 lbs in 12 minutes last time.

Upped it to 85 lbs this time, took 16 minutes. Tough workout.

While I understand the deadlift and the hangclean separately, I'm still having a hard time combining the two into a proper clean.

Looks like I'm gonna get more practice tomorrow with the snatch...

21/m/155

9:11 as rx'd

80 lbs

15:56 and last time i did 8:00 minutes where i struggled with 95 pounds but this time it took more time but i was able to do the recommended of 135.

135 30reps as rx'ed 9:22
3rd xfit workout.

95 lbs

3 sets 10/10/10

Grace with 95lbs (45kg)

14:56

Got better as I went along

21/m/5"9 165#

135# x 35 reps

most of it was broken up to 2 or 3 reps at a time.

didn't like the jerk, rotary cuff surgery, so just did a push press

time was around 35 minutes... way too much talking. next time though :)

11:47 as Rx'd

BW 70kg
5.57
as Rxed
60kg Power Clean & Push Jerk

M/35/170

as prescribed 5:10

I did this one as rx'd but like they did in the video.
Nolan: 5:06 @ 135
Chris: 6:34 @ 95

First time doing cleans of any kind

Did power cleans and push press
Better workout than I thought
Went lighter to work on form, form still needs work

1-5 - 105#
6-10 - 95#
11-30 - 85#

9:14

7:29 as rxd

as rx'd except used 150lb instead of 135.
time=12:10

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

22/148

WOD as rx'd @ 135#

9:45(pr by nearly 3:30)

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

34yom/215

As rx'd 8:31

Previous attempt 13:01

45m200

as rx'd 6:25

another pr, last time was 9:50. how many ways can it be said that CROSSFIT RULES!

CFWUx2
WOD rx,d 7:40
rope climbsx4

analog wall clock, about 7.5 mins

as rx'd.

bw 163 age 38
Power cleans
Rx'd wieght
15:58

11:04

115#

4:31 with 75#

When I first did grace it took me close to 20 minutes with 65#.

Jeff- @ home
PC and PJ
Broken-10 then 3s
3:49

DZ- @ v's
PC and Push press or Push Jerk
6:20

36/195lbs
Colorado Springs

Power clean/jerk last go around was 3:56. This time was full squat clean/jerk and resulted in:

7:59 as rx'd

Scaled to 75#s
12:17

Male/6'5"/215/25yo

Grace, as Rx'd
*Personal Best of 3:17*

25/Male/6'5"/215
Grace, as Rx'd: 3:17 (Personal Best)

98# Squat clean and split jerk
8:14

m/33/175 140 days since CF, Columbus Ohio

115 lbs

12:05

m/33/175 142 days since CF, Columbus Ohio

This is for me

day should read 142 not 140 Sorry to waste bit space.

2:52...I'm a believer.

My mistake...I'm 28 6'1/280..(down from 330 thanks to Crossfit

My mistake...I'm 28 6'1/280..(down from 330 thanks to Crossfit)

22/M/198lb
6:00~6:30 with 135lb

135# power clean and jerk 30x's
1:47 PR
from floor to full extension overhead every rep. wasn't very pretty but the work and intensity were undeniable. I can see how someone can argue crossfit training like this can be harmful if not very careful of technique, but damn nothing can come close to reaching this type of intensity.

24/M/195

As Rx'ed at 135 lbs.

5:16

I couldn't get to the gym today so I substituted "Helen" for a decent time of 16:36.

Male/40/BW165

90lb clean and jerk
30 reps 7:30

10 MIN
first 10 as jerk
rest were push-press

5.30

M/26/204

as rx'd - 7'03

About a minute slower than last time.

11 minutes, 60 pounds

27m/183#'s

As Rx'd 9:02
Getting much better at the olympic lifts. I felt far more powerful today and expect to shave a couple minutes off this exercise for next time.

as rx'd
9:37

Randy,

I have listened to something on the order of 50 30 minute lectures oriented around the concepts of freedom and focussing on the guiding principles and historical background of the Declaration of Independence within the last six months.

It is asinine in the extreme--in my view a prima facie concession of either ignorance or a desire to score points at the cost of intellectual integrity--to compare the situation of the colonies under King George, with the situation today. Do you have taxation without representation? No. Do you have freedom of speech, religion and assembly? Yes. Do you have the right to keep and bear arms? Yes.

What freedoms, exactly, other than the freedom to get fat without working on the backs of others--wait you have that right too--what right or rights do you believe you missing that cause you to believe that you are doing anything other than being obtuse? Obviously, it's not the freedom of speech.

Are you sufficiently ignorant of history that you cannot grasp the differences between our own government, and that of, well, pretty much any autocratic regime in history?

And with respect to the Yellow Cake, please help me out. Please outline that case for me. Where I'm sitting, it's been proven that Joe Wilson has zero factual basis for making his accusations. Presumably you have information not available to the public media. Bush cited British intelligence, which did not rely on fabricated Italian bills of lading. What are you relying on, precisely? Cite a link, please, that backs up the claim.

3:19

Scaled to 95#

5:03

I think I need to squat a lot lower.

Scaled the Filthy Fifties into Filthy 25's.

Subbed 45# thrusters for wallball, tuck jumps for double-unders.

Mike:25 reps of all
T= 12:20

A friend participated for his first CF workout, scaled to "Filthy Tens"

Court:10 reps of all
T= 10:20 good work!

edit: sorry, it was Poncho's first workout. Court's first was Monday.

135#
12:25
still working on form, big time!

as rx'd
12:25

12:25
as rx'd

As rx'd 12:20

M/34/170
Cincy, OH

6:17 135# power cleans/push jerks mixed with split jerks

Scaled to 65 pounds; 13:18.

#348, Randy,

"Being misinformed and presenting info you know to be forged and/or fake as valid, ie, the Nigerian Yellowcake, comes pretty close to lying for me. What's wrong with being accountable for what you say?"

By your own definition, you yourself seem to come "pretty close to lying." You are either misinformed and/or misrepresenting the facts regarding Nigerian Yellowcake. Actually, you're not even bothering to state facts, just inuendo.

"Oh and all the right leaning posts are you getting warnings about being spam as well?"

Are you suggesting that the span filter is context sensitive, disproportionately catching comments from only one political viewpoint. Honestly, if you can believe that, you can believe just about anything.

Maybe it's not CrossFit's software that's holding your comments. Maybe it's the government.

Semper Fidelis

As rx'd and a day behind; 13:55

As rx'd at 135
6:14

Had to repeat 6 reps. they were sloppy.
I tried for 1 rep every 10 seconds, I didn't make it.

My ultimate goal for grace is 2:30, or one every five seconds.

Slayed myself after by sumo style throwing my 20kg concrete wedge 30 times
and 20 round the worlds with my homemade macebell

Scaled to 45 kg.

14:46

Too heavy, should have scaled even more. The full squat cleans involuntarily turned into power cleans for the last 10 reps. Good form at first, but it deteriorated quickly. Still, I gave it my all in at was a hell of a workout.

14:26
sub'd 115#
form is getting better

M/32/168

As rx'd 8:11.

Good form, slow time.

(135lbs clean & jerk)

44/76"/196

very slow purposely, working on split jerks as shown in the video - never done them before

subbed 115-lbs

22:00

Used 115lbs

7:00

Barry - Just goes to show you that listening and understanding are two different exercises. I taught American Gov't to recent immigrants, and ordinary citizens, who were getting ready for their citizenship tests. They all passed with flying colors, and I learned more from them about what truly makes this country great than I ever did from any college course.

My one and only point was that your analogy was erroneous inside of our country's history and system of government. You stated that you would be correct in calling anyone who advocated the overthrow of our govt to be unpatriotic. I pointed out that some very patriotic folks advocated just that in the declaration of independence. So you were wrong, simple enough. I then said that I did not support the overthrow of our government because it satisfied the criteria set down in the same declaration of independence for preserving and protecting our inalienable rights chief among them life liberty and pursuit of happiness. So what exactly is your problem? I just restated the Declaration of Independence and pointed out how you directly contradicted it.

The main lesson I got from my students is that we definitely live in the greatest nation on earth. Running away with it. No one even comes close. That's my opinion, and everyone else is welcome to theirs. But if our government stopped protecting our inalienable rights, and there was not sufficient means of redress, I'd be the first one to storm the gates. What side would you be on Barry?

True patriotism means making yourself accountable to the ideals laid out in the declaration of independence expounded upon in the Federalist Papers and then codified in the Constitution. Accountable not only for your own rights but the rights of your fellow citizens as well. Fox has done a good job in training you to think of the symbols of this American ideal, the flag, the eagle, the pledge of allegiance as the ideals themselves, but they are only the symbols,not the ideals themselves and worship of them goes not only against the American ideal, but against the 10 commandments as well, which I personally think are a good guide to living your life.

I'll put together a reading list for you on the Yellow Cake issue. Its pretty straightforward what happened despite what O'Reilly tells you to think.

Barry - It is asinine in the extreme--in my view a prima facie concession of either ignorance or a desire to score points at the cost of intellectual integrity--to compare the situation of the colonies under King George, with the situation today.

Really? You should tell Amb. Crocker, Pres. Bush, Myriad Republican Senators and Reps, and Fox News because they all have. Repeatedly.

http://www.anamericanfrontporch.com/2007/07/bush-compares-iraq-to-american.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=28812
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/11/28/fox_news_chickenhawks_disappointed_iraq_study_group_report_may_prevent_war_with_iran_syria.php

I'd post more links but you know how to use Google and I have to go do Isabel.

WOD as Rx'ed with 135 lbs
7:04 - pr by over 2 minutes.
31y/M/215/firefighter

no politics to offer.

M/31/195

2x 200 single unders and 10 burpees, CFWUx2

WOD in about 4 mins
Broke 10-5-5-5-5
Last 10 went pretty quick.

As Rx, 8:30. Lousy form, next time I slow down and go deep.

Politics: I served in Iraq for nearly 2 years with Special Forces. I believe invading was the right thing to do. Though disappointed in the results thus far, I still think we can win and I believe we should keep trying. I respect those who oppose the war out of moral principle. i don't respect those whose opposition to the war is rooted in conspiracy theory or who claim it was "illegal." Anyone who thinks 911 was an inside job is an idiot.

19 yom bw 165
subbed 103 pounds
4:45
crossfit works because this is less than half the time it took me to do my last "grace" a little over a month ago. i should mention too that i was using 75 pounds then.
thank you greg glassman for a damn good program, though a meager "thank you" does not seem sufficient.

28yo, 5'11", 172lbs

As Rx'd: 10 min.

First time with Grace. Fun. Most cleans were power cleans. Almost all jerks were straight push jerks.

I don't get Fox. I don't watch TV. Any TV. I get the New York Times emailed to me daily. I can read between the lines, so it's not too bad. I read news links on the internet--primarily leftist ones--and I read a lot of essays and editorials.

I can't decide if you are being obtuse on purpose or if it is sincere. You do understand that our soldiers swear an oath to the Constitution? You do understand that anyone who works to undermine the Constitution is committing treason?

Do you think that by saying that "governments", in general, can be "overthrown", that that supports the conclusion you seem to draw, which is that overt treason is American? Or does working to help our enemies through either intention or stupidity not count any more as treason?

Self evidently, we have large numbers of people on the Left calling Bush a fascist. We are told we are becoming a Police State. We are told the war with Iraq was illegal. You are going to provide me with classified intelligence which will be in your view demonstrably fabricated.

The common thread of all these rhetorical memes is that they view the United States first and foremost as an instrument of evil, and downplay or ignore nearly every atrocity committed by our enemies. Good example: cutting off hands in Abu Ghraib.

One does not have to ponder too long, or too hard, to watch this relentless, uncritical criticism and conclude that these people basically, in their views and actions, don't like much of anything about America. If I criticize my girlfriend or wife day and night without cease, how long can I tell her I love her and have her stay with me? Unless she is psychologically damaged, not long.

You say you taught immigrants. Wonderful. Why did they come here? Because we are freer in the opportunites we offer, and rights we support than any other nation on earth. Yet you see no evidence of this belief on the Left. You see Bush called a fascist. Consistently.

Given that we are prosecuting a war, and given that he is the Commander in Chief, I see no reason whatsoever not to infer from the abuse heaped on him that they want a "regime change". Heck, that might even make a good license plate.

To support this "regime change", there is no lie they will not tell, and no misunderstanding they will not gleefully leap at.

Give me the yellowcake data, and then explain to me your case for critiquing the war. I've been looking at these things for at least a year, and I have become steadily more supportive of the war, because I have seen no one who can argue these cases.

And if you can't argue the case, and if the case you do provide supports our enemies, that is unpatriotic, in addition to being dumb if not profoundly disingenuous. If that hurts your feelings, look in the mirror and ask you if Bushitler has the same effect. I tend to think not.

Oh yes, the comparison. Bush compared Iraq to America, pre-Revolution. I agree with him. Are you incapable of grasping that the United States, today, is different than the United States of 1776, and Iraq of today?

There is self evidently no need to overthrow today's government--although there of course would be if the Police state rhetoric actually had any basis in reality, which it obviously doesn't--and if the left would quit complaining about non-issues, I'd be a lot less critical.

I worry much more about the consequences of failure in the GWOT than sensible precautions enacted to proactively catch or kill terrorists, since after the fact is a bit too late.

Randy,
I get my posts held all the time, and, me and Coach...well, we be cool like dat. I just write with stuff that catches the filter or is inappropriate, and the mods trash it.

So quit your whinney, conspiracy theories.

Harl,

My english took a digger in that post, sorry what I meant to say is that "Being misinformed and presenting info you know to be false or at the very best extremely suspect are two different things," my apologies. Here is a link that backs up most of what I said. Official British Gov't docs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

In specific relation to the yellowcake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_forgery

There is no more serious matter for the President to engage in than taking his nation to war. You don't do it on evidence you know to be dubious. You base the word of the office of the President and the Nation he represents on cold hard facts. If you are going to be a man about it and say you are accountable for the evidence you present, then I ask: Who was ever held accountable?

Would this level of Charlie Fox ever pass muster in any of the armed services?

WMD's were THE main justificaction for going to war. Read the transcripts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationale_for_the_Iraq_War

Other evidence was just filler, and I don't think justifies invasion.

Saddam a torturing dictator. Sure was. So are a lot of others, a lot of whom we now call friends Quaddafi, Mubbarrak, etc. We are not invading them.

Saddam wanted WMD? Sure did. We sold him some precursors back in the 80's via Rumsfeld:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war

But a lot of other dictators want WMD too some even have them like North Korea and Pakistan. If we invaded every evil despot that wanted WMD we would pretty much have to take on half the third world.

I hope that helps Harl for evidence. I take what you say about inuendo with respect and agree that I was guilty of it. I hope these links help assuage that and those with other opinions will not engage in inuendo as well.

To the owners of this BB and others affected I apologize, it was not right for me to insinuate that political views influenced spam filtering, I was just frustrated at not being able to respond in a timely manner to the postings addressed to me. I would welcome further coaching in the area of not having my posts set off the spam filter and waste your valuable time.

26m,167lbs,6ft

9:26 w/ 115lbs.

Randy,

I have had two that never made it out in the last two weeks. I have one in response to your non sequitur in there now.

With respect to your post, is that the best you can do? The Downing Street memo has no smoking gun. It includes "being fixed" in there. That proves nothing. I would interpret that to mean that all evidence in support of the case was being marshalled, and that the development of such evidence was a principle focus.

With respect to the Italian forgery, I've already commented on that. The existence of a forgery does not prove anything. It proves someone wanted to discredit Bush, but not that that was the principle piece of evidence.

Do you not remember the elaborate and constant games Hussein played?

Do you not recall that Saddam was intentionally starving his own people, that the UN was profiting from the Oil for Food program, to a disgusting extent, and that every nation that opposed us had business dealings in the area?

Here is a speech from Hillary Clinton: ". . .if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

She goes on: "While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. . . .If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise."

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

You can do this work, and you can do it without the sanctimony, and seeming self satisfaction in successfully regurgitating arguments I've been seeing for 3 years or more.

You don't have a plan for securing peace in the region that is even remotely feasible. You are criticizing without offering an alternative, and like Joey said whiners don't great or even acceptable Americans make.

Do I think you are unpatriotic? Yes, because you are not opposed on principle to this war, but because of any number of propagandistic elements you are not working to move past, and because while we have soldiers in harms way you are offering condemnation of the war without any alternative solution.

I don't use the word unpatriotic to shut down debate. I use it as descriptive. Like most words, it does actually have meaning, although one could be forgiven for forgetting that after spending too many hours on the websites of leftists.

95lbs in 3:55.

Should have done 115lbs. 135 was way too much on the jerk, but 95 turned out to be too light, I think.

M/45/6'/220

Scaled to 95#

30 reps: 5:07

As rx'd:

6:30

In one week, three friends have made their first visit to workout in my garage gym. Very good.

Tonight's effort:

Mike P did CrossFit workout "Grace" 135# clean & jerk, 30 times
T = 9:50

Mike H did 4 rounds for time of:
10x back ext
10x KTE
10x 16kg KBswing
10x 45# thrusters
T = 9:30

Woohah, good sweat!

Mike P: I also sussed out my 1RM deadlift, did 3x 140kg (PR)
and 3 muscle ups. Prior to the workout I did 3x 155# (PR) (old PR was 95#, you can see how I've neglected the second part of C&J)

22/M/157

65#

2:49

6:00

8:38 45X15, 65X15
Last time (8/12): 26:00 35X10,45X10,65X10

3 Mile run-
22:22
Then
20 Clean and Jerk 95#
then
12 Dips
12 Pulls

37/f/72"/150

9:32
65 X 10
45 X 10

Need work on form

38/M/190
CFWUx2
WOD scaled to 95# x 30 reps in 9:50

6:10 as rx'd

03yom, 155#
6:45 as rx'd.

as required.

6:55mins. 10k more than last time and 30 secs faster

M/23/135lbs

13:41

Scaled to 40Kg
did it in 5 rep sets

Used a bit too much weight so it was difficult to maintain intensity and form.
Will try 37.5 next time.

Really enjoying learning the Oly lifts

29yo
11:37
95lbs
MHR 173
AHR 162

11:35 95lbs

11:35
95lbs

26/F/115

Clean and Jerk

75# x 15
55# x 15

9:37

115LBS, 6:44

M/38/5'11"/170

Subbed 75 lbs.

First five were full cleans with a pause between each one. Then did 5 sets of 5 of hang clean + jerk, as fast as possible.

11:30

Last time was about 15:00 for 65 lbs.

135lb was too much to go fast for me...I decide to do it as prescribed with perfect form...regardless of the time. I ran about two mile did the warmup and finished Grace. I either did 30, 31, or 32. I lost count twice but erred on the side of doing too many.

27 min

135# for the first 8 reps, 115# for the last 22.

Right around 12 min.

First time ever doing jerks, had to redo a bunch of cleans since I was concentrating on the jerk; accidentally catching some cleans in a lunge ;)

#488, Randy,

"My english took a digger in that post, sorry what I meant to say is that "Being misinformed and presenting info you know to be false or at the very best extremely suspect are two different things," my apologies."

Fair enough. I don't disagree with the your distinction.

But what specifically do you find in any of your links that supports the assertion that Bush is guilty not of simply being misinformed and/or wrong in his beliefs, but rather of "presenting info that [he knew] to be false or the very best extremely suspect?"

18'20 done as rxed except push presses vice jerks because I cannot figure out jerks. A pr first time done with rxed weight.

Harl,

I look at the timeline, if you read the quotes from the transcripts in the links I provided it is pretty clear that the administration had decided to invade Iraq right after 9/11 specifically Rusmsfeld's exhortation to bomb Iraq even after Clarke and Tenet told him there was no connection. Both the September Dossier and the "Dodgy Dossier" prepared for public consumption by Blair contained caveats that the evidence was "dubious" and the later investigations into these dossiers all said that the conclusions were not supported by the evidence.

There is also Clarke's testimony on the events and instructions to find evidence linking Saddam to 9/11

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

Fox has pretty viciously attacked Clarke and the administration has gone out of it way to declassify testimony in an attempt to discredit him. But read both sides of the story, and I think you'll find that he comes off as pretty credible.

Tenet himself has said that the reference to yellowcake should have been taken out of the State of the Union Speech, as it had been in previous speeches but he didn't have time to read it.

Here is a better timeline than I could ever provide. Pay particular attention to the events of the fall of 2002 leading up to the president's speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_leak_scandal_timeline

The article is pretty well cited and backed up by congressional testimony and other gov't documents.

It appears pretty obvious to me that the administration was intent on invading Iraq from at least 9/11 on. And then set about gathering "evidence" not to make up their minds but to justify their actions to the public. But that is not what they told the American People nor the Congress, and that is not acting with integrity. Furthermore, no one has ever been held accountable for what they did or said then. Tenet was even given the Medal of Freedom!

I say again that no endeavor can succeed without accountability and integrity, and sadly this administration has lacked both.

6'2" 182# 34yom

14:59

Hari 406

Thank you for answering my questions by restating them, and concluding them with periods instead of question marks. You've given me a lot to think about.

The quality of the men and women who make up America's military is not at issue. I have no contempt for their mental state. I have no way of knowing what it is, and I have a difficult time imagining there is only one.

I disagree with US foreign policy. I think it is immoral (and unwise). The goodness of the soldiers (to the extent that they are good)does not change the badness of the policy.

Wrapping yourself in the flag but is a poor rhetorical strategy if you hope to convince by reason. The flag, on its own, is as articulate as a fist. When it is so often raised up for its own, it becomes a false idol. Prayer anyone?

Prole,

Consider the following statement: "I believe it is better to be right than wrong."

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much information is contained in that statement, with 1 being none?

Randy,

If Hillary was convinced, how can you lay this thing at Bush's feet? And why are you pretending that Hussein had not been screwing around with us for the duration of Clinton's two terms, and the first part of Bush's? The only thing that changed with Bush was a determination to do something about it, not any observable reality.

Iraq is a theater in the War on Terror--now more than ever--and there was never a thought that Bin Laden was staging there. The thought was that there was a natural potential marriage of convenience there, which was buttressed by evidence of past contacts between Al Queda and Hussein's government.

30y/M/205/6'/USAF-CPT

thanks for the inspiring picture. Strength isn't just muscle its having resolve to do what is right and see your commitment through to the end. This is why I love the cross-fit community. I've been to Iraq 4 times myself and heading for a 5th tour.

It kills me that the Iranian president can come to the US to make a speech at Columbia but all the Stanford liberals are up in arms about Rummy taking a post at the Hoover Institute. But hey, I'll still defend their right to free speech.

politics aside......

CFWUx3
10:45
Rep breakdown
5-5-4-4-4-4-4
tough but good.

Finished with 2mile run=14:14

45/m/186/5'11"

as req'd

8:35

scaled to 90# and caught each clean in a squat
7:44

30 yom 260lbs

As Rxd

Form stayed pretty good -- full squat cleans and push jerk

12:48

Barry - I don't care what Hillary says, she was not President. Why do you insist that Bush not be accountable for what he said? It is inconceivable to me how any President, or anyone who calls himself a man for that matter, who starts a fight would not want the consequences of that fight laid right AT his feet.

Thats called acountabilty.
Thats called integrity.
Add 'em up you get manhood.

So why you would argue that George should not man up and take responsibility for what he said and instead lay it off on Fox's favorite boogeywoman, beyond me.

As for the rest, i've already addressed that.

Did Saddam play games with us? Sure did.
Did Saddam butcher his own people? Sure did.
So have many others, Darfur ring a bell, and we didn't invade them. More to the point that was not the reason overwhelmingly cited in the transcripts I provided links to. Mushroom clouds of WMDs was far and away the main selling point, and at best his administration knew that evidence was weak and did not say so when they presented it. I guess, like little boys stealing cookies they hoped they would not get caught. But we don't need little boys with no accountability for leaders we need men.

Or a kick-ass women.

I'd vote for Elizabeth any day! She kicked ass on those cleans! I am embarrassed for my form.

8:48

Did this with 65#. Actually felt good. Definitely move up weight next time. Good progress for me.

1st time with Grace
As rx'd 2:52
Felt really good and smooth. Next time video to make sure push jerk not press. Group workout lots of energy.

He does accept responsibility. He is working to finish what he started.

What are you doing, other than insulting your President in a time of war, implying our soldiers are fighting an unworthy cause, pretending that the evidence that Saddam was interesting in developing WMD's--as Sen. Clinton claimed, in perfect congruence with what Bush claimed--was anything other than overwhelming, and just generally being a nuisance without adding content?

Where did I lay anything off, btw, on Hillary? I am arguing that the consensus view, the reason Congress authorized the use of force, was that there was every indication that Saddam either had or was working to get, WMD's, starting with biological (nearly undetectable), chemical, and then nuclear?

You are being intentionally obtuse and revisionist. I am showing you history, and you are reacting by ignoring the obvious evidence in front of your face. If you want to insult the president, look in a mirror first.

"implying our soldiers are fighting an unworthy cause"

A person's honorable choice to become a soldier does not immediately imply that they will only fight in just and well chosen wars.

135 pound Clean and Jerk, 30 reps (subbed 95#, power clean, push press kind of thing, a la the videos)

Time: untimed. Did this with my son, David 15, who did 70#. He liked it.

#517, Prole,

"Thank you for answering my questions by restating them, and concluding them with periods instead of question marks. You've given me a lot to think about."

In (#406)I answered your three questions (#386)with yes-no answers.

"The quality of the men and women who make up America's military is not at issue. I have no contempt for their mental state. I have no way of knowing what it is, and I have a difficult time imagining there is only one."

You clearly have contempt for those who believe that the US is the greatest nation in the world. You wrote the following (#386): "Serious concern over the US being the greatest among nations is bordering on pathological to me."

Since most members of the military do, in fact, believe that the US is the greatest nation in the world, I wrote (#406):

"This country exists because countless "pathological" members of the US military have been willing to die so that you and they might live in country where people like you can still be free to express your contempt for their mental state."

Have I somehow misconstrued your position, and if so, how?

#515, Randy,

I understand how you have interpreted the data, and I will not try to keep up with all the links. I will simply state that I do not find any of what you have provided to reach the threshold of proving that the president presented info that he knew to be false. I believe that Bush, like virtually every other US politician at the time, believed that the totality of the information supported the conclusion that Iraq had or was close to developing WMD.

In general, I believe that all presidents are patriots, and all do what they believe to be in the best interests of the country. They are right or wrong to varying degrees, but I do not believe that any president outright lies about matters of this magnitude. Presidents sometimes face great risks in not acting. And presidents rarely have perfect information.

I understand that you feel this was a matter so serious that the president should have been 100% positive (and have 0% risk of being wrong). I disagree, because I think the risk of being, say, 99% positive and not acting is too great.

In my (oversimplified) example, if someone pulls what looks like a gun on a police officer, that police officer needs to act, even if there is a small probability that the gun is not loaded and/or not even a gun. The potential consequences of not acting are simply to great.

This is why the congress (after viewing the same information available to the president) authorized the president to use military force. The congress has the luxury of now changing its mind. The president has the ultimate responsibility, and it is clear that he is being held accountable, as well he should.

Hari,

I respect your opinion, and how you arrived at it even though I do not share your conclusions. My main sticking points are that the evidence he presented was not gathered to inform or impact the decision that they had already made, but rather to affect public and congressional opinion. The evidence they had was not just 99% not sure but completely suspect so much so that Tenet had scratched it from speeches three months earlier, knowing it to be based on forgeries, only to have it reinserted into the State of Union speech. This is disengenuous at best. In both cases the administration did not level with the American People or Congress and stated evidence they knew to be very weak as a "slam dunk" certitude.

No commander ever has 100% certainty of the intelligence they receive which makes it all the more important that the sources of such info be allowed to collect and process the information without bias or fear of retribution if the results do not match the intended policy. This would be the equivalent of a General having his scouts shot because he did not like where they told him the enemy was. Not just immoral but ineffective as well.
The difference I have with your analogy is that this was not a snap decision made in the heat of the moment, but a deliberate action taken over several months and JUSTIFIED to us based on intel they knew to be either wrong or very weak.

Accountability, as I know it, is a little more specific version of responsibility, it requires consequences for failure. No one in the administration has suffered consequences, indeed they have been rewarded for their repeated failures. I agree that congress is culpable in this endeavor as well, but we have one comander in chief and it was based largely on the good word of the OFFICE of the President that we went to war.

Again, I respect your views and find it refreshing that reasonable people can disagree on controversial topics without resorting to name calling, and other disparagements.

Barry - "If Hillary was convinced,how can you lay this thing at Bush's feet" very easily, he is the president and he said those things. Your words Barry your words.

Like I said before accountability requires consequences, there have been none for the administration, only awards and adoration from you and Fox. Others have suffered the consequences. This is not manhood. And kicking the war down the road to the next President is not taking responsibility for your failures.

Please read Previous quotes about criticizing a President during a time of war by T. Roosevelt. Pretty smart guy. And here are some of your Fox friends doing the same!

"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo." Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?" Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." Governor George W. Bush (R-TX

"You can support the troops but not the president" Representative Tom Delay (R-TX

"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ... who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton." Michael Savage

"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation." Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)

"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy." Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

Was that too obtuse for you? Oh that's right Obtuse means wide and general whereas I have provided specific links and references.

Revisionist? Well that would imply that I have the ability to revise transcripts on Wiki and Hack into the DoD mainframe and do the same.

Garsh, I'm flattered, but none so skilled.

And I don't look a thing like Bush, hopefully after a few months of CrossFit though I'll be in at least as good a shape!

as rxd
10.30 first time for this wod

21/M/209/6'0''

Grace as rx'd: 8:43

note: Only one power clean, all jerks were push-jerks

Sacrificed weight to focus on form. Was still a gasser.
65LBS. x 30
5:36

cfwu x 2
95x6
95x6
115x6
115x6
115x3
115x3
25ish minutes

39/m/190

cfwu x 3

last time - 30 reps of hang power clean and jerk with 95# in 4:26

this time - 30 reps of power clean and jerk with 115# in 9:58

13:36

28/m/165/5.9

You have a talent, Randy: a talent for misdirection and obfuscation. You are ignoring the obvious fact that Saddam Hussein played games with our weapons inspectors. What should we conclude, Randy, when someone with a demonstrated past history of developing and using WMD's commits in writing to allow us to inspect facilities where we suspect he is continuing R&D, and then breaks his word? Not once, but repeatedly. Why did Clinton order a cruise missile strike on him, Randy? Was that not an aggressive act? Was that not, so to speak, an act of war?

You are sunk so deep in this cynical, childish, and churlish need to justify yourself that you are ignoring fully the larger context, the history, and common sense to make large points based on inconsequential details.

Tenet is a revisionist. He may or may not have told Bush to remove that part of the text, but I have no doubt he made the slam dunk comment because that is in fact what everybody on both sides of the aisle--I have cited Hillary's views on the matter--believed. His book is an ex post facto rationalization for his failures.

Barry 518:

I don't understand. Yes, I think it is better to be right than wrong. What is right and what is wrong? I can't believe you meant by that statement that "It is better to be pro-American foreign policy than anti-American foreign policy". If you did, then you made my point, that by making the US equivalent to "right", you are praying to your God, which is the United States.

Hari 529:

I'm saying that a statment like: "the USA is the best nation on earth" is a non-stater. The barriers in the way to verifying or falsifying it are too great. To use this belief (I'd call it a faith) as the basis for action, is to stand in relation to your nation as someone else does to her religion. You are an American missionary. If you say: "I like institution X and institution Y, (etc.)" then you are on much more rational ground, and you have a basis for discussion with someone who lives in a nation that you are tying to reshape in you own image (the image you have of that image that you understand to be real).

11:30 as rx'd

"There's no reason for the United States to remain. The American people want them home. I beleive the majority of Congress wants them home. Our continued military presence allows another situation to arise, which could lead then to the wounding, killing or capture of American fighting men and women. We should do all in our power to avoid that. What should be the criteria is our immediate and orderly withdrawal. And if we do not do thatand other Americans die the I say 'that the responsibilities for that lie with the congress who did not excerise their authority under the Constitution. For us to get into nation-building, law and order, etc, I think, is a tragic and terrible mistake." - Sen. John McCain (R-Arizon) on the Senate floor in 1993 after President Clinton sent troops into Somalia.

I don't remember people calling John McCain unpatriotic for his views then. I don't recall people saying he was "not supporting the troops." McCain even used the word "withdrawl", yet he was not called 'weak.' Why has the system changed in just 14 years where those apposed to war are viewed as unpatriotic and not supporting our troops?

Prole,

When you hear the word Good, what does it mean to you? What does it mean to be right? What position do you affirm, positively? What do you believe?

Mark,

Do you not see any differences between Somalia and Iraq?

Using 2 bars for the 4 of us...

AL & JJ working on form:
108 lbs; sets of 5 to 30

Ryan & Taylor also working on form:
65 lbs; ryan 10,5,5,5,5
Taylor 10, 10, 5, 5

9:08 with 95# and full squat cleans and push jerks

Barry,

When I hear the word 'Good' I think of people I know and have known, or know of. That is because they are real, tangible; they are bundles of decisions and attributes that are situated in a context providing a basis for making a judgment about whether they are Good or not.

You can't simple say: "X is good". Where does 'X' sit, what is X doing, who is X doing it for. Goodness does not exist in a vacuum. I could say something like: "Goodness is liberty, or justice, or equality." But really that gets me nowhere. Then I'd have to answer: "When I hear the word "liberty" what do I think of?" It goes on an on (not a bad intellectual exercise though) without getting down to: what do you need to do in situation 'X' to be good? And that is where so much of the work needs to be done. I'd have to answer the question: "what is the situation?" That's what you and Randy have been disagreeing about - what the situation is.

But you're sensible enough to allow the 'situation' guide your moral judgment. Once you decide what the situation is, then you will evaluate it (I hope that's the process you've gone through). What I object to is the conviction (expressed overtly or implicitly)by some, that what matters is not the situation, but WHO is acting.

If U.S. then Good. If not U.S. then Bad. The only way to deal with someone with that conviction is through violence. That person cannot be negotiated with, she is as deaf as the religious fundamentalist. The US has become Achilles, (the World Trade Centre its Patrocles), and so the world must endure destruction until it blind raging is over.

Barry - I don't think expecting a President to act with integrity and accountability is a minor detail.

I have been very specific in providing links to relevant and believable sources, most of them direct quotes and transcripts, all of them cited extensively. You have refuted none of my points but yet again launch into a personal attack against me, with more name calling, labelling, and generalizations.

We could have had a reasonable exchange of differing viewpoints. You choose the schoolyard approach of calling your opponent names.

That pretty much tells me everything I need to know not only about the veracity of your arguments, but your own insecurity in your position.

In closing:

Nanny Nanny boo boo, I am rubber and you are glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.

That more to your liking?

CFWUx3
7:18 with 115lbs.
on base at lunch
34yom/170lbs

one hour of yoga
then 115lb x 30 6:39

9:06. About 2.5 minutes slower than last time. Just didn't have it today, probably from 3 days of camping with bad nutrition. Oh well.

9:27 as Rx'd 2 min. slower than in Aug. Ughh

95 pounds
5.51

5:38 as Rx'd w/95 lbs.

Next time it's the big boy's weight. Had fun doing this one (really!)

Jennie got in her first "Grace" today
26/5'9/160#

mile run, cfwu, technique and skill work, then...

70# (power)Clean & Jerk, 30 reps
time = 8:48

she had no problems handling this. we can definitely up the weight and the intensity next time.

post: row 2k
me = 8:42
Jennie = 9:11

5:35 as Rx'd w/95 lbs.

Next time it's gonna be 135lbs. I actually had fun doing this one. (Really!)

Barry, I know that there are differences between Somalia and Iraq, the point I was making is that today McCain and other Republicans paint the picture that withdrawal is a sign of weakness and that if you are opposed to this current strategy then you are not supporting the troops. It is obvious that McCain didn't think withdrawing US forces in '93 was a sign of weakness and he certainly didn't think he was not supporting the troops then. And like I said before did Sean Hanity and Rush Limbaugh call him unpatriotic and 'wanting America to fail?' No, they didn't. They supported his position and didn't want us in Somalia either. The scary reality of the mess that if the Iraq War was Al Gore's war rather GWB's, McCain and the rest of the red party would be apposed to the war and wanting our troops to come home immediately. And like Teddy said to blindly support a president not matter what is not only unpatriotic, it is morally wrong.

I also don't see how we can support democracy in one country yet back dictators in another (Saudi Arabia). Everyone should know by now the reason why we haven't done a thing to the country where 9 of the 13 9/11 hi-jackers were from is because big-wig American oil men (i.e. Bush and Cheney) have a billion dollar relationship with them.

It's funny though, as soon as it was clear that there were no WMD in Iraq the 'slogan' of the war changed. We were all of a sudden liberators of Iraq rather than 'protecting our national security.' Invading a country to liberate it from its current government goes against every doctrine in the constitution and further writings of the founders of this country. Yet for some reason we have accepted this seriously flawed policy. We now will be in Iraq for years, years, years and years. And for what? Bin Laden and the Taliban are safe and unthreatened on the Afghan/Pakistan border and our troops are in Iraq? Tell me how this is logical? Tell me how this makes us safer? Tell me how this defeats terrorism in the middle east? I don't see it.

Plus, how am I as an American supposed to back a president who has benefited financially from this war. Ray Hunt of Hunt Oil was Bush's second largest contributor for his '04 campaign and currently sits on his Foreign Relations board. Who just signed a billion dollar oil deal with the Kurds? That's right HUNT OIL. The owner of Blackwater, was Bush's third largest contributor to his '04 campaign and they got a million dollar no-bid contract to supply security to Americans in the green-zone. And judging by recent news stories Blackwater doesn't seem to be doing so good. And don't forget the fact that Halliburton’s stock has tripled since the war started and actually overcharged the US military and government while they have been there. They have since moved their national headquarters to the United Arab Emerits to avoid legal action.

This is what the Bush Administration has allowed to happen in Iraq. And I didn't even bring up the Pat Tillman case or the Jessica Lynch fibbed rescue propaganda story.

Barry do you see why I could have a problem supporting this president and his policies? Could you understand why I would question the decisions he and others in his administration have made?

I love my country and believe our brave soldiers deserve better. They deserve a better plan for Iraq...they deserve a better commander in chief.

#539, Prole,

"I'm saying that a statment like: "the USA is the best nation on earth" is a non-stater. The barriers in the way to verifying or falsifying it are too great."

An objective measure of the relative greatness of any one country relative to all others is the net per capita flow of emmigrants from that country to all others compared to per capita flow from all others to that country.

Every country in the world that allows its people to vote with its feet has a far higher percentage of its population wishing to leave there for here than we have wishing to leave here for there.

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21/220
wod as rx'd
4:45
(toward the end some were right into the jerk, but most were done right)

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Mark,

Those are all old rhetorical memes. First off, piling things up does not distract me, at any rate, from the topic at hand: regardless of how we got there, we are there now, and failure will be directly against our interest, against the interest of the Iraqis, and in my view morally wrong. You are ignoring this, while calling for a better plan.

I regularly call our to the universe for me to become wealthy without work, but it just never seems to happen. If you have a better plan, don't offer it in the abstract, lay it on the table so we can see it.

Is there a better firm than Halliburton at what they do? Have you ever even bothered to ask this question? Have you investigated the contracts let by the Clinton Administration, relative to their donors? The Chinese appear to have had some money in the pot, and lo and behold we had a major leak at Los Alamos. Conspiracy theories work for some people, but they are bottomless, and until someone can provide cause and effect rather than polemically oriented innuendo, I ignore them.

What should we do with the Saudis? Invade them? Stop buying oil from them, and prevent anyone else from buying oil from them? You are describing a problem without offering a solution, or even pausing to consider if there is a solution, or that possibly we are already working in a backroom fashion on that solution. You don't know. You don't care to know. It's not necessary in the pursuit of complaint, rather than solution.

And what is the nature of this Billion dollar relationship? Neither Bush nor Cheney are billionaires. You are no doubt alluding to some innuendo or other. Link it, and we can look at it together.

You state "Invading a country to liberate it from its current government goes against every doctrine in the constitution ". Whic doctrine does it go against? There are a lot of doctrines in the Constitution. I've read it multiple times. The Amendments especially are very interesting. Surely it can't be all of them. Specifically which ones do you have in mind?

How does Ray Hunt's contract benefit Bush financially? My read on that very simply is no other contractors wanted to touch Iraq with a ten foot pole. You put your stuff there, you invest a ton of money and boom, it's gone. Sorry about your luck. It would be more than a little like investing in Venezuela, except that he just steals your stuff, and Al Queda demolishes it, along with kidnapping, torturing, and killing anyone they can. I don't know what you know about business, but that's not the sort of scenario most successful capitalists look for.

Blackwater: who should be doing this? Who is the firm that would be better able to deliver what they deliver? We may well find out soon. Perhaps you already have the inside scoop though.

No, I don't see why you have a problem. From where I am sitting you have swallowed uncritically every smear leveled by the Left against every member of this Administration, without critical thought, and without looking to the future, to the solution of this problem.

Leftists love to compile long lists of alleged wrong-doings of everyone who is out there making decisions. They do this because this is all they can do. They have no affirmative ideas, since they believe nothing except that we should all live in peace, and that if everyone would just be nice this would happen. If people aren't nice, the arguments--as we saw in the Howard Zinn interview a couple of weeks ago--get thin to the point of invisibility in a New York heartbeat. Zinn was unable to unequivocally defend our intervention in Europe in WW2. He stated he had something on the order of mixed feelings, but agreed with the general statement that all wars are wrong. They are wrong because innocents die.

If innocents are going to die either way, though, he doesn't seem to have anything to add to the discussion other than perfection is the goal, and imperfection is evil.

Do you?

115 pounds.

7:40

long way from my best, but I was working pretty hard nonetheless.

Hari,

#556

Canada, Australia and Saudi Arabia take in nearly double the amount of immigrants that the US does on a per capita annual basis. Germany, Ukraine, France are about equal with the US on a per capita basis. Does that mean the Ukraine is as good a place to live as the US, that Saudi Arabia is better? I would think not. Places like Canada and Australia might be though. Would you consider that, or dismiss it out of hand as unpatriotic and therefore false?

You wrote:

"An objective measure of the relative greatness of any one country relative to all others is the net per capita flow of emmigrants from that country to all others compared to per capita flow from all others to that country."

You're right, that would be one of many objective measures. Others might be life-expectancy, literacy rates, rates of incarceration, income disparity. Why an immigrant would choose the US over other destinations might be affected by a number of factors with little relevance to how great the US is is - proximity, porousness of its border, ease of integration into an underground economy.

Barry

You have a teetering castle of cards. You are wise to live in a place where the wind never blows.

You wrote: "Leftists love to compile long lists of alleged wrong-doings of everyone who is out there making decisions. They do this because this is all they can do. They have no affirmative ideas, since they believe nothing except that we should all live in peace, and that if everyone would just be nice this would happen. If people aren't nice, the arguments--as we saw in the Howard Zinn interview a couple of weeks ago--get thin to the point of invisibility in a New York heartbeat. Zinn was unable to unequivocally defend our intervention in Europe in WW2. He stated he had something on the order of mixed feelings, but agreed with the general statement that all wars are wrong. They are wrong because innocents die."

What is this but an exclamation that one who disagrees with you is unpatriotic, and unpatriotic becasue she disagrees with you? It's like a believer who attempts to prove the existence of her God by pointing at her bible.

Barry, why do call me a leftist? How do you know who I voted for? Who I support. Because I challenge George Bush I am a leftist? Nice. Well, you are wrong. I voted for George Bush and I am a registered republican and if I had to vote today I would vote for Ron Paul.

Non-preventive or a non-intervention policy is the foundation of this country. Dwight D. Eisenhower even said so.

"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."

If you want to focus on the future, let us do that. We have trained over 100,000 Iraqi troops...why are they not doing the majority of the fighting? Our men and women are fighting in the streets of Iraq while their own government goes on a month vacation.

Here is a plan I support. Give the Iraqi government 18 benchmarks to meet, oh wait we did that and they met 1. Okay well, how about we make those 18 benchmarks mean something. They need to take control of their country. We need to have a Iraq summit, where all parties sit down in a locked room and all their issues are resolved so that their political process can begin. We also need to make them get an oil revenue sharing plan established, but when Hunt Oil came in they kindof hurt the chances of that.

Our strategy needs to change to one of a diplomatic leader in their political struggle, rather than a security force. Their army, which we trained needs to start taking the lead.

Then, how about hunting down the man responsible for 9/11? Does that sound like a good idea? I think if we committed 100,000 troops to the Afghan/Pakistan border that might do the trick.

Also, Haliburton is under investigation for over charging the US government for their duties in Iraq and for unfairly being awarded no-bid contracts, meanwhile their stock has tripled. Cheney has a multi-million dollar retirement with them. You don't think there is a conflict of self-interest there?

here is the link you asked for:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6358641/

I don't care what Clinton may have done, that was then...this is today! "we are there now" remember?, and this is happening right now! I don't care who you are or what your position is what the Bush administration is doing for their friends in Iraq is WRONG!

Hunt oil deal: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20920354/site/newsweek/

As for our country being founded on non-intervention here is what Thomas Jefferson wrote:

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."

"Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government."

I'm sure you diagree with me. And that is okay, I can live with that. Barry, I wish you a good day and I think we both can agree that debate and discussion of these things is a good, no great right that we have in this country.

#560, Prole,

"Canada, Australia and Saudi Arabia take in nearly double the amount of immigrants that the US does on a per capita annual basis. Germany, Ukraine, France are about equal with the US on a per capita basis. Does that mean the Ukraine is as good a place to live as the US, that Saudi Arabia is better? I would think not. Places like Canada and Australia might be though. Would you consider that, or dismiss it out of hand as unpatriotic and therefore false?"

The relevant statistic is not the number of immigrants, but the number of emmigrants. All the countries you listed lose a larger percentage of their population to the US than we lose to them.

If any of your alternate criteria were truly measures of a country's greatness, those countries that rate highly in those areas ought to have a higher flow of people into them than out of them. What countries are you thing of?

For the record, I could care less whether you are patriotic or not. Your arguments should stand on fall on their own merits.

4:30 as Rx'd

Charity-
4:56
PC & PJ

23/m/170#

Grace's pinky finger:
30 cleans, 135lb (i'm an idiot and forgot the jerks)

5:40

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22/148

WOD as rx'd @ 135

9:48

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Mark,

Out of curiosity: why did you vote for Bush? What did you like in him? Obviously, if this is true, you liked something in him more than you liked in Kerry. What was it? Did you vote for him twice? Has his performance in office--cutting taxes, working to reduce corporate regulatory burdens, aggressive foreign policy--somehow been different than what you were led to expect?

With respect to your links, I'll take them one at a time:

Halliburton: ". . Bunny's job was to make sure that small businesses and minority owned businesses could compete for contracts".

Out of idle curiosity: have you ever done any contracting? As a vendor, have you ever gone through a bidding process with the government in an amount over $100,000? I have, and I can tell you that these procedures are oriented not around the best value, but the lowest price, and that minority owned firms get extra "points" for being minorities, and small businesses get extra "points" for being small. Do we want the contract to go to the right company, or to the most politically correct company? If I had been Bunny's supervisor, I likely would have done the same thing without a shred of remorse. These purchasing procedures are imbecilic, and manifestly prejudicial.

With respect to overbilling, this happens with all companies. All GC's will, on small items, work to increase their bottom lines, since they get the poop beat out of them in the up-front negotiating process. A great many long term, successful GC's will submit bids they know are lower than their costs, knowing that they can make up the difference with Change Orders. This is the way the real world works. You are just looking for a "Contractor-Industrial Complex" where there is none. You are implying, I think, that mistakes on the part of Halliburton somehow imply the war was about building latrines. This is a great argument for the chronically hysterical and anti-business folks who are outside the business world and don't know how it works. Doesn't work for me.

Your plan for Iraq is "We need to have a Iraq summit, where all parties sit down in a locked room and all their issues are resolved so that their political process can begin."

We need to talk. How could I have missed that? You need to send this proposal to your Congressperson to forward to the front-line Generals, notably Petraeus. No doubt this solution has failed to occur to anyone but you. You may just save the day.

With respect to Hunt Oil, I've already commented on this. No oil companies are currently willing to invest in the Sunni or Shiite areas because the pipelines and infrastructure are getting blown up regularly, and employees who don't have a small militia of Blackwater guards around them get kidnapped and killed. Hunt may make a lot of money there, but he is also doing Bush a favor. Most of the oil is in the Shiite areas, in any event. Since that is the lion's share of potential revenue, what Hunt does in the Kurd areas has no effect on this.

Again, you are looking for a boogey man. There are obviously areas where there is shared interest--Bush's interest in some oil money flowing to someone, and Hunt's in making money in the process--but there is nothing inherently nefarious about this except for people who are tempermentally opposed to the fact that our system is oriented around making profits following investments. Would it have been better if American public money had been used for that development? Would it have been better if a French company had been chosen? How? Bush has pull over Hunt, who will work with him politically as needed.

Prole,

You must be young or exceptionally naive. There is this moment--for the brighter folks in the last year or two of high school, for other the first year or two of college--where you are taught this idea that "I am me because you are you." We define ourselves as a culture--so this story goes--in contradistinction to the mysterious Other. And politically, we rally the faithful solely and only by demonizing those we don't understand.

Continued, this doctrine leads to the conclusion that all such pairings are inherently flawed. To take an, oh, random example, let's say there is this philosophy called Markianism. Let's say in this doctrine there is this group called the Werkers, and this group called the Captains.

Well, the Captains own everything, and they always tell the Werkers what to do. To distract the Werkers, they concoct reasons to fight other Werkers in other countries. Cleverly, the Captains set up a conference call in which they all smoke cigars, and are fat and ugly, and laugh really mean laughs, and are not nice to their puppy dogs, and sometimes even kill butterflies, and they set up this call and they say: we want to have a war, you in? And of course the Captains in the other country say, sure, why not? We all make money, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha. Then they hang up and claim that someone is doing something evil--it doesn't matter what--and that if you oppose them you are unpatriotic. Now, none of the Werkers want to be unpatriotic, so they fight the war, and the Captains get fatter, and the Werkers get dead.

Obviously, this can mean only one thing: there is no such thing as being unpatriotic, since the system is fundamentally corrupt, and oriented only around the Captains. Thus, the fact that one hates ones country and consistently supports policies which will manifestly result in decreased security, increased Werker dead, and the amplification of existing evils overseas, is spun to be patiotic. Only the patriotic people, we are told, can be unpatriotic, and people who expect others to be patriotic are unpatriotic.

And of course, War is Peace, and Hate is love.

It's all there. It's so simple.

38/f/139

My first Grace, used 55lbs

8:17

120 lbs

10:58

Barry,

I voted for Bush in 2000 when he ran on a limited foriegn policy, cutting taxes and limited government. I supported going after the Taliban and Bin Laden, but once he turned his direction to Iraq I got very serious case of naseau. Invading a country that didn't attack us, that has no ties to bin Laden was not what I voted for. To me their was no justification. Also, I have always beleived that if the president wants to send troops into a country he needs to declare war and the congress needs to vote on it...this is what the constitution tells us needs to take place. I didn't care about the UN resolutions...I wanted those who attacked us on 9/11 to either be killed or be brought to justice and he has failed to do that. Meanwhile, in 2000 he got my vote because he promised a smaller government and a conservative spending approach. When he took office their is was a surplus and now he can wire tap anyone in the country without a warrant. Today we are nine trillion dollars in debt and have borrowed three billion from the Chinese. For me that is not the conservative approach to government I voted for.

I did not vote for him in '04 soley because of the Iraq invasion.

As far as the Halliburton and Hunt Oil things go...this type of thing really bothers me. It may not bother you and that is fine. However, I don't want corporate interests to be influencing policy. Why was Ray Hunt on Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board? Ray Hunt is not the average business man in America. He is a Bush insider. He has given thousands of dollars to the Bush family and he just used his inside position to strike a deal with the Kurds that many see as undermining the Iraq government's progress toward peace between the tribes.

And for Halliburton to overcharge USA taxpayers is WRONG. I don't care what business approach you may favor...it is WRONG. In fact, it is unpatriotic to do that. And when their own lawyer says that they unfairly received these contracts...I have a problem with that.

Lastly, I reject your sarcasm to my Iraq approach. "We need to talk." "You may just save the day." Even Bush and Petraerus have said that there is no military solution to the Iraq War. So where is the diplomatic surge? Like I said, they need to lock everyone in a room and get their issues resolved...rather than allowing them to go on a month vacation while our soldiers are doing all the work in the streets.

This will be my last post Barry. I have enjoyed the discussions and debate. Have a good day.

9:30

Scaled down to 65 lbs, 30 reps

time: 4:31

Next time I'll try 95 lbs

M/49/5'10"/175 lbs

11:37
95lbs
Hr162
Hr173

last time was 19:40

this time as r'xd 10:34

was suprised.

36/M/200

CFWUx3

As Rx'd - 12:11

First time with this WOD - liked it & definitely needed the practice for C&J.

bw: 139lbs

clean & jerk 115lbs x 30
time: 12min 30s

as rxd
8:37

modified (2) 50lb db
4:30
form so-so

modified (2) 50lb db form so so
4:30

10:23

13.22
As rxd.

cfwux2 + 5x45#c&j

95# Grace (10,5,5,5,5)
8:24
2 mins slower than last time - 1st w/o after week off at the river

65#
17/8/5
5:42

Age 36
BW 183

CFWU 2x15

7:32 vs 8:41 last time

10:37 with 105#

10 pounds heavier, 3 minutes slower -- bad trade. Shoulders were the weak point.

Age 45/m/167 lbs

Grace As Rx'd
30 135lb Clean & Jerk
8:06

39 M 172

As Rx'd (1st time @ 135#) - 16:35

Putting the bar back on the ground in control is tough. I was down to sets of 2 by the end. Probably could have shaved a minute with bumper plates. :-)

9:15 last time
This time Grace PR 6:59 as Rx'd
powerclean with split jerk

(done 9/26/07 after a rest day & Diane two days ago)
21:58 as rx'd...HR avg 164 max 175
All squat cleans. Jerks mixed between split and not. First time doing 135#. Started w/ 4 reps, then 2's until the last few as singles.

38/M/195--Syracuse NY

As Rx'd: 4:52 (PR) (7:07 last time)

************************ 09/25

Sub'd wgt. at 115:

21:15

run 800 meters outside

first time doing this exercise. Just started with broom stick 30 reps and focused on form.

scaled to 40kg

6.34

070812 11:09
070921 12:22

Did this 27/9/07

F/40/149lbs

30kg/66lbs, 7:20

6:10 at 95 lbs

45, 5'11", 193lbs
-cfwu x 1
-grace @ 17:23
-sub 95lbs for 135lbs
-sub multiple sets of 2 or 3 reps
-full cleans to deep squat every rep
-split jerk to lockout every rep
-this was brutal; could have done it a little faster, but not much

oops, that was 14:23 above. still wimpy but 3 mins faster.

32/M/5'9"/198

11:25

6:11

135 => 10 + 6
lowered weight
115 => 14

CFWUx2 (9 PM after Mitch's practice)
Burgener warmup
12:22
Set watch for 25 second intervals, did 1 rep per interval, 2 in 29th. That's my best time yet!
Trying setting at 23 second intervals next time...

Grace 6:21....improvement of 1 min 23 seconds. Brought the XO, SPO, and Chaplain out for first Fran ever. Quite a wake up for them:-)

Sept. 24
subbed 115#, from floor
10:34

Form improving; still finding rack position uncomfortable and transition from rack to jerk very difficult/weak/awkward

40/78.5kg/11.4%
50*60kg 5:55. PR.

29/m/200

8:17 as rxd

cfwu

then

8 with 132 pd
22 with 110 pd
total time about 20 min

28/m/215

7:35 125

CFWU x 1
Then 11:18 as Rx'd. Failed on #29; had to stop and recover, then finish last two.

34yo 183# M

95#, 6:58. Surprising how much this one made me pant.

3:58 as rx'd
Well rx'd if power cleans and acceptable. Will try again with full squat clean. Expect at least 1 min difference if not more.

5:01 as rxd
5 sets of 6
AJonusas.. power cleans are ok for GRACE as are push jeks, push presses, or split jerks.only requirement is ...FROM THE GROUND TO OVERHEAD FULL LOCKOUT.

30/M/200

Bike to gym

CFWU x 2

Pre: Deadlifts

"Grace"

subbed 155lbs

10:25

almost a minute faster, every rep was a full squat clean (power cleans last time)

Post: Row 5K

32/m/165

95lb power clean, push press.
5:27

squat cleans, more weight next time.

43/m/165

As Rx
6:24

PR

35 min bike
30 cleans - 135 (9:05) 5 sets of 6
35 min bike
30 snatch - 5 sets of 6 -45/65/85/85/95

CFWUx3
used 95 lbs
18:35

6'2" 185 31

As rx'd powercleans/pushpress&split jerk)

5:20

5 reps at 95#
5 reps at 115#
20 reps at 135#
Tried to use the best form possible.
About 25 minutes

23:11
Subbed Hang clean for clean because of hip injury
115 lbs.

4:01 as rx'd

(my buddy did it under three minutes after us..very impressive)

WOD @135 for 13min

5'10/174/M/43 (44 in April)
95# @ 5:31

Brand new at Crossfit - since Jan 4. But My Form Sucks. Sigh.

7.oo as required

22:49
95 lbs. x 20
pretty good form