September 21, 2007

Friday 070921

"Grace"

135 pound Clean and Jerk, 30 reps

Use 95 pounds, 65 pounds or broomstick as needed and post time and load to comments.

Compare to 070812.

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Tenacious D


"No small part of the CrossFit revolution is to establish what we call "evidence based fitness" - where meaningful assertions about fitness programs are focused on safety, efficacy, and efficiency bolstered by measurable, observable, and repeatable human performance data. Where we're successful, work capacity will reign supreme and markers like V02 max, lactate threshold, and heart rate will rightfully be seen as performance correlates valued solely in proportion to their contribution to programming changes that advance performance."

- Greg Glassman


Deadlift Alignment Part 2, Mark Rippetoe, author of "Starting Strength" - video [wmv] [mov]

Posted by lauren at September 21, 2007 5:48 PM
Comments

Gonna do this one slow and methodical, full range. Screw time, I want form to be perfect.

Comment #1 - Posted by: Angry G at September 20, 2007 6:53 PM

get em' heckle the hippies freedom of speech goes both ways

Comment #2 - Posted by: patfleming at September 20, 2007 6:54 PM

That picture is AWESOME!

Comment #3 - Posted by: Mike G_CFATL at September 20, 2007 6:58 PM

coach stole my quote

Comment #4 - Posted by: cjonnyrun at September 20, 2007 7:05 PM

Was that flick taken on k Street DC ?

Comment #5 - Posted by: SethBD at September 20, 2007 7:11 PM

Rest for tournament this weekend. Will do CFWU.

Comment #6 - Posted by: Tom B at September 20, 2007 7:22 PM

Last time we did this I got my first ever rotator cuff injury! I'm at about 95% and am going to do this tomorrow, but am a bit scared. Might have to scale.

Comment #7 - Posted by: Brent at September 20, 2007 7:27 PM

Thanks, Lauren, for posting the picture. I just happened to be wearing that shirt and my girlfriend captured it. Perfect. That was a trying day for sure. We gave as good as we got. ANSWER is trying to say that they had 100,000 protesters there, but if they had 10,000 I'd be surprised.

We were part of the "Gathering of Eagles." We had about 2,000 there. It was sad that the "counter-protest" was the American flag. The only American flags the protesters carried were upside-down. Sad.

Since I've been home I sincerely find it difficult to understand why it's so hard for people to understand the nature of this enemy we're fighting and that they do not want peace. If we pull out now, that doesn't change a thing. They want to kill us all.

I was probably at an all-time low after the protest because I just couldn't come to grips with how disgusting what I saw at the protest was. I really wondered if it was worth fighting for. I've even considered getting out of the military after almost 15 years of honorable service and four tours overseas.

Then a new day dawned and I remembered something Ben Franklin said. All his years he spent staring at a chair in the newly formed Congress' chambers. This chair had a partially showing sun on the horizon. He often wondered if that sun was rising or setting.

After the tumultuous process of forming our Constitution he was certain that it was a rising sun he saw on that chair and that was a metaphor for the birth of our new nation. Our best days were ahead.

I sincerely believe that our best days are ahead, but we all must have something to believe in. It's all how we look at things. Either we're the greatest country in the world and we exist as a light to a dark world, or we're pawns of a neo-con agenda that wants to control the world's resources and let corporations buy them wholesale. Are we freeing more people than any other nation in the history of the world or are we creating more terrorists than ever existed before?

What do you believe? I have hope that we are the good guys and that there is something greater at work in this world. I've met so many Gold Star families and I can't help but tear up when I hear them talk about their fallen. If their sacrifices were in vain then I don't know what to believe in anymore. I will not let their sacrifices be in vain nor should any of you.

So as I watched these miserable creatures who have no chance of being free if not for the exertions of better men then themselves stumble by, I implored them to enjoy their freedom of speech...COURTESY OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY!!

Thanks, Coach,

-Dennis

Comment #8 - Posted by: tenacious "D" at September 20, 2007 7:30 PM

Just finished my first week of crossfit and still getting used to it; probably going to scale it down to 95 lbs to keep up good form.

Comment #9 - Posted by: Brad at September 20, 2007 7:31 PM

Tenacious D, I have been posting here for over a year, and up to now, had no idea who you were...you sum up the conflict that I and many others have inside themselves, that decision that we have to make...what do we believe? You make your argument succinctly, and I happen to agree with you, if for no other reason than that I don't want to consider the alternative if we are wrong...as for you personally, thank you for everything that you have done, and continue to do. You have my utmost respect, and I cannot fathom the courage and bravery that it takes to do your job. Carry on.

Comment #10 - Posted by: layman at September 20, 2007 7:35 PM

Well spoken, D. I cant speak for all USAF, but i am behind you 100% and I feel your strife. I worked in DC for five years, so this pic really hits home.

I think I will use some of the motivation I feel now for Grace tomorrow.

Comment #11 - Posted by: AMLove21 at September 20, 2007 7:37 PM

Are these split jerks or standard push jerks? In the clean & jerk demo on the site is done with a split jerk following a full clean. The video simply marked 'jerk' has splits, and the video marked 'push jerk' is standard foot position. Which one should I use for grace?

Comment #12 - Posted by: Allan at September 20, 2007 7:43 PM

Tenacious D - nice comment, that pretty much says it all...I don't know what branch you're in, but I'll give you a hearty SEMPER FI from this former Marine. Stay hard, and keep charging.

Comment #13 - Posted by: FireSmac at September 20, 2007 7:45 PM

Full squat cleans? Or power cleans?

Comment #14 - Posted by: Raze at September 20, 2007 7:48 PM

sweet, Grace is one of my favorites. I have a feeling I will sweat more doing the WOD then I will during my scheduled 5 mile run tomorrow.

Comment #15 - Posted by: nadia shatila at September 20, 2007 7:51 PM

Grace is traditionally performed as a ground to overhead "anyhow." If you have the strength, you'll probably find that power cleans and push jerks afford you the most efficiency.

Comment #16 - Posted by: Tony B. at September 20, 2007 8:00 PM

Tenacious "D"- Good Job Brother. Way to put your money where your mouth is.

Comment #17 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at September 20, 2007 8:02 PM

Tenacious D

Thanks for your years of service !!

Comment #18 - Posted by: MMalmfeldt at September 20, 2007 8:11 PM

Grace is my favorite, but alas, I'm saving myself ... for Coach Burgener this weekend!

Comment #19 - Posted by: InfidelSix at September 20, 2007 8:27 PM

Tenacious D.
thanks for your comments and service. I am glad you came to the conclusions you did.

Comment #20 - Posted by: spartacus@45 at September 20, 2007 8:52 PM

My brother-in-law shipped off this past Monday as a company XO with the 1/8. We have a special bond as I was a former Marine and we never pass up a chance to toast to Chesty Puller - that fighting SOB. After everyone else said their goodbyes, I hugged him, told him I loved him and finally said, "Good hunting." He understood what I meant and has no doubt that I support him 100%.

With that said, he also knows that I'm no supporter of the Bush administration and its so-called global war on terror. Somehow, the act of protesting and speaking out against the war is tantamount to treason - a very convenient literary neo-con trick. Don't question the war, don't sacrifice, don't conserve, don't stop consuming, don't ask why the Bush administration ignored pre-war assessments that warned about IEDs and suicide bombings, don't ask how the shameful treatments of our veterans could have happened. Just trust the wisemen currently leading our nation. Yeah, right.

Tenacious D, you are a brother in arms. But don't think for a second that I believe this adminstration deserves your blood, sweat and tears. They don't. They are inept and at the same time full of a blinding arrogance. They seek to nation build and do so in a manner not unlike a drunk driver trying to operate a 5-ton.

Ironically, as much as I think this war had dubious justifications, I don't feel we can leave. We have broken Iraq, therefore we have legal and moral obligations to put it together again. However, we're not going to accomplish that with 100,000 civilian contractors operating in a theater of war.

Quick aside, I've often advocated that we need far more troops for a security and building action than for a kill 'em all operation. I've said before that Gen Shinseki even testified pre-OIF that we would need at least several hundred thousand troops. That statement was criticized because Shinseki was "just" Army Chief of Staff, he's not a war fighter. I was amused recently when Gen Petraeus was asked a question about troop level requirements post-surge and he replied that troop level needs are best answered by the Army Chief of Staff.

Anyway, what are we to make of this war when President Bush recently said that his vision of our accomplished mission in Iraq would leave the country looking a lot like Israel. What that signals to me is that this administration doesn't know what it's doing anymore. And that's what is so galling about this situation - honorable warriors like you and my brother-in-law serving under arrogant fools that didn't even know Iraq had holy Shia sites.

Lastly, I wouldn't pay attention to all that democratic talk about pulling out of Iraq next year or whatever. We can't leave. There are people, smart even, who have already communicated probable scenarios that would follow a pull out that occurs too soon. Not gonna happen. All that talk is just political theater aimed at their respective base. We'll be in Iraq for many more years. What the political moderates need to do is work together to create a true long term vision of how the Iraqi occupation should best be played out. Also, everybody needs to get over this idea that we can't possibly put more troops in Iraq. This is a war and if it is truly global, then we need to make sure we have global-level troop strength.

Ok, I'm done. Tenacious D, I'm happy that you're home. I hope you don't go back. When you do, good hunting and I'll toast you when you return.

peace

Comment #21 - Posted by: phillip at September 20, 2007 9:07 PM

See you there InfidelSix. I too am taking an extra rest day in preparation for the Oly Cert. Looking forward to it!

Tenacious D. thank you for your service and for attending the counter protest. There is still hope for our country.

Comment #22 - Posted by: Brian V at September 20, 2007 9:09 PM

Interesting that you say that Tony B. I may afford for the power clean and push jerk route rather than full squat clean, split jerk route.

I'll take this as, "I have to get rocks off my buddy and out of the hole he's in as quickly as possible type of workout."

Comment #23 - Posted by: Angry G at September 20, 2007 9:40 PM

I did this one at 135lbs doing power cleans.
14:44

Comment #24 - Posted by: Mike G at September 20, 2007 9:42 PM

I'm with you D. Those people choose to live in darkness, the sad thing is that the reason they can is because of guys like you. They think that peace will just happen if we do nothing. When ied's start blowing up outside their houses, I'm sure they'll change their tune. Thanks for all you do buddy.

Get some.

Comment #25 - Posted by: adamulm at September 20, 2007 9:44 PM

Comment #21

Phillip,
Point well said. I don't think I could of said it any better. Though I agree the men and women over there are fighting an honorable and good fight and have my utmost respect and gratitude, our own leadership lacks foresight. I owe my life and freedom to the men and women of the armed forces in Iraq and those that have fought in the past, however I am disapointed by our current administrations direction, reasoning, and vision for the whole situation.

Comment #26 - Posted by: Reno at September 20, 2007 9:56 PM

10.26
as Rxed

Comment #27 - Posted by: Michael UTS at September 20, 2007 10:11 PM

Well done Eagles.

Comment #28 - Posted by: Andrew H. Meador at September 20, 2007 10:16 PM

on the clean and jerk do I alternate which legs every rep or put the same leg foward everytime. I watched the video and they do two reps and always have the same leg foward.

Comment #29 - Posted by: kbarker at September 20, 2007 10:25 PM

Tenacious D,

I spent 3 weeks attending training at Fort Sam Houston last summer. Those three weeks were the most humbling days I have experienced.

In spite of the horrible injuries many of those heroes suffered, each one of them said they planned on returning to the fight; returning to the side of their fellow warriors. The courage and strength those men and women demonstrated was absolutely remarkable. I felt totally inadequate when talking to them and hearing there stories. You and they are bonafide heroes.

My simple words here cannot express how greatful my family and I are for the courage of the military men and women to stand up and fight for us. Hold your head high and be proud that you are unwilling to live in the misery of those demostrators.

Comment #30 - Posted by: c mac at September 20, 2007 10:31 PM

hey can anyone with pics from the cert, email some to me?

Comment #31 - Posted by: juan g. at September 20, 2007 10:40 PM

Awesome picture!! way to go GOE

Comment #32 - Posted by: Jay H at September 20, 2007 10:52 PM

Let's not forget that there are people out there who want to kill Freedom regardless of whether we are in Iraq or not.

Instead of ranting, spitting out BS numbers and denouncing the good we are trying to accomplish, put your brain to use and find a solution.

Comment #33 - Posted by: Ishmael at September 20, 2007 11:27 PM

m/180/6ft/35yr

10:12 as rx'd (60kg).

On sodden, muddy, lumpy grass. In jogging shoes with absolutely no profile. Stopping repeatedly to re-stack my pile of cardboard and old sheets to protect the grass (which nonetheless looks like it was visited by a hippo in rut).

Comment #34 - Posted by: Mike Gray - Switzerland at September 20, 2007 11:50 PM

BTW, I'd like to thank Tenacious D for his trust, courage and passion - and Phillip for his comment, which I couldn't have said better. I guess I'm a stereotypical Euro in that I don't believe in this war - but I'm also a stereotypical American in that I do believe in the men and woman, like T.D. and so many other CFers, who have put there lives on the line to fight it.

Comment #35 - Posted by: Mike Gray - Switzerland at September 21, 2007 12:00 AM

5 min rope skipping en CFWU 2x

135 pnd C&J

time: 10.41

probably could do it faster but needed to do the form as good as possible..

Comment #36 - Posted by: onefinesuri at September 21, 2007 12:11 AM

3rd Crossfit Workout
25 yom 5'11" 200#
10:39

Comment #37 - Posted by: Ryouma at September 21, 2007 12:30 AM

25, M, 72.1Kg

7 minutes flat at 50Kg

(previous 7:44 at 45Kg)

Comment #38 - Posted by: Colm O'Reilly at September 21, 2007 12:47 AM

Tenacious D,
Thank you for your service, both at home and abroad.

Comment #39 - Posted by: Dan MacDougald at September 21, 2007 1:46 AM

29 yo male 6'4, 216#
As rx'ed
5:40

Comment #40 - Posted by: Richard at September 21, 2007 1:50 AM

^^Nice job Richard

22 yo male, 5'8", 155#

95# Grace: 7:15

Comment #41 - Posted by: Jay H at September 21, 2007 2:03 AM

CFWU X 3
21:28

Grace (clean & Jerk)

5-30#, 5-35#, 5-40#, 5-45#, 5-50#, 5-60#
16:12
Total time: 37:40

Comment #42 - Posted by: Jorge E at September 21, 2007 2:48 AM

Tenacious D-

I'm moving to DC in November, and want to stand next to you, wearing my "CrossFit Infidel" shirt, the next time any tie-dye wearing, bozo wig sporting, Obama/Clinton-voting, moron talks smack about the American troops he doesn't even know, and turns our Flag upside down. NOT IN MY NAME!

The protesters are either the most irrational beings on the continent, or they have no idea what they're doing.

Thank you for your service, clarity and courage.

-Karen

Comment #43 - Posted by: Spider Chick at September 21, 2007 2:48 AM

33, M, 202lb

no equipment so I used a rock.

3:50

guess the rock was too small.

Comment #44 - Posted by: Russell Trott at September 21, 2007 2:52 AM

As Rx'd:

7:34

Comment #45 - Posted by: Brent Dodge at September 21, 2007 3:32 AM

48/M/170

Had two new crossfitter, Yeah!
@95# 20 min. round robin style.

Comment #46 - Posted by: ncsheepdog at September 21, 2007 3:44 AM

@ #12
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/grace_girls.rmvb

Comment #47 - Posted by: alcatraz at September 21, 2007 3:57 AM

done this one in 4.55 with 45 kg,1st time doin this one,this is my second week on crossfit and loving it after years of repetitive boring bodybuilding workouts. love wakin up in the morning and not knowing what my workouts gonna be till i check the crossfit website but hear can anyone tell me what (as rxd) means?

Comment #48 - Posted by: michael at September 21, 2007 4:00 AM

TenaciousD

If you want something to fight for, join Blood Rose.

We are a team of ex-military operators that employ violence to extract women and girls (some as young as 8 years old) from brothels and other dens of sexual slavery in the middle east and asia.

We are always looking for members. There is no glory and our exploits are never publicized, but at the end of the day I don't have to wonder if I am employed by The Light in the Darkness or The Great Satan.

Comment #49 - Posted by: louc4r at September 21, 2007 4:01 AM

10 minute snatch set: 90L/90R. 18 rpm. Hands in good condition.

3 minute rest.

I'll be doing kb jerks later. My "hand friendly" WOD:

30 barefoot butt to ankles squat cleans using snatch grip/zercher catch with 70# Ironwoody bag. Full hip extension every rep before dropping bag to ground. 3:27. Easy on the hands, can feel it in traps and core.

Comment #50 - Posted by: Kelly Moore at September 21, 2007 4:04 AM

M/36/213 lbs

31:15 - trying for good form / the clips of the woman with the pony tail on top doing C&J are inspiring

#95 - 1+1+1+5+7
#105 - 4
#115 - 4
#135 - 1+1+1+2+2

---

I think TenD sums it up nicely -- Western values of Democracy and Freedom are essential, but then there is the corporate side of the West, which, more often than not, is the perfect apparatus of human greed and selfishness.

Would Western prosperity even exist without the resources we extract from other people and the pollution we leave behind? Our all our freedoms, happiness, prosperity and magnificant accomplishments worth it? Can the West even exist without shifting the cost onto others, wether onto some other people or increasingly, our own future generations?

Thanks TenD, you've given this soldier lots of food for thought.

Comment #51 - Posted by: jnw at September 21, 2007 4:12 AM

A question to the mods, could you please erase all the messages with political overtones (both pro- and anti-Iraq war) so that this site would stay free of this bickering. There are other sites for that. Right?

Comment #52 - Posted by: ksakke at September 21, 2007 4:15 AM

ksakke,

As you could have infered from the picture posted today and by the articles posted on rest days, it is in fact the aim of the owners of this site that politics be discussed here, on the front page (and not in the forums, for example).

Feel free to ignore the posts that deal with things other than fitness if you find them distracting.

Comment #53 - Posted by: Ewen at September 21, 2007 4:24 AM

#25 Reno,
Are you really dissapointed in the direction they are taking? What are you disssapointed with? What tactical and strategic decisions are you privy to that make you dissapointed? Have you talked to Iraqis and asked them how their lives have changed since the US invaded? Have you read about the successful disarmament and normalization of Libya? The disbanding of the A.Q. Kahn private nuclear proliferation organization that was selling technology and equipment to North Korea, Iran and Libya. The Kurds who no longer lose sons and daughters in Kirkuk and Mosul to Saddam's terror squads for paranoia-driven reasons? How about those girls in Afghanistan are now able to be educated and less likely to be subjected to honor killings and oppression?
We have made some mistakes recently. General Petraeus was selected for his position in order to fix those. Read his bio and see how amazing it is that a man with his credentials still resolves to serve where he does and not make millions in the private sector. Those mistakes are fixable. Those successes which we have already gained in the GWOT are indisputable, and the world is and will continue to be a better place for them.

Comment #54 - Posted by: Jon at September 21, 2007 4:31 AM

"Tenacious" D...Great comment, brother.

Comment #55 - Posted by: Mike G_CFATL at September 21, 2007 4:38 AM

As Rx'd
135#
8:28

I'm behind you tenacious D and Phillip. 10 years for me until God called me to something different. I miss my boys and my muddy boots because of guys like you.

Comment #56 - Posted by: Hoot at September 21, 2007 4:41 AM

23/m/206/6'4"
New PR!
8:55 as Rx'd

Comment #57 - Posted by: Justin at September 21, 2007 4:44 AM

BW=185
Age=27

As Rx'd
135#
8:44m

Comment #58 - Posted by: Steve Liberati at September 21, 2007 4:44 AM

Tenacious D-
I'm glad to see you are a part of a Gathering of Eagles. Thanks for standing up for us when some of us couldn't be there except in spirit.

Yesterday I worked out instead of taking a rest day, because I my schedule is such that today I will be taking a rest day. Funny thing is though, I almost did Grace and at the last minute decided to go with Isabel since I needed to do that one more.
I had a different workout "partner". I am used to my kids, my husband, my dogs, a toad has joined once, a little green lizard has joined me a couple of times, but yesterday I had an opossum in my garage! When first saw it, I yelled and ran and then I just let it be and did my workout.

WU-
CFWU x 1 (back was pretty sore)
walk 1 mile for speed- 14:30
WOD-
Isabel- 30 reps snatches
subbed 45 lbs
Time- 5:11
First time doing Isabel with more than a broomstick. About half were power snatches.

Post- OHS 45lb, 30 reps (broken at 12, 8, 5, 5)
Time- 6:00

Definitley going to start doing these more and increasing weight.

Kate

Comment #59 - Posted by: jknl at September 21, 2007 4:47 AM

Fran for time (first time) -- 105 Thrusters versus 95. 7:52

Comment #60 - Posted by: Christopher at September 21, 2007 4:48 AM

Tenacious "D",

See the story: Pentagon investigating $6B in contracts for Iraq and Afghanistan
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/21/iraq.investigations.ap/index.html , especially the last paragraph "Although the subjects are serious ones, only about a dozen of the committee's 61 members attended the hearing. By the time it ended, the witnesses outnumbered the lawmakers. Just the committee chairman, Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., and Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H., remained."
There is something REAL wrong with this country, and that is from top to bottom.

Comment #61 - Posted by: RobertP at September 21, 2007 4:56 AM

Ewen,

well my take in discussing politics is that both sides are given equal opportunities to voice their opinions. Maybe that's not the case here? Several anti-Iraq war posts have been erased that were here earlier. They had some valid arguments as have some pro-Iraq war ones also. I find it a bit disturbing that only one side is given this opportunity.

Maybe I should stop visiting the site altogether :)

Comment #62 - Posted by: ksakke at September 21, 2007 5:03 AM

5:41 with 39kg (~85lb) power cleans

Then, did the row/wall ball wod from the other day.
33:05 with 35lb sumo deadlift high pulls (200-100-50 reps) for rowing and 20# wall balls.

Comment #63 - Posted by: Mary Ann at September 21, 2007 5:04 AM

M/39/185

As rx'd:

10:16

More better faster

Comment #64 - Posted by: Marty at September 21, 2007 5:07 AM

Once reading the WOD I developed a huge smile on my face. Could be the first time I do this with the prescribed weight.

Got some interesting looks on faces at the gym while doing the deadlifts HSPU combo the other day. Could be more of the same tomorrow.

Strange how the harder a worker is the more I love it.

Comment #65 - Posted by: bladeboy at September 21, 2007 5:24 AM

sub for 45kgs
7:32
max/ave HR 182/169
113 cals

26 m 175

Comment #66 - Posted by: Sunny at September 21, 2007 5:25 AM

42yom 182lbs

Will be doing this WOD later today. Since I don't do a lot of the clean and jerk exercise, I decided to say F@*^ time, and go strickly for form. I will still post a time but it will be nowhere near what the majority here post up. I will not sacrifice intensity though, so I figure about 15-18 min should be it for me. We'll see...

Comment #67 - Posted by: Harry at September 21, 2007 5:27 AM

#14 Raze,

This WOD is done with full squat cleans not power cleans. Full squat cleans = harder work = more fun.

Comment #68 - Posted by: bladeboy at September 21, 2007 5:29 AM

4 mins 15 seconds done with 100lbs.
Finished off with 25 mins LI cardio. Love this WOD!!

Comment #69 - Posted by: Chris B at September 21, 2007 5:32 AM

First time with Grace-ful (ie squat cleans and push-jerk)

6:44 as Rx-ed

Will go the power-clean and push-press route tonight.

Cheers, kempie

Comment #70 - Posted by: kempie at September 21, 2007 5:42 AM

Question:

I have short achilles tendums. Which means I can't do squats, or pretty much any of the olympic lifts. Deadlifts work so-so, but I don't use high weight as I feel I can't do it right.

When I see WoD's that include squats I can usually do some them on a squat sled at the gym, but like today. Clean & Jerks, there's no way I can do them. And I really want to do something, so the question is:

What can I do instead, that are similair to clean & jerks?

Comment #71 - Posted by: Björn B at September 21, 2007 5:42 AM

Alright, time to redeam myself from August 12th!

Comment #72 - Posted by: gaucoin at September 21, 2007 5:44 AM

whats the rx'd weight for women for grace and isabel? at CF boston we've assumed 95#, but wanted the "official" number.

Comment #73 - Posted by: eva claire (ec) at September 21, 2007 5:44 AM

33/M/175

As Rx'd;

11:38

Comment #74 - Posted by: x66F at September 21, 2007 5:45 AM

scaled to 105#

4 min flat

Comment #75 - Posted by: Tim Hamilton at September 21, 2007 5:52 AM

8.09
scaled to 95#, full squat cleans

Comment #76 - Posted by: overtime at September 21, 2007 5:56 AM

Here's my theory on protests/protestors: If you feel strongly enough to go to a protest, your opinion is not going to be swayed by a counter-protestor.
I did 15 months in Iraq, and there were tons of protests going on while I was there. I didn't feel betrayed by anyone, or that they were being treasonous by protesting. It's a bunch of words and signs that never actually accomplish anything.
I have no scientific proof, but I'm pretty sure that all the protesting has given momentum to NEITHER side.
Protestors mostly protest to fell better about having protested.
God bless all of you fighting for each other. I hope you all come home and live long, full lives.

Comment #77 - Posted by: moak at September 21, 2007 5:58 AM

bw 170, used 135

6:06 as rx'd

Comment #78 - Posted by: paulw at September 21, 2007 6:06 AM

8:30

Comment #79 - Posted by: nsb at September 21, 2007 6:13 AM

31/m/225#

As RX'd 11:55

Political Commentary:

I have been in the Army for 10 years (I entered before 9/11, but have made the decision to stay twice since.) I have deployed all over the Middle East, and I think the military has been successful in most of its ventures. However, I still feel that the administration made a mistake in its dealings with Iraq. I agree with some posters that the military has helped to a great extent extend personal freedoms in Iraq, but I don't agree that we, as the United States, had the right to invade the country to achieve those ends. The ends don't justify the means. Every time any country ignores the stipulations of the United Nations, especially if the country is powerful, the world takes a step back from any chance of global peace. I have made the sacrifice to support the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution; I don't want my children to need to support democracy abroad.

Comment #80 - Posted by: airborne.s2000 at September 21, 2007 6:21 AM

BW 169

as rx'd

7:14

Comment #81 - Posted by: Eric O at September 21, 2007 6:22 AM

m/6'/185

specific wu

Grace:

30x squat clean & push jerk @ 135lbs

as rx'd, time:7:59

Comment #82 - Posted by: RobertP at September 21, 2007 6:25 AM

Our country took a gamble in overthrowing Saddam. Successful, we establish a democracy that is pro US, the barbarity of Saddam ends, and we have an outpost smack dab in the middle of the opponents of civilization – opponents wholly committed to exportation of their cultural, religious, and political pathology. Failure might include a score of unforeseeable nightmares.

When the going looked good, support was near unanimous. When the difficulty of bringing the 3rd century into the 21st became apparent, many American’s reversed their support and found relief from their, disappointment, embarrassment, cowardice, and shame by concocting a lie – that they’d been lied to. Ironic.

There’s a lot at stake – even politically. Should we, America, civilization, prove victorious, many American’s are going to be widely seen as having been historically, morally, politically, and tactically wrong. These people now need, for their self-image, American defeat complete with the realization of any of the unforeseeable nightmares incumbent in defeat. For this they hope above all else.

For those of us who saw the risk as worth the taking, defeat, while tragic, won’t repudiate the effort. That’s the nature of noble effort, risk, and sacrifice. That’s the value and cost of freedom and liberty. That’s our faith that every man, everywhere, is deserving of freedom.

WMD’s are but one piece in the puzzle.

Comment #83 - Posted by: Coach at September 21, 2007 6:25 AM

#59 - Tony B. from Crossfit.com refutes you as saying:

"Grace is traditionally performed as a ground to overhead "anyhow." If you have the strength, you'll probably find that power cleans and push jerks afford you the most efficiency."

So I believe this means if you want to make it harder and do full, go for it. But there is nothing wrong with going the efficient route for time. Depends on what the individual needs most.

http://www.logsitall.com - I hope to see a lot of Grace times in there today!

Comment #84 - Posted by: Angry G at September 21, 2007 6:26 AM

Spiderchick--

I always enjoy your posts, although I don't always agree. They are invariably clever, but over the years I have come to believe that ad-hominem attacks are generally unhelpful and often reveal nothing about the subject. I'm old enough to know guys who were clubbed in Chicago in '68, so my views about protesters are more nuanced than yours. I certainly could never begin to slot them into a box labeled "bozo" or "moron."

Comment #85 - Posted by: TomR at September 21, 2007 6:31 AM

So much for politics being relegated to Rest Days. CrossFit is such a stellar protocol/philosophy/lifestyle that it's a shame to see politics driving the proverbial wedge between those who agree with the war and those who don't. For the record, I'm a career firefighter, don't agree with the war, don't support the President, and can only feel for the troops, their families and loved ones who have been pawns in this whole process.

I'd like to see the politics left to Rest Days where at least I can choose to skip the right-wing propaganda.

Comment #86 - Posted by: W. Geoffrey Miller at September 21, 2007 6:40 AM

Wow...hope I never meet louc4r in a dark alley! Subbed 95 lbs, performed full squat cleans and push jerks, time 9:54...thanks Coach.

Comment #87 - Posted by: layman at September 21, 2007 6:41 AM

BTW, here's another reference for those interested in C & J technique: http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/OlympicLifts/CleanAndJerk.html

Exrx.net is a wealth of information regarding lift instruction.

Comment #88 - Posted by: W. Geoffrey Miller at September 21, 2007 6:46 AM

#57 ksakke: Your threat to leave the posting board, and Crossfit site, is one that people (me) have seen many, many times over the years and does not influence the manner in which the site is run.

As for our beautiful flag, not-so-little Alex D., jumped the crap of another student for mocking the Pledge of Allegiance and adding inappropriate words. I was so proud of him.

And I am proud of and grateful to all our service personnel, and proud of all Americans who regardless of political affliation, stand up and defends our flag and all that she represents.

Comment #89 - Posted by: marianne denton at September 21, 2007 6:48 AM

19:06. Took me 4 minutes longer than last time as i was trying to work toward doing this with squat cleans. I think i only managed 5 or 6 that would truly have qualified as a squat clean, but i tried every time - i just kept stopping shy of parallel despite my best efforts otherwise. I'm satisfied with the effort at least. it still left me collapsed in in a puddle of sweat at the end of the day.

To those of you that serve or have served. Thank you. You carry the flag and the burden that I cannot.


Comment #90 - Posted by: mark L at September 21, 2007 6:48 AM

Tenacious D,

Keep in mind that there is an analog over here for the war over there, and that you are not alone. You have allies.

We are at war here, not over political principle, but between those of us who believe in Reason and principle--who believe in the sanctity of our heritage, and the great good of which the United States has repeatedly shown itself capable--and those who want to abandon both in favor of sanctimonious and self abusive "tolerance".

If you believe nothing, we are told, then peace will inevitably result. Such imbecility is only possible in an environment which has taken the precautionary measure of eliminating all effort at objective standards of truth and morality. This has been done, and the recipients of this download put on clown wigs and march in the streets.

We see on this thread numerous people telling us how our war is wrong, how it was a bad idea. Yet, these same people, in Rest Day after Rest Day, are unable to defend those positions. The UN did not need to be consulted. Saddam was capable of developing WMD's. He was an SOB without which the world is better off. We are fighting a determined enemy who will benefit from our decision to choose failure in Iraq. Ordinary Iraqis will profit for many generations to come from our success, and over time so will the entire Middle East.

I know you know how to put one foot in front of the other. What makes it into a journey is direction, and direction comes from faith.

Keep the faith. It may not always be possible to see light, but you can always imagine it. And what we can imagine can always yet one day be.

Comment #91 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at September 21, 2007 6:51 AM

6:58 as rxd

Comment #92 - Posted by: jpf at September 21, 2007 7:02 AM

#
#46
Hi Kelly

I learned about the Zercher squat last weekend. How do you use a snatch grip and catch it in a zercher squat? My arms hurt even when I got the bar from the rack. Is it something diferent when you're doing cleans? How do you adjust it so fast to catch it?
I'm trying to imagine what it would look like to use a snatch grip for a clean and catch it in your arms...

And what's an ironwoody bag?

Thanks

Comment #93 - Posted by: AllisonNYC_22/F/5'2/111 at September 21, 2007 7:11 AM

4:02 - 135# Power clean & Push jerk

Comment #94 - Posted by: Leonid Soubbotine at September 21, 2007 7:12 AM

As a retired memeber of the Armed Forces I thank all that serve and all support them.

R/Mark

Comment #95 - Posted by: Mark at September 21, 2007 7:22 AM

cfwux3

5:50, with power cleans, push presses, not jerks

this felt heavy from the very first rep

Comment #96 - Posted by: Brett_nyc at September 21, 2007 7:23 AM

Hi everyone. I posted a question yesterday to no answer. Hopefully someone can help me. Can anyone tell me the difference between a level 1 seminar and a certification seminar? And the pros and cons of attending one over the other? Email me if you don't want to clutter up the comments board. Thanks in advance.
John

Comment #97 - Posted by: john32 at September 21, 2007 7:26 AM

No one forces anyone to read the comments here. If you don't agree with the politics, skip those posts and stick to the WOD related info. It's really that simple. Kind of like turning off the radio when you hear a song you don't like, or turning off the TV when Britney Spears flashes on the screen.

As for the WOD: 21:02:
15 X 65#
10 X 75#
5 X 85#
10 X 95#

This is my first time doing Clean/Jerks so I was concentrating on form and getting a feel for the movement. Ripped a nice piece of skin off the inside of my thumb from the bar rubbing when reaching the top of the clean. The Olympic moves are definatley tough for beginners. Lots of strange looks at globgym this morning.

Comment #98 - Posted by: Gabriel at September 21, 2007 7:26 AM

Tenacious D-Your service and strength are the true counter protest. Bear in mind that most of these so-called protesters are kids who listen to Jimi hendrix records and look back whistfully at the 60's. I wonder what kind of welcome Jane Fonda would get in the caves of North Whaziristan. Keep on fighting the good fight, brother!

Comment #99 - Posted by: john wopat at September 21, 2007 7:28 AM

5min rope skipping + CFWUx3

WOD as rx'd: 9:26

Comment #100 - Posted by: Leroy - Holland - 24yo m 173cm/72Kg at September 21, 2007 7:31 AM

Well, one thing about CrossFit: it keeps you honest. I spent about 20 minutes just practicing cleans, and by the time I felt comfortable enough to clean 95 pounds, I was so spent I had to quit early. I just need to start practicing cleans twice a week and work on form, because once I tried going up to 135, my weight started shifting to the balls of my feet in landing position and I had trouble getting my elbows all the way around the bar. It'll take time, but I can do it...eventually.

Tenacious D, you and your brothers and sisters who wear the uniform have my undying respect and gratitude. Fight the good fight and finish the job!

On the subject of Iraq, I feel there's an important lesson from history that we're all forgetting. Revolutions and changes of power have never been pretty, even when the change was to a democratic form of government. Look at our own history. The war for independence lasted eight years, and was followed by several decades of political infighting and at least two armed insurgencies, if memory serves (one of these was sparked over the taxation of whiskey, of all things!). Also, let's not forget that 100 years after the end of the revolution, we found ourselves embroiled in a bloody civil war. France's revolution lasted several decades; power changed hands several times, there were periods of all-out anarchy, and things didn't really calm down until after the Napoleonic Wars, which engulfed most of Europe. The fact of the matter is, nation building is a messy process. Nothing involved with it happens overnight, and we would be foolish to expect such. This is an important issue, because our enemies are very patient. Unfortunately our country, in this age of on-demand everything, is not famous for its patience

Comment #101 - Posted by: Josh@OU at September 21, 2007 7:33 AM

1-2: 135
3-14: 95
15-30: 65

7:08

Really felt good on form. Even did splits!

Comment #102 - Posted by: Hale at September 21, 2007 7:36 AM

ksakke,

I know politics can be an interesting topic to say the least. I didn't see the anti-war posts that were taken down so I don't know what their points were, but obviously the owners of the site have a political view point which they are entitled to. If they want to censor posts, they have the right to do it. I don't think it is anyone's intention to have people stop coming to the site and/or participating in crossfit because of differing political opinions. If you don't like what direction the political discussions go, just don't respond to them. Do your workouts, post your times, and know you disagree with most people who visit the site. No worries and we all stay in great shape.

Comment #103 - Posted by: MMalmfeldt at September 21, 2007 7:37 AM

#92 Josh at OU

I am a law student at OU, where do you workout at?

Mike

Comment #104 - Posted by: MMalmfeldt at September 21, 2007 7:38 AM

Did this just last week.

2:55 Rx'd and PR

BW 245

Comment #105 - Posted by: Neal Thompson at September 21, 2007 7:41 AM

M/23/235 & M/22/240
135lbs 6:14 and 5:54 Respectfully

Comment #106 - Posted by: FLK at September 21, 2007 7:48 AM

bw: 188

As rx'd: 4:50 (pr)

Comment #107 - Posted by: Rick510 at September 21, 2007 7:50 AM

115lbs 12:36

Comment #108 - Posted by: KSC at September 21, 2007 7:51 AM

27/245/78"

used 135 but did power cleans and split jerks. My back gets some pain in it when I do squat cleans. 1st time with Grace and first time really doing split jerks. I like this WOD a lot.

time: 5:39

Comment #109 - Posted by: Emill at September 21, 2007 7:51 AM

I am getting ready to workout and I posted a question last night thinking I was going to receive help. Instead all I hear about is Iraq on a workout forum. So I was disappointed after scrolling through the bull crap. There are plenty of other forum regarding politics so please instead of that could someone answer my QUESTION before I go workout in 2 hours.

QUESTION>>> Do I alternate which leg goes forward in the jerk or do I use the same leg foward every rep?

Comment #110 - Posted by: kbarker at September 21, 2007 7:53 AM

#100 You do not have to alternate. Go with what you prefer. You can push jerk or split jerk.

Comment #111 - Posted by: Neal Thompson at September 21, 2007 7:56 AM

Just finished 11:55 Rx'd...

A little upset to hit the sight and see my comments removed from last night....not sure why. Did not feel I crossed any lines...nor did I feel those of naruto007 were all that bad.

I do take issue with posted pics that will generate debate and then removing the debate when it generated. Maybe some rules need to be posted on posting.

The comments of those against the war need to be heard...I myself am for all our efforts and believe that it is never to late or wrong to stay in a fight or work towards a solution that is best for all, especially those in Iraq. I'm for the war but by removing dissenting opinion we run into a situtation where we are no better than the evils we wish to remove from this world.

Hopefully this post will stand. I love CrossFit and this community...I enjoy the debate...and I know we are blessed beyond all others in this world for the simple fact that we have the freedom, time, and security to worry about proper clean n jerk form and the ability to speak our opinions freely--Sully

Comment #112 - Posted by: sully at September 21, 2007 8:02 AM

Well said, Mike. I'll do my workouts, post my times, vote my conscience and express my political views in more appropriate forums.

Today's WOD

Warm up:
5 minute treadmill climb
2x squat dumbell presses (20, 25 lbs)
35 dips

30 Clean and Jerks (25 @ 95 lbs, 5 @ 65 lbs) First time doing this exercise, so I was very concerned with form. 20:00 min.

35 box jumps (20 w/ 5kg medicine ball)
50 pushups
30 pullups
25 knees to ankles

Comment #113 - Posted by: pvbfire at September 21, 2007 8:02 AM

Great discourse today, folks. I did not do the ole split jerk today, I went for work output with a straight push jerk.

27 yr old male, 200 pounds
135# CJ, 30 reps, 5:38.

Good day

Comment #114 - Posted by: AMLove21 at September 21, 2007 8:05 AM

Badass pic!

Comment #115 - Posted by: Andrew Wil at September 21, 2007 8:13 AM

Bwt: 133

As Rx'd:

Did power cleans this time and shaved off about 3 min.

5:19

Comment #116 - Posted by: Speal at September 21, 2007 8:16 AM

Thanks for posting the article from yesterday. It was very refreshing to read something from a slightly different point of view, regarding Iraq. My wife is a high school economics teacher, and she is going to read that article to her students today. Keep em coming...
Cheers,
Tim

Comment #117 - Posted by: Tim Hamilton at September 21, 2007 8:18 AM

M/35/180

Warmup:
Samson Stretch
8-way cable crossovers 40/50lb
10x dips
10x p/u
10x back extension
10x glute-ham situps

WOD:
1x65lb C&J
9x95lb C&J
10x65lb C&J
10x75lb C&J

I'm feeling better with the motion, should be able to push the weight up some next time.

Comment #118 - Posted by: santoguapo at September 21, 2007 8:18 AM

One of my favorite quotes came to mind reading today's online discussion. Probably been quoted in different posts a number of times, and I bet several know it by heart, but seems appropriate:

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows acheivement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

T. Roosevelt.

Comment #119 - Posted by: John T. at September 21, 2007 8:21 AM

32kg KB clean & jerk

30L 30R sets of 5

11:48

Comment #120 - Posted by: timk at September 21, 2007 8:29 AM

27/220/6'1"

Did power cleans/jerk w/ 135 for 4:34. Then I had to go lay down...

Comment #121 - Posted by: BaqubahJoe at September 21, 2007 8:30 AM

newbie
65#
mucked up time
thank you crossfit!

Comment #122 - Posted by: tonyf at September 21, 2007 8:33 AM

Coach--

You wrote: ". . .many American’s reversed their support and found relief from their, disappointment, embarrassment, cowardice, and shame by concocting a lie – that they’d been lied to. Ironic.
....
"WMD’s are but one piece in the puzzle."

This administration's sale pitch for the war focused primarly on WMD. Not a possibility in the future, but a capabilty in the present.

Georgie, Rummie, Chenie, Condie all threatened Americans with the specter of "mushroom-shaped clouds." They may not have been lying. They may simply have been poorly informed. Their failing is then incompetence instead of deceit.

Comment #123 - Posted by: TomR at September 21, 2007 8:37 AM

"They want to kill us" is the rationale for continuing occupation, imperialism, and maintenance of 700 military bases around the world.

Do they want to kill us even more after we invaded a country that was not to threat to us, resulting in displacement of 1 million Iraqi's, and the killing of 600,000 - 1 million depending upon whose estimate you use.

What gives the US the right, or moral authority to go beyond defense of the homeland to invade a country under false pretenses. (Don't tell me we are humanitarians - if we were we'd be in Saudi Arabia and North Korea)

Do they want to kill us even more after we side with Israel to oppose over 50 UN security council resolutions to safeguard human rights?

Do they want to kill us more after we armed Sadam
against Iran in the 80's?

Do they want kill us more ever since we (and Great Britain) overthrew the first democratically elected government in the middle East (Iran, 1953)?

And how much have we endangered ourselves by diverting the hunt for Bin Laden and Al qaeda in Afgganistan to focus on non-existent WMD in Iraq?

Comment #124 - Posted by: bill at September 21, 2007 8:37 AM

Does anyone else get numb thumbs from the hook grip and does it mean I'm doing something wrong?

I don't think that's a clown wig... I think that's that kid's real hair. Either way, thank you Tenacious "D" for your faith and service. I don't see either side as bozos or morons. Wanting US soldiers out of harm's way and peace isn't moronic. Neither is wanting full support for a mission that has already been started and sacrificed for. I just want to know, what happens if we just keep the troop levels the same in Iraq? Will that bring peace or establish that democracy?

Comment #125 - Posted by: Buretto at September 21, 2007 8:38 AM

6:26
65# power clean/jerk

Comment #126 - Posted by: cso at September 21, 2007 8:43 AM

thanks neal

Comment #127 - Posted by: kbarker at September 21, 2007 8:43 AM

I don't have any smart words or deep political rhetoric for the war in Iraq. I have been in the military for 10 years and listened to both sides state their opinions; both with limited information. One side may read or research their points to confirm their views and the other side will find an equal confirming view.

A famous general said that “War is hell lest we grow too fond of it.” I love my comrades and gave a sigh of relief when my brother returned safe but broken in spirit in a way. When told he might go back he freely let tears go down his face.

Children are being shot in the cross fire, women killed, and good men and women on both sides are feeling the sorrow of death.

It angers me that folks that spout about patriotism attack those that speak their views even if they are not the popular views. Sometimes that view is pro-war as it was in the beginning and now pro-peace. It is in the beauty of this country that we can passionately proclaim our views.

It sadden me to hear folks in the beginning; that if you don't support this war then you are a traitor and yet by branding them a traitor and closing their right to free speech we become that which we abhor. I believe that members of this administration had their own views in starting the war and I also believe that there were good folks that wanted to bring peace.

The world will move and people will laugh, cry, speak words of anger, and we will persevere. I cannot cite articles and speak on the multitude of beliefs but perhaps we should remember that there are friends, brothers and sisters, parents, and children that are fighting on both sides and some don't really care about world domination as they do about survival.

I wish all the best and Ten D and the protestors show why this country can be great. The beauty of disagreement without death. Have a good day and I look forward to today's WOD.

Comment #128 - Posted by: Tobias Neal at September 21, 2007 8:50 AM

CFWU 2x15
As Rx'd: 15:04

Comment #129 - Posted by: Jonah at September 21, 2007 8:51 AM

#102

I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush there. Can you verify your claim that most people who visit this site support the war, the President and the rest of the corrupt sitting administration? Perhaps the vocal minority simply gives the impression that a majority of the people who visit this site back their positions. I'd be willing to bet the the numbers aren't "most".

Comment #130 - Posted by: W. Geoffrey Miller at September 21, 2007 8:52 AM

#129 - Miller

"the corrupt sitting administration"?

What's your basis for such a statement? Back it up with facts. You may not like the President, the war, or the administration, but to call the corrupt is out of line.

Comment #131 - Posted by: Steve Rakow at September 21, 2007 8:56 AM

46 / 174

I hate to keep the power-clean vs squat-clean debate going but what about Elizabeth, Isabel, and Linda? If we can do power cleans on Grace, can we do power cleans and power snatches for these named workouts? In the video section on the web, there's a video of Sage (I hope I get her name right) doing a clean and jeck. It's a full squat clean and a split jerk. More evidence that squat cleans are in order. Also, a couple of weeks ago, watching Greg A do the 'power Elizabeth' and not just 'Elizabeth'. Finally, we have Tony B in comment 16 (he's a trainer Santa Cruz, right?) saying this an 'anyhow' workout, therefore power cleans are okay.

If we all add our data to logsitall, and they are all 'as rx'd', did that mean squat cleans or power cleans?

Coach, can you add your views here please?

Comment #132 - Posted by: tom perry at September 21, 2007 8:57 AM

21:13
45x5
95x5
115x5
135x10
115x5

Comment #133 - Posted by: jassch at September 21, 2007 8:58 AM

4:00 as rx'd

Comment #134 - Posted by: Nick at September 21, 2007 9:01 AM

as rx'd 12:06

Second crossfit workout. Grrrr.

22/m/165

Comment #135 - Posted by: Zach Dillan at September 21, 2007 9:01 AM

as rx'd 12:06

Second crossfit workout. Grrrr.

22/m/165

Comment #136 - Posted by: Zach Dillan at September 21, 2007 9:02 AM

4:54

http://www.logsitall.com

Comment #137 - Posted by: Angry G at September 21, 2007 9:02 AM

Still recuping my back. Modified to 75# clean and push press. Turning my ego off and not doing the workouts rx'd is killing me. Reset my grip on every lift and really concentrated on form. Slowed me down but all my reps were really good. 9:30

We now have a camcorder on a tripod at One World. If you aren't filming yourself during some of these workouts, you really should try it. It has opened eyes with everyone here regarding their technique. Really keeps you honest and humble.

I have so far to go and so much more to learn.

Comment #138 - Posted by: freddy c. at September 21, 2007 9:02 AM

as rx'd 12:06

Second crossfit workout. Grrrr.

22/m/165

Comment #139 - Posted by: Zach Dillan at September 21, 2007 9:03 AM

oops. sorry guys.

Comment #140 - Posted by: Zach Dillan at September 21, 2007 9:04 AM

#102

I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush there. Can you verify your claim that most people who visit this site support the war, the President and the rest of the corrupt sitting administration? Perhaps it's only the vocal minority.

Comment #141 - Posted by: W. Geoffrey Miller at September 21, 2007 9:08 AM

Zach:
You are new so multiple identical posts are ok this time but if it happens again we will sick louc4r on you and he will hunt you down :)

Welcome aboard and enjoy the ride..

Comment #142 - Posted by: mhlane at September 21, 2007 9:10 AM

M/61/181/6'

CFWU x 3

"Grace" 95# 9:52

Beat 081207 by 2 min. and 30#!

Comment #143 - Posted by: hiflyer51 at September 21, 2007 9:11 AM

M/20/205/6'4"

6:35 as rx'd
new PR :) by 1:20

Comment #144 - Posted by: jeremyg at September 21, 2007 9:13 AM

43m/153#
4:56 using 115#

Comment #145 - Posted by: pat d at September 21, 2007 9:13 AM

Folks,
IT'S NOT REST DAY!!!!!
That being said, Tenacious D- Hoo yah. (Hooah for you Army folks.)
Coach Thank you for the clear articulation of the situation in Iraq.
W. Geoffrey Miller, I am not a pawn. My wife is not a pawn, my family is not a pawn. Please do not characterize my 19 years of service with your negative brush. I have reenlisted 6 times because I believe in my role in this Republic and I believe in the role the US has taken in the world.

Comment #146 - Posted by: Bob Taylor at September 21, 2007 9:16 AM

#83 Allison,

Here is a link to the Woody Bag: http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/woody-bags.php.

I use the handles on the outsides of the bag to pull from the floor (the handle's distance apart makes it close to my BB snatch grip) and pull it high enough to release and catch it in the crooks of both arms in the bottom position. It's not heavy at 70#, but I do have to move fast to be able to release and catch it. You can feel in in your core due to the weight being so far out in front.

My thanks again to Lynne for this wonderful Christmas present!

Comment #147 - Posted by: Kelly Moore at September 21, 2007 9:17 AM

58yo/m/175lbs

30 with 45lb bar. Depth slowly getting better. Additional weight causes pain in back of r hand near wrist. Also difficulty in transferring bar from shoulder to do jerk portion. Any suggetsions/tips? Stretching this area? Or just keep working?

Also, great picture. Missed this event. but made the one last May in DC, with "Gathering of Eagles." Unklike 35-40 yrs ago, these marches will not go unanswered.

Comment #148 - Posted by: Tim Reed at September 21, 2007 9:20 AM

I haven't done CF for a week. I never thought I'd be excited to wake up, look at the WOD, see Grace, and smile. After doing Crossfit for this long, I get bored with regular lifting. This is gonna be sick.

Comment #149 - Posted by: Minired at September 21, 2007 9:22 AM

7:00

Power Cleans/Push Jerks with quite a few presses at the top to finish them.

Comment #150 - Posted by: tjo at September 21, 2007 9:24 AM

as rx'd: 9:59 min. Better next time.
Have fun, Johan

Comment #151 - Posted by: Johan Nederhof/Rotterdam at September 21, 2007 9:26 AM

btw,
Dennis nicely said.
I enjoy the debate, isn't it beautifull there can be a debate ?

keep it nice, speak from your hear and try to see their point of vieuw. Have fun, Johan

Comment #152 - Posted by: Johan Nederhof/Rotterdam at September 21, 2007 9:29 AM

#118 John T.

I've seen that quote used by various people on here at different times in response to various things. It's a great quote.

Unfortunately it has been forever ruined for me. It was spoken by Timothy McVeigh before he was executed. After hearing him usurp and bastardize it, I can't hear it without cringing now.

Comment #153 - Posted by: Tim Hamilton at September 21, 2007 9:33 AM

8 minutes
135 pounds in sets of 10/5/5/5/5

Comment #154 - Posted by: Hognutz at September 21, 2007 9:33 AM

M/20/185/6'4"


5:28 as rx'd
This is my 3rd week doing the wod. I'm starting to get the hang of the workouts. They are definitely harder than my old football workouts

Comment #155 - Posted by: Scott at September 21, 2007 9:35 AM

Hey my bad, I got confused John, sorry that was a different quote. I was havin flashbacks or somethin haha
Great quote mate.
Cheers

Comment #156 - Posted by: Tim Hamilton at September 21, 2007 9:36 AM

As Rxd

Full squat cleans - 16:30

#21 Phillip
love your comments, it's exactly how I feel about the situation. The most interesting thing I find about that pic is the sign which says "support the troops". These people are not protesting against the troops like in Vietnam, but protesting a war which is wildly un-popular. Why can't we seem to see the difference between the two?? I support the troops 100%. I have no support for this war or this administration. Am I unpatriotic? Are the people at this protest unpatriotic? They are holding "support the troops" signs for christ sakes. In my opinion it seems more of an agenda against dirty hippies.

Love the Roosevelt quote,

Josh

Comment #157 - Posted by: joshuab at September 21, 2007 9:37 AM

"Grace"
used just the 45# bar so i could use correct form.
45# X 30 reps
time: 8:59

Comment #158 - Posted by: Shannon at September 21, 2007 9:45 AM

The last three paragraph: sorry, forgot I cut and pasted the stuff from the regurgibot.

Comment #159 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at September 21, 2007 9:45 AM

forgot to add how much I LOVE CF! the fact that i can go in the gym, do my warmup, workout and be drenched in sweat and done, way before the guy on the cybex chest press does one set makes me smile!

yes, this happened to me today.

Comment #160 - Posted by: Shannon at September 21, 2007 9:48 AM

4:45 as rx'd. That is full squat cleans not the candy a$$ power clean ladies.

Comment #161 - Posted by: SDG at September 21, 2007 9:48 AM

Could somebody at CrossFit Santa Cruz, like the Glassmans, please clarify about how Grace should be done as prescribed? I'll continue to do it with both power cleans and squat cleans (a Power Grace and a Squat Grace), but I want a simpler basis for comparison. Much appreciated,

Andrew H. Meador

Comment #162 - Posted by: Andrew H. Meador at September 21, 2007 9:52 AM

Just my 2c, but unless I specifically see "power cleans" I always do full cleans

Comment #163 - Posted by: joshuab at September 21, 2007 9:53 AM

1st time as rx'd with 135#
17:05

Comment #164 - Posted by: jbizzle at September 21, 2007 9:58 AM

I did something a little different today. I did as many reps in 15 minutes. The total using 95lb was 66. I followed this with 45minutes of cardio. 1 hour total workout.

Comment #165 - Posted by: flip at September 21, 2007 10:08 AM

115#
9:05

Comment #166 - Posted by: blackak 34m/165/5-10 at September 21, 2007 10:15 AM

pre-cfwux2, increasing weight cleans & push jerks
wod as rx'd-5:33 power cleans, push jerk to 15 reps then split jerk, 1.5 min.s faster than last time
post-500m row sprint 1:32

Comment #167 - Posted by: Rob Corson at September 21, 2007 10:17 AM

scaled to 121#

Full squat cleans, split jerks.

15:28

Comment #168 - Posted by: ScottH at September 21, 2007 10:18 AM

115# 14:30

Comment #169 - Posted by: ccraft at September 21, 2007 10:25 AM

lack of technique and short achilles tendums
load: 35kg

20 squats(machine) (would have been better with 10 deadlift and 10 squats)
10 presses
10 lunge
10 shrugs

x 3
26.30min

Comment #170 - Posted by: Björn B at September 21, 2007 10:26 AM

"Grace"
135 pound Clean and Jerk(Sub 115lbs), 30 reps

6:54

Comment #171 - Posted by: auroragary at September 21, 2007 10:27 AM

46 / 173

as rx'd Grace-ful (full squat cleans)

11:10 PR by 5:44.

Comment #172 - Posted by: tom perry at September 21, 2007 10:28 AM

first clean/jerk, worked on form:
5 rep/9# bar, 5/45#,5/55#,5/60#,5/65#,5/70#
23 min. slow and light but form was good and i can't believe I C&J'd:)

Comment #173 - Posted by: U'i at September 21, 2007 10:28 AM

5:25 ax rx'ed, (FULL SQUAT CLEANS) far better than 6:31 back in August (with the new baby exhaustion) and a little better than 5:52 from June of 2006.

Really wanted sub-5 but I guess I waited too long between sets. I did 12 straight out of the gate and then did sets of 3's with minimal rest between then I did sets of 2's once I hit 24 so I thought that was a good strategy but this shows that there's no time to waste on Grace.

Comment #174 - Posted by: gaucoin at September 21, 2007 10:29 AM

WOD as rx´d.

Full squat cleans + push jerk.
Divided reps into 10 sets of 3.

Time 19:41.

- OlliS

Comment #175 - Posted by: OlliS at September 21, 2007 10:30 AM

Perhaps the only thing tempering my enthusiasm for CrossFit.com is the occasional posted vitriole, which can be a bit of a bummer when I am checking out how folks' workouts are going. I enjoy political discussion, especially exploration of viewpoints and their underlying assumptions. On the other hand, bullying, name-calling, and pundit-style crosstalk doesn't just "distract," it detracts.

As strongly I believe in the assumptions that underly the CrossFit system, I hesitate to recommend or promote the site based on my interest in total health. Some of the rhetoric I read here may speed the aging process. Some forms of stress produce mental, physical, and emotional adaptation and growth. Other kinds tend to promote illness.

As for the Squat Clean vs. Power Clean debate, there seems to be room for both approaches. Of course there is a big difference between the two, and we should note what we are doing in order to be able to make appropriate comparisons with others or our own performance over time. I'm interested in mastering both lifts, so I plan to do both Power and Squat Graces in the future (recording them as such).

Comment #176 - Posted by: WeemsFit at September 21, 2007 10:31 AM

Nicole: 7:37 Full squat cleans with 75lb

Comment #177 - Posted by: Jeremy and Nicole at September 21, 2007 10:33 AM

25/M/180#

As RX'd: 9:39

Comment #178 - Posted by: Jason Hussey at September 21, 2007 10:33 AM

33/m/189

bike ride for warm-up

as rx'd x 30 w/ 105#s

1.5 mile run to wrap it up

I'm pretty sure all cross fitters are like this but I just feel like pushing it farther and farther each workout, to include adding additional cardio and ab workouts. I'm so freakin siked about this approach to fitness. I can't wait until I can complete all the different lifts to the "T" and the firt time I complete my first unassisted HSPU. I've been CFing now for 3 months and the results are well beyond just looking a feeling good. The addiction I feel is incredible. The anticipation for tomorrow's workout already puts a smile on my face. I can't wait to get back stateside and get more involved. YEAH CF!

Comment #179 - Posted by: Koebbe at September 21, 2007 10:37 AM

32/M/200lbs

CFWU X 2
as rx'd
8:28

Comment #180 - Posted by: Casey at September 21, 2007 10:43 AM

M/36/215

CFWU X2
135# x 7reps then figured out it wasn't happening. Switched to 95#,and completed the WOD in 5:08. Try harder next time...

Comment #181 - Posted by: FFChad at September 21, 2007 10:45 AM

Today's WOD comes after a full week of resting. I don't think the rest helped -- LOL.

Scaled down to 95lbs.

:08::41::20

Comment #182 - Posted by: Andy P/43/188# at September 21, 2007 10:49 AM

m/29/171#/6'

(Power) Grace as Rx'd/135#

7:55

Comment #183 - Posted by: Matt D at September 21, 2007 10:52 AM

33 YOM, 200#

3 rounds of CFWU

Grace as Rx'ed 8:22.

Comment #184 - Posted by: JP at September 21, 2007 10:53 AM

10:29
Used 2 35# DBs.

Comment #185 - Posted by: Jared Zito at September 21, 2007 10:54 AM

Tim: as rx'ed, two hands anyhow

pre: Burgie, fingertip L-pullups, M/U, L-dips, etc.

wod: 3:30 as rx'ed, 29 anyhows and 1 power snatch

post: breathe heavily for several minutes

Comment #186 - Posted by: Tim T at September 21, 2007 10:56 AM

34/M/165lbs

As Rx:

12 minutes flat.

Comment #187 - Posted by: Nicholas at September 21, 2007 11:03 AM

d - 29m/175

4:47 as rx'd (6,6,3,3,3,3,3,3)...back still won't let me really push the tempo as i can't push through any breakdown in technique...looking forward to being 100% again

j - 33f/125

4:27 - 75#

Comment #188 - Posted by: dmarsh at September 21, 2007 11:04 AM

CFWUx3, BW 127

70# squat clean, split jerk

10:22, up from 9:10 with 65# cleans. I wanted to up the weight to 75, but remembered my hideous Diane when I upped it too much, and held back. Probably a good choice. This is a good workout for me, as power is definitely my weakness. Next time, I'll try the 75#.

Comment #189 - Posted by: Sarah at September 21, 2007 11:09 AM

M 48 70" 176

"Grace"

135 pound Clean and Jerk, 30 reps

24:15
------------------------------------
Compare to 070812

32:55

Comment #190 - Posted by: Louis Herrera Jr. at September 21, 2007 11:12 AM

45/f/130
loved this one! First time
95# 26min

Comment #191 - Posted by: gina johnson at September 21, 2007 11:13 AM

37/m/175

still learning so went light and concentrated on form
95#
22 power cleans
8 full cleans
all with split jerk

fun stuff

Comment #192 - Posted by: silence at September 21, 2007 11:14 AM

Second WOD.

9:00 mins

Comment #193 - Posted by: Wes Blevins at September 21, 2007 11:14 AM

Im waiting to see if anyone picked Turkish Get-ups as their "anyhow"

I thought about it, but maybe next time...

Comment #194 - Posted by: Way at September 21, 2007 11:15 AM

22yo 140lbs 5'7"

did 65lbs in 2:44

i'm very new to the whole crossfit methodology, what is the goal here...it feels in my lungs and heart that i got one hell of a metcon burst by doing that weight that quickly, is that what i should be going for, or should have sacrificed time for high weight, or is it really preference and finding a happy middle?

Comment #195 - Posted by: Andrew at September 21, 2007 11:17 AM

28/M/160#

~29 minutes

1-10: 135lb
11-20: 125lb
21-30: 115lb

Wasn't too concerned today with my time. Focused on form and completion.

Comment #196 - Posted by: CFcaymanMD at September 21, 2007 11:17 AM

36 yo male
As rxd from the floor with split jerk which looked crappy but you gotta start somewhere.

135# C&J 4:12:78

Comment #197 - Posted by: milla at September 21, 2007 11:21 AM

49 yrs
6'3" 190 lbs.

135 is heavy for me, but used this weight anyway. Rested some after each rep. 27 minutes.

Comment #198 - Posted by: Michael at September 21, 2007 11:27 AM

All I've got to say is Coach is the man. I aggree wholeheartedly in Crossfit and his view of our world situation,

Grace as RX'ed
3:21

Comment #199 - Posted by: Angel at September 21, 2007 11:28 AM

Did this one w/ 40 kgs & 45# bar (133# total), 30 sec/rep, (15 min) Could have done more weight, or faster pace.

Comment #200 - Posted by: Shawn at September 21, 2007 11:32 AM

Warm-up: Jump rope, Burgener warm-up, air-squating

First "Grace":
95#, power cleans and split jerks

clock stopped at 8:55 around rep 26, finished in around 10:30ish, or so, i think

Warm-down: jump rope and foam roll

Comment #201 - Posted by: Nick E. at September 21, 2007 11:38 AM

27/m/187

6:50

power cleans & jerk at 135#. this is off my PR by 35 sec, but the inside of my elbow has been in extraordinary pain for the past several weeks. thus, i really had to focus on not using my arms during the clean pulls, which i obviously shouldn't be doing anyway. some good may come of not being able to do pull-ups after all.

does anyone else have experience with the so-called "golfer's elbow?" if so, i am curious to know how much strength you lost in your pull-ups and how much time you took off. thanks in advance.

Comment #202 - Posted by: esteban at September 21, 2007 11:38 AM

Andrew - #186,

If you're doing Grace in under 5 minutes, it's a good bet that it's time to increase the weight. Go for 95# next time out. If you're worried about form, practice the C&J at lower intensity/heavier weights b/w now and the next Grace.

Comment #203 - Posted by: PatrickH at September 21, 2007 11:39 AM

40yom/160#
I think that 135 may have been a little on the heavier side since my form is not the greatest. Being stubborn, I gutted it out in 19 min.

Comment #204 - Posted by: mhollis at September 21, 2007 11:43 AM

I always worry about people who aren't able to consider the alternative if they're wrong.

WoD 5 minutes.

Comment #205 - Posted by: conorb at September 21, 2007 11:45 AM

full power clean (with jerk)

TIME - 9:40

first 6 @ 135#, all broken
next 14 @95#, 2 at a time
last 10 @ 65#, straight through

65 is too light but 95 is a bit too much to do rapidly. need to get better form

Comment #206 - Posted by: smithwick's at September 21, 2007 11:46 AM

12:18 with 120#, much slower than last time, so I'll stick with this weight until I get below 10 minutes or so.
34/m/183

Comment #207 - Posted by: Sam L at September 21, 2007 11:49 AM

The pic:

Notice the protesters are waiving American flags and holding up "SUPPORT THE TROOPS END THE WAR" signs. Not one of them appears to be threatening violence towards their opposition.

Think about that when you call them "disgusting."

They don't hate the troops, the country, or freedom. They think the war is wrong for the troops and the country and that it doesn't spread freedom. They are making their voice heard.

That's not "disgusting." It's what makes our country great.

Comment #208 - Posted by: M at September 21, 2007 11:51 AM

"There’s a lot at stake – even politically. Should we, America, civilization, prove victorious, many American’s are going to be widely seen as having been historically, morally, politically, and tactically wrong. These people now need, for their self-image, American defeat complete with the realization of any of the unforeseeable nightmares incumbent in defeat. For this they hope above all else."

I'm not sure who you know or talk to on the left, but this statement strikes me as almost entirely wrong. I don't know what the "bring home the troops" crowd is thinking, their logic escapes me. But to assert that they want more failure and death so that they can feel better about themselves is preposterous.

Comment #209 - Posted by: conorb at September 21, 2007 11:51 AM

M 23 180

6:44 as Rx'ed
full squat clean to overhead lockout

Comment #210 - Posted by: KCFb4 at September 21, 2007 11:51 AM

Angry G -
I'm gonna start logging my times on your site. Do you care if everything is as Rx'd, or are people posting scaled workouts there also? I'm assuming you'd like to keep it as uniform as possible for the purpose of keeping stats.
This is my "off" week, so I did Grace today with only 105#, I'm sure it would have taken me about 3 x that long if I'd used 135#
Let me know...
Tim

Comment #211 - Posted by: Tim Hamilton at September 21, 2007 11:54 AM

51 yom/209
Did squat cleans with split jerks. 95x3, 115x3, 125x3, 135x3, 135x3, 125x3, 125x3, 115x3, 105x3, 105x3. May have actually done 33 reps - I thought I lost count so I did 3 more reps at 105. Form was good at lower weight but bad at higher weights so I pyramided back down to where my form was good.

Comment #212 - Posted by: MikeC at September 21, 2007 11:55 AM

50/195

15:32 as Rx'd. Power cleans and push jerk.

Comment #213 - Posted by: Ben S. at September 21, 2007 11:56 AM

M/22/149 cfwux1

oof! Squat cleans and push/power jerks: 18:50

Comment #214 - Posted by: Y. Zhou at September 21, 2007 12:00 PM

All

I think the rest day discussions are fantastic. In fact, the many well-reasoned posts from the myriad Rightists have certainly caused me to think about things in a different way. Not saying I have changed my core beliefs, just that the discussions have been excellent mental exercises. And I am a person willing to listen to others, and try to understand where they are coming from, try to view the evidence in the way they view it. And I thank everyone for that, it is refreshing and stimulating to see other intelligent people with opposite viewpoints [Appollo, Hari, Cooper, jknl, etc, no disrespect to the Rightists I've left out].

But is this really going to spill onto WOD days, too? My two cents is that I hope not...

Comment #215 - Posted by: bret kleefuss at September 21, 2007 12:02 PM

15:34 135lbs

Comment #216 - Posted by: Nick G. at September 21, 2007 12:02 PM

Please, please tell me that posts were not taken down because someone did not agree with their point of view. I know that they have every right to do so but talk about cowardice, if that was the case.

Comment #217 - Posted by: Chris C at September 21, 2007 12:05 PM

On an unrelated note, the red-headed fellow in the photo is such a hilarious stereotype of a protester that I figure he's UC/infiltrate police.

Comment #218 - Posted by: Coach at September 21, 2007 12:06 PM

36/m/165 - on vacation limited equipment

Grace - 40# dumbell power cleans
5:12

Annie -
13:49

Comment #219 - Posted by: epicurius at September 21, 2007 12:09 PM

42yom / 146

7:36(PR) - 13 seconds off previous attempt.

Should be able to do much better on this. The weight is not the issue. My alergies are making it very difficult to breathe during these MetCon WO's. Hopefully we will have a strength day tomorrow.

Post - Lunging waiter walks with 1 pood overhead, 1 pood swings alternating arm with a release and grab at the top of the swing, L-Hang flutter kicks

Comment #220 - Posted by: mhlane at September 21, 2007 12:17 PM

Did Grace-ful earlier (squat cleans and push jerks) in 6:44. Second half of the experiment was two hands anyhow (has anyone ever needed the reminder to use 2 hands?) in 2:40 for a new pb by 16 secs.

Grace for me will continue to be a double day. They are two individual beasts that I woudln't want to miss out on.

Cheers, kempie

Comment #221 - Posted by: kempie at September 21, 2007 12:20 PM

subbed 90 lbs- 4.07

used 65 lbs last time- 1:52

post:
AMRAP pull-ups -10
50 box jumps- 53 sec

Comment #222 - Posted by: LTP at September 21, 2007 12:21 PM

used 115 pounds as my shoulders are still sore and probably couldn't handle 135#
6:16

Comment #223 - Posted by: gbk at September 21, 2007 12:21 PM

36/M/64kg

8:36 95lbs

Full squat cleans and push press. Right shoulder not liking Jerks.

Comment #224 - Posted by: mrjling at September 21, 2007 12:25 PM

06:56 135# power clean/ push jerk

Comment #225 - Posted by: Mel Jenkins at September 21, 2007 12:25 PM

46 y/o male 152#
6:18 - as rx'd??? I was watch the coach's Q&A video last night and remember his comment about Grace being a get the weight from the floor to above the head 30 times. Therefore I performed it with that intent and did power cleans and a mixture of push presses, push jerks and split jerks to keep the intensity high. Last time focus on form and full cleans and split jerks - 17:53 with plenty of rest.
Post: 50 ghd back ext/50 anchored sit ups straight through followed by a 100m sprint up the driveway at OPT.
Then 1 muscle up (haven't gotten one in awhile and stopped at 1 to finish on a high note)

Comment #226 - Posted by: Intent at September 21, 2007 12:26 PM

1:57
No weights available.
Used 60lb bucket.(All I could find to clean)
Better than nothing.

Comment #227 - Posted by: chris l at September 21, 2007 12:36 PM

115 lbs in 8:24

Comment #228 - Posted by: charley at September 21, 2007 12:40 PM

Age 35
BW 145#

As rx'd:

6:24

Comment #229 - Posted by: Shawn B. at September 21, 2007 12:42 PM

111 lbs. 9:31 (cleans powered)

added additional 10 at 121 lbs. - not timed.

Comment #230 - Posted by: Pierce at September 21, 2007 12:43 PM

49 y/o male my favorite w/o as rx'd 12:12..........god bless our soldiers..thanks for nothing GWBush

Comment #231 - Posted by: freddy at September 21, 2007 12:45 PM

31/m/155
as rx'd 26:01
did failed at 8 attempts. great workout like always.

Thanks for the dialog.Thats whats great about this site. I've been out of the Marine Corps for 8yrs now, was the first to always GET SOME. A practicing muslim now, and husband and father of 4, I love the crossfit community for its honesty and well thought out posts. What we have here is a real blessing! Crossfit brings the best to the table, fitness, political dialog, community, all out intensity...ect. Keep the respect, agree to disagree. Keep pushing and God bless.

Comment #232 - Posted by: Zain at September 21, 2007 12:51 PM

29/M/172lbs

16:42 135lbs

Comment #233 - Posted by: rene at September 21, 2007 12:51 PM

m/18/bwt:155

as rx'd: 7:47

this is really heavy...

Comment #234 - Posted by: Ben CFC at September 21, 2007 12:55 PM

46 196

as rxed 4:19 pr

Comment #235 - Posted by: Kevin McClellan at September 21, 2007 12:56 PM

----"Many of those killed were combatants, and the fact is a country under the sole authority of a man who wants revenge on the West, and which possesses nukes is a threat. He showed every sign of hiding things, and there is every reason to believe that left in power he would have eventually developed those weapons. I see no counter-argument to this that is not also counter-factual."

Well there's at least 70-80,000 civilian deaths in Iraq (iraqbodycount.org). Apparently there were big discrepencies between the IAEA reports on Iraq and the Congressional interpretations of those reports. Just saying. I think yes, the administration got it wrong big time. This doesn't change the currently grim situation in Iraq, however.

----"That guy was almost certainly a Communist. Following WW2, you will recall, the Cold War began, and Russia had long wanted access to a warm water port. The way it works with autocrats you elect, is there are no more elections. And if elections are going to be cancelled anyway, your run of the mill strong man is historically much more likely to respect human rights and eventually bring about liberalization. If you want to talk about the Shah, let's go on to talk about the Islamic Republic, shall we?"

Mossadegh was a nationalist. How does strong man leadership under the Shah better promote human rights and liberalization? Especially without the check of elections? Maybe I'm not reading this correctly.

Comment #236 - Posted by: Ben Moskowitz at September 21, 2007 12:58 PM

46/195
power clean and jerk, sometimes press...it's all good when your tired.....3:40.

Comment #237 - Posted by: andy@CrossFit Charlotte at September 21, 2007 12:59 PM

29/M/180

115#: 7:32

Comment #238 - Posted by: edevine at September 21, 2007 1:03 PM

what does rx'd mean???????????

Comment #239 - Posted by: michael at September 21, 2007 1:17 PM

#129

Sorry for the misunderstanding. What I meant was that most people who post on this site seem to have these beliefs. I personally think all politicians are corrupt to some extent. So, for you to say that this administration is corrupt is probably accurate to some extent (although not necessarily more so than past and future administrations). Unfortunately, the way our system works, I don't think you can get elected as president (or to any other powerful office) without being corrupt in a sense and selling out to the right people. Of course, I don't know President Bush personally and I think very few people can actually say that they know for a fact his true motivations for doing what he is doing (maybe no one else but him does). Without this intimate knowledge I don't think anyone should accuse someone of something on a personal level. I don't really know how a President could perform his job acceptably without keeping some things from the general populace. There is a reason an absolute democracy is not really the best system of government. The herd mentality is not a good thing and inevitably leads to problems when using it to run a government. To conclude, I think politicians by the nature of their jobs have to be somewhat corrupt (or they just wouldn't get elected and probably wouldn't get anything done). I don't have enough information to say President Bush is a morally bad guy (and I don't think you do either). I support the soldiers in Iraq, but the jury is still out for me as to whether the War was justified.

Comment #240 - Posted by: MMalmfeldt at September 21, 2007 1:21 PM

as rx'd = as prescribed

Jeff- w/ 111lbs 9:17
Ben- w/ 90lbs 7:19

Comment #241 - Posted by: Jeff Kolehmainen at September 21, 2007 1:21 PM

27/m/208
strecth and jump rope for warmup

:4::06 as Rx'd

pr for me but if i didnt sleep in till noon and then lay on the couch till 2 then i probably wouldve done better.

Comment #242 - Posted by: BONE at September 21, 2007 1:23 PM

m/34/187/6'

first time as rx'ed
8:08
somewhere between power and squat on the clean

Comment #243 - Posted by: robin finlayson at September 21, 2007 1:23 PM

Throughout our nation's history we have been called to stand up and SPEAK when we think our country is taking the wrong course. Do not blast those who speak against today's mainstream. Do not blast those who do not support the president or an unjust war. It is our duty as Americans to stand up and speak against our government when we feel it is wrong. We do this because our founders tell