May 31, 2007

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Team Silver, Trevor Win'E Memorial Day Workout, CrossFit Santa Cruz - video [wmv] [mov]



"The Subjection of Islamic Women"
, and the fecklessness of American feminism, by Christina Hoff Sommers, Weekly Standard.

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Posted by lauren at May 31, 2007 10:45 AM
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After taking Crossfit's "learn new sports" to heart, I've been away from CF for the last few months after buying myself a shmick new Italian road bike and clocking up 150ks or so a week.

Interspersing that with swimming training once a week, weights and the occasional run, I thought I was going well until I realised:
- I was losing fitness;
- I was losing strength;
- I was getting fatter; and worst of all
- I was getting bored.

So, this morning, I was back in the gym doing Crossfit and I feel like a million bucks.

Hahaha, Crossfit Rocks!

Comment #1 - Posted by: matt townsend at May 30, 2007 7:18 PM

Matt,
I can echo those sentiments loudly. I recently trashed my wrist (non-crossfit related) and had to have surgery. During the recovery I could not do any upperbody training. So I ran a lot and did lunges and sprints, etc. I too lost fitness and got weaker. Now I am slowly returning to the WOD's and loving every painful second of it. Thanks for everything coach, especially the videos lately. They have been just awesome.

Have Fun, Train Hard,
Billy

Comment #2 - Posted by: Billy at May 30, 2007 7:30 PM

Christina Hoff Summers hits pretty hard, I'd say. It is disturbing, at least, that the groups that should be screaming the loudest about the horrors that women in muslim dominated countries are subjected to. Sharia law - not for me.

Comment #3 - Posted by: Schmidty at May 30, 2007 7:32 PM

Admittedly I didn't have time to finish the entire article, but the bottom line for me is that some of the loudest voices on the Left (in this case championing the issue of feminism) so hate America that they can not face the fact that things are exponentially worse in other countries. To admit that would force them to consider that maybe America really isn't the great satan.

Comment #4 - Posted by: Denver Sheepdog at May 30, 2007 7:52 PM

The best video ever. Congratulations!

Comment #5 - Posted by: wink at May 30, 2007 8:18 PM

It's an interesting read and a difficult problem for anyone to address. For the most part the problems addressed by Islamic Feminists and American Feminists are arguably one of degree and not an entirely different issue, but that is analogous to saying that a miniature Poodle is simply a lesser degree of a German Shepherd and not an entirely different animal.

At the core, the similarity is that both groups are calling for a change in their societal system's handling of the differences between men and women. The line drawing problem of course is difficult and hinges on the view of how the current American gender system works. Would a move from a hard-line Islamic traditional system (as described in the article) to one such as we currently have here be a move from bad to good, or simply a move from bad to less bad?

I think that is the underlying problem that is causing the discrepancy discussed in the article; and good luck coming to a consensus on that one.

Comment #6 - Posted by: CPT Eddie at May 30, 2007 8:27 PM

great video

Comment #7 - Posted by: John Messano at May 30, 2007 9:02 PM

> they have never organized a full-scale mobilization against gender oppression in the Muslim world.

Of course not, and i know why! It's because the colored societies are also opressed ones. The real enemy is "western male patriarchy", not "Abdullah the mutilator".

I know it's a free world board, so excuse me for being sarcastic.

Comment #8 - Posted by: epsa at May 30, 2007 9:27 PM

Great video, funny interviews, team silver= bad a**es!!

Comment #9 - Posted by: eva t. at May 30, 2007 9:46 PM

As a Veteran and a current Soldier in the US Army, I would like to say thanks to you all for raising that money and your awesome attitude towards our Service Members.

Comment #10 - Posted by: Willie T at May 30, 2007 10:11 PM

Awesome video!

Comment #11 - Posted by: Matt at May 30, 2007 11:23 PM

Another excellent articulation of modern liberalism cannot reconcile it's own values. It's completely misguided and disfunctional. At an individual level it's akin to a mental disorder at worst and stupidity at best. Unfortunately it scales efficiently into mass delusion.

Comment #12 - Posted by: InfidelSix at May 30, 2007 11:38 PM

The entire mythos of Western feminism is based on a culture of victimhood. With such an underpinning it is essential to their existence that they are always being abused, insulted, offended, affronted - and in the academic world of un-reality all these things become "rape." Feminists are their own worst enemies because they take words like "rape" and "terrorism" and turn them on their heads and shake all the meaning out of their pockets until they are devoid of any real value. Once that happens, it becomes easy for reasonable, rational people not blinded by the ivory whiteness of academia to disregard them for being - dare I say - hysterical. Of course they have to do that because their condition here in America is amazingly equitable. If we brought the true plight of abused women in truly misogynistic cultures to the public eye, they would be exposed for the pampered whiners they really are.

I am a scientist and a physician, so I have been in the academic world. I am also a military officer, so I have seen reality up close and personal with all its danger and hate and blood and love and justice and mercy and compassion. I am also a born again, pretty solidly fundamental Bible-believing Christian. I love my wife and respect her, and other women, far more now than before I was a Christian. She is of equal worth to me before God. She will not serve me in heaven the way the Muslim believes but we will worship God together as equally valued bearers of His image and likeness. However, here and now, we have different roles and that means different authority and responsibility.

In reality, not in the psychological literature, there are real differences between men and women that play out in the marketplace as well as the battlefield. There, there is no room for victimhood as a world view. In the real world, people who think and act and talk like victims, well, you guessed it, they become victims because there are evil people - men and women - in the world who will victimize them. Evil is real. Right and wrong are real, and you can’t educate away evil. You can, however, by the grace of God, stop it, either by the miraculous work of the Holy Spirit or the mundane work of human justice. Female genital mutilation is evil. Spraying acid on a woman’s face is evil. But here in our enlightened America, we can easily and legally kill the most at-risk and unprotected women of all, the unborn girl in her mother’s womb. How’s that for reasonable?

Comment #13 - Posted by: RecOnifer at May 31, 2007 12:12 AM

Sorry couldn't rest:
X3 for time -
400 M sprint
10 1 pood KB swings
10 DB push press 25#
10 OH squats 45#
5 wtd pull ups (25#)
5 Turkish get-ups (25# in honor of a civilized Muslim country)

See 070408

Comment #14 - Posted by: RecOnifer at May 31, 2007 12:16 AM

Oh, yeah, the time - 23:56

Comment #15 - Posted by: RecOnifer at May 31, 2007 12:19 AM

Tony Budding,

Beautiful video!!!

What a great cross-section of Americans who supported our troops. Raising that kind of money is HUGE!

And in addition to that...you really need to be commended on this years video's and pic's. I'm telling you firsthand that all of our clients, at each location comment on the masterful quality and informative lessons learned from watching both proper and improper form, lifting techniques, and general instruction. What a huge learning tool to showcase exercise.

Next step is Hollywood Tony!

Thanks for all you do for us CrossFit affiliates.

Comment #16 - Posted by: matt hunt at May 31, 2007 1:46 AM

Awesome video!! You just have to love the Crossfit community. I did see a great idea in the vid for a new T-shirt for the CF store: "Finishing together . .. "

I'm at the end of a 3-week active rest cycle. I'll hit the WODs again starting TUE. I've been doing the CFWU and some swimming and it's killing me. I cannot break myself out of the habit of looking up the WOD in the morning.

Well done on the Memorial Day fundraiser. Thank you for what you do. Thank you for your selflessness. CF is truely a fist class organization.

Comment #17 - Posted by: Scotty McC at May 31, 2007 2:42 AM

First off, let me give my warmest and sincerest congratulations to all those that raised money and participated in the Trevor Win'E fundraiser. The video was awesome! And I am sure that all the affiliates that hosted that event at their place had great success as well. And as a person currently serving on active duty, please let me take the time to say thank you to all of you that remember and recognize those that have made the ultimate sacrifice, and those that are currently serving in nasty places right now. My hats off to you all, and to all the men and women of the armed forces. Thank you all for all that you do.

Comment #18 - Posted by: Chris Stowe at May 31, 2007 2:59 AM

# 13

Extremely well said.

ok heres my anti feminist rant...There is this thing in America where somewhere along the line women convinced men to be more like women. Its done nothing but begin to destroy society leaving both men and women confused about everything from their sexuality to how to act in the work place. This confusion, fueled by victimhood, I believe is what leads feminists to draw these conclusions. Conclusions like comparing throwing acid in an unveiled face in Africa to a women not allowed into a country club in Georgia. I dont try and work out at "Curves" and then sue when they tell me its only for women. Back to victimhood, Feminists need women to feel like victims. They need women to be victims so that they feel helpless and need someone to help them (all under the guise of empowerment mind you). Enter the articulate, well read, and strong talking feminist nut job. These people want to convince women to stop being bossed around by men and start being bossed around by them. In the article, look how quickly the feminists disowned their fellow writers when their opinion began to differ. I hope that I am not overstepping my bounds talking about problems with feminism not being female. Ive had this debate with my wife I dont know how many times. Bottom line, women be feminine its doesnt make you less strong. Men be men, drink beer, go hunting, and get in a bar fight once in youre life, it doesnt make you an oppressive male shovenous pig. This is who we are.

Comment #19 - Posted by: JamestheRed at May 31, 2007 3:25 AM

well said number 13..I wrote bit echoing what you wrote but it doesnt look like it went through.

Comment #20 - Posted by: JamestheRed at May 31, 2007 3:31 AM

Anyone recognize the lower back pads used in the video? Manufacturer and link if you have them, please. Thanks.

Comment #21 - Posted by: Geoff B at May 31, 2007 3:59 AM

Belay my last...I found it in the FAQ.

Comment #22 - Posted by: Geoff B at May 31, 2007 4:02 AM

Couldnt rest today either so I hit up one I missed. Did Lynne this morning. 5 sets of max BP at BW and max reps of PU's. Will probably regert it tomorrow.

BP - 185lb 16,13,12,11,9
PU - 25,22,20,16,20

Comment #23 - Posted by: Chris Stowe at May 31, 2007 4:22 AM

Matt Swift, thoughts on Tom Peters on Affiliates Blog.

Comment #24 - Posted by: bingo at May 31, 2007 4:31 AM

Test.

Comment #25 - Posted by: bingo at May 31, 2007 4:31 AM

Alternative viewpoint:

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/05/when_did_american_feminists_st.php

Summary:

The "The Subjection of Islamic Women" article is BS.

Comment #26 - Posted by: NW at May 31, 2007 4:44 AM

LOVE THE VIDEO!!! Now did the commentators get some as well!!!

Comment #27 - Posted by: John Velandra at May 31, 2007 4:54 AM

Our founding fathers did not think far enough ahead. They created a system of government that did not account for lobbyists, political action committees, or even career politicians. They hoped that strong men (and eventually women, though in 1787 it was still an all-boys club) of character would come to govern from all walks of life. Farmers, bankers, lawyers, tradesmen...as the founders themselves were...would leave their chosen professions for a period to serve their government by representing their friends, family, and neighbors. They would GET THE JOB DONE! And once the job, whatever the challenge happened to be, was complete, they returned to their previous lives.

This article is a commentary on what has gone wrong with the political system. Names and careers are built on rhetoric. Career politicians on both sides of the aisle justify their existence by "exposing" problem after problem, mustering armies of supporters to fight "the great injustice" and promising sweeping change and reform. Except they never DO anything. Their tools and methods are insidious.

As the article demonstrates, real problems are never addressed head on. Why? Because if career politicians faced real crisis (like the oppression of women outlined in the article) one of two outcomes are inevitable 1) they do nothing to effect change and are exposed for the frauds they are, or 2) they have to do real, hard work.
Career politicians aren't interested in doing hard work and getting the job done because its difficult to get re-elected without a crusade to champion.

There are certainly politicians, activists, and lobbyists who are truly interested in serving the good of society. It is unfortunate that the self-righteous and self-important stand so firmly in the way of real reform and real progress. I so enjoyed the article for revealing "the machine" for what it is...a propeganda mechanism that serves the leaders of so-called rights movements, rather than a true proponent of the masses it espouses to liberate.

I have served in the Horn of Africa and can attest to the attrocities and oppression detailed in the article. In my experience, education seemed to be the key to open-mindedness and a willingness to eschew extremism. Want to make a difference? Support organizations promoting education in underdeveloped parts of the world. Enlightenment quickly erodes away the fanatic tenets and dogma that keep women so oppressed in so many corners of the world.

Comment #28 - Posted by: Tim G at May 31, 2007 5:15 AM

NW #22,

Your "alternative viewpoint", by pointing to TWO feminists websites that endorse "standing" with women in Afghanistan and "helping" those in Iran, fails spectacularly at refuting Ms. Sommers thesis.

If this is representative of the feminist outcry then Mr. Yglesias' has delivered powerful evidence for the proposition he only obliquely and sarcastically chides. Silence would be the more effective counterpoint.

Comment #29 - Posted by: Coach at May 31, 2007 5:25 AM

I don't know what made me do it but I looked up Jack Lalane in the Wikipedia. Check out some of his feats of endurance from the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_lalane

Comment #30 - Posted by: Andy W. at May 31, 2007 5:39 AM

This article seems more interested in dismissing the efforts of US feminists than actually doing something to aid Muslim women. Does Sommers really think that picketing here in the US is going to do much to affect lives over there? That lobbying for economic sanctions will change deeply rooted religious notions of a woman's place in society? Should we go "bring" them some gender equality the way we're "bringing" democracy to Iraq, at gunpoint? It's a matter of public record that our government has, since the 1950s, systematically undermined and destroyed the sorts of progressive, modernizing secular political organizations in Arab countries that might actually begin to bring some justice and equality to women in the Middle East from within, while giving aid to reactionary fundamentalists whenever it seemed to help further our influence on the region.

To dismiss the work we still need to do in this country, where 1 in 3 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime, and 1 in 5 physically battered by her partner, is to make a sad error.

Comment #31 - Posted by: SteveM at May 31, 2007 5:55 AM

Howdy,
Work
{MUx1 (bar; regular, thumbless grip); DB swingx3 (40#er's); and trot 270'}x24.
Duration 27:55.
Bdw. 83kg...

Comment #32 - Posted by: Jonathan Jensen at May 31, 2007 6:04 AM

What is this artical talking about?

Men in the Islamic World LOVE women. They think every man should have atleast 3!

Comment #33 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 31, 2007 6:10 AM

That video put a big smile on my face. Nice work.

Comment #34 - Posted by: Brett_nyc at May 31, 2007 6:26 AM

Again this falls on the inalienable rights mantal.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. If your culture does not charish these, then there is going to be a serious disconnect between your culture and the tenets of Western Civilization.

The feminism issue is another rehash of activist-left types, pulling punches against people that would kill them.

Whether Amnesty International, NOW, Code Pink, etc., if they think you will kick down their door and rough them up, then they wont speak up. They are the loudest dog on the block when they are safe in their fenced in yard, but open the gate and they urinate on themselves.

They are not warriors, nor patriots. They are activists who take avantage of their security blanket to snap at the ankles of those that ensure they have that blanket.

Oh, so easy to lie about VP Chenney and SECDEF Rumsfeld and scream "Torture", yet not a word about the 42 IRAQIs found tortures in an Al Queada camp. None.

Our Service Personnel care more about the rights of Women in the Islamic world than these people do.

Back to the point, this issue is directly connected to our security. Liberty and security go hand-in-hand. Sometimes one must sacrifice one to an extent to beef up another, but in the truest sense thay are symbiotic. I can see no better way to fix Islamofascism than to force the issue of liberty for women.

Big Stick Doctrine.

"You lay a hand on her again, you will be lucky to ever use it again." Whack! The Sheepdogs are the only ones that can fix this, not the activists. However, it would be nice to have them on our side for once.

Comment #35 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 31, 2007 6:28 AM

Two of the three organizations mentioned in the text, NOW and the Ms. Foundation, don't claim to be interested in anything out of the US. Why would they mention anything outside of their mission on their website? The third is a research organization that publishes a bunch of reports that you have to pay for so I can't address that.

You can find people in any movement saying things that are way out there. The feminist movement is no different. There are a lot of people addressing a problem and a few hysterical ones saying ridiculous things.

The US is not a perfect society (although it is the best) and there will always be people trying to tweak things to their favor. Is it so hard to ignore the whacko feminists and only pay attention to people making valid points about how we can change to make our society better?

I told my wife about the topic today and she told me to "stick to your knitting" meaning stick to guy things and don't worry about the details of how women are trying to help women.

Last point is that I have daughters and I care a whole lot more about whether they get paid fairly and live free of harassment than I do about a bunch of women halfway around the world.

Comment #36 - Posted by: JPW at May 31, 2007 6:32 AM

I Missed the sprint WOD so I did it this morning.

Me: 40yo/M/5'10"/190lbs

CSWU 3sets/15reps per set

Ten 100 meter sprints

Best: 16.42
Worst: 19.70

Have Fun, Train Hard,
Billy

Comment #37 - Posted by: Billy at May 31, 2007 6:56 AM

Story about Crossfit in today's "Chicago Tribune" for anyone in the area that is interested.

Comment #38 - Posted by: gamb at May 31, 2007 7:51 AM

Here is the link to the Chicago Tribune artical if interested.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/premium/printedition/Thursday/atplay/chi-0531_g_crossfitmay31,1,3181869.story

Comment #39 - Posted by: mhlane at May 31, 2007 8:18 AM

Some more thoughts on my previous post (#26):

Yglesias's post is rather poor, but the comments reveal a more nuanced debate. People on that forum tend to be more 'liberal' than here, so adjust your expectations accordingly to filter out the noise.

Further research shows a number of feminists (at least they seem to identify as such) concerned with issues in Iraq and Afghanistan. For example, this search will turn up a load of links on a recent issue concerning a female Afghan member of parliament:

http://www.google.com/search?q=feminism+malalai+joya

So I think the original article choose its sources carefully to present its particular thesis, namely:

"... contemporary American feminism ... is ... antagonistic toward the United States, agnostic about marriage and family, hostile to traditional religion, and wary of femininity"

while ignoring much evidence to the contrary.

By way of analogy, it is as if the author went to the local big box gym and said "contemporary fitness training concentrates on isolated movements with little carry over to situations outside the gym". We know that is true of some training programs, but not of them all!

Comment #40 - Posted by: NW at May 31, 2007 8:24 AM

All CrossFit Affiliates should stand proud for their help and support this Memorial Day. All told we all raised nearly $25K for cooling vests for the american heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I was lucky enough to spend Memorial day with my family and co-workers at Orange County Fire HQ raising money for the heroes. I was also lucky enough to share the day with Debi Win'E and her family in honor of her son and his sacrifice he made to the country. The reason I was able to enjoy the day as a free american was because of the sacrifice we were honoring and remembering.

Thank you for all the support with this fundraiser. Thanks Coach Glassman for honoring Trevor's name with the workout you penned in his name. Thank you Nicole for helping secure sponsorships. Thank you Ronnie for putting together a very successful Memorial Day fundraiser at CrossFit HQ (the mecca of elite fitness). And thank you to all affiliates who stood up to help and assist in the name of an american hero Trevor A. Win'E.

Comment #41 - Posted by: Jeff in OC at May 31, 2007 8:44 AM

What kind of times did the teams have for the team WOD shown in the video?

Comment #42 - Posted by: TJ at May 31, 2007 9:10 AM

what an inspirational video! keep it up CrossFit team!

Comment #43 - Posted by: cletus at May 31, 2007 9:20 AM

Yesterday, after the regular WOD, I fashioned a hybrid workout from two recent WOS's: 135# dlx10, 50# pullupx5-number of rounds in 20 minutes. I got 6. A smoker. BTW, great video. It makes me proud to be both an American and part of CF. Way to go, everyone!

Comment #44 - Posted by: john wopat at May 31, 2007 9:28 AM

posted wrong email on previous post

The article is just the tail of a much larger animal.

There is a "special rights" group for every segment of American society save Caucasian, straight, males that work and therefore make too much to receive any government funded "help".

This gig with the women's groups is the same blah, blah, blah over and over again.

Consider the facts, we have a country where:

o Everyone is a victim
o Nobody takes responsibility for their actions
o Most people are moral relativists (believing right and wrong springs from their own mind/heart)
o Courts side with illegal aliens over law enforcement
o Professors teach racism against Caucasian males
o Everyone is afraid to speak their mind
o No on can criticize blacks
o No one can criticize Mexicans
o No one can criticize homosexuals
o No one can criticize single mothers
o No one can criticize Muslims
o No one can criticize poor people (unless they are white)
o No one can criticize Native Americans (or any indigenous group)
o If a crime is committed Caucasian on black, it’s a hate crime
o If the other way around, “there is no conclusive evidence that it was inspired by hate”
o The media is literally insane
o “Justice” equals stealing from those who have worked hard and giving to those that haven’t.
o Generations are being raised on pornography
o 50% of kids watch their parents divorce
o Kids are raised with one parent, and we are told that is “just fine”
o We have increasing obesity and nonsocial behavior among kids
o Gambling is on the rise
o Sports have replaced God for many
o TV is watched 6 hours a day
o Not one law has ever actually been made to “decrease taxes”
o Our government is ballooning in size
o The vast majority of the world would silently (or openly) rejoice when America gets destroyed
o Firefighters are told they cannot say, “OK Ladies, let go” because that is sexual discrimination
o Universities teach students to hate America
o We have decrease our funding to the military to astonishing rates
o Our military is spread thin
o 50% of Americans can trace their paycheck back to the government
o If both spouses are from divorced parents, they are three times more likely to divorce, than if both spouses’ parents had stayed together.
o The median age of marriage is almost 30.
o Cowardice is applauded
o Warriors are distained
o Killing evil people is shamed
o We secretly applaud Islamic radicals because they believe in “something”
o We are divided by race
o We don’t attend church
o We don’t believe in God
o We worship ourselves
o We love money
o And our greatest insanity, we think all cultures are equal

Comment #45 - Posted by: tmhowleii at May 31, 2007 9:33 AM

"Sharia law - not for me"
Jeez...you folks need to recognize that brutality against women in muslim countries is not dictated by Sharia Law. Its brutality against women that happens to take place in muslim countries. If imbeciles like to excuse their violence by pointing to Islamic law that's their own issue. Violence against women is rampant in those parts of the world as an artefact of tradition and precedent. The reason local muslim governments and NGO's don't fight this kind of oppression more vehemently (although they certainly are not sitting idly) is because developing nations have other more pressing issues to deal with.

"The US is not a perfect society (although it is the best)"
Ugh, give me break, why do so many Americans think ethnocentrism equates to patriotism? It's nauseating, get over yourselves.

Comment #46 - Posted by: jintachi at May 31, 2007 9:35 AM

jintachi,

People arn't jumping on rafts to escape to Cuba. How many people do you see trying to "escape" America. Just use your common sense.

And spare us your $10 words, they're not worth much.

Comment #47 - Posted by: zag at May 31, 2007 9:49 AM

Cross Fitters-
I am out of the country for the next three weeks and the "gyms" at the hotels consist of a treadmill and a lat pull down machine. Does anyone have some good ideas about body weight work outs or exercises that could help me remain on track while I am away?
Gracias for the help.

Comment #48 - Posted by: Chris at May 31, 2007 9:50 AM

jintachi,

People are not jumping on rafts escaping too Cuba. How many people do you see trying to "escape" America. Just use your common sense.

And spare us your $10 words, they're not worth much. If you want to critizise “something- centrism”, why don’t you critizize people who cut “infidel’s” heads off.

Comment #49 - Posted by: zag at May 31, 2007 9:54 AM

The article is interesting, but it is designed to diminish the work of people working on women's equality in America. If you are looking for a good book connecting education, education of women in oppressed cultures and how education can slow terrorism read "Three Cups of Tea". Greg Mortenson is a climber who built many schools for girls in Afganistan and Pakistan. What an amazing impact he had on these people.

Rick M

Comment #50 - Posted by: Richard at May 31, 2007 10:15 AM

“Would a move from a hard-line Islamic traditional system (as described in the article) to one such as we currently have here be a move from bad to good, or simply a move from bad to less bad?” (#6, CPT Eddie)

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.” (Winston Churchill)

The same could be said about democracy’s treatment of women.

Can anyone argue that the gains yet to be realized by women living in (an imperfect) democracy are anything but small when compared to the gains to be realized by women who move from Islamic oppression to democracy?

Surely feminists should care about all women, but especially about those women who suffer the worst.

Comment #51 - Posted by: Hari at May 31, 2007 10:42 AM

Coach, I just saw the video, crossfitter's are the best. Thanks for your continued support.

Have Fun, Train Hard,
Billy

Comment #52 - Posted by: Billy at May 31, 2007 11:15 AM

###########Question for the group############
I routinely do situp workouts after the WOD, however my abs have NEVER been so sore the day after I completed the sprint WOD this week. I wasn't aware that sprinting worked abs and I didn't feel like I was using them during the workout. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Comment #53 - Posted by: navafit at May 31, 2007 11:44 AM

okay, something interests me about our comment board today... i believe i am the first woman to comment. which surprises me, seeing that everyday i am inspired, encouraged and entertained by the strong women of CF...

first off, i love this country and feel quite lucky for all the freedoms that i am allowed. i also love and respect men. mutual respect and the desire to achieve/overachieve was instilled in me by my parents. i work at a university and am around a younger generation of women everyday. what impresses me is that these women have no concept of the struggles of my mother. i am only loosely aware of that environment. how far we have come!

for those of you that get all twisted about modern feminist group, you understand you are worried about an extremist group, right? they do not represent the mainstream of american women. i am so proud to see ad campaigns called "real beauty" by dove and "strong=beautiful" by nike (i think). strong, athletic female models are starting to dominate activewear commercials and campaigns. perhaps i am just seeing what i want to see, but hell, its out there! the true money is not in the extreme feminism. however, it is their right to speak their opinions in our country, and while i disagree with what they say, i love that they are free to say it.

also, what i took from that article was how impressive the grassroots feminist movements are -- against some truly horrifying consequences. the human spirit never ceases to amaze me. but yes, as TimG and others have said, the way to cure this and other problems is through education. doesn't it make sense that some societal problems/disparities/injustices would go away if you educate 1/2 of your population?

Comment #54 - Posted by: colleen at May 31, 2007 11:46 AM

Rick M # 50,
Nice post...I feel you have your thinking cap on!

I also thank you for offering an alternate read that has something positive to address or say as opposed to the "lump and bash method" of the article itself.

Thanks Again,
Ricky

Comment #55 - Posted by: ricky at May 31, 2007 12:07 PM


Forgot to say thanks to coach!!!

Thanks Coach...

ricky

Comment #56 - Posted by: ricky at May 31, 2007 12:14 PM

With school coming to an end, I can now start a 3-1 workout schedule. However, I'm also starting this cycle one day ahead of CF; maybe I'll fix it sometime later when I feel I need extra rest.

21-15-9 reps for time:
- pistols (alternating legs)
- strict pull-ups
- burpees
Time: 16:03

The pistols were all done straight through. The pull-ups were broken into 5's or 7's at first, then 2-4's. This was the first time I had EVER done burpees, and they are hard!

Any comments on how "good" this workout is are appreciated.


Re: #45
That list is completely correct. Unless America's society, especially the youth and 'pop culture,' shapes up soon, this country is screwed.

I'd almost find it funny if I weren't an American.

Comment #57 - Posted by: Patrick Donnelly at May 31, 2007 1:16 PM

The movie finished buffering.

Very nice.

Comment #58 - Posted by: Patrick Donnelly at May 31, 2007 1:29 PM

RecOnifer, #13: Well said, ditto...

Comment #59 - Posted by: FireSmac at May 31, 2007 1:32 PM

Navafit...
I too am extremely sore in the ab area.
Even to touch my ribs is a little painfull.
I was wondering if it was the OHS's, but now i'm thinking that you might be right about the sprints causing it.
Feels good though :)

Comment #60 - Posted by: james at May 31, 2007 1:48 PM

colleen said "you understand you are worried about an extremist group, right? they do not represent the mainstream of american women."

Yes, that is probably true, but like so many others with radical agendas (i.e., homosexuals, militant atheists) they occupy the academia and seek to instill their radical views in our youth, all the way down to the grade school age.

Comment #61 - Posted by: RecOnifer at May 31, 2007 2:09 PM

unpleasantly surprised how many of these posts are focusing on the shortcomings of the american feminist movement. to me, at least, the far more interesting topic is what can be done to help women who are subjected to honor killings, genital mutilation, being treated like property, etc. (i have no idea if american feminists really "hate america" or not, but wonderfully enough, our country is set up so they can do that. it's part of our strength.)

so my question for the group: what steps could american feminists (or americans in general) take to help women (islamic or otherwise) suffering under regimes which don't recognize their basic human rights? is protest enough? how effective were the anti-apartheid protests the weekly standard article references? and here's something else--i read an essay just this morning in the new republic suggesting that our "support" of the iranian dissident movement only makes things harder for actual dissidence. apparently our money draws the attention of the iranian government where the dissidents would prefer it is not drawn, and our words alienate both the polity the dissidents represent and the polity ourselves. (nothing says all liberty-seeking people have to embrace america or all american values.) is there the potential for a parallel issue?

Comment #62 - Posted by: nick at May 31, 2007 2:28 PM

The Josh Everett trained UC Riverside baseball team won the Big West conference and is headed to the Tempe regional where they are seeded 2nd behind host Arizona State. Go get 'em guys!

Comment #63 - Posted by: john wopat at May 31, 2007 2:45 PM

I think the basic problem is easily dissected with rudimentary logic and observation. Multiculturalism is based on the premise that no premise or group stands in qualitative superiority to any other. Not giving women equal rights violates this premise, which is the basis for feminist outrage.

However, logically, this premise must be subordinate to itself to be of general utility, and therein arises the contradiction and problem. Essentially, this root belief is posited within the basic framework of confusion I described on the last Rest Day. Being a negative belief--no one can stand above anyone else, but we can't tell anyone where to stand, or where one ought to want to stand--it consists purely in reaction to people who do in fact posit positive beliefs, such as the Enlightenment ideal of generalized human rights.

That the women in Muslim countries are no different in principle than women here is obvious, if one considers human rights in a positive manner, i.e. women are entitled everywhere to a certain level of respect and dignity, with the details varying by location, but not the importance of this.

I realized several months ago that the primary reason that Leftists are lacking in a sense of measure and proportion, why they are unable to meaningfully differentiate genital mutilation by force, and genital sculpting as a luxury of the wealthy and self indulgent, is they have no basis of comparison. There is no benchmark, no ruler, no principle where they can say "This is the principle, and here is where you stand."

It's an always evolving mix of stupid ideas, arising from a need for change for change' sake, and rejecting--ironically, as a matter of principle--all formal principles.

And that, my friends, is how I believe this stupidity comes about.

Comment #64 - Posted by: Barry Cooper at May 31, 2007 3:57 PM

Great Video!!

Took several days off, looking forward to the next WOD

Comment #65 - Posted by: BWoods at May 31, 2007 4:02 PM

Howdy,
Extra Work ALL WEIGHT IN KILOS
{PS 50x1x5, 60x1x2, 70x1x2; PCJ 70x1x3, 90x1x2; RDL 140x3, 180x3 (w/straps)}.
Bdw. 83kg...

Comment #66 - Posted by: Jonathan Jensen at May 31, 2007 4:54 PM

Day behind. Ystd WOD, details posted there. 16:33

Comment #67 - Posted by: bingo at May 31, 2007 4:57 PM

THE. BEST. VIDEO. YET!!!!!

Great job Tony, and to all the athletes who participated in this fundraiser, thanks for your stalwart support!

Comment #68 - Posted by: Matt Shatzkin at May 31, 2007 5:11 PM

There's a reason people of a certain ilk are relativists. It's because if you don't ever take a firm position on anything you can never be wrong; thus your fragile (yet huge) ego need never be bruised.

Comment #69 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 31, 2007 5:21 PM

#13 - couldn't agree more.

I like the quote CCTJOEY used, "They are the loudest dog on the block when they are safe in their fenced in yard, but open the gate and they urinate on themselves."

#65 - I wonder why you say, "a certain level of respect." Does respect now come in levels? Are we now saying that humans based on sex, age, class, position, LOCATION are entitled to different levels of respect? That right there proves the point, that it shouldn't matter, period. Human rights are HUMAN rights. HUMAN applies to each and every HUMAN: born, unborn, old, young, male, female, different skin color, different creed. All human. I have a principle, a ruler. Treat everyone like you would want to be treated. Instead of making LABELS for each and every person, why not treat them like a HUMAN for once? (BTW I know what you meant, I'm just arguing the point that even wording it that way insinuates difference.)

Comment #70 - Posted by: gdmv at May 31, 2007 6:21 PM

28/F/105#

tomorrow is my rest day

CFWUx2
burgener WUx3

5x5 deadlift

145x5, 160x5, 170x5, 170x5, 170x5

5x5 clean and jerk

65x5, 65x5, 65x5, 75x5, 75x5

Comment #71 - Posted by: nadia shatila at May 31, 2007 6:28 PM

30 yom/175#

2 x waterskiing (slalom)
1 x tubing

looking forward to tomorrow with sore lake muscles.

Comment #72 - Posted by: Chris at May 31, 2007 6:47 PM

I played touch football 2 nights ago for the first time in about a year. I used to play and just got absolutely knackered by it, but the other night i didnt even get that tired. Crossfit is great.

Thanks

Comment #73 - Posted by: Henry at May 31, 2007 7:00 PM

I couldn't rest when I saw this one!
This was absolutely disgusting.
I feel like a car was dropped ontop of me, and then a house ontop of the car.

400m Sprint
25 Cleans (135x10, 125x10, 115x5)
50 Push Ups
50 Sit Ups
400m Sprint
25 Bench Press (180x10, 175x10, 170x3, 165x2)
50 Squats
50 Back Extensions
400m Sprint
25 Deadlifts (270x10, 260x5, 255x5, 250x2, 245x2, 240x1)
50 Pull Ups
50 Burpees

Death to Steel City Crossfit for this masterpiece!!!

Comment #74 - Posted by: Mark G at May 31, 2007 7:15 PM

Has anyone seen "Helen"? How about "Linda"? I miss those two girls... I am thinking of starting my own program where I just alternate between "Helen" and "Linda"...one hell of a threesome, no?

Comment #75 - Posted by: Andre at May 31, 2007 7:47 PM

Why hasn't the US ratified the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)? Unless I missed it, the author of the feminism article never mentions it. I'm honestly not familiar with the issue; it sounds like as good a place as any to start, but it seems to have been pushed aside by the US Senate for several years. Does the US view it as meaningless? Are US feminists pushing the issue at all?

(Sorry - long url - should all be on one line but I broke it into two):

http://www.amnestyusa.org/Womens_Human_Rights/
About_the_Treaty/page.do?id=1021184&n1=3&n2=39

Comment #76 - Posted by: mark at May 31, 2007 8:46 PM

Did yesterday's WOD again today, results posted there.

Thanks for the video, Coach.

Colleen-
I agree with you that more women should have voiced their opinion about this article and/or other feminist issues. This was the perfect oppurtunity to do it. I, too, believe that the young women of American today don't understand all that went on with the feminist movement of the late 60's and 70's. I talk with my daughter about it and some of her friends trying to educate them in how things were and how things are now, and also how things are for women in other countries. They need to understand and to not take for granted their liberties that they have.


NOW is an extremist movement and they leave a bad taste in my mouth. They have lost sight of any glimer of what they should be for. Just because I am a woman does not mean that I support their type of movement. Once again Colleen was right on.

I believe that men must be taught by other men how to treat their (or any) women if there is to ever be any end to women being objectified or abused.

Kate

Comment #77 - Posted by: jknl at May 31, 2007 9:14 PM

10 Rounds
15 Deadlifts #135
15 Push ups

12:45

Comment #78 - Posted by: Jeff at May 31, 2007 9:43 PM

10 rounds
15x 95# Deadlift
15x Push Ups

Round 1-3 standard pushups
Round 4-7 Half the push ups on a tractor tire
round 8-10 All push ups on the tire.

24:48

by comparison I did
10 rounds
10x75# DL
15xPushups

in 37:08 on year ago. :blink: That's almost twice the weight moved in Deadlifts. My pushups number are a sticking point to me. I went to a tire to keep up the pace.


CrossFit Rocks

Comment #79 - Posted by: Laurar at May 31, 2007 9:58 PM

Did "Lynne" today

39yom 5'8" 180#s

180# Bench press
BP/PU
18/20
14/16
11/15
7/13
9/17

Total 140 reps

Comment #80 - Posted by: Chuck Goodman at May 31, 2007 10:12 PM

The moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the US feminist movement was demonstrated by their essentially uwavering support for Bill "you might want to put some ice on that" Clinton, a serial womanizer, accused rapist, a guy with 24/7 Bimbo Eruption Team whose job it was to cajole, bribe, threaten or destroy any of the girls who might talk.

Feminism is marxism in drag. Focusing on the subjugation of women in Muslim countries would be a distraction from its real purpose, which is power, and not the liberation of women.

Comment #81 - Posted by: Harry MacD at June 1, 2007 5:07 AM

bs 315
sp 135
dl 315
total 795
+ 65 lbs

Comment #82 - Posted by: shane at June 1, 2007 4:55 PM

I agree with the likely sensationalism of American feminists in their discussion of U.S. domestic issues. However, this is not to say that they have invalid points or that their is no problem to address. It seems like that the perception that American feminists are too sensational sort of correlates with their more radical position. While Iranian women are calling for fundamental human rights, American women (er, feminists) want more equitable economic and social rights. Human rights atrocities and political rights violations are almost a non-issue.
So, there's certainly a different scope of problems in each country. Iranian women have tougher problems, and given the current repressive climate, I would say they don't have the option of demanding for equality in everything. They are throwing the first stones back (I think, not sure on the developments).
Anyway, a comparatively more "moderate" women's movement in Muslim countries is probably more palatable to the U.S. public compared to American Feminism.

Of course, there's some real explaining to do on the part of American feminists groups. Clearly, more serious atrocities should be given a much higher priority. "Nitpicking" over women not receiving promotions or equal pay in the U.S. does kind of pale in comparison to complete suppression of political, economic, and social rights in some Muslim countries.

--Comment 13--
...Evil is real. Right and wrong are real, and you can’t educate away evil...
...our enlightened America, we can easily and legally kill the most at-risk and unprotected women of all, the unborn girl in her mother’s womb. How’s that for reasonable?
--------------

This I disagree with. This viewpoint tries to fight one fundamentalist ideology with another. It further elevates the U.S. as "enlightened," even in an ironic tone. Not a recipe for positive change.


BTW, how come Crossfit pulls it's articles from right-leaning mags and stuff?

Comment #83 - Posted by: Ben M. at June 2, 2007 11:12 AM

35/195

(combined the last 3 days to catch up)
5 rds:

115# OS x 5
40# PU x 5
.10 mi sprint
20# wallball x 25
400m row

40:19

Comment #84 - Posted by: Trooper at June 2, 2007 1:45 PM

test

Comment #85 - Posted by: Grendel at July 7, 2007 7:51 AM

Another factor that gives me a unique perspective is that I live my life close to the land. ,

Comment #86 - Posted by: Wolf86 at October 22, 2009 12:10 PM

002747.. Not so bad :)

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