WHEW!

Brendan,

You're the man!

As Rx'd...

...all day

Now add a pic of me below and lets see what the next caption would say...hmm...Brendan may have hamstrings that are stronger than Zach's but get a load of this nut Florsie she hasnt quite got her feet off the ground long enough to say what degree they actually reached...LOL...I am envious and cant wait till I can do that YEAH BOYYYYY!

what a great tool.

I wouldn't take that if I was you Zach...

Anyways, I'm still really happy that I can do a 1-legged squat anytime I want...

won't be doing the rx'd workout today
accepting a challenge on 2400m time.

wish me luck

I played with Cindy today / tomorrow I am bringing Mary to the gym.

QUESTION FOR ALL DOCTORS WHO CROSSFIT THIS PROBABLY APPLIES TO A LOT OF CROSSFITTERS

Today at my pink spandex gym they had a lady evaluating BMI. I am 5'10" and I weigh 195lbs. Therefore my BMI is 28 which is overweight and almost in the obese category. I have a low body fat percentage and I said this. The lady said "Yes you do but it is still physiologically taxing your body, especially your pancreas which makes you a candidate for diabetes. First of all, is this true? and second, it does not matter what the answer is, I will not change my workout routine to get lighter (smaller) but I would like to know because I crossfit to be Healthy (less prone to injury and sickness)

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

I am not a doctor but I assure you our ancesters did not pull out a scale or tape measures or that sort of thing to determine if they were healthy or not. Your health is determined by how you eat, think, and move (James Chestnut, DC). You can measure that by how fast you can run a 10k or 5k or pull ups, or push ups. What makes people a canidate for diabetes is not eating according to our genes, not moving (exercising) according to our genes. I have been smaller, weighed less in my life and was very sick. I weigh more now than then, and am now waaaaay healthier.
You can lose weight on ephedra...pass the BMI test, and how healthy is that? In other words, you can't measure health by one thing, ie weight.
Just some thoughts...
Erin

#7 Billy

I am a 5'7" 29 yom, weigh 200#'s. I have abs and crossfit like a "M F"er. I squat heavy, lift hard and fast and can out run pretty much any one i know. I remain calm in stressful situations and don't care that my BMI is over 30, i know that i'm healthier than the majority of the world with my nutrition and exercise program. Keep workin hard.

And the same people that is measuring BMI's, is prob telling them to follow the food guide pyrimid...grains grains grains....
!!

BMI is a BS indicator of health. Ignore that ladies every word.

And they both didn't turn the rings out....

#7 Billy

I predict that there will be a lot of responses to your post. A lot of us CF'ers are in the same boat. By the BMI charts I'm overweight. I'm 6'2" and 202 pounds. At 51 years old people tell me I look trim and in shape, not overweight. Yet by the BMI charts my BMI is 25.9, which is overweight. I don't feel overweight. I'm a lot healthier than a lot of people who weigh less than I do.

I'm wondering if Joker's comment will be there in the morning....

L-sits are not my friend, I need to practice them.

Billy, BMI is a waste of time for athletes and the food pyramid is just a waste.

I just saw the periodic table and have two comments.

1) I use the mind mapping visualization (Mi) constantly and found the pop up explanation on the chart useless. I have had great success with this technique as is applies to skydiving. The competitive skydiving community uses this technique to mentally go through every aspect of a competition skydive while the plane is climbing to altitude. The mind mapping technique involves placing yourself in the future performing exactly like it needs to happen in order to win. You work through every detail and focus on super-human performance. It works, really. I am not one of those touchy, feely, people who believe in mystic shamans but visualizing greatness is a necessary step in achieving greatness.

2) The person who put this chart together is the same guy who irons his bed after he makes it.

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

BMI info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

"It is meant to be used as a simple means of classifying sedentary (physically inactive) individuals with an average body composition."

"The BMI is meant to broadly categorise populations for purely statistical purposes."

How many of you practice a particular skill in addition to the WOD? Would love to hear some individual cases of skills that people work on during the week in addition to the WOD.

Depending on the content of the Wod, I'll add in extra strength stuff like L sits, or tabata leg lifts lately. I'm trying to get comfortable with bwt benches too, so I add in 5x5 benches on occasion.

the there's the other days when I finish the wod and just sit for 15min after

Pyrros Dimas, who is listed at 5'8", 187 lbs has a BMI of 28 and change. There is no way anyone would think he is overweight.

Dan

#7,
I'm not a doctor, but I am a Physical Therapist. I've been a collegiate Gymnast and avid Martial Artist my whole life as well. My BMI (5'4" and 152 lbs.)puts me in the slightly overweight category (26.1), but was tested in college by a Total Body Electical Conductivity (TOBEC)and came out to be 3.12% body fat. BMI isn't very accurate as a measure of fitness for people who have a lot of muscle mass on them, so I wouldn't put any credit behind that test OR what she said. Exercise has been proven to make the insulin in your body more effective, thereby helping to reduce the effects or risk of diabetes. It sounds like she was just trying to get you to buy some personal training sessions from her. Ask her to site some studies for you where she got her info from and she will probably leave you alone.

And #11 MCC, speaking of BS indicators of health, I'm thankful that the old theory that your Max Heart Rate should be 220 minus your age was de-bunked otherwise I'd never get a good workout in!

Hip to Waist ratio is a much more useful metric and overcomes the limitations of body type inherent in BMI. Here is an article if you haven't come across it before ...

work/family friendly link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9913508/

many crossfitters would fail the BMI due to the amount of lean muscle mass they carry but would score brilliantly on the hip to waist ratio measure, which is a much better indicator of health.

This periodization table of visualizations is just great. One of the best links from here that I have seen.

Thanks!

Christian

... hurrying to his wget command line ...

This is tangentially related to the BMI issue, but Tony Leyland's article in the January CFJ, "Body Composition: Not the Holy Grail," deals with a few related topics.

He touches on the BMI (which is bodyweight in KG/the square of height in meters, btw), saying it's "notoriously inapplicable to athletes," which a few people have mentioned already.

And #12, MikeC, he mentions that a lot of CrossFitters encounter this problem so you are absolutely right that a lot of us are in the same boat. (Incidentally, I'm not. I'm a soccer player and I look like one.)

Best,

P

Hey Zach, guess I'm on your team...

Interesting article here http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,,1968818,00.html Looks at how fat is distributed. Sumo wrestler have a BMI of 56 but very little visceral fat which causes the most health problems.

I'm glad to see the discussion of BMI. As a Marine, maintaining height/weight/BF standards is important. A few yrs back, the Corps decided to factor performance on the Physical Fitness Test into the equation when deciding whether someone was put on a weight control program (a career killer). This means that if you exceed the ht/wt tables (which are based on BMI), you have to have a first class PFT to not be assigned to a weight control program. It makes pretty good sense.

BMI too many times is the basis for the studies that claim >30% of Americans are overweight and 60% are obese. These claims are made without any mention of BMI's limitations when it comes to healthy, athletic, muscular individuals. So, when Doctors, Physical Therapists, etc. say you're overweight based on your BMI, tell them what your physical activity level is. Describe "Cindy", "Helen", etc. to them, thank them for their advice and leave their offices.

31/ 5'8"/ 185

My bmi is 28.1...The Navy does take into consideration your body type. Extra paper work though.

I'm writing a paper for English and if anyone knows where Crossfit speaks specifically about the strength benefits in regard to distance running, I would be appreciative. I have to use 3 websites and would like Crossfit to be one of them. The more detailed the better. I have to evaluate each website for accuracy, authority, etc.

Thanks, Josh

Weighted pull-ups. 35M175 (10x1)

45,55,75,95,125,135(PR),105,105,105,105

Zach's shoulder position would indicate that he is working hard to stay there...strong dude.

Also, I saw a picture, in a bodybuilding publication, of some guy doing a chin-up w/202#'s strapped around his waist. The claim is that this feat is a world record which I doubt. There are some strong "Mo fo's" out there who could duplicate the weight...

Billy
As a crossfitting md, I agree with all the other posts on the subject so far. Most muscular athletes have BMI over 25. That BMI index is total BS...That pancreas working overtime is hilarious...

Hey-

Started my DIY project last night [Plyo Boxes with slanted sides] from the September 2006 Crossfit Journal. Thanks to Lincoln Brigham for the detailed instructions.

I'm looking forward to some sweet jumps.

-K

thank you for the chart, Coach Mendeleev.

Billy and all, re: BMI

The BMI is a screening test which,when applied to the general population, will identify individuals who are at risk for developing medical conditions (diabetes, heart disease, etc) associated with obesity. Obesity does not have a definition that is dependent on a BMI measurement, but essentially all individuals who are obese also have a high BMI.

Every test or measurement has a "false positive" rate or percentage, and a "false negative" rate. A false positive is a test result that implies the presence of a disease in the clear absence of that disease. For example, a CF'er with a high BMI and a low %BW fat is clearly not obese, and the BMI is clearly not an indication of increased risk for disease in that instance. The opposite is a false negative wherein the test is negative (the test shows no disease or risk present) in the clear presence of the disease. An example here would be the insulin-dependent diabetic with a low BMI.

The value that your tester provided to you, Billy, was a %BW fat test. The BMI has no screening value to you. Lest we disparage the BMI inappropriately, as a SCREENING test for the general populace it is a very effective tool if it is used to identify people at risk for diseases associated with high BMI, and if this result is then used to educate these same people about that risk and how to lower it.

Like, eating in the Zone and doing Crossfit...

I was at Disneyland about a month ago and I was visiting their rotating future rooms thingy. They had a station there that would tell you if you were healthy or not (BMI I believe). I saddled up to this machine and it not only said I Was overweight, but that I was MORBIDLY obese!! With the big giant red warning screen that popped up Im surprised that it didnt automatically call the paramedics!

Im 30 yo, 6-2 and was probably 186-188 at the time. Im 181 now.

As to the chart, there is some great info there that I will be sharing with a few choice coworkers.

#15 Billy,

I just saw the periodic table myself, and I would have to agree with your second comment.

As I am not too familiar with a lot of these visualization methods, I find this very useful. After looking over the diagram and listening to your skydiving techniques, is it possible that you could be conducting more of a process event chain, or flight plan, rather than mind mapping?

I also find this periodic table very similar to the Crossfit concept.
Taking everyday things that normally do, that we normally understand that work, and organizing it for functional purposes.

I can only imagine a seasoned law eforcement offcer, military spec ops vet, or firefighter stumbing upon crossfit and saying, "Hey!, I've been doing that stuff for years" Oh wait.. that's already happening.

Coach/Team,
I really like the crossfit philosophy and workouts; actually I hate the workouts but man do I think they're effective. I'd like to request a copy of the 9wk worth of workouts that coach reportedly prepared for the Canadian Army troops. I'm in the service and as such am an anal planner of most things in my life to include my workouts. Also, a necessity due to resourcing the workouts with the right equipment/facilities. Thanks in advance and can't say enough good things about what I've seen/experienced regarding crossfit to date.
Jeff

This is my mental warm-up for the day:

I have to say, I am so relieved to see a discussion topic that didn't make checking the comments thread feel like gawking at a traffic accident.

I agree with the comment about this guy being someone who irons his bed after making it, because -- while this is a good-to-great tool to have handy as a reference -- it's a bit of a stretch to see it as a step towards the kind of authoritative system of classification we have for elements.

Why? Well, because elements are different in ways that are fundamental and (assuming no alchemy or CERN trickery) unchanging.

Visualization methods, however, often wrap up several other visualization methods, and can itself be expressed as a combination, extension, or composition of several other visualization methods.

As one example, surely every line graph requires the fundamental concept of Cartesian Coordinates!

Bar and line graphs are different only in a minor graphical/design choice -- whether to use discrete bars that descend from the cartesian-projected coordinates down to the axis, or to imply a continuous transition by connecting the two with lines.

A lot of techniques for visualization aren't *fundamentally* different in the way that chemical elements are. Often, they're made up of the same stuff, and arranged a little differently, wrapping or descending from other methods.

In fact, a Periodic Table of Visualization Methods makes EXACTLY as much sense as creating a Periodic Table of Molecules. And the results would be the same: you could make a pretty, useful, elegant reference tool that may present a lot of 'popular molecules' grouped into arbitrary families, but EXACTLY like a Periodic Table of Molecules, since the data you're trying to visualize is (even if limiting yourself to a small number of properties and tracing Parent/Is-A, Composition etc) a graph of unlimited potential depth, all you'd have accomplished would be to piggyback on a legitimate and valid method of visualization in an attempt to gain authority by association.

In fact, if you read the paper, it's almost absurd; they don't claim that it's of any real significance whatsoever from a research OR visualization standpoint. They acknowledge that it's just a 'metaphorical homage' to the periodic table, but

"Nevertheless, it does provide an overview over more
than hundred useful visualization methods of great variety
and by organizing them assists researchers and practitioners
alike in choosing adequate visualization methods for
their needs."

Really? Whoop-de-frickin' do!
Designers, hobbyists and enthusiasts of all kinds have made useful visualization and organizational tools for their domain. Plenty of people have made cute little reference apps/tools/charts that make information accessible to people in their domain.

For this you wrote up a description of your pet project in academic paper form? It would have been enough to have a single paragraph on your website, saying "we made a cute little reference of visualization methods in the form of a periodic table, it's just a quick-ref that someone might find useful. We tried to organize it intuitively and usefully."

Think I'm being a little harsh? Well ... folks, I give you, "Towards a Spatial-Topical Map of Sexual Fetishes": (not work/family safe, but text only)
http://www.deviantdesires.com/map/mappics/map81002.gif

Think that this map has absolutely zero scientific significance? Hey now!

"Nevertheless, it does provide an overview over more
than hundred [sexual fetishes] of great variety
and by organizing them assists researchers and practitioners
alike in choosing adequate [fetishes] for
their needs."

Yeah. That felt good. My brain is all warmed up and ready to go.

Billy...

I have to take a Class III flight physical every year...this thing is like a Astronaut physical..with the everything tested. I am talking urine, stool, and atleast viles of blood. As a heavy guy, 5'10 @ 220, I not "wirey" to say the least yet I always score "outstanding" (highest catagory) on my PFT:

1 min max push-ups
2 min rest
4 min max sit-ups
2 min rest
2 min max push-ups
10 min rest
3 mile run
30 min rest
1500m swim

and my vitals are always in the norms, as well as all the stuff they test in the blood.

If you eat well, exercise and you end up over the scale of some test developed in the 50's for sedentary people...I would wear like a badge of honor.

PS, to avoid confusion: as to the reference itself, it's pretty cool. It's a VERY nice reference, as I said at the outset. But when I go to their website and see that paper ... coupled with the title of the paper ... it really makes me think, you know, THIS is what I don't like about academia. Why a paper? Isn't one of the goals of visualization elegance and concision? What possible purpose does that kind of formalized tripe serve, when there are similar projects that clearly didn't require that exhaustive an explanation?

Seriously, these guys should come out with their own, improved version of the Fetish Map.

Question concerning Mary from yesterday, I want to learn to do the pistols, is the best method for acquiring the strength and coordination for this exercise best done by supporting oneself in a doorway or is there another manner in which to better spot yourself? I have had my ACL replaced and my knee worked on so I don't have some of my native strength and balance in that knee hence my question. Thanks all for the great discussion on BMI!

#37 Jeff,

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/AOFP-Austere-Program_equipment.pdf

#38 Luc,

Very interesting read. I can't argue with anything you have to say, but I will take a more positive approach to the table and say that I've found the,

"Nevertheless, it does provide an overview over more than hundred useful visualization methods of great variety..."

to be very useful.

To anyone: A discussion arose this a.m. regarding "Murph" One of our Team Members believes you have to complete the 100 pullups, 200 pushups and 300 body squats portion in that exact order. I ran Murph last year in Kuwait and we broke it down to 5, 10, 15 for 20 rounds. My fellow Team member believes we "cheated". What say you? Thanks.
Semper Fi, Respectfully, Capt E.

BMI is a hoax. Pseudoscience.

It reminds me of Phrenology: the "science" of discovering a person's personality traits by examining the bumps on their heads. Would I kid about this? No, really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology

In all truth, there's NOTHING better in this world than the truly CrossFit human form. Yummmmmm... Guys who fit into optimal BMI category are invisible to my discerning eyes.

And, since I started X-Fit my BMI went up as I grew all sorts of muscles and my weight went up. Of course, my actual body size went down and I'm now too small to wear my size 2s. Back to the mall for yet another X-Fit inspired jeans shopping trip...

Just say it with me: BMI and Phrenology are one.

Thanks for the Periodic Table of Visualization Methods!! In my reading about left and brained thinking, I had not yet encountered anything as deep and thorough as this.

Wow. Thanks for maintaining the critical thinking dimension of CrossFit...anyone who thinks CrossFit is limited to developing physical intelligence hasn't spent enough time in the CrossFit community.

As I've said, I find it a cool/useful reference.

If it wasn't for this:
http://www.visual-literacy.org/periodic_table/periodic_table.pdf
I'd have no complaints.

#7 Billy
As a physician I can tell you to ignore the comments made by the pink spandex gym lady. The BMI chart is a reference guide only and should be taken into consideration with a number of other factors to determine your risk for chronic disease. The chart is based on the average population and should not be applied to those with high muscle mass and low body fat percentages.
You do not have a higher risk for diabetes based on your BMI. Central obesity, inactivity and genetics determine your risk. Although very low carbohydrate diets do have some health risks the zone diet does not.
I wish I could convince patients to do crossfit or at minimum walk - anywhere.

39 yo male, 65" tall, 172 lb.

BMI: 28.6 / "Overweight"

Long history of sports including power-lifting, sprint triathlons, mtn biking, trail running, rock climbing, kayaking, etc.

I recently heard the call to serve and joined the US Army. I turned 39 in bootcamp. My last score on a record Army PFT was 292/300 in August 06. I was literally running laps around soldiers half my age.

I have a degree in Physical Anthropology and back in 1987 when I was powerlifting in college we were debunking the BMI. It amazes me that it is still around.

I've been "overweight" my whole life. But at various times I've been able to deadlift 465 lbs, squat 395, and bench 290. My body weight has been consistent for years.

In the Army, I am considered overweight for my height (max is 163 lbs). That means I get "taped" at every PFT, where they measure circumfrence of waist at navel, and neck just below larynx. According to the tape I am 13.4% bodyfat. An easy pass, old guys like me are authorized 24%!

It's always the same, I'm standing line waiting to be taped, and there are some genuine fat bodies, and few of us "burly" guys who just nod at each other and roll our eyes.

I've started tying to keep in the Zone now that I am Crossfitting for the last couple of months, so I expect I might drop to that magic 163 lbs, which would put me at about 9% body fat.

But with CF building lean muscle mass I expect my weight to stay exatly the same while the % body fat goes down.

BTW, keeping Zone in Iraq at the Dining Facility requires some creative thinking. I feel like I'm in need of supplementation, particularly a good source of protein and fish oil, CoQ10, etc.

Any other deployed service members in the same boat? Ideas?

#44

Murph comes in order. 100, 200, 300, bookended by 1 mile runs. You can segment the exercises... like breaking the pullups into 10s...

Much uglier that way to be sure. The only option offered is whether you wear your your IBA or weight vest.

But, remember that on Murph days, when you're screaming and crying as you struggle through those last 50 or so pushups (I cried at the gym, so help me), hundreds or thousands of other X-Fit athletes across the world are struggling with you, and we're all thinking about the sacrifice of a beautiful Navy SEAL, LT Michael Murphy. We're honoring a Fallen Hero.

As I psyched up for my first Murph, I researched him on the web. Every time I felt like sissying around, I thought about what I'd learned about him. Inspirational guy to say the least.

Go in order. You'll make it, and you'll LIKE IT.

Umm... time for another sip of Kool-Aid...

#44

also, I understand that you are to complete each event before you move to the next...like the rest of the workouts

like Helen the other day

run 400m
21 x kb swings
12 x pull-ups

each event is completed before the next is started

Crossfit Brothers and Sisters, Thanks for all of the comments on BMI. I believe, like all of you, that BMI just does not work for athletes. I really like the Hip to weight ratio that Matt in comment #22 talked about. I will bring that to the gym this evening.

Martin #31 thank you for your comments. I put a lot of weight on what you said because you are a doctor. So what she was saying about how the "pancreas only puts out X amount of insulin and by having a higher weight for my frame I am at risk for diabetes" is just crap?

Have Fun, Train Hard,

Billy

280#'s/5'11.75"/BMI=38/43 yoa

Let's see your low BMI move that refrigerator.

I have never been normal according to height and weight charts. That's why I like Crossfit.

Mike in Rochester. Ive had my ACL replaced as well. I can tell you, however, that my knee has never been stronger since starting Crossfit 7 months ago. Every muscle that supports the knee has been strengthened therefore giving more support to my lig's. Having said that, my flexibility still needs work (I cant rest on my haunches [yet]) but I feel that this is due to not working on the flexibility of my new cadaver lig from the get go. Strength and support wise my knee feels 100%!

Comment #38 (Luc) -- as well as others who don't like to read:

The conclusion of the brief paper on the theory behind the periodic table of visualizations states: "Our efforts in structuring the vast domain of visualization methods cannot be seen as a close adaptation of the periodic table of chemical elements. It is rather a functional, metaphoric homage to it."

These guys know it visualizations aren't chemical elements. But the Periodical Table is a functional visualization tool, thus, they use the metaphor. But no metaphor can be paralleled indefinitely.

Visualizations are useful. So is symbolic writing (known as the alphabet), which is just another form of visualization, really.

slinky:

I quoted from the paper, including reference to the part you quoted. I can forgive you for not reading *my* post, though, because it was longer than necessary. ;)

As acknowledged, it's useful, in the same way that any well-designed "quick reference" aid is useful.

But for reasons mentioned, the Periodic Table is a functional visualization, and this is just an arbitrary quick-reference that steals its design from the Periodic Table.

As such, writing a paper about it makes as much sense as writing a paper about the Fetish Map.

Sure, they did their best to group things intuitively and accurately. Doubtless, so did the Fetish Map people. Again, no need for a paper.

It's a useful tool. That's doubtless the spirit in which it was posted. But I assume from the paper -- and think it's not an unreasonable assumption -- that the people who produced this cute little mind candy take themselves, or their efforts, a bit too seriously.

Again, I refer you to the Fetish Map.

#44 and other's commenting on Murph.

I've seen discussions on the message boards pertaining to Murph, in which this age-old question always arises. This is one:

"Below the line is the e-mail I got from Coach G. when I asked about partitioning.

John

====================

Michael Murphy's description for this workout included the following, "1 mile run, then 100 pull-ups, 200 push-ups and 300 squats in any order as long as the #'s were met, followed by another 1 mile run"

So, my interpretation is that "Cindy" style would be OK."

Implies that you should get through it any way you can. I've personally done it both ways and found that partitioning allows a significantly higher power output (i.e., faster time), which is what CrossFit metcons are all about. Not partitioning, at least for me, requires significant rest/recovery periods, resulting in much longer time to completion (about 20:00 longer in comparing my last two Murphs). I encourage people to try it both ways (not in the same day!) and annotate results accordingly.

#44 and other regarding "Murph"

If you look at the faq or the archives when murph was rx'd as the wod, it always includes the following line:

"Partition the pull-ups, push-ups, and squats as needed. Start and finish with a mile run. If you've got a twenty pound vest or body armor, wear it."

Unlike Angie where you have to finish each exercise before you start the next, with murph, you partition as needed.

#42 Tom. Thank you for the help.

Maybe I'm being naieve, but what is the usefulness of so many visualization techniques, to me it seems cluttered and over done.

Murph is one of my fav's, and I have to segment it b/c I'm not strong enough (yet) to do 100 pullups in a row without stopping. But one day, this girl will : )...I must say Fight Gone Bad is my most favorite.

On a different note, I need some CF expertise. One of my friend's husband is currently downrange and will be home some time late summer. She wants to surprise him with a wrestling mat that can go in the garage, but rolls up for storage, and is for home use (not necessarily full size). It would be a really big deal if she could get it in time for his homecoming.

It can be remanants, or whatever, but didn't know the best place to look. I work for the Y here, and we checked with our vendors, but what they had was pretty expensive...

Do you guys have any vendors/connections/ideas for that?? (I know one of you has one of these in the garage...)

#15

Unfortunately, I am one of those who irons his bead after making it... in fact I will be tonight. The luxuries of an all expense paid trip to a Military Academy....

Luc,

You seem educated. Surely the argument that things could have been grouped differently does not mean they should not have been grouped this way? Obviously, the presentation itself would appear a subset of one of their visualization techniques. Which one would be a good question.

The objective, obviously, is to offer a substantial number of different ways to approach data, so that someone wanting to analyze it in a particular way, for example "Strategy Overview Convergent thinking" would be able to do so.

No doubt these techniques could be applied in terms of grouping the sundry sexual perversions out there (which seem to occupy more of your conscious awareness than might be the case with some of us). That makes your example a subset of this example, unless I'm missing something. This is a grouping of groupings. Yours is a grouping of various gropings.

Hey-

FYI- Crossfit Total numbers based on tables by Rippetoe, etal. (Aasgaard Co, 2006)

Men
bw/untrained/novice/intermediate/advanced/elite
114 228 395 468 646 836
123 246 427 510 695 901
132 265 461 546 745 848
148 296 516 618 833 1061
165 322 560 672 906 1149
181 348 604 722 969 1245
198 366 637 764 1017 1373
220 385 671 807 1071 1373
242 402 700 833 1102 1411
275 413 718 856 1128 1441
319 422 733 874 1150 1466
320+ 430 748 891 1169 1494

Women
97 134 231 270 370 480
105 143 251 291 400 507
114 155 269 314 426 537
123 164 284 333 452 566
132 173 302 351 473 594
148 190 332 389 520 648
165 206 357 417 560 709
181 220 383 451 598 737
198 237 412 474 630 788
199+ 250 434 506 662 826

-KR955

Hey-

Correction 1

Men's 132lb elite total should be 958.

-K

Partion "Murph" as needed, but don't be scared to try it straight thru to see how it feels. You will notice a distinct difference. Both leave you smoked, but one tends to wreck more then the other. Ie.. Your heart may explode.

Aarrggghhhhhh!!!

CCTJOEY... The Bulldog

Wow...that's like an Army Power Point Ranger's dream come true! Oh the ecstasy of multiple forms of saying the same thing only in different formats! AHHHHHH...:)

Thanks, Coach!

-Dennis

Amie-

There's several national vendors who market basement or garage size mats. I think around $400/each, before shipping costs.

I'm a member of USAWrestling and get all the mags and catalogs, but would guess that you could Google about the same. I just got a new catalog yesterday and will look for a vendor name tonight to let you know.

-K

Strange to see my area of research -- information visualization -- and my exercise routine combine. As George Costanza would say, "Worlds are colliding!"

The table is an excellent enumeration of various techniques and metaphors. As with anything, there is room for disagreement, but I appreciate the effort.

#61 I might take a look at http//www.resilite.com it doesn't look like they have any ready made home use mats, but if the difference in price isn't so much, it should be around $500. I recently picked up a wrestling mat for free that was in pretty bad condition. I only took a 10' * 10' piece of it. www.matsmatsmats.com seems like it might have better prices with shipping included in price, but their mats will be heavier. If you post your request in the message board, you will probably get more and better responses.

Amie-

http://dollamur.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=wrestling

$420 or so.

-K

Re: BMI

We have 'wellness' nurses that visit all the state departments regularly to assess individual's diet, cholesterol, blood pressure, risk factors, etc. When the nurses get around to the state police, they don't bother calculating BMI because it winds up being a false indicator due to the muscle mass. Instead, they do caliper measurements and other measures to determine % body fat. BMI is a simple height/weight ratio, so it can't possibly take into account the composition of the actual body mass. Pretty useless for athletes.

Newbie here, and completely off topic....

Whats the deal with Kool-aid here?

BMI is right around 150 years old and if I remember correctly was to categorize sedentary individuals and their fitness.
I'm a short lil bastard from a long line of short lil bastards on both sides. It's never worked for my family on my mother's ( Peruvian indians from the mountains are way short ) or father's ( short mics ).
Ehh.

Kevin #71 - score one for the home team!! THANKS DUDE! That's outstanding work!! Will pass the info on and that will undoubtedly make homecoming top notch! Good work!

THANK YOU!!
---amie

something came up yesterday so had to catch up with Mary today, 7 PU's short of 18 rounds, slightly better than last of 17 + 5 HSPU's, which I will take considering I was off lately. Hand tore on the 15th round, blood pouring out, finished the last few rounds pulling from my fingers.

DJ... The PITBULL (with optional SCUBA gear)

The Kool-Aid is here:

http://www.crossfitoakland.com/archives/2006/12/hey_kool-aid.html

#73

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones#Jonestown_and_mass_suicide

It was actually Flavor Aid, but has become an idiom for following without question something others think is, well, crazy.

I am an auditory learner but N is a super visual person with a photographic memory. I had to wait for her to come home from school to explain the chart to me! Ha!
She found it very cool and interesting. L who is a kinsthetic and visual learner found it very cool too.

#64 Kevin Rogers- Thanks for posting that chart. I'll have to print it off later.

Kate

Call me a lame teacher, but I love the posted link today. HMMM....how to apply that to my SPED classes????

--#61, Arnie,

Try: dollamur.com--

Shouldn't this Periodic Table of Visualisation methods contain the Periodic Table as a visualisation method ?

What about topographical maps, sign language, traffic signs, blueprints, etc... ? These used and referenced much more often than fishbone diagrams or pert charts.

The more simple is the layout, the easier to get the concept or the data. This is why in the annual reports of most companies, financial information is presented in plain bar charts. It may be just me but more than half of the items could be reorganized/redrawn to make it easier to understand and absorb.

Kevin #64

Cool stats! I am an intermediate CF'er, 154 lbs., and my CFT is 610. Right on the button per your tables. I'm going to have a ball with this thinking about my pet project: rational initial scaling of strength-based met-con WOD's based on the CFT. Thanks.

Executed both the "Mary" WoD and 10 x1 clean WoD from Thursday and Wednesday repectively.
-Mary: did not keep count due to many interruptions.
-Cleans: 95, 95, 95, 105, 105, 115, 115, 115, 105, 105 lbs, (ground to squat as Rx'd).
-Additonal sets of BP at 135 lbs each set.
-4 sets of simulated rings dips.

#82 --rgr that! thank you!

I need to CFT...I teach spin/cycle classes here (my classes are the hardest) and have always done interval training in the classes, never long hills climbs etc. Anyone can climb a hill for 15 minutes, but try doing intervals for 15 minutes, and it's a lot harder. That's why I love CF -- it's the same concept...Ijust realized though, next class, we are doing tabata intervals - 8 equal times vs. 8 equal workloads of gear, right before "pyramid of sprints"...can't wait...THANKS COACH for great WOD!!

I think somewhere in the BMI study there was a finding that a VERY low BMI contributed to a very long life..... spent getting sand kicked in your face. :-)

Neil(49) & Ellie(52)

Due to work commitments had to make Thursday our day off, so did Cindy today instead.

Neil 22 laps dead (literally). Very tough session, an improvement of 2 laps.
Ellie 23 laps + 5/10, an improvement of 3 laps.

Slightly apprehensive regarding tommorrows session. Heavy squats would do me in bigtime.

Spider Chick Comment #45, You Rock, I missed your comment the first time through about BMI guys.

Billy

First ever "Mary". Details there.

9 rounds + 5 + 10 + 1.

Kevin #64. What are the definitions of the groups? Is there a link to Rip's original source? Thanks.

Rest day for crossfit however it is not a rest day for "ME" After yesterday's squats oh my god...painfully jogged well sort of up/down 4 x's 5-floor stairway of a garage (my other gym) on my 5th time up I jogged down the ramps and around the perimeter of the 1st floor

Maximus,

You have a great website over at Crossfit Oakland. I checked it out today and your recent post on Jan 18 had a before and after picture that seemed to have the after portion cut off the screen. Any idea why I may be having trouble viewing both images or the whole image. Thanks for any suggestions. Again, you have a great site with cool content and the videos must really help to motivate your athletes. Keep it up.

MC

MCORRY #92,

You may need to change the resolution of your screen to something a little larger.

I did the front squat workout today and it really hurt my shoulders. I believe I did it IAW the video. Any pointers?

Mike Minium,

Yup, that did it. Thanks for the computer lesson.

MC

#57!!! THANK YOU!!
Wow, I can mix the Murph line up without being a cheater... my favorite hero WOD just got a lot less painful. Time saved, tears averted = Joy, joy, joy...

Did Cindy today. Flew back east from west. Results posted there.

Barry - "groupings of gropings"?

You slay me, bra.

I forgot to add, "And the difference is U."

#17
Besides CF (which I do on my lunch-break from work) I practice jujitsu 3-4 times per week and climb (mountains, rocks, whatever) on the weekends as well as bike to/from work (32 miles roundtrip), run regularly and play whatever sport is in season (soccer, basketball, flag football, volleybal).