May 12, 2006

Friday 060512

Rest Day

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Front squat - elbows high


Iranian President's reach-out to Bush.

Read and discuss in comments.

Posted by lauren at May 12, 2006 7:35 PM
Comments

Damn Eva, where can I get abs like that?

Comment #1 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 11, 2006 8:01 PM

Never mind the abs, where can I get an Eva like that?!

Comment #2 - Posted by: Tom H. at May 11, 2006 8:07 PM

thanks for the photo. both for the eye candy and the tips on the front squat!!

Comment #3 - Posted by: FATSO at May 11, 2006 8:16 PM

yeah, is Eva single?

-2 weeks into crossfitting and loving it!

Comment #4 - Posted by: juan at May 11, 2006 8:25 PM

damn, that pic is AWESOME!

thank you for the motivation!

--z--

Comment #5 - Posted by: Zach at May 11, 2006 8:27 PM

Ahmadi-Nejad is doing his duty as a devout Islamist.

His letter is simply an offer to America to become Islamist.

He is instructed to do this, since it is dictated in the Koran to offer your enemy the chance to convert before you kill them.

Wake up. This man is not nuts. He is devout and sees his position as a messenger.

How many messages do we need to hear from him to take his threats seriously?

Comment #6 - Posted by: Sea Bee at May 11, 2006 8:27 PM

Iran's president has proven repeatedly that he's nothing more than a fascist. This letter underscores that fact as well as further illustrates his idiocy regarding the workings of geopolitics.

While the US shouldn't dignify his delusions with an official response, his hypocrisy should be boldly and loudly pointed out to the world and the Islamic world in particular. For example, he states that the US could have put money spent on the Iraq war to humanitarian use. Here we should rub his face in the fact that Iran's money could go to more humanitarian uses than funding those coward/murderers called Hezbollah and others. Why does Iran have to maintain control of its people by force via their 'Revolutionary Guard'? Democracy has failed to help people fullfill their potential? What has Iran ever done for anyone other than themselves?

Democracy(Spartan Greeks) stood up to and defeated the tyranny and repression of the Persians before in the year 480 BC. The Persian king at the time told the Spartan King to lay down his sword as Spartan defeat was imminent. The Spartan King replied: "Molon Labe" - "Come and get it".

Comment #7 - Posted by: Rob_M at May 11, 2006 8:32 PM

Re: Eva. Crikey!

Comment #8 - Posted by: Matt Townsend at May 11, 2006 8:35 PM

What's the color code system for BFS bumper plates, same as others. If those are more than 25's I quit!!

Crossfit, where you can have your ass kicked faster than in the Octagon!

Comment #9 - Posted by: Mencius at May 11, 2006 8:35 PM

Dammit, I forgot the question mark. Seriously what is BFS's color code system?

Comment #10 - Posted by: Mencius at May 11, 2006 8:37 PM

I'm pretty sure the yellows are 25 each and the small red ones are 5 each. I'd give my left one for that form.

Comment #11 - Posted by: Redding Mark S at May 11, 2006 8:40 PM

yellow plates are 15KG or 33 lbs

Comment #12 - Posted by: FATSO at May 11, 2006 8:43 PM

Totally agree with Sea Bee #6. UBL did the same prior to 9/11 if I am not mistaken. Ahmadinejad is anxious to set the stage for the return of 12th imam and the way to do that is to create as much chaos as possible. This is a Shia belief. He most definitely needs to be taken seriously. The moment he has nuclear capabiltiy, is the moment he is ready to use it.

Comment #13 - Posted by: Mark Konen at May 11, 2006 8:43 PM

#11 Redding Mark S,I think you're right with the poundages. Plus I'd kill to have form like that with a broomstick!

Comment #14 - Posted by: Mencius at May 11, 2006 8:56 PM

http://tomgorman.moonfruit.com/

check "rules of competition" link and "colors of plates."

green are 10KG
yellow are 15KG
blue are 20KG
red are 25KG

Comment #15 - Posted by: FATSO at May 11, 2006 9:10 PM

actually, I'm wrong and you are right. They are 25 lb plates. check out this image:

http://www.biggerfasterstronger.com/uploads/C-Hampton-Bumpers.jpg

Comment #16 - Posted by: FATSO at May 11, 2006 9:16 PM

Eva, you're killing me! Great form, great abs, great weight...geesh, great everything!

#6,7,and 13: You are right on with this delusional madman!

Comment #17 - Posted by: RonHarris at May 11, 2006 9:16 PM

Those are 10 lb. yellow plates. I wish I had that form.

Comment #18 - Posted by: russ greene at May 11, 2006 9:24 PM

If he would of left out all the religious fanatisim I would totally vote for him.

He’s asking questions I’ve wondered about for years. I think every politician in the US should have to answer the questions brought up in that letter. At the very least Bush should have to answer all the questions…after all it was addressed to him.

“A country, which possesses the biggest nuclear arsenal, embarks on proliferation of nuclear weapons in defiance of the safeguards and threatens to use them against others, is not competent to comment on peaceful use of nuclear know-how by other states.” In a meeting with several American chief editors and directors of the highly circulated newspapers and news and TV channels, he stressed that instead of raising any claims, such a country should be brought under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and be accountable for its conducts and measures.

“The present era marks the era of awakening of public opinion and the implementation of the will and wishes of nations. The era of bullying and resorting to force is passing away because it is the resolve of nations that has the last say.”

He ruled out opining by a few countries on behalf of the international community, saying, “The world has not allowed anybody to speak on behalf of the world nations.

“Therefore, the countries assigning other states should know that such an approach worldwide will not guarantee a lasting order.” Ahmadinejad said those who have used shells contaminated with depleted uranium in Iraq should be accountable for their move, saying the shells were used against Iraqi people and even the occupying forces were not immune of their adverse impacts.

He dismissed as “unreasonable and unacceptable” the dual approach which considers the use of nuclear energy “good” for some states and “bad” for certain other states.

Comment #19 - Posted by: Tim at May 11, 2006 10:41 PM

Feeling good today so...
Bench (4 or 5)x(135/155/175/185/205/195/185)
Ring dips 5 sets of 10

Comment #20 - Posted by: Travis_r at May 11, 2006 10:58 PM

Thanks for posture photo for front squat.looks like another sunny day to workout outside.U guys are lucky.

Comment #21 - Posted by: peter h at May 12, 2006 12:05 AM

The first rule of any communication is to ask yourself, "Who is my audience?".

The audience of this letter is not the addressee. This piece of drivel was written for the rest of the Arab world, non-aligned Eurasia Old Europe, and the American left. Except for the holocaust denial, it reads like an entry into a sixth grade essay contest sponsored by the DNC. "Okay kids, we're going to pretend that we are the President of Iran writing a letter to Mr. Bush". Like a child repeating things heard around the house as mom and dad denounce the war and President. I especially like how the author (whoever it really was)slipped in the overused catchphrase about putting the troops "in harm's way". Whoever ghost wrote this has probably lived and/or studied in the USA. Not that it matters.

WMD? Read the letter again. Will the USA, Russia, China, France, Britain, Pakistan, Turkey, Israel, and India ever allow this leader, (or this nation) to possess nuclear weapons? Do you think Saudi Arabia and Egypt want Iran to have nukes? Would you let an emotionally disturbed 12 year-old have a loaded machine gun? Do you wait until the kid has the belt of ammo in the feed tray before you intervene or would you act as soon as you saw him starting to assemble the tripod?

Is the ruling elite of Iran a bunch of emotionally disturbed 12 year-olds with machine guns? Of course not, they are much more dangerous than that. They deny that the holocaust ever happened, but they want it to happen again. They want every Israeli -- dead. They want every American -- dead. They are fanatical zealots trying to produce a nuclear bomb. And they sent a crappy, 19 page letter to the President of the United States. And we read it, and we commented on it, and tomorrow we get back to the job at hand.

My audience for this communication was the good people of the CrossFit community. I know that you won't all agree with me. That's fine, let me know about it, take me to task, that is what America is all about. People in Iran don't have that option. Neither did the people in pre-war Iraq. And if you are female, there are very few places in the middle east where you could speak out against a man about anything at all. God Bless the USA.

Post script: Great picture of Eva, no doubt, "she's got the Jack". I admire her commitment, her accomplishment, and her bod. But remember , while you post sonnets to her abs, and endlessly debate the BFS color code system, somewhere, right now, a religious fanatic is training to kill you.

Comment #22 - Posted by: sgt feather at May 12, 2006 12:09 AM

Sgt Feather I would like to buy you a beer...outstanding

Comment #23 - Posted by: Sgt Grim at May 12, 2006 12:33 AM

Happy Birthday to my co-celebrants, Kelly Moore and David Wood!

Comment #24 - Posted by: Lynne Pitts at May 12, 2006 1:02 AM

Tim #19, are you insane? Get your yoke and be led to the slaughter with the rest of the cattle. You American apologist liberals make me sick. He denies the holocaust, the history of Israel and continually asserts that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth and you would vote for him????!!!! UGHHH...

"If he would of left out all the religious fanaticism I would totally vote for him."-NUTS! That’s all he is is a religious fanatic trying to bring back the 12th imam with a holocaust of his own!!! He didn’t mention anything about his own revolutionary (thugs) guard here in Iraq killing innocents. Funny, I wonder why.

If you believe for one second that he was "voted" in to office, you'd probably believe that Saddam was "voted" in as well. Saddam won by a landslide every election with 100% of the vote. Amazing!!!! Please...and what's the deal with his kum-bi-ya routine? As if the Iranian president is some authority on human rights and peaceable living.

Travel to the middle east. See how these enlightened muslims live in happiness playing in chocolate rivers with gumdrop smiles. I've been to Kuwait (twice), Iraq (twice) and Oman and I'll tell you what I've seen-poverty and oppression the likes that have NO comparison in the West.

The rich here have palaces and fifty Ferraris while the poor (99% of everyone else) literally don't have a pot to pi$$ in. They just go anywhere! Life under sharia (look it up) is cruel and oppressive. Yet it is the hope and dream of every good, practicing “muslim.”

Let me tell you another, dirty little secret about theses "enlightened" “muslim” societies. They have what are called TCN's (third country nationals) that are little more than slaves. They come from poor countries like Bangladesh, India and other Southeast Asian countries. They toil all day, everyday for about 200 dollars a month. They are indentured servants, basically. What about that, you bleeding hearts? Don’t get me started about the treatment of women!!

Wake up America!!! Western style democracy is the ONLY way for people to be free. The democratic peace theory (where democracies don’t fight one another-look it up) is the only proven peace solution besides force. The more “real” democracies that exist the less war and privation there will be in this world.

You’re either on our team or theirs. In fact, if you in anyway sympathize with the Iranian president, are against the war on terror in any form or wish to “heal the world” by slamming the USA I’d prefer you to be a John Walker Lindh and fight me head on. I’d much rather be shot from the front by my known enemies than stabbed in the back by my “supporters.”

I don’t like everything Bush has done, but, “he ain’t heavy, he’s my brother.” I DON’T CARE ABOUT WMD’S!!! I’ll keep deploying so long as I’m asked. This is about more than WMD’S!!!!! Put your money where your mouth is. I did.

Stand for something, or you’ll fall for everything. I don’t care if I’m the last Spartan standing on the field of Thermopylae(thanks ROB_M#7), I won’t quit freedom, self-determination and prosperity to the prospect of allowing Islamic oppression to spread it’s tentacles in my backyard. Not on my watch.

“Molon Labe” Iran. (R.I.P.BUY)

-Dennis in Baghdad

Comment #25 - Posted by: tenacious "D" at May 12, 2006 1:09 AM

Tim (#19): I predict a bright future for you as a tenured professor in an obscure liberal arts college somewhere.

While you personally may be willing to sign up for dhimmitude, you have the amazing good fortune of hanging out here with a crew--many of whom are doing hard work in hard places--who will ensure that will never come to pass.

I don't know what to say, other than to relay the words of that outstanding military philosopher, CCTjoey, who may have had you in mind when he wrote:

"I will not be PUNKED, and I will not let you be PUNKED either, even if you are too stupid to see it or too weak-willed to do anything about it..."

Comment #26 - Posted by: Brian Mulvaney at May 12, 2006 1:12 AM

#6 has got it right. This is a call to accept Islam, which the Iranian president now confirms. See here
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/default.asp

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Thursday that his letter to President George W. Bush did not concern the nuclear dossier, but rather was an invitation to Islam and the prophets culture.
He made the above remarks in reply to a reporter while attending press conference on his letter to President Bush in Jakarta in the afternoon of the third day of his stay in Jakarta.
Stressing that the letter was beyond the nuclear issue, the chief executive said that in principle, the country's nuclear case is not so significant to make him write a letter about it.
"We act according to laws and our activities are quite clear. We are rather intent on solving more fundamental global matters.
"The letter was an invitation to monotheism and justice, which are common to all divine prophets. If the call is responded positively, there will be no more problems to be solved," added the president.

What will never be reported in the mainstream media is that Muslim doctrine requires such an invitation as a prelude to attack. Our options are also clearly spelled out in their doctrine: we can accept Islam or dhimmitude, or be attacked. In essence, it is a declaration of war.

The Iranian prez is a puppet of the ruling council of Ayatollahs. I think his call to Islam is an indication of how desperate they have become. The regime is hated by the Iranian people. The country is on the brink of revolution which is only held back by the boot heel of viscious oppression. They are now surrounded by emerging democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq, and as freedom sprouts and grows around them, the regime becomes becomes more and more threatened at home. They have pulled out all stops to undermine the formation of democracy in Iraq, but they are being beaten, and they know it.

Scary questions remain. How soon will they have nuclear weapons? Who will they attack when the weapons come online? (Probably Israel). Will the Iranian people throw off the yoke of their oppressors before the Mullahs drag the country into nuclear oblivion?

Comment #27 - Posted by: Dan MacD at May 12, 2006 1:52 AM

As for the yellow plates. BFS has changed their color scheme, those yellow ones at CF HQ are 10 lbs. The 10 lbs plates that BFS sells now are green.

Comment #28 - Posted by: Dan MacD at May 12, 2006 1:56 AM

Being that I'm a soldier deployed in Iraq that letter just pisses me off. I got back from r&r a month ago and while home I was faced with a lot of questions from people asking me "why I chose to fight" or "do I really think we're doing the right thing". I had to convince a lot of people who seemed to have forgotten about 9/11, that terrorism is real. They kept telling me we dont have business in the middle east, that we wouldve been better off without this war. Iran is producing nuclear materials, refining them for "energy purposes"... sure. Now I read this letter and get a cold feeling that this man is not "reaching out" but trying to cover his ass with rhetoric. I havent seen the news in weeks but I'm guessing we have liberal media praising this president and his attempt to "reason" with our government. Ok well I'm rambling now but I hope you see my pov, a lot of "us" as in normal, law obiding citizens, need to open our eyes. Peace is wonderful but we wont see it any time soon if we sit back and let these radical middle eastern governments do what they will. I agree, this man seems to want death to westerners and jews as much as any other insurgent blowing up Iraqi's or american troops.

Comment #29 - Posted by: Ian Harte at May 12, 2006 2:15 AM

#'s 25 & 26

tenacious D wrote>>>"Let me tell you another, dirty little secret about theses "enlightened" “muslim” societies. They have what are called TCN's (third country nationals) that are little more than slaves. They come from poor countries like Bangladesh, India and other Southeast Asian countries. They toil all day, everyday for about 200 dollars a month. They are indentured servants, basically. What about that, you bleeding hearts? Don’t get me started about the treatment of women!!">You guys have some kind of incredible fantasy going about what is NOT going on in the United States.>Get your yoke and be led to the slaughter with the rest of the cattle. You American apologist liberals make me sick. He denies the holocaust, the history of Israel and continually asserts that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth and you would vote for him????!!!! UGHHH...>From CNN "Sanctions are not the best way to resolve international concerns over Iran’s resumption of its nuclear program, Russia and China have said ."


Ahmadinejad hasn’t denied that Europe persecuted the jews or that 6 million of them were murdered by the third reich – what he’s said is that this is not a good excuse for moving the problem of Europe’s racism to the Middle East.>If you believe for one second that he was "voted" in to office, you'd probably believe that Saddam was "voted" in as well. Saddam won by a landslide every election with 100% of the vote. Amazing!!!! Please...and what's the deal with his kum-bi-ya routine? As if the Iranian president is some authority on human rights and peaceable living.>The overwhelming evidence from Ohio and Florida confirms that there was systematic vote fraud and voter suppression on a massive scale. Recounts won't help. You can't recount the votes cast on computer voting machines with no paper trail, and you sure can't recount the votes from those voters who never had a chance to vote. The only possible fair solution is to have another voting day in each state, closely supervised by a huge team of international observers and completely videotaped. Anyone who says that a re-vote is legally and practically impossible has to be prepared to admit that there is absolutely no reason to believe that the results of the Florida and Ohio votes reflect the will of the electorate, and thus to admit that the current President cannot even claim to be duly elected, let alone have a 'mandate'. One might even question whether taxes should be remitted to an illegitimate central government. Americans, led by the disgusting American media, are trying to whistle past the graveyard, pretending that the problems are minor and would not affect the result. This is clearly nonsense. Not only is the result of this past election in grave doubt, but the entire status of the United States as a democracy will be in a shambles unless drastic action is taken to clean up this mess.>Wake up America!!! Western style democracy is the ONLY way for people to be free. The democratic peace theory (where democracies don’t fight one another-look it up) is the only proven peace solution besides force. The more “real” democracies that exist the less war and privation there will be in this world.

You’re either on our team or theirs. In fact, if you in anyway sympathize with the Iranian president, are against the war on terror in any form or wish to “heal the world” by slamming the USA I’d prefer you to be a John Walker Lindh and fight me head on. I’d much rather be shot from the front by my known enemies than stabbed in the back by my “supporters.” >It's widely asserted the United States is fighting a “war on terror.” But that's absurd.

Terror is a tactic – an attempt to undermine the morale of a much stronger foe, whom the “terrorists” know they cannot defeat in traditional battle.Terror is a tactic.

Imagine the New York Yankees taking the field against the Baltimore Orioles, and announcing their opponent this night is not the Orioles themselves, but that instead they are waging a “battle against the bunt.” They could bring all seven of their defensive players well inside the base paths, and pretty successfully stop the bunt. Of course, the Orioles would circle the bases like merry-go-round ponies after hitting what would otherwise be easily-caught flies to the outfield. But darn it, the bunt would be defeated.

Terrorism is a tactic. It makes no sense to launch a war against a tactic, no matter how nasty, because it ignores the fact that we or our friends may well choose to adopt tactics in which someone else might see similarities to the enemy tactics we condemn, and that meantime the enemy can simply choose another tactic. What tactic will we make war on next, the artillery barrage? The amphibious landing? Chess players resorting to the devilish fianchetto?

When is it we can reasonably expect a “victory” in this war on terror, whereupon we can sell off the airport metal detectors for scrap, fire all these TSA body-gropers, start carrying our hunting rifles onto the planes again, and tell the banks it's once again none of their business why we want to withdraw or deposit $50,000 in cash, since we're no longer looking for sneaky Arab terrorist money-launderers, and surely that stuff never had anything to do with red-blooded Americans dodging the income tax ... did it?

Besides, if we're engaged in a “War on Terror,” how are we going to decide whether our enemy in the Caucasus is the Russians or the Chechens? Which side initiated the use of terror, there? (Hint: The Chechens never tried to conquer Russia, leveling whole cities and kidnapping the children to be hauled home and raised in a foreign culture and religion.) After all, we can't make war on some terrors, and ignore others, and claim to be fighting a “War on Terror” ... can we? Wouldn't that be like fighting the 1940s Nazis in North Africa, but not in France, since France was harder to get to?

Since no one knows what the heck a “War on Terror” really means except the permanent institutionalization of the predictable paranoia of tyrants afraid their oppressed peasant classes will eventually wise up and shoot back, making the absurd claim that we're fighting a “War on Terror” easily justifies anything that makes our rulers “feel safer,” starting with the random search and disarming of domestic airplane passengers, subway passengers, and down-on-their luck residents being expelled at gunpoint from waterlogged New Orleans (by guardsmen bringing home the skill and habit of disarming civilians learned in their deployments to Bosnia and elsewhere, just as I've long predicted.)

What ever happened to fighting a war against – oh, I don't know ... the people who attacked us, regardless of their tactics?

And this may get us to the heart of the matter: Is all this nonsense merely so we can avoid confronting the simple but Politically Incorrect act of naming our real enemy?


Comment #30 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 2:37 AM

#'s 25 & 26

tenacious D wrote>>>"Let me tell you another, dirty little secret about theses "enlightened" “muslim” societies. They have what are called TCN's (third country nationals) that are little more than slaves. They come from poor countries like Bangladesh, India and other Southeast Asian countries. They toil all day, everyday for about 200 dollars a month. They are indentured servants, basically. What about that, you bleeding hearts? Don’t get me started about the treatment of women!!">You guys have some kind of incredible fantasy going about what is NOT going on in the United States.>Get your yoke and be led to the slaughter with the rest of the cattle. You American apologist liberals make me sick. He denies the holocaust, the history of Israel and continually asserts that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth and you would vote for him????!!!! UGHHH...

Tim wrote>>From CNN "Sanctions are not the best way to resolve international concerns over Iran’s resumption of its nuclear program, Russia and China have said ."


Ahmadinejad hasn’t denied that Europe persecuted the jews or that 6 million of them were murdered by the third reich – what he’s said is that this is not a good excuse for moving the problem of Europe’s racism to the Middle East.>If you believe for one second that he was "voted" in to office, you'd probably believe that Saddam was "voted" in as well.

Saddam won by a landslide every election with 100% of the vote. Amazing!!!! Please...and what's the deal with his kum-bi-ya routine? As if the Iranian president is some authority on human rights and peaceable living.>The overwhelming evidence from Ohio and Florida confirms that there was systematic vote fraud and voter suppression on a massive scale. Recounts won't help. You can't recount the votes cast on computer voting machines with no paper trail, and you sure can't recount the votes from those voters who never had a chance to vote. The only possible fair solution is to have another voting day in each state, closely supervised by a huge team of international observers and completely videotaped. Anyone who says that a re-vote is legally and practically impossible has to be prepared to admit that there is absolutely no reason to believe that the results of the Florida and Ohio votes reflect the will of the electorate, and thus to admit that the current President cannot even claim to be duly elected, let alone have a 'mandate'. One might even question whether taxes should be remitted to an illegitimate central government. Americans, led by the disgusting American media, are trying to whistle past the graveyard, pretending that the problems are minor and would not affect the result. This is clearly nonsense. Not only is the result of this past election in grave doubt, but the entire status of the United States as a democracy will be in a shambles unless drastic action is taken to clean up this mess.>Wake up America!!! Western style democracy is the ONLY way for people to be free. The democratic peace theory (where democracies don’t fight one another-look it up) is the only proven peace solution besides force. The more “real” democracies that exist the less war and privation there will be in this world.

You’re either on our team or theirs. In fact, if you in anyway sympathize with the Iranian president, are against the war on terror in any form or wish to “heal the world” by slamming the USA I’d prefer you to be a John Walker Lindh and fight me head on. I’d much rather be shot from the front by my known enemies than stabbed in the back by my “supporters.”


Tim wrote>>It's widely asserted the United States is fighting a “war on terror.” But that's absurd.

Terror is a tactic – an attempt to undermine the morale of a much stronger foe, whom the “terrorists” know they cannot defeat in traditional battle.Terror is a tactic.

Imagine the New York Yankees taking the field against the Baltimore Orioles, and announcing their opponent this night is not the Orioles themselves, but that instead they are waging a “battle against the bunt.” They could bring all seven of their defensive players well inside the base paths, and pretty successfully stop the bunt. Of course, the Orioles would circle the bases like merry-go-round ponies after hitting what would otherwise be easily-caught flies to the outfield. But darn it, the bunt would be defeated.

Terrorism is a tactic. It makes no sense to launch a war against a tactic, no matter how nasty, because it ignores the fact that we or our friends may well choose to adopt tactics in which someone else might see similarities to the enemy tactics we condemn, and that meantime the enemy can simply choose another tactic. What tactic will we make war on next, the artillery barrage? The amphibious landing? Chess players resorting to the devilish fianchetto?

When is it we can reasonably expect a “victory” in this war on terror, whereupon we can sell off the airport metal detectors for scrap, fire all these TSA body-gropers, start carrying our hunting rifles onto the planes again, and tell the banks it's once again none of their business why we want to withdraw or deposit $50,000 in cash, since we're no longer looking for sneaky Arab terrorist money-launderers, and surely that stuff never had anything to do with red-blooded Americans dodging the income tax ... did it?

Besides, if we're engaged in a “War on Terror,” how are we going to decide whether our enemy in the Caucasus is the Russians or the Chechens? Which side initiated the use of terror, there? (Hint: The Chechens never tried to conquer Russia, leveling whole cities and kidnapping the children to be hauled home and raised in a foreign culture and religion.) After all, we can't make war on some terrors, and ignore others, and claim to be fighting a “War on Terror” ... can we? Wouldn't that be like fighting the 1940s Nazis in North Africa, but not in France, since France was harder to get to?

Since no one knows what the heck a “War on Terror” really means except the permanent institutionalization of the predictable paranoia of tyrants afraid their oppressed peasant classes will eventually wise up and shoot back, making the absurd claim that we're fighting a “War on Terror” easily justifies anything that makes our rulers “feel safer,” starting with the random search and disarming of domestic airplane passengers, subway passengers, and down-on-their luck residents being expelled at gunpoint from waterlogged New Orleans (by guardsmen bringing home the skill and habit of disarming civilians learned in their deployments to Bosnia and elsewhere, just as I've long predicted.)

What ever happened to fighting a war against – oh, I don't know ... the people who attacked us, regardless of their tactics?

And this may get us to the heart of the matter: Is all this nonsense merely so we can avoid confronting the simple but Politically Incorrect act of naming our real enemy?

Comment #30 - Posted by Tim at May 12, 2006 02:37 AM

Comment #31 - Posted by: Tim Neal at May 12, 2006 2:47 AM

At 43, have been doing crossfit for about 3 weeks, with decent results in dymanic strength. However, last night, I went to a submission wrestling class for the first time. I did alright for a while, but it was clear that my conditioning needed alot of work. I got my butt kicked by a guy who I think I can beat when my wind improves. I guess its time to start doing some intervals.

Eva - like everyone else, when I saw today's picture, I sat here and said "Damn!" and then felt like a sissy myself :)

Thanks crossfit...

Comment #32 - Posted by: tooSoreToSleepIn at May 12, 2006 3:07 AM

So Tim, I guess its early, but after all that, who are you saying is the ememy?

Comment #33 - Posted by: Geoman at May 12, 2006 3:15 AM

A little love note from one imperialist religous leader to another. The fact that it's 80% true is why it's so very easy for them to recruit.

Eva is simply smoking hot. My wife agrees, so I can say that.

My 4 cents for the day. So far.

Comment #34 - Posted by: Bill Fox at May 12, 2006 3:58 AM

The way i see it is simple. Can either of these Presidents do Pistols??? :)

Sorry guys, politics just is not my game, i leave that up to better men, or worse as it would seem.

Comment #35 - Posted by: Aidan O Brien at May 12, 2006 4:10 AM

Geez, these guys make me want to change my name to Bill or Sue, or anything but Tim (to paraphrase Johnny Cash).....

Comment #36 - Posted by: TimC at May 12, 2006 5:18 AM

I work for a publishing company and one of our authors -- a Canadian Iranian professor who was working in Iran -- was arrested last week in Tehran. His crime? "Espionage," aka writing an article that criticized Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmacrazyguy's ideas about the Holocaust.

This intolerance of dissent and repression of freedom is something I'm willing to fight against (both abroad and at here at home).

Comment #37 - Posted by: mws at May 12, 2006 5:42 AM

Will be off this weekend, so postponed rest for a quick "Fran".

@95# thrusters.

Tommy A: 4:55
GAK: 4:54 (need more ROM on pullups)

EVA T: Hot. As. Fire.

Comment #38 - Posted by: Tommy A. at May 12, 2006 5:46 AM

#33 Those who promote endless war are the enemy.

http://www.loompanics.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/Articles/endlesswar.html?L+scstore+crby9688ff176a17+1147516172

Comment #39 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 6:03 AM

"I will not be PUNKED, and I will not let you be PUNKED either, even if you are too stupid to see it or too weak-willed to do anything about it..."

Great quote, I put it in the vault.

Comment #40 - Posted by: penty at May 12, 2006 6:30 AM

Tenacious D aka Dennis in Baghdad,

I agree with almost all of your points and your general position on the way, but you lose credibility with your absolute statements. "Western democracy" may be the only way you know for people to be free, but there are other ways either in the past or yet to come. The use of absolute arguements ("the ONLY way", "your on our team or theirs", "if you in any way sympathize...", etc.) removes hope and creativity as potential tools for discussing and solving difficult problems.

I'm on your team, but I may not agree with every point you make or position you support. I am against some parts of the "war on terror", but I'm not your enemy.

Thank you for your service in Iraq.

Comment #41 - Posted by: Jeff A. in Green Bay at May 12, 2006 6:38 AM

Tenacious D aka Dennis in Baghdad,

I agree with almost all of your points and your general position on the way, but you lose credibility with your absolute statements. "Western democracy" may be the only way you know for people to be free, but there are other ways either in the past or yet to come. The use of absolute arguements ("the ONLY way", "your on our team or theirs", "if you in any way sympathize...", etc.) removes hope and creativity as potential tools for discussing and solving difficult problems.

I'm on your team, but I may not agree with every point you make or position you support. I am against some parts of the "war on terror", but I'm not your enemy.

Thank you for your service in Iraq.

Comment #42 - Posted by: Jeff A. in Green Bay at May 12, 2006 6:40 AM

Tim, if you want to be taken seriously, don't post articles from "venemous butterfly." I'm sure this gets yuks at the Harvard/Yale/Princeton/Columbia teacher's lounge; it's pretty laughable here.

I'd like all the libs to explain one thing to me. If you are supposedly the ardent supporter of ALL human rights, anyone, anywhere, why is it you don't give a damn about the people Iran has said they intend to murder, the genocide they intend to commit, or the millions in their own country enslaved to the mullahs right now? Why is your support only for detainees with underwear on their head? Where is your concern for the human rights of Israel? Why doe the National Organization for Women never stand up and rage against Islamists who would enslave women everywhere and exterminate the ones who wouldn't take it?

Answer: You don't really care about human rights. You care about getting you point across, and you've duped people into thinking you defend the little guy. False. You defend only what you can from the saftey of academia or CNN. You aren't willing to do anything else, so you ridicule those that take action in hopes of making yourselves seem right. You're not fooling anyone anymore.

Comment #43 - Posted by: rpo at May 12, 2006 6:44 AM

rpo #43

Lets look at some of the points made,no matter what the authors name is (as if that matters).

“Terrorism” is a nebulous concept especially as those in power use the term. Their aim, of course, is not to define a precise problem and deal with it, but to create a specter to haunt the dreams of the people they rule. It is a sophisticated form of rule through fear in which the state convinces people to accept more and more generalized repression in their daily lives by presenting the image of a fearful and threatening outsider from which the state will protect them with its military, its police and its technologies of social control spread across the globe and into every sphere of daily life. But to maintain this image, the state must find terrorism everywhere. The nebulous way in which the term is used makes this easy enough. The terrorists, so we are told, are in fact everywhere - hidden in secret cells across the globe. So the policing of the world, particularly the fight against terrorism, is an endless task that justifies every use of force and every sort of repression."


Unlike the Roman Empire though, the current Empire has no outside. So where do the barbarians come from? In fact, the current Empire is creating its own barbarians in its midst. The process of dispossession through which the masters accumulate their wealth and power, places more and more of the exploited into highly precarious positions. Endless war and catastrophe throws millions onto the road as refugees. More and more find themselves homeless or jobless. The “dreams” of high-level consumption become meaningless to these people. What do they have left to say to the rulers of this world? And besides how does one say it, when one doesn't speak the language of the state? This civilization offers them nothing.

What distinguishes the revolt of the barbarians from the opposition of alternative politicians, of the parties, unions and organizations that claim to represent the exploited or whatever specific cause, is that the former makes no demands. It is an expression of rage that says all it has to say in the burning of banks and employment offices, the trashing of military recruitment centers, the fragging of officers. Such actions leave no room for negotiation or dialogue with power. If those who carry out such acts are often not too clear about their reasons, one thing is clear: their reasons are not reasons of state.

So an opposition to any particular war that is not a mere questioning of how the endless war is managed must also be a matter of barbaric revolt. Total insubordination is just the beginning. The attack against the institutions through which war operates is essential. But I am not speaking here about a military attack. The technological, organizational and structural formations necessary to make the global network of domination possible are also the sources of its vulnerability. In order to spread itself across the globe, the Empire has had to decentralize its institutions, structures and technological framework and accept the fragmentation inherent to its functioning. Thus, there is no Winter Palace to attack. Instead the targets are everywhere, and the methods and tools for attacking them are available to everyone. In such a context, the methods for developing, spreading and carrying out the struggles cannot be the same as those used by politicians of whatever kind. To continually march with signs to some symbolic institution of power in order to hear the various alternative politicians sing to the choir implies that we still have something to say to those who rule us. Better to stop listening to speeches and start listening and talking to each other. Better to stop waving signs in front of the institutions of power and to start attacking them. Better to learn to let the mass break up into smaller conscious groups capable of actually bringing a city to a halt and possibly inflicting some damage on the institutions of power. The war in Iraq has officially ended (though the military occupation certainly has not). The war against the exploited will not end until the Empire of Capital and the State is razed to the ground.

Comment #44 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 7:06 AM

Tim,

Keep drinking your Kool-Aid. Everything will be alright. I promise buddy.

I live in Ohio. I’ve lived there all my life. I have never seen any evidence of voter fraud. I don't know who runs the booths where you’re from, but in Ohio it's usually some dastardly, ulterior-motive driven, octogenarian syndicate women in league with an alien race that seek a human-alien hybrid so they can create a race of slaves when they colonize Earth. They intentionally keep the blacks, browns and the poor out. Just the way we like it in the Buckeye State! Whatever...

Evil, corrupt Ohio sent thousands of our troops (my buddies) to help with Katrina as did our sister State West Virginia. Those troops got shot at by looters and other miscreants. I lived with the refugees while training in WV. Ohio & WV opened their arms to those affected. I heard their stories and did what I could to help them. What did you do? Wax philosophical? That'll help ‘em.

I agree, terror is a tactic, but if you're comparing blowing up children to bunting-even as an illustration-misses the mark terribly. I could compare Iraqis to drowning swimmers with much more accuracy. Sometimes as a lifeguard you’ve got to knock out the panicking person you’re trying to save so they don’t drown you both. What we are going after is the MEANS of using that tactic not the tactic itself.

To use your chess analogy, we have to be three or four moves ahead of our opponent. They can afford to think one move at a time. Be it money, material, training ground, manpower etc...We will not falter, We will not fail. We can't.

We have to ensure that there's a world where people like you can pay money to moveon.org, line Michael Moore & Moby's pockets, give Al Gore something to do in his golden years and allow protestors to provide fuel to our enemies in this war of ideas. Thanks. Our job is tough enough already.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps it’s not in the best interest of the Al Sharptons and Jessie Jacksons of this world to actually achieve peace and equality? They’d, in essence, be putting themselves out of work. Interesting.

“If you can’t be part of the solution, there’s good money in prolonging the problem.” Get it?

For those of you who are looking for a silver lining in this war on terror, and for you naysayers to eat crow, here are two links I would encourage each of you to read. We are winning, despite the best efforts of our enemies, both foreign AND domestic which, interestingly enough, I swore to defend this nation from. Hmmm…anyway… here they are:

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014021.php
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq_zarqawi_s_strategy

We can’t fight all the wars in all the worlds but we must do what we can while we can. To whom much is given, much is required. Terror shouldn’t be carte blanche reason for everything, yes, but it’s good enough probable cause to kick in some doors now and then.

I love rest days!! Thanks Coach!

-Dennis in Baghdad

Comment #45 - Posted by: tenacious "D" at May 12, 2006 7:19 AM

rpo# 43 wrote>>I'd like all the libs to explain one thing to me. If you are supposedly the ardent supporter of ALL human rights, anyone, anywhere, why is it you don't give a damn about the people Iran has said they intend to murder, the genocide they intend to commit, or the millions in their own country enslaved to the mullahs right now? Why is your support only for detainees with underwear on their head? Where is your concern for the human rights of Israel? Why doe the National Organization for Women never stand up and rage against Islamists who would enslave women everywhere and exterminate the ones who wouldn't take it?>If you are supposedly the ardent supporter of ALL human rights, anyone, anywhere, why is it you don't give a damn about the people Iran has said they intend to murder, the genocide they intend to commit, or the millions in their own country enslaved to the mullahs right now?<<

Who said I don't give a damn about about people who may be in harms way? You,so as to make your argument sound solid? How do you know this? Do you eat propaganda for breakfast?

I have assembled a couple of facts about Ahmadinejad that one seldom, if ever, hears about in the mainstream media.

1) I’ll begin with the most important fact of all. Ahmadinejad doesn’t rule Iran, nor does he control its foreign or military policy. The man in charge of all that is Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Iran is a theocracy, and Khamenei is the theocrat-in-chief. To give you an idea of where Ahmadinejad lies in Iran’s political hierarchy, note that no one can even run for the presidency in the first place without the approval of Khamenei and the Guardian Council, a group of six clerics and six conservative jurists that are selected by Khamenei.

Ahmadinejad does have some influence over foreign policy, but he doesn’t steer it. None of his pronouncements should be mistaken for policy statements

2)Ahmadinejad threatening Israel or America is precisely parallel to America or Israel threatening Iran, which happens on an almost daily basis.

Pumping a couple tonnes of depleted uranium into the ecosystem of foriegn countries, sure sounds like the war to “defend your freedom”. One attack on their soil.. And they are allowed to attack whoever they want in the middle east?


Stamping around the world with 10000 nukes in your back pocket and by all indications getting frantic enough to use them…... a history of reliance on superior firepower to bring civilization to the heathens….. an inability to deal decently and reconize the rights of others….. the rape of the earth…. find anouther country an bomb it into the stone age….. yep seems criminal to me …....but the amoral monster is wrapped in a delusion of her own morality and the golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules…... the amount of ordinance dropped by the us on foreign soil in the last 50 years equals one 250 bomb for every living american ….... my god thats heavy karma…... i pray for a sane resolution…. but who can stop the wind?

Comment #46 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 7:31 AM

Not to change the subject, but can some one suggest some material on stretching. I really need to improve some flexability so that I can improve form and technique. thanks

Comment #47 - Posted by: Dustan at May 12, 2006 7:32 AM

Tenacious D>>I live in Ohio. I’ve lived there all my life. I have never seen any evidence of voter fraud. I don't know who runs the booths where you’re from, but in Ohio it's usually some dastardly, ulterior-motive driven, octogenarian syndicate women in league with an alien race that seek a human-alien hybrid so they can create a race of slaves when they colonize Earth. They intentionally keep the blacks, browns and the poor out. Just the way we like it in the Buckeye State! Whatever...>>Terror shouldn’t be carte blanche reason for everything, yes, but it’s good enough probable cause to kick in some doors now and then.>We have to ensure that there's a world where people like you can pay money to moveon.org, line Michael Moore & Moby's pockets, give Al Gore something to do in his golden years and allow protestors to provide fuel to our enemies in this war of ideas. Thanks. Our job is tough enough already.<<

First of all M. Moore and all those other lames you mentioned are not my cup of tea.
Secondly,as stated in my previous post,pumping a couple tonnes of depleted uranium into the ecosystem of foriegn countries, sure sounds like the war to “defend your freedom”. One attack on US soil.. And you are allowed to attack whoever you want in the middle east?But the amoral monster is wrapped in a delusion of her own morality and the golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules…...


Comment #48 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 7:53 AM

Dustan

Buy issue 3 of the Performance Menu from CF Norcal's site. Great piece on stretching by Greg. Pavel's stuff is also really good if you want more.

Bill

Comment #49 - Posted by: bill fox at May 12, 2006 7:55 AM

OK, new guy here. I started cf on Tuesday and wow. My goal is to get in shape for joining the local PD. What I really like is the information given on the site. I enjoy knowing the philosophy and science behind what I'm doing. I haven't trained seriously since a herniated disc in 2001, so I really have to scale the wod's down, but on Tue I did 5 rounds of Cindy (but the pullups were mostly negatives) in the 20 mins. Wed I did cfwux4 for time since I cant yet squat in my garage. Yesterday was an unplanned rest day so today i'll try the wod from yesterday with a broomstick since I've never done snatch before.

Eva... i could use a training partner and coach, what do ya think???

RE: Iran... I think we're in for some trouble before this is over. To all the warriors out there, BZ and keep up the good work.

Comment #50 - Posted by: Bob at May 12, 2006 8:00 AM

Comment #41 - Posted by Jeff A. in Green Bay

I dig what you're saying, bro. I hate that I have to live in a world of "absolutes" but that's just how it is. When I'm home and I can't decide between a quarterpounder with or without cheese I'll feel much better.

Never live life like a deer in the headlights, however. Choose a side of the road and run to it as fast as you can lest you be hit by the car. Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

Thanks for the support; it means more to us than you think.

Regards,

Dennis

Comment #51 - Posted by: tenacious "D" at May 12, 2006 8:01 AM

#47 Stretching - I would highly recommend taking a Pilates class at your gym. I've been going with my wife for the past few weeks, and I'm definitely feeling the results. Not only does Pilates help with my flexibility, but I'm also feeling my stomach and hips muscles getting stronger. I've read on a website linked to by crossfit (http://danjohn.org/liftq.html#Q_4) that stretching isn't necessary, and that you'll get the stretching you need just from lifting. To that I say "hogwash". I challenge any crossfitter that has only been doing the WODs to duplicate the flexibility of even a beginning Pilates instructor. Like I said in a post a few days ago, doing Pilates makes me feel like a weak, knotted-up, geriatric. As a 42 year-old freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling coach, I can tell you that flexibility is extremely important in my sport, and I'm sure that flexibility is also just as important to many of the others who do crossfit for their jobs and sports (Police, Fire, Military, MMA, etc.)

I'll get off my soapbox now by saying that while I am very much enjoying doing crossfit and am definitely a proponent of this style of workout, I would strongly encourage my fellow crossfitters to incorporate a flexibility component into your workouts.

Comment #52 - Posted by: Donald E at May 12, 2006 8:06 AM

Wow, and I thought those were 45's on their! Still pretty B-A-D...

Comment #53 - Posted by: James at May 12, 2006 8:09 AM

Tim (#46) said:

"...find anouther country an bomb it into the stone age..."

But it's so EASY to do that in the middle east; it's not a very long trip.

Comment #54 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 12, 2006 8:10 AM

tenacious D #45

On Voter fraud in Ohio:

maybe you were asleep during the problems in Ohio,here's what happened while you were catching some zzzz's

First there's : Video Supporting Ohio Vote Fraud Claim Revealed
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122404X.shtml

Then there's
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf


As Representative Conyers’s report, Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio, shows in great detail, the swing state of Ohio was carefully set up to deliver an apparent victory for Bush even though Kerry appears to have been the popular winner as well as the valedictorian-that-never-was of the Electoral College.

Also:

In “The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy,” Dr. Steven F. Freeman says:

“As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states [Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania] of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error.”

The odds of those exit poll statistical anomalies occurring by chance are, according to Freeman, “250,000,000 to one.” That’s 250 MILLION to ONE.

Did you know....

80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php

Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html

ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html

Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm

Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm

Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml

Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html

California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it. (See the movie here.)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

All - not some - but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html

Serious voting anomalies in Florida - again always favoring Bush - have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/


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Comment #55 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 8:12 AM

ABSolutely nice picture! :)
I got to find some time to workout today...

Comment #56 - Posted by: Daniel at May 12, 2006 8:13 AM

Did Isabel from yesterday
14:17 as rx'd
bw = 149 lbs.

Comment #57 - Posted by: AFT at May 12, 2006 8:14 AM

5k

28:05

Comment #58 - Posted by: domer at May 12, 2006 8:18 AM

Eva, you are amazing.

Javier

Comment #59 - Posted by: Javier at May 12, 2006 8:19 AM

“Terrorism” is a nebulous concept especially as those in power use the term. Their aim, of course, is not to define a precise problem and deal with it, but to create a specter to haunt the dreams of the people they rule. It is a sophisticated form of rule through fear in which the state convinces people to accept more and more generalized repression in their daily lives by presenting the image of a fearful and threatening outsider from which the state will protect them with its military, its police and its technologies of social control spread across the globe and into every sphere of daily life. But to maintain this image, the state must find terrorism everywhere. The nebulous way in which the term is used makes this easy enough. The terrorists, so we are told, are in fact everywhere - hidden in secret cells across the globe. So the policing of the world, particularly the fight against terrorism, is an endless task that justifies every use of force and every sort of repression."

Ohh... ohh... I get it! It's kind of like the American leftist's drivel against Bush and conservatives to control their populous base -- Never defining the true problem, never intending to actually fix anything, never providing facts or evidence to support hearsay and rumors of illegalities and wrong doing (off the top of my head let's say voter fraud). Things will never get better until we get those evil Republicans out of office. Those "Strict Constructionists", they want to take your rights away. Things won't get any better until we vote the Leftists into power. Then through constant encroachment on our civil liberties (as actually written in the U.S. Constitution) we can finally live in a freer Marxist utopia.

Is this really Al Gore out there? Come on guys, I'm cereal! Man-Bear-Pig is out there! (For you South Park fans!)

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And so I don't get pinged. No rest day, training for an open water swim. So I'll go for a 10,000 yarder today. Crosfit has been great! Thanks coach.

Comment #60 - Posted by: Blake at May 12, 2006 8:35 AM

Hmmm. look at EVA or talk geopolitics. Easy choice

Comment #61 - Posted by: mike at May 12, 2006 8:39 AM

I demand to see a new picture of Eva every day!!!

Comment #62 - Posted by: Tim Aalberg at May 12, 2006 8:39 AM

Tim,

What? Is that Kool-Aid spiked? Nice cut and paste job on your "research." I have a link for you:

http://www.mental-health-matters.com/disorders/dis_details.php?disID=29

Are you suggesting that the war waged upon innocents (by insurgents)in Iraq and the attacks during 9/11 are justified because of the depleted uranium some of our rounds use? Tell me you're not serious...

I grew up in Canton, Ohio of all places. That's where Diebold is located! WOW! What a coincidence! To think that all that power was centered in my little town five minutes walk from my front door. I guess that that power didn't amount to much as they will be shutting their doors very soon laying off hundreds of workers. Try again slick...I wish to God I were back asleep in Canton, Ohio.

It's the Sierra Club, isn't it? Is that more your cup of tea? Environazism at it's best! Wait a tick...you're not even from the US are you? Tonnes? Ah HAAA!!! Gotcha! Stay out of our business then, old chap!

Pip, pip and all that…

Regards,
Dennis


Comment #63 - Posted by: tenacious "D" at May 12, 2006 8:43 AM

This is the same rant I get from my criminal defendants who complain oh so loudly about the police abusing their rights and not at all about the injuries suffered by their victims. It is not worth discussion. They can never get to the point of willing to do anything to put the situation right. They can only complain about the supposed injustices done to them.

Thanks for the photo. It lets me see fault in my form.

Comment #64 - Posted by: Walt at May 12, 2006 8:44 AM

Wow, I'm totally in agreement with Tim Aalberg, We need motivational "post"ers like Eva everyday. And I'm sure there are others doing CF that are every bit as motivational.

Comment #65 - Posted by: Bob at May 12, 2006 8:48 AM

Hi all,
Workout
{Bsrrel jump 31.5"x12; Pull-upx14; and Press (95#'s)x10}x6.
Duration 14:07.
Bdw. 81.5 kilos.
Squats and snatches tomorrow...

Comment #66 - Posted by: Jonathan Jensen at May 12, 2006 9:14 AM

Team Peleliu

Tabata BTB squats, then run 1 mile
Doc B - 13/6:40
Lt D - 10/6:31
Lt E - 10/7:05
Capt E - 10/7:53
Lt M - 12/7:02

Max pullups test
Doc B - 26
Lt E - 24
Capt E - 10
Lt M - 35

Comment #67 - Posted by: Mulcahy at May 12, 2006 9:17 AM

I just got repatriated and went to check the WOD - instead found the tennis match between Dennis and Tim. To each his own.
But as each post certainly takes minutes out of the day...Tim, do you have a job? Or rather, are you doing it today?

Comment #68 - Posted by: Chain gang at May 12, 2006 9:40 AM

No comment on the discussion other than this: We, as Americans, spend more time bickering about who is "left" and who is "right", who is "liberal" and who is "conservative" than anything. If people could drop labels and realize that both side of the aisle, along with those of us that sit more midline, ALL have ideas for moving this country forward, we'd all be better off. "The left", "The right", "The liberals", blah blah blah. It shouldn't be us against us, but unfortunately, politics has to divide everyone into 2 nice neat little categories so they can lob handgrenades into each other's bunkers and "prove" how right they are. People better learn to work together before this great American empire finds itself displaced.

Comment #69 - Posted by: Scott Kustes at May 12, 2006 9:56 AM

Timmy, I'd like to first apologize for calling you a lib. I had no idea you were a communist.

First Tim, if you think terrorism is just a "nebulous concept", you haven't been paying very close attention. People are getting killed. Lots of them.

Second, I'm saying you don't give a damn about people in harms way. If you do, what are you doing about it? Wordy internet rants don't count Tim, nor does signing petitions or yelling in coffehouses.

Last but not least, I'll ask you the same thing I ask all of you. You know the US is a representative democracy. You know socialism\communism is not really the norm here. You also know the world is full of communism. If your dream is really to destroy the state and frolic in a worker's paradise, why don't you do it? It is widely available. Why suffer under this oppression when you could be in paradise with a short trip to Russia, China, Cuba, or a hundred other countries.

Answer: Because you also know that people like you don't last long in other countries. You know how dissent is treated in China don't you Tim? You're very brave in the US where it is safe to do whatever you want. Would you be so brave standing in front of the Ministry of State Security in China? I think we both know the answer to that.

You fellas are a dime a dozen Tim. You no doubt contribute to the capitalist system every day. Probably work for a company in the capitalist market.(If you're not a college professor.) Probably got a home loan from a bank that charges you interest and contributes to the capitalist market. We all know there are a 100 other examples. Or do you live on a commune?

Standard Chomsky- Become enriched in the US by the US system, and make your living bitching about it. Only in America, right Tim? See, you get shot for this in Iran.

Comment #70 - Posted by: rpo at May 12, 2006 9:57 AM

OK, I barely have the patience to get through the entire letter without closing the window and moving on, and I damn sure don't have the time to get through all the posts to see if my points have been made, so bear with me and my rambling sentences. I'll be brief.

First, I put no credence into the ramblings of a puppet who repeats what the Islamic world has said for years; that the Holocaust never happened. It offends me; it offends the world and the generation who fought against such tyranny. He uses this point as a pretext to assail the existence of Isreal and should have ended his letter by saying, "So, Mr. President, you see we have no choice but to bomb the f%^$ out of Isreal and free up the region for the peace loving former inhabitants. Hope you're OK with that."

Next, would the Iranian president like to acknowledge the fact that most foriegn language detainees in Abu Graib speak Farsi? Explain that one; so many Iranians in the middle of Iraq. Wrong turn at Albuquerque? Why no, they're there to kill Americans, plain and simple. How about blowing up the dome in Satr City? Us? No, Al Queda. And what about your buddies in Syria? Got a bunch of them in places you wouldn't expect, too.

Look, I'm no neo-con, Bush apologist, but I have learned some things going on in Iraq that opened my eyes. Funny thing is, the info comes from American servicemen and their first-hand accounts. They tell of a thankful Iraqi populus, not of rioting "insurgents." And the fact that we call foreign nationals in Iraq, "insurgents" pisses me off as well. We need to get Iraqis in charge of Iraq ASAP. Only thing is, most of the Iraqis being trained to take control run around with AK-47's set on "fire," when they should be set to "safe." Result? They litterally shoot themselves in the foot. Yes, I mean "litterally," not "figuratively."

So, to those in Iraq fighting the fight, feel free to confirm or deny what I've said. To the Iranian president and those who feel he's made some good points, I say, sleep with one eye open. These guys are going after Isreal the only way they can without being wiped out by a superior fighting force; with nukes. Any fool can see it by looking at Iran's, or is it Persia's, past. They ain't exactly peace-loving tree-huggers. They've killed guys for God's sake (again, litterally).

Oh, Greg Everett. You lucky, lucky man.
You know what I mean.

Comment #71 - Posted by: Ron Nelson at May 12, 2006 10:00 AM

To all who think Iran is evil and must be stopped - I agree, but:

1) You must convince your fellow Americans, more of whom watch American Idol than the news. What's your plan for that? Their agreement is what makes this a Democracy. (Or are we a Republic anymore?) Do you think insulting liberals is best way to bring them on board?

and,

2) it would be helpful to have Russia and China on our side. This is harder to do with Cheney insulting them. It suggests Bush doesn't really want to be successful.

Wishing you all well,
Eric

Comment #72 - Posted by: Eric at May 12, 2006 10:09 AM

^and this is why politics and religion are the great evils of this world.

Comment #73 - Posted by: mike at May 12, 2006 10:12 AM

Tim, I give you credit for preseting your opinion and defending it passionatly. I don't buy the Bush ballot stuffing conspiracy theory, but I like what you are doing.

Here is the thing - you are free to promote dissent without fear of prosecution. Sure, you'll get into plenty of angry arguments, but at the end of the day you are well within your rights to do exactly what you are doing.

I think that's cool. I also think that it is an important part of our society. Without dissent we lose one of the real checks and balances in modern democracy.

Dissent and free speach made Watergate what it was.

Dissent and free speach allowed Iran Contra, Madison Garunty, Monica Lewinsky and Enron to happen.

Dissent and free speach made the Articles of Confederation. They also were the co-stars of the Constituional Convention.


Give this one some thought - is the rest of the world, specifically the nations of the Middle East, better off with or without dissent and free speach?

-rob

Comment #74 - Posted by: Rob F at May 12, 2006 10:35 AM

rpo
The US is NOT a representative democracy, it is a republic. And just because someone is a little further left on the political spectrum than yourself does not mean they are a communist. Tim would more accurately be described as a post-structuralist from my estimation, which would be a FAR cry from communism. He simply chooses to open his eyes to the fact that capitalism benefits few and harms many more. Keep dreaming your dreams about some kind of impartial, fair market scheme. The day that citizens acquiesce to your demands for groupthink is the day this country goes down in flames. The point is not that you are right and he is wrong, or that democracy (or what we call democracy) is better than a theocracy, or conservatism is better than liberalism. The point is that we could be making progress as a global society; that we are sitting on our laurels and stroking ourselves over how good the constitution is, while we ignore opportunities to progress beyond unnecessary violence, absolutes, and suffering. We could be improving, but instead we're faced with arguments such as yours that want us all to go back to the 50's. You can go back to watching Hannity and Colmes now.
Peace, Billy

Comment #75 - Posted by: Billy at May 12, 2006 10:36 AM

rpo
The US is NOT a representative democracy, it is a republic. And just because someone is a little further left on the political spectrum than yourself does not mean they are a communist. They simply choose to recognize the fact that capitalism benefits few and harms many more. Keep dreaming your dreams about some kind of impartial, fair market scheme. The day that citizens acquiesce to your demands for groupthink is the day this country goes down in flames. The point is not that you are right and he is wrong, or that democracy (or what we call democracy) is better than a theocracy, or conservatism is better than liberalism. The point is that we could be making progress as a global society; that we are sitting on our laurels and stroking ourselves over how good the constitution is, while we ignore opportunities to progress beyond unnecessary violence, absolutes, and suffering. We could be improving, but instead we're faced with arguments such as yours that want us all to go back to the 50's. You can go back to watching Hannity and Colmes now.
Peace, Billy

Comment #76 - Posted by: Billy at May 12, 2006 10:37 AM

Billy, Tim believes that "The war against the exploited will not end until the Empire of Capital and the State is razed to the ground."

You think this is someone "a little further left on the political spectrum" and one that a "far cry from communism"? Yikes.

Comment #77 - Posted by: rpo at May 12, 2006 11:00 AM

Good Point. Communism is an economic system, not a government.

People confuse the two, and McCarthy did little to help the misunderstanding. What history has shown us is that many of the oppressive (if not facist) goverments of the 20th centry embraced Communism because it controlled individual's economic rights to ownership and income, which dovetailed nicely into their totalitarian ways.

For Tim to be a Communist, he would need to beleive that we are not entitled to our incomes, but rather get a goverment stipend each week on wich to live. And, we will perform a duty or craft in line with our abilities. Not sure that is Tim's point. In fact, I'm reasonably sure (just based on his posts) that the last thing Tim wants is to be fully supported by our current government.

You could argue that a true liberal wants Socialist economics with Representative Democracy running the laws. Lots of goverment-run ecomic programs, but the absolute freedom to vote for what is best for the nation.

Using that argument, a true conservative would look more like a Libertarian. Capitalist economy and representative democracy, but the governemnt side would be very small and restricted to constituional law. Self-reliance would trump social programs.

Neither are practical. The first option would end-up Orwellian. The second would end-up like a big Venesuela. Big businesses running things with a very small and rich ruling class, a very large poverty class, and small millitias settling disputes. No police. No infrastructure.


With some luck, somebody much smarter than me will get lucky and figure out the right combination. In the mean time, I'm going to go catch-up on yesterday's WOD.

Comment #78 - Posted by: Rob F at May 12, 2006 11:05 AM

Groupthink! Ha! Janis lives.

"They simply choose to recognize the fact that capitalism benefits few and harms many more."

Billy, I wish I had something to write about that but I can't stop laughing.

Comment #79 - Posted by: John Seiler at May 12, 2006 11:06 AM

Oh, and a message to the Iranian president:
"I hope you can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can."
-Ignignokt

Get ready for the awesome power of the quad-laser.

Comment #80 - Posted by: Ron Nelson at May 12, 2006 11:10 AM

Oh, and a message to the Iranian president:
"I hope you can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can."
-Ignignokt

Get ready for the awesome power of the quad-laser.

Comment #81 - Posted by: Ron Nelson at May 12, 2006 11:12 AM

Tim,
I'm astonished that you are still talking about the "stolen" elections. Did you know Kennedy "stole" the 1960 election from Nixon? Cook County had more votes for Kennedy than they had registered voters. Nixon believed that stirring up that pot would only serve to weaken the country in the views of our enemies and chose not to contest it. Perhaps your Karmic wheel rolled around to Kennedy three years later? Nevertheless, you don't catch me hinting everything done under his and Johnson's administrations was illegitimate.

Regardless of whether or not you believe President Bush won his elections, he IS your President; just like Clinton was my President for 8 sickening years. Get over it and "move on". Here's a suggestion, maybe if the Democrats had a plan for our Country, Bush's hand would be forced and he'd HAVE to do better. Now, quit whining and get to work.

Comment #82 - Posted by: John Seiler at May 12, 2006 11:18 AM

I love the concept of crossfit, and I was wondering if there are any crossfitters in the Dayton Ohio area?

Right now I am suffering from not having the appropriate gym equipment, but I am compensating by beginning the routine of running consistantly.

I am working on buying my first home, which one requirment is for the place to have a large enough garage to have the correct gym for real fitness.

BTW, thanks. I am sure you've heard that enough, Coach, but you're doing a good thing for people everywhere, and your example is greatly appreciated.

-James

Comment #83 - Posted by: James at May 12, 2006 11:20 AM

Today did 5x5 dl 300# with :01 rest. Then another :01 rest, and 5 squats with 205# sandbag lifted to shoulders from floor. Then :01 rest and 5 muscle ups (2-1-2).

Not bad. I think next time, maybe in a month, I'll go to sixes. Or cut the rest time. Or both.

Comment #84 - Posted by: Mike Joyce at May 12, 2006 11:37 AM

#64

"Let's me see the faults in my form"

That was a good one. LOL

Comment #85 - Posted by: bill fox at May 12, 2006 12:01 PM

This front squat picture is very good. However, I tihnk we need different angles to truly admire her form ;).

Comment #86 - Posted by: Big D at May 12, 2006 12:29 PM

I thought today was a rest day. With a picture like that, today I need to do a double. I would LOVE to have abs like that!

Comment #87 - Posted by: johnp at May 12, 2006 12:42 PM

Update to the notion that the letter to Bush is a declaration of war, forwarded to me by my brother:

The New York Sun, picked up by Powerline, had this to say about Ahmadinejadingdong's missive:

It turns out that the letter's closing salutation may well be
worthy of note. In its editorial today, the New York Sun writes:

President Ahmadinejad's letter to President Bush, widely interpreted as a peaceful overture, is in fact a declaration of war. The key sentence in the letter is the closing salutation. In an eight-page text of the letter being circulated by the Council on Foreign Relations, it is left untranslated and rendered as "Vasalam Ala Man Ataba'al hoda." What this means is "Peace only unto those who follow the true path."
It is a phrase with historical significance in Islam, for, according to Islamic tradition, in year six of the Hejira - the late 620s - the prophet Mohammad sent letters to the Byzantine emperor and the Sassanid emperor telling them to convert to the true faith of Islam or be conquered. The letters included the same phrase that President Ahmadinejad used to conclude his letter to Mr. Bush. For Mohammad, the letters were a prelude to a Muslim offensive, a war launched for the purpose of imposing Islamic rule over infidels.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014061.php

Comment #88 - Posted by: Dan MacD at May 12, 2006 1:01 PM

I don't normally comment but lately, have been more and more frustrated at the lack of action by our politicians. I salute all our brothers in arms and the sacrifice you are making. I'm a bit too old to join the military (38) and have a wife and two children so the prospect of deployment is a problem.

I am a patriot and fear our leaders are ignoring the flood across our borders while dividing the country into groups (black, hispanic, asian, white, gay, transgender, etc.) that are neither working together, nor trying to resolve differences. I fear those within the country are trying to divide and conquer and our enemies are all to willing to help.

For all those in positions where you are protecting our country, nationally or abroad, what can I do to help our cause? I am a total supporter of the minuteman project and am disgusted at how the administration is attacking them. Would it help to try to join some agency (e.g. Homeland Security, etc.)? Getting frustrated and want to make sure America stays in the hands of Americans.

Thanks,
Jim

Comment #89 - Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2006 1:03 PM

John #82,
I can't hear you laughing with your nose so far up Dick Cheney's rear end. Haha.

Comment #90 - Posted by: Billy at May 12, 2006 1:07 PM

Jim,
I think your fears are a bit irrational. We have had enormous waves of immigration before, and our country was not overtaken by the Irish, Russians, Italians, Germans, or Polaks. There is absolutely no reason why an influx of Hispanics or Latin Americans would compromise our national security. Like you said, no one is trying to resolve the differences between the groups. That's where you come in. I'd encourage you to do something more constructive than patrol the border with a gun. That's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
Peace, Billy

Comment #91 - Posted by: Billy at May 12, 2006 1:15 PM

I just wanted to throw in a little food for thought on some of this polictical talk. I can certainly see a case for humanitarian aid, but I believe that the main criticism of the US policy in Iraq and Iran is that humanitarianism seems to be VERY selective. For example, Turkey has for years been denying and "silencing" (read imprisoning or worse) critics of their systematic attempt to destroy, most notably the Armenian people, amongst others. Even to this day, they have made attempts to destroy the Kurds (weren't we concerned for their safety?), more so than the Iraqis. However, President Bush remains a staunch ally to them economically and in their push to become EU members. Contradiction? Just to note, I generallly fall slightly to the "right" on a political spectrum, but I can't help but call a spade and spade.

Comment #92 - Posted by: Greg Spilson at May 12, 2006 1:16 PM

I just hope we never come under Islamic law, 'cause we aint gonna be admiring women's abs anymore :)-Tim A.

Comment #93 - Posted by: Tim Aalberg at May 12, 2006 1:20 PM

Due to the obvious religious intent of this letter, though being poorly masked by left-winged, media-fueled biased propaganda, I will attempt to throw my .02 cents in. And since I am more versed in theological issues anyway, I will address those in a limited fashion here. Please bear with me past the intial argument.

YHWH (Jehovah) is not Allah, period. Nor is Allah, YHWH (Jehovah). Allah is yet another clever device used by man to suppress the truth that God has implanted in each one of us since conception (Romans 1:18-32). There is only one dividing line in all of humanity, surrender to the blood Jesus Christ or denial of the blood. A belief in monotheism does not make Muslims and Christians (and/or Jews for that matter) some sort of mystical or distant brethren. President Ahmadinejad is absolutely correct in that he will one day sit before the red throne of judgment, but he will be condemned, as all others who do not profess faith in Jesus Christ, His Son, not the mere prophet that Islam claims. God will not give Mr. Ahmadinejad nor any Muslims (or orthodox Jews) a free pass into heaven solely based on the fact that he professed belief in one God. The only question that will be asked in the Day of the Lord will be "what did you do with the blood of My Son?" Period.

Mr. Ahmadinejad consistently uses the term 'teachings of Jesus Christ' all throughout the letter. I beg to ask, has he ever actually read or studied the teachings of Jesus Christ?

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34.

And when Christ does speak of peace, it pertains to peace that only He can bring; inner peace that is resistant to change in external circumstances. 'Peace' and 'happiness' are man's notions of earthly wants that will never occur, because humans, by our very nature apart from Christ, will never allow it. We humans talk of peace in letters riddled with fluff, but publicly deny the irrefutable truth of Jewish genocide and threaten annihilation of those same people. Humans...

And even more divergent is Pres Ahmad's use of the term 'human dignity.' Human dignity is not referred to at all by Jesus or the rest of scripture. If anything, human dignity should not be something one tries to attain, for in that pursuit lays arrogance, pride and ultimate separation from God.

"And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."
- Matthew 10:38-39

God did not make us to give us dignity; we are created to give Him glory. Was Christ 'dignified' when He hung naked, starving, bloodied and beaten from a cross? Hardly; and we are told to expect no better:

"Remember the word that I said to you, 'A slave is not greater than his master ' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin."
- John 15:20-22

Onto the next point, and this one has received much discourse, but I will proceed nonetheless. The Islamic faith calls Christ a prophet, but how is He a true prophet of God if He also calls Himself God? He is either telling the truth (which rules Him out of being a prophet); or He is a liar (or a madman). I do not understand how Muslims claim to honor Christ as a prophet, yet ignore His claims to divinity.

Mr. Ahmad also states that, 'whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating toward one faith in the Almighty." I am not quite sure where he gets those figures. As far as the 'hundreds of million' Christians, I refute and say birthright does not beget obedience. Europe is no longer Christian, nor is the USA, and aside from small pockets in China, India and Africa, true lovers of Christ are a slim minority of this world. And just because one is born in a Muslim land, and thus thoroughly indoctrinated in Muslim culture, teachings, etc, and thus considered 'Muslim', it does not indicate that the world is embracing the Islamic or monotheistic faith (read Romans 1:18-32 again), it just means that Muslims are having babies (because missionary attempts to convert non-believers to the Islamic faith has not happened in well over 1000 years, if ever at all). No, the world is gravitating to moral relativism (i.e. no absolute truth. whatever you think is right, is right, and whatever I say is right, is right. etc.)

As far as Israel is concerned, I would be curious to see if Mr. Ahmadi would raise a fuss in the least if the Israel displaced, say a Hindu nation, or a Buddhist nation or a... a Christian nation... I love it how the Muslim world rallies to the plight of Palestinians terrorists in opposition to Israel (strangely those who gave Muslims the basis for their 'holy' book), but does not rally to the defense of genocide, human slavery, widespread sexual immorality, and warlords who oppress thousands, going on in their own borders. I still don't understand it how Pres Ahmadi wants Bush to rally under some presumed unified banner of monotheism, yet make public statements that call for genocide of monotheistic Jews.

Pres A needs to stop getting his political agenda from sources named CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera. We see the saw dribble each week, day in and day out from the media. (And oh how we love to lap it all up - whatever fits our notions of how we want the world to look).

Bottom line to everything is this.

1) As long as humans exist in the state that we do now, there will never be peace. Humans, apart from Christ, are ALL self-centered, self-serving and self-consumed. Period.

2) Christ is the only true solution to freedom. Democracy, theocracy and monarchy won't get you there. Freedom is not a political issue; it is the issue of the soul, waged on the battlefield of the heart.

3) We need to take this man and his threats seriously.

I wish I could touch on what really goes on in the Muslim world, as far as day-to-day is concerned, and be involved in this discussion politically. I will be there shortly, but until then I will listen to the men and women who have been over there and put there lives on the line for Iraqi freedom, no matter how fleeting Iraqi freedom may be.

Thank you to all those who have and for those who will one day soon. And thank you for reading this if you paid attention to my rambling this long.

In His love,
2nd Lt. Brian Abrams, USMC

Comment #94 - Posted by: Brian Abrams at May 12, 2006 1:36 PM

Billy, #90,

Actually, the reason you can't hear me laughing is because we're not in the same place. You see, you could be tens, hundreds, even thousands of miles away. We're able to communicate nearly instantaneously via an electronic medium known as the "internet"; a medium brought to us by (trumpets please) CAPITALISM!

Speaking of technology, I'll let you in on a little secret. The technology that brought us the internet and the economic boom of the '90s was the direct result of the prodigious amounts of R&D made possible by the defense spending and supply-side economics of the (trumpets please) REAGAN ADMINISTRATION!

If you'd have bothered to read my comment to Tim (#85) you'd see that I relish the idea of some competition for Bush and Cheney so they could pull their own heads out of their asses and get to work.

BTW, I think it's funny how your hoity-toity poli-sci dribble dried up when you realized there are folks here who know better. Since you can't hear me laughing, go ahead and imagine.

Comment #95 - Posted by: John Seiler at May 12, 2006 1:50 PM

#95

Al Gore told me HE invented the internet...

Comment #96 - Posted by: Brian Abrams at May 12, 2006 2:12 PM

Not an excercise today but I have a deadlift question. I tear the crap out of my shins when I lift the weight. Does that mean bad form or tough it out and wear long pants? Thanks.

Comment #97 - Posted by: Larry at May 12, 2006 2:27 PM

#94

Good to see you have fair and balanced view uneffected by your religous beliefs.

Comment #98 - Posted by: Bill Fox at May 12, 2006 2:32 PM

I want to say thanks to Coach.

Went to an annual golf tournement yesterday. Lots of old friends, most I only see once a year at the tournement. All my old friends commented on how fit I am looking and wanted to know how I was doing it. Thanks again I feel like Im twenty again (42). Look foward to the gym everyday.

Comment #99 - Posted by: Scott/NE at May 12, 2006 2:34 PM

Billy, #91

Are you kidding???!!!

The difference between the past and now is that those groups came here legally and wanted to assimilate into the society. You Libs keep confusing legal immigration with ILLEGAL border crossings. Don't think for a minute the vast majority of Americans don't recognize the difference.

And don't come back with the whole contribution to society BS. Who were doing the same jobs thirty years ago? Americans were doing these jobs. I wouldn't have so much of a problem if they didn't suck so much off the system. Here's just a sample:

1. Free health care. For a family of 4, I pay almost $1,000/month. Whenever I have to take one of my sons in after hours, the emergency room is crowded with hispanics. Our first son was born premature and spent 2 weeks in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit. Next to him was a hispanic baby whose mother would visit every couple of days. And no, she could not speak a lick of English and no, she did not have insurance. Who do you think picked up the tab for this one?
2. Uninsured motorist insurance. Why do you think every motorist has to pay the extra $$$?
3. Schools and ESL classes. Why do we have to pay for this?
4. Prisons.
5. The untold billions across the country spent on government forms in languages other than English.

If you come to a country to live and work, then learn the language. Don't expect the country to cater to you! Be a contributing member of the society and assimilate.

Tell you what Billy, why don't we just adopt the immigration laws of Mexico? Would that be okay with you?

Now, back to my question. Do any of you have any thoughts about what I can do to protect this country?

Thank you,
Jim

Comment #100 - Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2006 3:05 PM

Hey-

CFWU x 3

C/J 135lb x 30
every minute on the minute

Jump rope, HSPU, dips, L-PU, 3 x 250m row

Good luck in your training,

-K

Comment #101 - Posted by: Kevin Rogers at May 12, 2006 3:11 PM

Larry #97.

There's a great book called "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe. It coaches, in detail, four primary lifts - squat, deadlift, bench press, and overhead press.

The bar should be next to the shins, but not tearing them up. You probably have your weight shifted too far back to compensate for (I'm guessing here), too low of a position. The upper body angles of the squat and deadlift are very similar but the depth of the butt (shin to upper leg angle) is greater in the deadlift - meaning, you don't drop the butt quite so much. In a good squat, the butt drops below the level of the knees. In the deadlift, it does not.

Try to take some pictures of your starting position and compare them to the book. I suspect you'll see the problem right away.

Hope this helps.
Jim

Comment #102 - Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2006 3:30 PM

Birthday workout
bwt: ~112
Reps in 20 min of 45# pullups and 45# ring dips:
22 pullups, 21 dips
Clubbell mills: 15# x 45L/45R
Clubbell swipes: 15s x 45

Extra credit for guessing what birthday...

Comment #103 - Posted by: Lynne Pitts at May 12, 2006 3:31 PM

Wow Eva, you look awesome!!
And so does your front squat. That looks like some heavy weight!


Comment #104 - Posted by: jenika at May 12, 2006 3:40 PM

Deadlift workout:
bwt:175

3-225
2-245
2-255
2-275
1-295
1-305
1-315
1-320
1-325 (pr)

Comment #105 - Posted by: DF at May 12, 2006 4:36 PM

Kelly's birthday WOD:

43' hands only rope climb (actually 8 7' climbs)
43 HSPU nose to carpet, full elbow extension
43 120# trap bar deadlifts
43 kipping pullups
43 double 15# cb swipes
43 65# sandbag right shoulder walking lunges
43 65# sandbag left shoulder walking lunges
43 second parallette L-sit

18:12 - 118# bwt - 43rd workout birthday present for me. Unevenly weighted walking lunges are killer!

Looking great Eva! And I'll bet it's Lynne's 45th birthday.....so is David Wood going to celebrate too?

Comment #106 - Posted by: kelly moore at May 12, 2006 4:45 PM

Eva Twarkdokens is beautiful with or without the abs.

Comment #107 - Posted by: Jack Walcott at May 12, 2006 4:52 PM

I saw man bear pig at a park last week and he told me that he created the internet.

Comment #108 - Posted by: Brian at May 12, 2006 4:59 PM

John,
You have not mentioned anything approaching objective criticism concerning the Bush administration. If that were the case I would not have said otherwise. Second, your attitude towards any kind of poli-sci-ish rhetoric is indicative of the rants and raves of all your pals at Fox News, and it's the exact same attitude that steers our oft-misguided foreign policy adventures under Mr. Bush. I concede that capitalism has provided us with the gift of the internet. I did not say it is without redeemable qualities. Finally, my "hoity-toity poli-sci" talk dried up because I was away from my computer. You shouldn't get so worked up. I was trying to poke fun at our differences, but you insisted on turning it into some kind of defensive rant. If I had one thing to say to the conservatives of America I would say this: no one is out to get you. Your guy is in office.
Relax, Billy

Comment #109 - Posted by: Billy at May 12, 2006 5:02 PM

Jim #100
You fail to realize that we live in a pluralistic society. Again, no one is out to get you. I understand your frustration with the health care system. It stinks. Hispanic immigrants did not make it that way, but the decision to let the market decide who was and was not worthy of health care did. The jobs that aren't there for Americans is die to the fact that the U.S. tax code encourages corporations to send their jobs abroad. Prisons do not only house Hispanics, there are white Americans in there too. And with car insurance you can again fault the market for deciding you have to pay more. You can go to the border and keep out "Mexicans" with your guns, but that will never solve the real problems. So I'd encourage you to do more investigating on this problem.
Respectfully, Billy

Comment #110 - Posted by: Billy at May 12, 2006 5:12 PM

Fab abs!

Comment #111 - Posted by: karyn g at May 12, 2006 5:30 PM

Brian Mulvaney #26...

Thanks for the plug. You just can not get it through some of these guys brains that our President is not the enemy, a terrorist, or wanna be dictator. The only thing I can relate it to is Stockholm syndrom.

How do you view the world so backward as to see the person who wants to harm you, wipe Israel off the map, and does everything he can to create a nuclear weapon as a viable leader or icon, yet see the President as next to Satan?

These are the guys who see enlightenment in Che and Castro's "People's Revolution". You know the whole "Communism is a good idea, but just has not been implemented right... yet" crowd.

Somehow when a leftist becomes a dictator, destroys liberty, ruins an economy, criples productive spirit and holds an entire country hostage in a political and physical brain washing machine he is heralded as a hero, but a conservative, trying to protect our homeland and countrymen from evil charlatians and their hair-brained followers, should be punished for war crimes or atleast impeached for crimes against humanity.

I love these guys...they move to Iraq to prevent bombing as human shields by the U.S. only to see Saddam's general's having Anti-aircraft weaponry put behind them...and they were suprised. Being held hostage, then rescued and then thanking everyone but God and the Soldiers who got them out...and still have sympathy for the squirrel brained meat-sticks who kidnapped them at knife point and broke their shins. Somehow a goat rapist in Gitmo, who would shoot them in the face if he could aim his weapon, should be trusted when he cries of war crimes and rude captors, but SecDef Rummy, a dedicated public servant, should be questioned or even assumed guilty of crimes not even invented yet.

It reminds me of the little Goth kids and hippies who rebel against their parents for the sake of rebeling. I think the byproduct is called "SMUG".

All you can do, is keep these people from getting to be in charge of anything more important than a Starbuck's and protect them from the people they admire. It really is a disorder. They can't be happy...they chase happiness away and encourage misery in the name of "fairness", and if you don't want to be miserable( ie. accept what is best for you as defined by them) you must be silenced and/or chastised as mean spirited. Misery loves company.

They forgot to take off the "Bizzaro World" glasses and the aluminum foil hats at the kindergarden graduation party. This is how they can agree in principle if not in total with Iran's Ding-Dong.

Thank you and good night.

Comment #112 - Posted by: CCTJoey at May 12, 2006 5:33 PM

Eva is perfect in form, physique and personality. Keep it up!

Comment #113 - Posted by: lisa at May 12, 2006 5:38 PM

Dennis (multiple posts):

I'm off to see a lacrosse game in Canton tomorrow. While there I'll take a moment to send your greetings home. I'll also take a moment after the game to tell my son, win or lose, about the Canton native overseas who makes it possible for father and son free to be together in this grand Land of ours. Thanks from Ohio.

Darrell

Comment #114 - Posted by: bingo at May 12, 2006 5:40 PM

Re: #41, Vote Fraud - Dude, have you read the news lately? Diebold, the company who makes the voting machine system, has repeatedly been proven to be wide open from a physical, network, and programming perspective. Today's news in just the latest. See:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=diebold

Re: #75, Billy... Right on.

Re: #94, Brian... You scare me. Evolution and education are the only hope for the world. Dear Lord, please save me from your followers.

Comment #115 - Posted by: gav at May 12, 2006 6:07 PM

Bill Fox No. 85, OK, you're right, that comment worked on more levels than one.

The letter is a rant. Discussing it as if it were an attempt to communicate is not ever going to work. Good historical point Dan MacD.

Comment #116 - Posted by: Walt at May 12, 2006 7:02 PM

Tim,

It amazes me that pipe hitters stick their necks out to protect liberal pukes like yourself. I am a devout X-fitter but have never posted until today. I have a suggestion, move to France.

Cheers from Afghanistan

Lucky

Comment #117 - Posted by: Lucky Charms at May 12, 2006 7:14 PM

I have been greatly influenced by the book by Chris Hedges: "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning." I would urge people to read this. It's 185 pages, easy to read and retails for $12.95. Chris Hedges was a war correspondent for many years.

Comment #118 - Posted by: Ken Davis at May 12, 2006 7:25 PM

#115 Gav, thank you for reading my post, I know it was long and arduous. With that being said, what did I write that was false or misleading? If there are any holes or if you want me to divulge further, then please let me know.

As far as evolution and education being the only hope for the world, I am grieved that you blindly follow the dribble of the intellectual 'elite' of our day; rest assured though, it is not solely your fault. Aside from the many holes to 'evolution and education' answer to the world's ails, I will ask the elementary question of, what answers did the intellectual elite have for 9/11? More education for bin Laden? Would it have mattered if bin Laden received another engineering degree or pursued his PhD? Would that have saved the thousands of innocent dead and our current situation? And if we are to wait to 'evolve' where does that leave our present generation? We are a little screwed from that point of view, aren't we? Are not our children and their children and their children? What answer do the intellectual elite have for the grieving mother, father, wife, husband, son and daughter? Do they find comfort in knowing that we have much further to go in educating and evolving ourselves? If you have traveled at all around this world (away from the West that is), or spoken to those who have or studied those places, you will surely sing a different tune. You tell the starving child to wait around to evolve while he wastes away to nothing, while the 'enlightened' and intellectual behemoths (i.e. the West) struggle to not eat themselves to death. In that sense, I must ask you the question, who is more evolved, us or them? And if you can irrefutably prove to me that we are better off as a planet, and as a race of humans, than we were, in say the Dark Ages, then the 'evolution' claim might hold a little weight; but unless you have been outside of the comforts of the West, and/or the comforts of the tourist cities not of the West, then you will probably not be able to prove that we are better off I'm afraid.

No, sadly, if you have seen or been associated with death, it is not hard to see the fallacy of the 'evolution and education' answer. Moral relativism has given rise to the belief that we all go to heaven when we die, but the truth is, that statement is a lie. We don't all go to heaven. Only those who die in Christ do. Refute me know, but when you are faced with death, and laying in the bowels of the night, in solitude, you have to come to grips with these questions and the revelation that evolution and education can calm no restless soul.

The coming of the 20th century was to mark a turning point for the world as we knew it. Unprecedented peace and prosperity was to follow in the wake of unrivaled technological and scientific advancement the occurred at the end of the 19th century. We, as humans, were to usher in a new age with science as our God and human 'rationality' the answer to any problem that faced our race. We effectively killed God and displaced ourselves as masters of the universe. But just a decade and a half into this new age, we were confronted with grim reality that we were wrong. The 20th century was the deadliest, bloodiest and most depraved century the world had ever seen. Education, technology and rationality (while eliminating God) birthed fascism, genocide, world wars, weapons of mass destruction, communism, Nazism, and a Cold War, just to name a few. We were wrong, yet still, 'education and evolution' is our only answer.

Luckily, God's answer hung on a cross 2000 years ago. It is in Him and only Him that we can take refuge, and receive absolution and rest for wearied souls.

I pray that you see life of this world apart from your downtown apartment or your cozy suburban villa sometime before your heart is completely hardened over from the truth.

Respectfully,
2nd Lt B Abrams, USMC

Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
- Hebrews 10:28-29

Comment #119 - Posted by: Brian Abrams at May 12, 2006 7:29 PM

#115

Did you check any of the 46 links I posted?


"Kerry Won" was not a two-day inquiry à la Times. It was the latest in a series of investigative reports coming out of a four-year team examination, begun for BBC Television's Newsnight, Britain's Guardian papers and Harper's Magazine, dissecting that greasy sausage called American electoral democracy.

www.gregpalast.com/podcasting/ArmedMadhouse3-15.mp3

www.gregpalast.com/podcasting/ArmedMadhouse3-17.mp3


Rumor is that President Bush's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, may run for president. Rumor is? According to Florida voting machines, he's already won.
-Jay Leno

rpo wrote>>Last but not least, I'll ask you the same thing I ask all of you. You know the US is a representative democracy. You know socialism\communism is not really the norm here. You also know the world is full of communism. If your dream is really to destroy the state and frolic in a worker's paradise, why don't you do it? It is widely available. Why suffer under this oppression when you could be in paradise with a short trip to Russia, China, Cuba, or a hundred other countries. >"You just can not get it through some of these guys brains that our President is not the enemy, a terrorist, or wanna be dictator. The only thing I can relate it to is Stockholm syndrom."<<


It's not just the President,it's the whole Straussian neo-con regime.

Let me break it down for you who have labeled me "Communist,Liberal,etc."

Am I a socialist? The answer is no. But I am on the outside looking in, and I can assure you that what you get in the U.S. press if as far from the truth as is possible. It's as subliminally loaded and distorted as the computer generated world in the movie Matrix. I'm neither celebrating Cuba nor socialism. I'm mourning the US government's lack of honesty, its tendency towards data-distortion, as well as its impoverished level of factual information about the world. If you live in America, you live like a blind fetus in a tank where all of the incoming data is as make-believe as a fairy tale and as deadly as a cobra. When you're on the outside looking in, it all becomes apparent.


'Operation Just Cause,' 'Desert Storm,' etcetera, etcetera, ad nauseum. What does the accolade Desert Storm mean? Does it mean that 500 civilians, mostly women and children, are going to get burned alive in a Baghdad bomb shelter? Does it mean that thousands of American GIs are going to get Gulf War Syndrome, and be forgotten? Or does it inspire a view of a clear blue, morning movie set with Gregory Peck heroically leading a squadron of fighter planes on a dawn raid against a villainous enemy? (Badly out-numbered, though they are, our heroes save the day.) Where's Yossarian? Where are the forgotten victims of Gulf War Syndrome? That's for later, after the movie and the popcorn... when the ether created by the false name wears off and reality sets in.


The use of a false cinematic name for unspeakable acts is like someone splashing on a bottle of sweet smelling perfume when they stink. What kind of idiot would use the name of a movie to describe a war? What kind of people would accept it without comment or protest? Why not call World War II, 'Gone With The Wind,' and Vietnam, 'Doctor Kissinger's Magic Show?' If the propaganda ministers in Washington D.C. paste a cinematic name on an atrocity, it does not change the fact that it is an atrocity. Nor does it change its true nature.

From the outside looking in, it is clear that the Emperor is stark naked, as well as obscene (It's also clear that he is much in need of liposuction.), but the saddest part is the audience accepts the tinsel-town name and views the savagery as soap opera, while the media orchestrated public debate that accompanies the film bites is carried out and accepted as if it were truth. Which it is not. Manipulated consensus does not change reality, nor is truth up for popular vote.

What clouds the average American's perception of their growing lack of liberty and the possibility of escape, is an overabundance of double-speak rhetoric. If we can't see the subliminal language, we end up unable to go forward.

The government of the United States of America, if it does anything well, does a superb job in its advertising department. (What Goebbels called propaganda, what Orwell called double-speak.)

If they have a violent intention which is unjust and which violates dozens of U.N. as well as Organization of America States Charters, then what do they do but call it 'Operation Just Cause.' Just cause was exactly what it was not. My pointing this out is just plucking the goose, none of this is something new, nor something that has gone unnoticed by the entire world. The fact that it too often goes unnoticed by a large percentage of Americans is an abomination.

The label 'Just Cause,' for something unjust, is like the statement 'Ignorance is Strength,' in the novel 1984 by George Orwell. It's double-talk that is stated ass-backwards, the direct opposite of truth, and if it is accepted as truth, then truth loses it's meaning, (and thereby its value.) Former U.S. Senator Bob Bauman, recently sent me an article he wrote entitled, "Anti-Terrorism Tyranny," in which he quotes the following from the Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald. "The land of the free becomes the home of the hypocrite." The "hypocrite," says the Herald article, is the government of the United States of America. Specifically, says the article, it is the politicians responsible for the radical US anti-terrorism laws that have trampled traditional American freedoms at the same time these same politicians are calling other nations to task regarding their lack of freedom.

The increasing loss of freedom in America has recently escalated through the roof. Yet, this loss of freedom is being described as an increase in the protection of freedom, thereby, an expansion of freedom. If you believe that a loss of freedom means an increase in freedom, then you also believe that ignorance is strength and that the use of Stealth bombers on a nation with no radar nor air force is a 'just cause.'

I saw a recent interview of black Americans on BBC news concerning the events of 11 September. (An interview not seen in the United States.) To a person, they all made a very similar statement. What they said was something to the effect of, "No one does something like that to you unless you did something to them first." Hearing it, it dawned on me that it was the first time that I heard reference to what is obvious about 11 September being made by an American on television. Yet, despite the fact that the obvious was never stated, the so-called increase in protection required by the events of 11 September are being blamed on everyone and everything but U.S. foreign policy. You lose freedom, but it is to protect your freedom, and it's everyone else's fault, it has nothing to do with U.S. foreign policy.


As for many of your attempted attacks on me the "Communist,lib"or whatever else I say that
Communism is not an adequate model for the production of freedom, nor has any socially oriented economic system worked anywhere in the world other than in the Scandinavian nations. It has worked exceedingly well in Sweden. But overall Communism is a theory gone wrong. Is there anything new in your comments? America is full of people who get silly and emotional over the words socialism and communism. Theories rise and fall, they have since we crawled out of the mud.

What is passed off as capitalism by the U.S. government, resembles capitalism only in it's most orchestrated form.

The orchestration of economics is geared to produce slaves and beneficiaries and it does so very efficiently. There are plenty of bright people who would argue that this isn't so. They will tell you that the current style of orchestrated capitalism will produce a better world. They are either idiots, willfully blind, have a vested interest to obfuscate the facts, or they are bullshitters.

Am I a socialist? The answer is no.

I want to analyze the conditions of the world, including Cuba, by my own goddamn standards; not those of Rumsfeld, Bush, or their brutal military junta. If I try to view things with an unbaised clarity it is because that is what I believe is my intellectual responsibility.


Knee-Jerk is fine, if you like an endless loop tape recording based on the undigested opinions you get on television.... but you need to use your own eyes to see the world, not Ted Turners.


Comment #120 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 8:02 PM

rpo #70 >>Last but not least, I'll ask you the same thing I ask all of you. You know the US is a representative democracy. You know socialism\communism is not really the norm here. You also know the world is full of communism. If your dream is really to destroy the state and frolic in a worker's paradise, why don't you do it? It is widely available. Why suffer under this oppression when you could be in paradise with a short trip to Russia, China, Cuba, or a hundred other countries. <<

I guess when you assume you make an ass out of you,not me.

I live and have lived for the last 2 years in Yangzhou City,Jiangsu Province in the People's Republic of China thank you very much.

Comment #121 - Posted by: Tim at May 12, 2006 8:12 PM

Crossfits in China!?!? wow that's great!

Comment #122 - Posted by: Brian Abrams at May 12, 2006 8:20 PM

TIM:
"I live and have lived for the last 2 years in Yangzhou City,Jiangsu Province in the People's Republic of China thank you very much."

No, really... thank you very much!!! And you say it so SMUG, like you moved to San Fransisco.

YES!!!! I knew it!!!! You are a communist sympathizing, America bashing, Red Diaper Doper Baby!!!! The PEOPLE's Republic of china!!!!!

You talk about double-speak...wow!!! That is straight out of the text books.

#*$#(#...."I guess when you assume you make an ass out of you,not me." The only thing he was an ass about was to assume you were not as pathetic as you are.

You are too good to be true... a real live PINK-O who moved to RED CHINA...Tienamin Square.... baby girls tossed in the woods like bath water....1 child rule...massive poverty.

You talk about the lack of truth the press tells here...propaganda....you live in *)##&$ China...
"
Type these phrases into google: "I hate China" or "China can kiss this pansy's ass" or how about "Communism blows...I would rather be DEAD than RED!!!" or "non-government run church sermon". I know how about "I want to have daughters" or "Liberty would be a good idea"

You have got to be %&(##$ me man...."brutal military junta"...you live in CHINA where their officers get promoted based on how they right articals and doctrine about conquering the U.S.. Where they have thrown unarmed men in swarms to take a hill to spread communism. They ran over their own people with %^#(# tanks... Disscenters go to PRISON or DIE! The enlisted guys are slave labor and dedicated cannon fodder.

Double Speak....Propaganda....you are a first-class $#*#$

Nice job man. You have made my arguement for me. The volunteer communist...let me guess you just live there and live off of your american income, but you sure admire the government..."THE PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT"

Like those Castro lovers...all about kissing his thug ass. "There is free health care and schooling"... and you get what you pay for....

This is classic...can there be anything more to put me in a better mood. Please Tim I beg you tell us more.


"CCTJOEY...PROUD MEMBER OF THE BRUTAL MILITARY JUNTA!!!!!!"

Comment #123 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 12, 2006 9:09 PM

b abrams (94, 119), well stated

Comment #124 - Posted by: mfbunch at May 12, 2006 9:10 PM

That letter was red meat to the other hyper-masculine fanatics on the other side. One self-righteaous side inflaming the other self-righteous side.

If some of you guys were born in Iran you'd be barking up a storm about the great satan America...It feels good to be violently opposed to something. It appeals to something deep in our tribal nature...

They want to destroy us, we want to destroy them. And the fanatics on both sides are happy as clams...

Comment #125 - Posted by: Tristram at May 13, 2006 12:44 AM

Well, we certainly know one person that's not hyper-masculine. That'd be you Tristam. Still waiting to see you post an actual WOD result to go along with your endless screeds on off days.

Comment #126 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 13, 2006 5:19 AM

row 5000m concept 2 20:00

Comment #127 - Posted by: Parksurg at May 13, 2006 5:29 AM

Don't worry Matt G, I'm sure he can't do as many pull-ups as you, sweetheart.

Comment #128 - Posted by: Ricky at May 13, 2006 5:55 AM

I've stopped doing pullups Ricky. They are a tool of the capitalist pigs...Cheney, Bush, etc. Also, I realize that the fact I could do more of them than other people could was not fair to those who spend their free time sitting on the couch with a box of Twinkies...it made them feel inadequate.

Instead I've decided to dedicate my life to teaching the world to sing...I'm trying to decide which song. I think Kumbaya might be the way to go. I considered the Marine Corps' Hymn, but that whole capitalist pig thing kinda killed that thought.

Comment #129 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 13, 2006 7:17 AM

#123 CCTJoey

"I knew it!!!! You are a communist sympathizing, America bashing, Red Diaper Doper Baby!!!! The PEOPLE's Republic of china!!!!!"

I live and work in China for the time being,I have lived and worked in a few countries since leaving the US. America is full of people who get silly and emotional over the words socialism and communism.

CCTJOEY "You are too good to be true... a real live PINK-O who moved to RED CHINA...Tienamin Square.... baby girls tossed in the woods like bath water....1 child rule...massive poverty."


Does where I am change the facts that I've posted?


CCTjoey>>You have got to be %&(##$ me man...."brutal military junta"...you live in CHINA where their officers get promoted based on how they right articals and doctrine about conquering the U.S.. Where they have thrown unarmed men in swarms to take a hill to spread communism. They ran over their own people with %^#(# tanks... Disscenters go to PRISON or DIE! The enlisted guys are slave labor and dedicated cannon fodder.<<


You've got to be kidding me CCTJoey,you live in AMERICA where the United States Army Uses the American Population as Guinea Pigs for Chemical and Biological Weapons Experiments

From Rogue State
by William Blum:

The Army has acknowledged that between 1949 and 1969, 239 populated areas from coast to coast were blanketed with various organisms during tests designed to measure patterns of dissemination in the air, weather effects, dosages, optimum placement of the source and other factors. Testing over such areas was supposedly suspended after 1969, but there is no way to be certain of this. In any event, open air spraying continued at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah.

Following is a small sample of the tests carried out in the 1949-69 period:

Watertown, N.Y. area and Virgin Islands

1950:
The Army used aircraft and homing pigeons to drop turkey feathers dusted with cereal rust spores to contaminate oat crops, to prove that a “cereal rust epidemic” could be spread as a biological warfare weapon.

San Francisco Bay Area

September 20-27, 1950:
Six experimental biological warfare attacks by the US Army from a ship, using Bacillus globigii and Serratia marcescens, at one point forming a cloud about two miles long as the ship traveled slowly along the shoreline of the bay.

One of the stated objectives of the exercise was to study “the offensive possibilities of attacking a seaport city with a BW [biological warfare] aerosol” from offshore.

Beginning on September 29, patients at Stanford University’s hospital in San Francisco were found to be infected by Serratia marcescens. This type of infection had never before been reported at the hospital. Eleven patients became infected, and one died.

According to a report submitted to a Senate committee by a professor of microbiology at the State University of New York at Stony Brook: “an increase in the number of Serratia marcescens can cause disease in a healthy person and...serious disease in sick people.”

Between 1954 and 1967, other tests were carried out in the Bay Area, including some with a base of operations at Fort Cronkhite in Marin County.

Minneapolis

1953:
61 releases of zinc cadmium sulfide in four sections of the city, involving massive exposure of people at home and children in school.

The substance was later described by the EPA as “potentially hazardous because of its cadmium content”, and a former Army scientist, writing in the professional journal Atmosphere Environment, in 1972, said that cadmium compounds, including zinc cadmium sulfide, are “highly toxic and the use of them in open atmospheric experiments presents a human health hazard”. He stated that the symptoms produced by exposure to zinc cadmium sulfide include lung damage, acute kidney inflammation and fatty degeneration of the liver.

St. Louis

1953:
35 releases of zinc cadmium sulfide over residential, commercial and downtown areas, including the Medical Arts Building, which presumably contained a number of sick people whose illnesses could be aggravated by inhaling toxic particles.

Washington, DC area

1953:
Aerial spraying from a height of 75 feet of zinc cadmium sulfate combined with lycopodium spores. The areas sprayed included the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland and Leesburg, Virginia, 30 miles from the capital.

In 1969, the Army conducted 115 open-air tests of zinc cadmium sulfate near Cambridge, Maryland.

Earlier in the 1960s, the Army covertly disseminated a large number of bacteria in Washington’s National Airport to evaluate how easy it would be for an enemy agent to scatter smallpox through the entire country by infecting air travelers.

The bacterium used, Bacillus subtilis, is potentially harmful to the infirm and the elderly, whose immune system is impaired, and to those with cancer, heart disease or a host of other ailments, according to a professor of microbiology at the Georgetown University Medical Center. A similar experiment was carried out at the Washington Greyhound bus terminal.

Sometime during Richard Nixon’s time in office (apparently 1969), the Army “assassinated” him with germs via the White House air conditioning system.

And at a building used by the Food and Drug Administration, the Army surreptitiously placed a (supposedly harmless) colored dye into the water system. Whether anyone suffered harm from drinking a certain quantity of that water is not known.

Florida

1955:
The CIA conducted at least one open-air test with whooping-cough bacteria around the Tampa Bay area. The number of whooping cough cases recorded in Florida jumped from 339 and one death in 1954 to 1,080 and 12 deaths in 1955. The Tampa Bay area was one of three places that showed a sharp increase in 1955.

Savannah, Georgia and Avon Park, Florida

1956-58:
The Army, wishing to test “the practicality of employing Aedes aegypti mosquitos to carry a BW agent”, released over wide areas hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of this mosquito, which can be a carrier of yellow fever and dengue fever, both highly dangerous diseases. The Army stated that the mosquitos were uninfected, but prominent scientists said that, for several reasons, the experiment was not without risk, and was a “terrible idea”. The actual effects upon the targeted population will probably never be known.

New York City

Feb. 11-15, 1956:
A CIA-Army team sprayed New York streets and the Holland and Lincoln tunnels, using trick suitcases and a car with a dual muffler.

June 6-10, 1966:
The army report of this test was called “A Study of the Vulnerability of Subway Passengers in New York City to Covert Attack with Biological Agents”. Trillions of Bacillus subtilis variant niger were released into the subway system during rush hours.

One method was to use light bulbs filled with the bacteria; these were unobtrusively shattered at sidewalk level on subway ventilating grills or tossed onto the roadbeds inside the stations. Aerosol clouds were momentarily visible after a release of bacteria from the light bulbs. The report noted that “When the cloud engulfed people, they brushed their clothing, looked up at the grating apron and walked on.”

The wind of passing trains spread the bacteria along the tracks; in the time it took for two trains to pass, the bacteria were spread from 15th Street to 58th Street. It will never be known how many people later became ill from being unsuspecting guinea pigs, for the United States Army exhibited not the slightest interest in this question.

Chicago

1960s:
The Chicago subway system was the scene of a similar Army experiment.

Stockyards

November 1964 to January 1965:
The Army conducted aerosol tests over stockyards in Texas, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota, Iowa and Nebraska, using “anti-animal non-biological simulants”. It’s not clear why stockyards were chosen, or what effect this might have had upon the meat consumed by the public.


* * *

Added note : If the U.S. military-government would use the American people as guinea pigs during the 1950s and 1960s, you can bet they did it in the 1970s, ’80s, ’90s — and are doing it right now.


Also In an attempt to justify their own activities, some of the German doctors on trial at Nuremberg cited American experiments as part of their defense.

A Few Good Mengeles

One Nazi doctor cited in his defense the work of American Colonel Dr. Richard P. Strong later Professor of Tropical Medicine at Harvard who infected Philippine convicts with cholera and the bubonic plague, killing 18 people. Survivors were compensated with cigars and cigarettes.

A Dachau doc referred to the work of public health official Dr. Goldberger, who in 1915 produced the disease pellegra in Mississippi convicts. One test subject said that he had been through, "a thousand hells," and another swore he would choose a lifetime of hard labor rather than go through such an experiment again.

Also cited were a series of experiments conducted in 1944 in a Chicago prison where 441 convicts were infected with malaria. British Medical Journal
commentary: "One of the nicest American scientists I know was heard to say:
'Criminals in our penitentiaries are fine experimental material and much
cheaper than chimpanzees."


While the Nazi experiments were stopped, there was tremendous expansion in prison experimentation in postwar America. The world now had the Nuremberg Code though, whose first principle precluded the use of prisoners. The American medical community either claimed ignorance of the document or ignored it.

Federal prisoners, for example, were enlisted in a broad range of clinical studies that included... hepatitis, syphilis, and amebic dysentery, and additional malaria experiments. State prisoners were considered to be equally valuable and were soon utilized for studies of... flash burns 'which might result from atomic bomb attacks.'

The Ohio state prison system, for example, allowed researchers from the Sloan Kettering Institute... to inject at least 396 inmates at the Ohio State Prison with live cancer cells so researchers could study the progression of the disease. Between 1963 and 1971, radioactive thymidine, a genetic compound, was injected into the testicles of more than one hundred prisoners at the Oregon State penitentiary to see whether the rate of sperm production was affected by exposure to steroid hormones.

Professor Emeritus of Dermatology Albert Kligman multi-millionaire inventor of Retin-A - was paid by the Dow Chemical Company to test the effects of dioxin on human subjects. Kligman applied the most powerful known carcinogen to the skin of 70 prisoners. In 1966, Kligman said to a reporter -
speaking of his access to Holmesburg prisoners - "All I saw before me were acres of skin.... It was an anthropoid colony... which wasn't going anywhere....
I was like a farmer seeing fertile field for the first time"

At a California medical facility between 1967 and 1968, prisoners were paralyzed with succinylcholine, a neuromuscular compound. Because their breathing capacity was shut down, many likened the experience to drowning. When five of the sixty-four prisoners refused to participate in the experiment, the institution's special treatment board gave 'permission' for prisoners to be injected against their will. Experi-ments on prisoners openly continued until 1976.

First, Do No Harm

The landmark article on human experimentation was written by Harry Beecher. It was rejected by JAMA, but picked up by the New England Journal of Medicine. It created a furor both inside and outside the medicalprofession. He described a sampling of experiments he gleaned from the medical literature at the time detailing prestigious scientists egregiously violating Nuremburg principles.

Dr. Alf Alving of the University of Chicago under [a government grant]... purposely infected [Illinois State Hospital
psychotic, back-ward patients] with malaria through blood transfusions and then gave them experimental antimalarial therapies.

Dr. Saul Krugman purposefully infected retarded children with hepatitis. He became the chairman of pediatrics at New York
University and won the Lasker prize (the American equivalent of the Nobel).

Dr. Chester Southam injected cancer cells into elderly and senile patients.
The subjects were merely told they would be receiving "some cells," the word cancer was entirely omitted. Dr. Chester Southam was elected president of the American Association for Cancer Research.

This Won't Hurt a Bit

The list goes on. In 1963, the United States Public Health Service, the American Cancer Society, and the Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital of Brooklyn, participated in an experiment in which physicians injected live cancer cells into twenty-two chronically ill and debilitated African American patients. The patients did not consent, nor were they aware that they were being injected with cancer.

During the 1970s, the government collected blood samples from seven thousand Black youths. Parents were told that their children were being tested for anemia, but instead, the government was looking for signs that the children were genetically predisposed to criminal activity.

At least eighty-two "charity" patients were exposed to full-body radiation at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center. The patients were exposed to radiation ten times the level believed to be safe at the time twenty-five patients died. Three-quarters of the patients in the study were Black men and women. The consent signatures were forged.

Loretta Bender, president of the Society of Biological Psychiatry: "In the
children's unit of Creedmore State Hospital with a resident population of 450 patients, ages 4 to 15, we have investigated the responses of some of these children to lysergic acid [LSD] and related drugs in the psychiatric,
psychological, and biochemical areas."


On November 19,1996, the Secretary of Energy announced that a $4.8 million settlement will be paid to the families of 12 people injected with radioactive materials during the Cold War period. The official "Report of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments" was published in JAMA. The committee found, "serious deficiencies in the current system of protections for human subjects...."

Unlucky charms. Beginning in 1949, the Quaker Oats company, the National Institutes of Health, and the Atomic Energy Commission fed minute doses of radioactive materials to boys at the Fernald School for the mentally retarded in Waltham, Massachusetts via breakfast cereal. The unwitting subjects were told that they were joining a science club. The consent form sent to the boys' parents made no mention of the radiation experiment. Tricks are for kids.

The Advisory Committee reserved its harshest criticism for those cases in which physicians used patients without their consent
as subjects in research from which the patients could not possibly benefit medically. These cases included a series of experiments in which 18 patients, some but not all of whom were terminally ill, were injected with plutonium at... the University of Chicago and the University of California, San Francisco, as well as 2 experiments in which seriously ill patients were injected with uranium, 6 at the University of Rochester and 11 at Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston."


So CCTjoey please stop throwing stones from your glass house.

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Comment #130 - Posted by: Tim at May 13, 2006 8:10 AM

Jesus Tim, do you not have anything better to do with your time?

Comment #131 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 13, 2006 8:28 AM

tenacious D #63

"Are you suggesting that the war waged upon innocents (by insurgents)in Iraq and the attacks during 9/11 are justified because of the depleted uranium some of our rounds use? Tell me you're not serious..."

You misunderstand my commentary again.It is refreshing to know that those who see two sides to a multifaceted universe are alive and well in the USA.

Tenacious D>>It's the Sierra Club, isn't it? Is that more your cup of tea? Environazism at it's best! Wait a tick...you're not even from the US are you? Tonnes? Ah HAAA!!! Gotcha! Stay out of our business then, old chap!<<

I am from the good ole United States of Amnesia,I teach English and am versed in British,Australian,and American English and so terminology from the three can sometimes be found in my posts,Mr.Assumption.


There are idiots everywhere, but in some nations purely stupid people know that they are stupid and act accordingly so as not to annoy their neighbors. (I didn't say their 'betters' though I might have) In North America there are vast legions of really stupid people who use violence and violent rhetoric in place of lucidity. If you can't think, kill. They aren't simply myopic, they are like dogs who have been caged to the point of psychosis. Epistemological savages.

I have more than my share of horror stories about political America, which I won't bore you with. I will say that I certainly cannot conceive of a circumstance which would entice me back, short of a resurrection of reason and morality in government, which I believe unlikely. My guess is that the course is fixed for the U.S. government. The new policy; transparent, brutal, and operating without the consent of the people, will continue as long as a large enough consensus of Americans are too stupid to put a stop to it. Eventually it will be too late. It is for me inconceivable how any group of people can accept an endless assault on their freedom and privacy without standing up and screaming that enough is enough. Therefore I have to assume that there is somehow a body politic majority of Americans that are blind, have been hypnotized, do not care, or are actually too stupid to understand what is going on. I feel like I'm watching a long line of sheep marching in lock step to the music of an out of tune pied piper. Even though the music is sadly out of key and arrhythmic, the sheep don't seem to notice or care. It makes one feel like Yossarian watching one soldier openly get away with murder while someone else is arrested for being AWOL.

Two things are almost gone in America; the ability to live freely and the right to privacy. Freedom is being legislated away, perhaps frittered away would be a better term, because the power brokers have moved from the annoying necessity of writing legislation, directly to the less cluttered act of simply issuing decrees, have done so blatantly, right in front of everyone's nose, and the audience was either in a trance, a state of shock, or too stupid to react. It's enough to make one believe that the attack of 11 September was an inside job geared to increase the power of the U.S. government, throw the populace into shock, and overthrow the rights of the individual. But that would be paranoia, right?

Comment #132 - Posted by: Tim at May 13, 2006 8:36 AM

Tim, just curious...have you served in the military or worked for the US government?

Comment #133 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 13, 2006 8:48 AM

Performed 5 rounds for time of the following.
10 dips
10 monster truck tire flips
Rope climb 15'(hands only)
10 monster truck tire flips
10 Burpees

Time: 27:35

Since it was my twin sons (Mitchell & Tommy)B-day, I name the WO after them; MiTom.

Comment #134 - Posted by: Hampton at May 13, 2006 11:47 AM

"I have more than my share of horror stories about political America, which I won't bore you with."

Come on Tim (#132): You've already shared plenty. Why stop now? We are all about empiricism and freedom at CrossFit. Please tell us about your direct, personal experiences with having your rights denied and liberty suppressed. Extra points for concision.

Comment #135 - Posted by: Brian Mulvaney at May 13, 2006 12:09 PM

Tim...

Dude the fact that you can cut and paste that stuff on one post and somehow compare that to CHINA (The People's Republic of) is laughable...the "fact"...yes I grant you "fact" that their have been gross misdeeds of the first order by individuals in our government in places large and small from time to time is reprehensible. No doubt. Sick people are everywhere.

That being said... We as a society demand more from our government. Which is why you can find that information, study that information, and post that information here in America.

Can you do the same about CHINA in CHINA (The PEOPLE's Republic of) to the people of CHINA? Go ahead..give me an answer...

Nope...you will go to PRISON there...your family will be watched and threatened.... if you make it out someday you will most likely be scared and maimed.

We ARE a better country and for you to be talking about a lack of morality, freedom, and right to privacy being lost in America from CHINA is the highest order of hypocracy that could happen on this planet except maybe N. Korea.

What violance are you talking about in N. America that is North of the Rio Grande?? If you are talking about Latin America then I agree...because of Communist and Socialist influence. A bunch of "People's Revolutions" run by thugs taking property away from "the people" and and holding the government and economy by gunpoint. If you mean Mexico that uses armed military to shoot or threaten "immigrants" coming from their South versus our government that either sets "immigrants" loose or ships them back to their country, then I agree...there is a lot of violence.

There needs to be more "Operation Just Cause(s)" to fix the problems down there.

What Soldier got away wth murder? What is his name? Where did it happen? What unit was he with?

September 11 an inside job? You are a scum-bag or a fruit-loop.

You are teaching English...that is great...these Chinese students know have been spoon-fed all this bullshit by their government and their government-run media...then they think they are going to meet a true "Red Blooded American"... someone who would fight and die for his country and all it stands...someone who has lived and breathed freedom...Mom, baseball, and apple-pie...A person who wants to be productive and make life better for his children...a guy that puts his flag out on his porch at least twice a year...wears hawaiian shirts... has a motorcycle for a third vehicle and rides it for fun...has the option to send his kids to a private school...have a dog as a pet not a special dinner.

Then you show up in gray wool and sandles, tiny academia glasses that you peer over as you go into anti-America rants, with culry unkept hair and beard that you let over grow. They are confused by your dirty feet and back pack...

How sad they have you....a doom and gloom, bed wetting Pink-O...who is a conspiracy nut with a tin-foil hat. Imagine what is going through their minds as you are teaching butchered English infused with abnoxious diatribe about how "America is oppressive", "their military condones murder", "they destroyed their own buildings and murdered thousands in cahoots with militant Muslim Extremists in order to take freedom away the "populace"", "Americans are SHEEP", "Americans are WOLVES", America is a bully", "America is weak"...blah, blah, blah

( They think: This is our teacher? Is that a suit coat with jeans? I thought he was an American. Didn't he ever get to eat meat? Why does he smile so much at the 15 y/o girl in the corner who does not pick-up English very fast?)


This while they hear you speak American English with a little British and Australian thrown in just to confuse the matter even more.

Were you hired by the Chinese "government/party" by chance? I bet you were a shoe-in for the job.

Feel free to keep posting your inane dribble...no one is going to show up at your family's homes to intimidate and threaten them with prison about your comments. I dare you to start a "Cross-fit China" website and let me post on it and see what happens to you.

CCTJOEY - Flag waving, cocky, loud-mouth, apple pie lovin', medium-rare steak eatin, Tip O' The Spear Warrior, and PROUD MEMBER OF THE BRUTAL MILITARY JUNTA!!!!


Comment #136 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 13, 2006 1:46 PM

Tristam...

The difference is you can run your mouth here... about here. Try running your mouth there... about there.

Please keep paying your taxes...keeping jack asses like you safe from real Oppressive Regimes" cost a lot.

Thanks for your support

CCTJOEY- Protecting peaceniks from their own world-view for almost a decade and PROUD MEMBER OF THE "BRUTAL MILITARY JUNTA!!!!!"

Comment #137 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 13, 2006 1:54 PM

Tenacious D in your own words describe what you really think you are accomplishing in Iraq right now?
CCT joey I respect anyone who volunteers to protect our country, but if your going to do so don't come on forums and whine about the horrors you've seen and brag about how your protecting us from them. Self-righteous wannabe super heroes like you start wars, you don't finish'em so while you're on here talking about Stockholm Syndrome, stop and think for a second, is it possible you yourself have stockholm syndrome.

Regardless of what any of you say, our president is doing a lousy job,he's ruining our economy, has no plan for ending this war, ruined just about all foreign trade, sent troops into the country NEXT to our attackers on the basis that there was WMD's in Iraq.

DOESN'T THE FACT THAT BUSH INVADED A COUNTRY BASED ON BS (WMD'S) TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRECISION,INTELLIGENCE, AND THOROUGHNESS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION?
WOULD YOU KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN MEXICO BASED ON A REASONABLE DOUBT, IF NICARAGUA COMMITTED A TERRORIST ATTACK ON THE U.S?
only if you had a specific agenda in mexico already right.


Comment #138 - Posted by: NickC at May 13, 2006 3:02 PM

BW = 167 lbs

Did the April 21, 2006 WOD (Friday 060421)

Power Clean 3-3-3-2-2-2-2 reps

95 lbs - 140 lbs (failed on 145 lbs)

Comment #139 - Posted by: Ell at May 13, 2006 4:19 PM

"Hangover Redemption"

100 Burpees w/a pullup for time.

23:07

Comment #140 - Posted by: A.M. at May 13, 2006 4:19 PM

Nick,

You respect those who volunteer as long as we keep our mouths shut and stay out of the public eye.

Where are your stats that back up your "ruining the economy" comment...and while you fabricate those stats answer me this:

How do you end a war the enemy does not yet want to end and still be victorious in that war?

This is war is about a place...if we leave it will follow and but not before it enslaves Iraq.

As to the precision, intelligence, and thoroughness of this administration...what about France, Russia, Germany, Britian and the U.N. that also concurred with that assesment...not to mention President Clinton's administration and Democrats in both houses of Congress.

As for your example it has a flawed premiss...If you mean Nicaragua is comparable to Afghanastan, Iran or Suadi Arabia since none of those country's governments attacked us.

Even so, if the attackers were based out of Nicaragua and Mexico had a history of bullying neighboring countries through military action and gassing thousands of its own people and bent on seizing the region's assets in an effort to gain super-power status. And if that country had thumbed its nose at the international comunity while engaging in military action against our country's military forces who were upholding the treaty agreement set forth under international law. Then yes, in an effort to thwart Mexico's dictator's on-going beligerance, action would begin.

What Country did attacked us???

Answer: IRAQ had been shooting at our planes for over a decade and tried to assainate our President. That qualifies as attacking to me and PUNKING us politically. We have every reason to believe those weapons went somewhere since their own scientist tell us they had WMDs and plans to make Nukes as soon as they could get away with it and the Iraqi government kept records of everything except where the weapons and material went.

The thousands killed in Iraq that fought to keep Saddam in power were not innocent...ignorant maybe. Saddam is to be blamed for that...he was offered a chance and plenty of time to step down and aside...which is pretty generous offer to a murdering dictator who seized control of Iraq 30 some odd years ago at gun point and killed those he thought would dissent immediately on television in a successful effort to intimidate an entire country all the while smoking a cigar with his feet up on a desk on the stage of an audiorium where all the elected representatives were locked inside.

Your message reek of hinting that the military is out to kill innocent civilians and we all have blood lust...The sad fact is we lose more personel in an honest effort to help the innocent, rebuild their country, and maintain security than offensive action...given a choicethe military would rather finish the rebuilding, but the enemy won't let us. They are the ones that won't let this be finished. if we could fight without regard to the safety of the Iraqis and their property like the enemy fights us this would be over. Is that what you would rather we do to speed this war up for you?

I guess you think it would be best for our forces to just leave Iraq...will you show such disdain towards the thugs that will kill thousands of Iraqis if we leave to soon?

What should we do Nick? Win fast and brutal with no regard for the Iraqis or abandon the Iraqis.

The terrorists organization that executed the attack had/has bases throughout the world and that included Iraq.

They know people like you will put enough pressure on our government to get abandon the Iraqis someday. They are strengthened by your attitude and actions. They speak of what they will do to that part of the world when we are finally removed voluntarily or forcefully. They can do it. They have the will. They will drag that part of the world and the millions of inhabitants into the 12 century, while dramatically twisting the arm of the rest of the world with immigration turned voting-blocks and political thuggary.

Again, somehow you guys try to turn your own President into the enemy, imply that myself and my peers are murderers, and Saddam et all were innocent or atleast to be left alone. Whose side are you on?

I am not sorry that we are a Super-power...our resourcefulness and sacrifice put us here. I am not affraid of the envy the rest of the world has for our bounty as a nation and the efforts Americans leading the world have made that brought about longer lifespans and better quality of life for the rest of the world. I am sure they would like us to be more humble...perhaps we will learn to be... but when people risk dying to get into our country instead risk dying to get out...when we help feed the world... and float a large portion of the world economy.... When we volunteer to go into other countries turned hell holes (even ones that threaten us like Iran) to offer humanitarian relief...I will continue to thump my chest as a proud American Warrior yelling from the highest mountains and lowest gutters (so you can hear it) about how great a country this is and people we are, whether that is embarassing or wrong-headed to you or not.

Comment #141 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 13, 2006 4:30 PM

"Answer: IRAQ had been shooting at our planes for over a decade and tried to assainate our President. That qualifies as attacking to me and PUNKING us politically. We have every reason to believe those weapons went somewhere since their own scientist tell us they had WMDs and plans to make Nukes as soon as they could get away with it and the Iraqi government kept records of everything except where the weapons and material went.

The thousands killed in Iraq that fought to keep Saddam in power were not innocent...ignorant maybe. Saddam is to be blamed for that...he was offered a chance and plenty of time to step down and aside...which is pretty generous offer to a murdering dictator who seized control of Iraq 30 some odd years ago at gun point and killed those he thought would dissent immediately on television in a successful effort to intimidate an entire country all the while smoking a cigar with his feet up on a desk on the stage of an audiorium where all the elected representatives were locked inside.

Your message reek of hinting that the military is out to kill innocent civilians and we all have blood lust...The sad fact is we lose more personel in an honest effort to help the innocent, rebuild their country, and maintain security than offensive action...given a choicethe military would rather finish the rebuilding, but the enemy won't let us. They are the ones that won't let this be finished. if we could fight without regard to the safety of the Iraqis and their property like the enemy fights us this would be over. Is that what you would rather we do to speed this war up for you?"

Talk about fabricating. The Iraqis fighting to keep Saddam in power were'nt innocent? They were just following their leaders orders, exactly as you would. This is why wars start in th first place, both sides think what they do is justified and neither is willing to negotiate.
Why the hell should we rebuild there country when we can't even run our own? Illegals, gas prices, dollar is losing value rapidly.
If you don't think the economy has gone down the tubes try reading NY times and you'll get an idea. Guys like me can hardly afford to supply our businesses because of gas hikes and tariffs imposed on foreign suppliers, not to mention Illegals crossing our border and lowballing us.
So while G W is fighting overseas he's not doing anything over here.
Our president sold us up the river, wake up!!

Comment #142 - Posted by: NickC at May 13, 2006 5:37 PM

CCTJOEY>>What violance are you talking about in N. America that is North of the Rio Grande?? If you are talking about Latin America then I agree...because of Communist and Socialist influence. A bunch of "People's Revolutions" run by thugs taking property away from "the people" and and holding the government and economy by gunpoint. If you mean Mexico that uses armed military to shoot or threaten "immigrants" coming from their South versus our government that either sets "immigrants" loose or ships them back to their country, then I agree...there is a lot of violence.>>I grant you "fact" that their have been gross misdeeds of the first order by individuals in our government in places large and small from time to time is reprehensible. No doubt. Sick people are everywhere.


So the misdeeds have been perpetrated by INDIVIDUALS in the US government but the misdeeds of the Chinese are perpetrated by the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT???


CCTJOEY>>What Soldier got away wth murder? What is his name? Where did it happen? What unit was he with?

I'll make you a deal,you name me the Chinese soldiers who committed the atrocities you mention (including where it happened andwhat unit they are with) and I'll name the Americans.

CCTJOEY>>September 11 an inside job? You are a scum-bag or a fruit-loop.

http://deeperpolitics.gnn.tv/blogs/7329/Examples_of_documented_False_Flag_Terrorism


"History doesn't repeat, but sometimes it rhymes"
- paraphrase of comments made by Mark Twain (American patriot and anti-imperialist)

Hermann Goering, Hitler's deputy:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."


Lets check out a few parallels between the Third Reich and the Bush regime when addressing 9/11


Parallel #1

The Project for a New American Century, a think tank comprising most of the "neo-conservatives" in key leadership positions in the Bush / Cheney regime, published a report in September, 2000 titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses." This report, which was endorsed by Cheney, Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of the gang, predicted that their goals of world domination would be difficult unless there was a "new Pearl Harbor." The PNAC report also noted "the need for a substantial American force presence in the [Persian] Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein" ..., and genetically engineered biological weapons "may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."
This PNAC report is the "Mein Kampf" for World War IV.


Parallel # 2

The Bush regime appeared (to many) to have been legitimately elected, if you didn't look too closely at the deliberate disenfranchisements of Democrats in Florida and Ohio (www.blackboxvoting.org). This sneaky cloaking to steps toward dictatorship in the guise of legality is probably the strongest parallel between the tactics of the Nazis and the tactics of the Bush regime.

Hitler also rose to power under the veneer of legality, ensuring that each tiny step toward dictatorship seemed legitimate.

Parallel #3

US-September 11, 2001 and the refusal of most Americans to question the official story

Nazi Germany-Reichstag Fire (February 27, 1933) and the refusal of most Germans to question the official story

Parallel #4

*USA Patriot Act
passed shortly after 9/11 to temporarily suspend civil liberties to deal with the terrorist threat posted by Islamic fundamentalists. The proposed sequel to Patriot Act is closer to the Enabling Act in content, but public outcry kept it from being enacted as a complete act. If there is another 9/11 type incident, Patriot II is more likely to be passed. Among other provisions, it would remove citizenship from convicted terrorists, similar to the removal of German citizenship of German Jews, a key "legal" step toward their expulsion to concentration and death camps.

*Enabling Act
passed after Reichstag Fire to temporarily suspend civil liberties to deal with the terrorist threat posed by Communists. The temporary emergency lasted until Germany was in ruins in 1945


Parallel #5

US-Guantanamo indefinite detention camp, built by Haliburton, President Cheney's company

Nazi Germany-Dachau (earliest internment camp, which incarcerated political opponents, it was not a "death camp," at least in early days)


Parallel #6

US-Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, etc.

Nazi Germany-Propaganda ministry

Parallel #7

US-Destruction of Iraqi museums (2003), which destroyed much ancient history, especially relics that were pre-Islamic, part of the cultural heritage of humanity.

Nazi Germany-Kristallnacht (1938), a deliberate effort to destroy Jewish history in Germany

Parallel #8

US-Invasion of Iraq using the excuse that Iraq had attacked, or was about to attack US (2003)

Nazi Germany-Invasion of Czechoslovakia, aggression that the other "great powers" condemned but did nothing to stop.

Parallel #9

The use of religion “God bless America” is a U.S. presidential benediction at the end of every speech.

In William L. Shirer’s classic, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, he quotes the führer’s minister of church affairs as declaring the Nazi party “stands on the basis of Positive Christianity, and Positive Christianity is National Socialism … National Socialism is doing God’s will…”

Part I: Baby It's Cold Outside http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

Part II: The Phantom Victory http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3951615.stm

Part III: The Shadows in the Cave http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3970901.stm

Comment #143 - Posted by: Tim at May 13, 2006 6:09 PM

Great, the Nazi references have appeared. Still haven't answered my question though Tim.

Comment #144 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 13, 2006 7:14 PM

Tin-foil hat dribble...

Comment #145 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 13, 2006 8:14 PM

Tim: No horror stories to recount of savage repression in Amerikka? I was hoping to hear the tale of how your burning desire for freedom allowed you to narrowly escape hideous death in the industrial shredder at the hands of Ashcroft's brown shirts and how the democratic underground spirited you away to China where you could become a prominent leader in the anti-Bush resistance. I can, however, understand that you may be reluctant to share with us here since the NSA has your number.

Back to the rest day topic. I came across another translation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's letter:

http://www.lileks.com/screedblog/06/050906.html

Who would have known Mahmoud is not just a member of the Hair Club for Men?

Comment #146 - Posted by: Brian Mulvaney at May 13, 2006 9:47 PM

Ahh, who needs rest. You can do that when your dead. Since I was playing catch up and make up all week, I did the following WOD:

"Gut Check"

Dumbbell Swings (55 lbs) x21
Jumping Pullups x21
Swings x21
Burpees x21
Swings x21
Box Jumps x21
Swings x21
Wall Ball (about 20 lbs) x21
Swings x21
Sumo Deadlift High Pull (65 lbs) x21
Swings x21

Nasty - 12'31"

Sorry I won't join into this politically cahrged conversation-my blood pressure is still up high enough.

Comment #147 - Posted by: Ian Carver at May 13, 2006 9:55 PM

Say, Tim, there is one other thing I was curious about. I hear they do a bit of filtering of the Internet in your part of the world. You know, to protect the people from the Bushite propaganda organs, and such. So, if I were to include terms related to the Falung Gong, or perhaps linked to the Epoch Times (http://www.theepochtimes.com) or maybe used a sensitive expression like, "Taiwan Freedom League", do you suppose it's possible that this page would become blocked and that you would no longer be able to see or respond to it?

Do let me know. And no cheating by using overseas proxy servers to post your reply. That would, of course, be illegal.

Comment #148 - Posted by: Brian Mulvaney at May 13, 2006 10:29 PM

CCTJoey-
We can tell you are a flag-waving American, and that you are in the military. But you have nothing constructive to say. So do some extra PT today and stop trying to mask your ad hominem attacks as some kind of contribution to a discussion. You are contributing nothing.
Thanks,
Billy

Comment #149 - Posted by: Billy at May 14, 2006 12:40 AM

LT Abrams
I find your depiction of the Gospel troubling.
Peace
Billy

Comment #150 - Posted by: Billy at May 14, 2006 12:45 AM

Billy, how open-minded of you...

Tell the servicemen to keep their mouth shut and do his job...

I wonder if I was Anti-President Bush or the War in Iraq you would show such disrespect for my perspective as that I should not talk at all. Probably not, you would want me paraded infront of the press.

Note: I did not mention anything about myself being in the military until that organization was labeled a "brutal military junta"....which it is anything but.

Thanks for "Letting" me explain myself...where do I call ahead for permission next time?

Comment #151 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 5:26 AM

MattG #144>>Great, the Nazi references have appeared. Still haven't answered my question though Tim

Which was???

CCTJoey #145>>Tin-foil hat dribble...

Profound analysis.

Brian Mulvaney #146>>Say, Tim, there is one other thing I was curious about. I hear they do a bit of filtering of the Internet in your part of the world. You know, to protect the people from the Bushite propaganda organs, and such. So, if I were to include terms related to the Falung Gong, or perhaps linked to the Epoch Times (http://www.theepochtimes.com) or maybe used a sensitive expression like, "Taiwan Freedom League", do you suppose it's possible that this page would become blocked and that you would no longer be able to see or respond to it?

Once again throwing stones from a glass house Brian.

In Columbia, S.C., a fifty-four-year-old man was arrested at a campaign rally for carrying a sign, "No More War for Oil." In Evansville, Ind., John Blair, a photographer who had won the Pulitzer Prize, was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest for holding a 30-inch by 40-inch sign, "Cheney-19th Century Energy Man." In Tampa, Fla., two grandmothers and a gay rights activist were arrested for peacefully holding protest signs. Near Pittsburgh, Pa., a sixty-five-year-old retired steel worker was arrested when he refused to go to a protest zone.


At every Bush­Cheney appearance, official or political, persons are pre-screened before being issued tickets, and then allowed into the rallies only if they aren't critics of any of the administration's policies. Thousands have been forced to sign loyalty oaths. In Albuquerque, Michael Ortiz y Pino, a Vietnam combat veteran, told the Associated Press he was also asked by the Republican organizers to identify if he was with any groups that were associated with veterans, pro-life/pro-choice, gun rights, or teachers. In Tucson, the Republicans demanded to know the race of some photojournalists before issuing them credentials. Those who question the necessity of providing personal data and social security numbers are told the Secret Service requires it. "We don't require that information," Tom Mazur, Secret Service spokesman, says. Heather Layman, spokesperson for the Republican National Committee, says, "We just want to assure a positive experience for those attending."

In Scranton, Pa., a woman was ordered to remove a small metal peace button from her lapel. "I was told it was an unauthorized symbol," says Jean Golomb, who bought it at a Hallmark store. In Saginaw, Mich., a woman was thrown out of a Bush rally because she had a rolled-up pro-choice T-shirt. Barbara Miller says she was told, "We don't accept any pro-choice non-Republican paraphernalia at this event." On Independence Day 2004 at an official presidential appearance, all of it paid by taxpayers, Nicole and Jeffrey Rank were arrested when they refused to turn their T-shirts inside out so an anti-Bush message didn't appear. Nicole Rank, an environmental scientist with FEMA, was later fired after receiving consistent ratings of "excellent."

In Hamilton, N.J., where Laura Bush was rallying the faithful to support the war in Iraq, a mother whose son was killed in Iraq was escorted out because she wore a T-shirt that declared, "President Bush You Killed My Son," and had the audacity to ask what the Republicans believed was a hostile question. Outside the auditorium, while talking with a reporter, she was ordered to leave, didn't do so, and then was handcuffed and arrested on defiant trespass charges. Their cases are just a few of thousands throughout the country.


Outside the site of the Republican National Convention, and posing no physical threat to delegates or speakers, the police arrested more than 1,800 persons, mostly on charges of parading without a permit and disorderly conduct, both of them violations in the same category as unpaid parking fines. They were taken to an abandoned bus terminal, placed in a holding area of chain-link cages with razor wire on top. The concrete floor was oily from years of diesel fuel and antifreeze spillage, washed over by massive amounts of Clorox. Many of those detained later complained of rashes. There were few benches inside the cages, each of which held 30-100 individuals, forcing most of those arrested to take turns sitting on the benches and to sit or sleep on the floor; blankets were not provided. Food was usually corn flakes, warm and sour milk, rotting apples, and near-stale cheese or bologna sandwiches; persons had to share them with each other and, sometimes, the roaches in their cells. There were no trash bins, and portable restroom facilities were filthy. They were held for up to 60 hours until the end of the convention. In contrast, petty criminals are often processed and released on bail within 24 hours.


Comment #152 - Posted by: Tim at May 14, 2006 6:48 AM

OK. One of your ideological buddies emailed me the following foolishness about a clip on Youtube.com
I received an email from one of the ideological brethren of Brian Mulvaney,tenacious D and CCTJOEY,it's in response to a video clpi on Youtube.com check it:

"The death and destruction in this clip likely caused by terrorist IED's.they hide their faces,blow up their own inocent people...The Iraqi people now can vote,girls now go to school,women vote,even hold elected office,electricity,running water,and sewage systems are at levels higher than ever in thier history.Yes liberation and subsequent FREEDOM does come at a cost,so did yours.Why deny them??????? "

My reply which applies to many of the issues discussed here:

This is sheer idiocy, and I can't believe people are still throwing this kinda crap out, as justification for this war.

This is the rote recitation that the neocon memo-machine belched out, once it became clear that the initial cause for this war (WMDs) was a load of bullplop.

From the email--"The death and distruction in this clip likely caused by terrorist IED's.they hide their faces,blow up their own inocent people..."

This is a common conservative argument- "I'm just cheesed off about alla them insurgents, blowing things up- things would be all well and good, if they'd just make nice."

Uhh- we invaded this country, blew things to hell and back, disbanded the army, killed 120,000-plus of them, wrecked their infrastructure, and these neoconservative hangers-on are shocked, still, that a utopian paradise didn't sprout up immediately in the craters, amongst the mutilated bodies? These insurgents wouldn't be there, had we not screwed up their home.


From the email--"The Iraqi people now can vote"

The Iraqi people, before our invasion, could vote. Yeah- it was a one-party state, and their voting was merely a formality- but at least in those days, they had a GOVERNMENT. These days, people vote, and don't have a government- I'd call that a step in the wrong direction- call me silly. I guess there are still people out there who think alla those sham elections in Iraq actually meant something.

From the email--"girls now go to school,women vote,even hold elected office"

I am so sick of people lauding post-invasion Iraq as a muslim women's paradise. You want facts? Here ya go(http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32693).

Yeah, Iraqi women, along with men, suffered under the boot heel of Hussein's government, but Iraqi women had far more rights, under law, then they did in most of the arab world. Women could vote, hold office, drive, smoke, and consume alcohol under Saddam's tyranny. Now, Iraq is devolving into a fractured regime, in which religious parties hold enormous power. Iraqi women, despite the propaganda, are falling behind in their own country as a result of our invasion.

From the email--"electricity,running water,and sewage systems are at levels higher than ever in thier history"

Do tell. Strange- Want some facts? Go here(http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060209/news_1n9rebuild.html), here(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/02/AR2006040201209.html),and here(http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/48/17806). Even oil production remains below prewar levels- so much for the invasion paying for itself. We, as americans, would like to think we're doing good for the Iraqi people, but we aren't. We must, must, MUST- get over this conceit that wherever we drop bombs, prosperity flowers. It's just insane.

from the email--"Yes liberation and subsequent FREEDOM does come at a cost."

Oh, yeah- put that "freedom" in ALL-CAPS, baby! (after all, once you hit that "caps lock" it's easier to type with one hand, while the other is otherwise occupied- let your imagination soar, on that one.) As always, it's easy to sit behind a keyboard (or a lectern, or a tv camera), and dictate how much "cost" a foreign people must suffer, before they are "worthy" of our version of FREEDOM©™.


from the email--"so did yours."

Ooh- SWIFT one there, dude- trying to equate the American Revolution to the ongoing clusterf**k that's going on over there. This is like equating a hypodermic syringe to a box of jello. It's the most senseless thing I've ever heard, and only deserves a response equally as senseless:

"Rhapdor sneezebox whiffleball over pepper spheres, and instigating fooseball!"

From the email--"Why deny them??????? "

Oh, I tried to deny them so much, me being the "liberal","commie",etc. monster that I am. I tried to deny them the cluster bombs and white phosphorous which we, in our infinite wisdom, dropped on their cities and people. I tried to deny the iraqi people the glorious honor of having tens of thousands of tons of FREEDOM©™ brand depleted uranium dropped on their country.

Screw this- there is no cohesive argument in favor of this war, anymore.

As Pat Buchanan said in his acceptance speech at the reform convention in 2000:

"Quo Vadis, America?"


Comment #153 - Posted by: Tim at May 14, 2006 7:12 AM

Tim, just curious...have you served in the military or worked for the US government?

Comment #133 - Posted by Matt G. at May 13, 2006 08:48 AM


What do you think?

Comment #154 - Posted by: Tim at May 14, 2006 7:15 AM

I thought that comment #92 made a great point, surprised nobody has addressed it.

Comment #155 - Posted by: Chris C. at May 14, 2006 7:30 AM

Tim...I would be more interested in the links you provide if they were either:

1. Not way off the chart to the Left side of the political spectrum...I am not saying that biased...it is obvious.

2. not dead links

I find it funny that you source all your cut and paste "events" to left wing sites that have articals that are commentary. That is like me linking to Rushlimbaugh.com and saying his commentary is fact. Every artical I have read that you linked is not reporting. It is story telling with a distinct left bias that may or may not take actual events and "color" them with descriptive language without directly sourcing where they got thier information other than another of the same website. No pictures, no quotes just conspiracy talk of NEO-CONS....The only thing liberals hate more than conservatives is a turn coat liberal. Especially if they are Jewish.

I have found great amusement in how they (the sites you linked to) could turn events that happened under President Carter's or Clinton's, and with a Democratic Congress, and somehow make it "Bush's" scandal or conspiracy.

The issue that happened at the Republican Convention...nice try...an event to ruin the rights of those that would assemble in peace with the proper permits. Left wing blog-o-sphere gets a movement of a few hundred nut jobs to not only protest the Repubilcan Convention...but to block traffic into and out of the convention...harrass and physically intimidate attendees and vendors.... and to disturb the procedings inside the convention center in an effort to disturb the free speech and right to assemble of others. This after they were warned for several days beforehand by the local government, not so friendly to the GOP mind you, not to physically disturb the proceedings. In their unbridled enthusiasm to silence the right and intimidate a city.

Comment #156 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 9:45 AM

Joey,
you didn't have to say you were in the military-you've got it advertised in your screenname. And no, you don't have to be quiet, but you can dispense with the personal attacks. They have no place. And the word is spelled:
A-R-T-I-C-L-E.
Peace
Billy

Comment #157 - Posted by: Billy at May 14, 2006 10:04 AM

In comment #154, the illustrious "Tim" wrote:

"What do you think?"

In response to an earlier post in which I had inquired as to whether or not he had ever served in the military or worked for the US Government (#133). Given Tim's response (in #154) and the tone of his comments here, I think we can safely assume that the answer to my question is "No".

Given that...I would greately appreciate it if "Tim" could possibly explain the article you will read if you follow this link:

http://www.jewishlouisville.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=146097

In this link, a "Tim Neal" claims to have been wounded during an "op" in Iraq. The incredibly relevant item is the email address listed at the end of the article which can be used to contact "Tim Neal"...tsneds@yahoo.com

Which just happens to be the same email address being used by the "Tim" posting in this thread.

Something's rotten in Denmark.

Comment #158 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 14, 2006 12:15 PM

Billy,

you can DISPENCE with the psuedo-moderater tone. If you have a legitimate role as a moderator you can just delete my comments.

Since you don't get sacasm...if you don't like what I have to say in response to blatant bullshit being spread around that badmouths my country, my people, and my job...(which are personal attacks to me) then don't read it.

And you need a "," after the word P-E-A-C-E in your post.

Joey

Comment #159 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 1:06 PM

Here you go BILLY-BOY, some of your own quotes meant to be personal and definately attacking:

# 76: You can go back to watching Hannity and Colmes now.


#90: I can't hear you laughing with your nose so far up Dick Cheney's rear end. Haha.

#91: I think your fears are a bit irrational....I'd encourage you to do something more constructive than patrol the border with a gun.

#149:But you have nothing constructive to say....You are contributing nothing.

#150: I find your depiction of the Gospel troubling.

#157: you didn't have to say you were in the military-you've got it advertised in your screenname.

Nice way to estabish the high ground.

CCTJOEY:" PROUD MEMBER OF THE BRUTAL MILITARY JUNTA!!!!"


Comment #160 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 1:26 PM

Joey,
You're tough. You've proved it to me now.

Comment #161 - Posted by: Billy at May 14, 2006 3:53 PM

Joey
The only one of those that could be construed as a personal attack is the Cheney comment, which was offered in fun-but I can understand it being misconstrued. The others are mere assertions that have nothing to do with anyone's moral character. And Tim's postings are not personal-they are directed at the institutions you work for, not you. If it makes you so uncomfortable to hear these supposedly-infallible institutions criticized then maybe you don't believe in them as much as you say you do. Maybe you've got serious doubts about America yourself, and you are attempting to cover them up with a veil of patriotism to make everything fit. Which makes me think: why would someone who has such doubts be in the military? And the answer is somewhat obvious--you want to fit in. The only thing I would suggest to you is that you stop repressing these doubts you're having. Don't be afraid to give voice to them. Thanks for the comment-I did fail to insert a comma after peace.
your pal,
Billy

Comment #162 - Posted by: Billy at May 14, 2006 4:11 PM

Again with the attacks Tim? Now you attack my motivation? Do you feel this way about all of us? We are just robots? We are to stupid to know what we got into? Not smart enough to do anything else?
A military guy stole your girlfriend at one time in your life, didn't he? Maybe a military woman stole your boyfriend? That is why you make "assertions" to and about those you imagine to be what you couldn't. Perhaps you can't handle the cold hard ground, hot desert air or dark forests and jungles. Perhaps you are afraid of heights or deep water. Maybe you just have too much going on in your life to "risk" the comforts you are used to. Whatever your fears are, it is ok...we work for you too. You can sleep well tonight because we and our civilian conterparts in OGAs are doing what we can so you can run your suck.

Let me make one point clear. You assert that Tim's postings are about the institution(s) I work for. Those "institutions" are people...not abstract entities like "big tobacco" or the "industrial military complex".... those people have volunteered and are doing a better job with less resources under more scrutiny than any comparible organization. I work for the American Citizen which unfortunately for me at times is disrespectful assholes like you who make off the cuff assertions about those that would risk their lives for you and you family only so you can make more comments.

You are most definately a hypocrite who is using a double standard for your own behavior and comments. As long as you can make snide comments, veiled in juvenile wit, you claim those comments are "assertions". My comments in response to "assertions", plain and blunt the way adults do it, are personal attacks to you. So my comments must be met with backhanded insults about my spelling or my motivation while you try to explain to me that my opinions are of no value to the conversation.

(sorry that my spelling is that bad for you to need to corrrect, as I am often feeding my newborn son with with one arm while typing with the other and I have no spellcheck mechanism on this machine)

Tell me Bill, what was the value of your post "I find your depiction of the Gospel troubling."? What is that except to be confrontational? You have so little tolerance for those with religious beliefs or are in the military expressing their point of view or defending the "institutions" (ie. people they know and love doing a job they believe in) for which they belong.

I think Tim is lost in space but he has not shown himself to be a hypocrite. He has yet to claim I need to silence myself. As much of a screwball I find him to be, I admire him more than you.

Comment #163 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 5:31 PM

CCTJOEY>>I find it funny that you source all your cut and paste "events" to left wing sites that have articals that are commentary. That is like me linking to Rushlimbaugh.com and saying his commentary is fact. Every artical I have read that you linked is not reporting. It is story telling with a distinct left bias that may or may not take actual events and "color" them with descriptive language without directly sourcing where they got thier information other than another of the same website. No pictures, no quotes just conspiracy talk of NEO-CONS....The only thing liberals hate more than conservatives is a turn coat liberal. Especially if they are Jewish.


No direct sourcing from all those "left wing" sites?

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Serious voting anomalies in Florida - again always favoring Bush - have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html

CCTJOEY>>Every artical I have read that you linked is not reporting. It is story telling with a distinct left bias

Like these?

30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

Then there's
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostatusrept1505.pdf

The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml


CCTJOEY>>Do you feel this way about all of us? We are just robots? We are to stupid to know what we got into? Not smart enough to do anything else?

Of course not


to MattG

Just look at me like you look at Ray McGovern:Ray McGovern works for Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, DC. He is on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), and has a chapter “Sham Dunk: Cooking Intelligence for the President” in the recently published collection on the Iraq war, Neo-CONNED Again! McGovern dedicated 27 years to the CIA, and does not regret it at all, in fact many in the CIA still count him as a ‘good man,’he is also a contributer to Imperial Crusades: Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia.

Comment #164 - Posted by: Tim at May 14, 2006 5:47 PM

Answer my question "Tim". You more or less dodged it before, though I think you gave enough of an for us to deduce the answer.

Yes or no...have you ever served in the US military or worked for the US government? More importantly, have you done so in a capacity that would have resulted in the injury you claim to have suffered in the article I linked?
http://www.jewishlouisville.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=146097

I think you're a sham. I think your timeline is off...in post #121 of this thread, you claim to have been living in China for the last 2 years (that would date to 2004). However, in the newsletter article I linked, "Tim Neal" (who just happens to have the same email address as you) is reported to have been called to active duty in Iraq in early 2004 and "has been in and out of Iraq since then".

I also think there's a nice picture of you right here:
http://www.neworiental-k12.org/english/tim.htm

I'm wondering what the people at the JCF/Louisville and the people who you work for currently are going to think when I send them email linking all of this together.

Disappear, scumbag.

Comment #165 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 14, 2006 6:22 PM

Tim my above post #163 was meant for BILL not you. In my juggling my son and trying to type I got pre-occupied and typed the wrong name...those comments are not for you. You are a completely different issue. Please excuse my mistake.

Comment #166 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 7:59 PM

Tim...after reading your links from post #165..I have to say I don't know what your are rambling about...

The first one a stats guy can figure out why more people voted for President Bush...this after VP Gore's people held thier counties hostage for over a month and the local would not let the military absentee ballots be counted.

The other's just voice opinion and accusations but no proof of wrong doing...which is funny since it was the left hat wanted electronic voting booths in every districs.

Why don't you do a little research into all the Republican headquaters that were broken into and trashed and computer hard drives stolen that were viewed by local prosecutors as "free speech" issues not theft, electioneering, or vandalism...or how about Dems registering dead people in OHIO...or the NAACP registering people like Mary Poppins, Micheal Jackson, Tiger Woods etc. through a guy that was being paid CRACK to register voters. How about the local election officials in Florida that would not let over 12,000 votes be counted by overseas servicemembers once they realized how close the election really was.

That is the stuff their is proof of and arrest records for...Imagine all the accusation stuff I could dig up if I wanted that is only accusations and conspiracy theories like you have done.

The stuff you reference about atrocities done to our citizens buy government employees and/or corporations is not in dispute... for the most part. A great deal of that can be proven to an acceptable level for any reasonable person to agree with. My dispute is that you get paid by CHINA and you are using you energy to slam America. Hell you are probably still claiming American Citizenship so you don't have to pay taxes in either country. You refuse to acknowledge the human right issue there since you are on their dole and if you are on their net you would probably disappear if you did. To me it is as close to being a traitor as one can get without taking up arms against America or outright supporting a foriegn power. If we were at war with China, I would consider you one. At this point you are just a sactimonious, America bashing, miserable liberal with an ax to grind.

Comment #167 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 8:33 PM

Joey,
I could, but I won't
Billy

Comment #168 - Posted by: Billy at May 14, 2006 8:45 PM

Billy,
That is not suprising.
Joey

Comment #169 - Posted by: CCTJOEY at May 14, 2006 9:01 PM

"Tim",

I have no problem whatsoever with an honest exchange of ideas and opinions, regardless of the viewpoints involved. However, I believe it is of the utmost importance that the characters involved in such a debate are clear about who/what they are and who/what they represent. Only then is a truly honest exchange taking place.

I have no doubt that Ray McGovern (who you apparently have a great deal of respect for) would answer the very simple yes/no question that I have posed to you...without obfuscation, innuendo, etc. If I am asked a direct question, I would do the same. Is there some reason that you won't live up to that standard? It's not as though I'm asking a particularly difficult question.

The beautiful thing here "Tim" is that you and your ilk constantly paint Bush, Cheney, the military, etc. etc. etc. as being liars, being duplicitous, as avoiding direct questions...and yet in this very thread, you are acting in the same manner. You are what you claim to hate.

It would probably surprise and disappoint you to know that there are many aspects of the current administration and its policies that I disagree with and am disappointed by. I'm not trying to "muzzle dissent"...it would mean muzzling myself in many cases. What I am trying to do is ensure that the debate is conducted in some kind of civilized manner, by people that are honest about who/what they are. And that falls apart with your participation.

I have already written the JCF folks, and will be following up with a letter to the ESL organization (neworiental-k12) later today. I do believe that I have researched the facts enough to pursue this further. Rest assured that I will also be sure to post the links I have found in every thread on this board in which you participate, so that others may see what a liar you are. And if I'm wrong...hey, at least my heart was in the right place.

"Tim"...have you ever served in the US military and/or worked for the US government, and have you been wounded in an "op" in Iraq as you have claimed?

Comment #170 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 15, 2006 4:59 AM

To anyone (particularly any servicemen/servicewomen) who feel that I may be badgering "Tim" regarding his claim of having served on active duty in Iraq and being wounded in combat...you have my most sincere apologies. I am merely attempting, in light of his statements throughout this thread, to reconcile what appear to be some rather startling incongruities between the "Tim" on display here and the "Tim" who says that he served/was wounded in Iraq on "ops" he can't discuss. Both of these Tims share the same email address.

Comment #171 - Posted by: Matt G. at May 15, 2006 6:51 AM

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I'm not going to check every post to make sure:

The yellow plates are 10 lbs each. They are "Bigger Faster Stronger" bumper plates, not standard Olympic plates. I'm not sure about the red ones, but 2.5 or 5 lbs seems to be fairly likely.

Comment #172 - Posted by: Jacob Tsypkin at May 16, 2006 6:26 PM

Why is Ahmadi-Nejad referred to as the "Iranian President" and the POUSA called "Bush" out there under Eva'a stunning pic? C'mon people, let's encourage each other to uphold good form not only during exercise. I suggest "Islamo-Fascist, terrorist, D*ck Hole" and "President Bush". What do you think?

Comment #173 - Posted by: LT Blue at May 17, 2006 11:57 AM

WOW Eva...perfect form!

Comment #174 - Posted by: Ant at May 17, 2006 3:59 PM
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