April 10, 2006

Monday 060410

Rest Day


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PainStorm XII - CrossFit Central Scotland

CrossFitter Scott McAndrews lost his life last Thursday in his selfless pursuit of service to others. Fair Winds, Scotty, we will not forget you.

Daniel Griswold, "The Need for Comprehensive Immigration Reform: Serving Our National Economy"

Read and post thoughts to comments.

Posted by lauren at April 10, 2006 7:57 PM

God Bless You, Scott.

Comment #1 - Posted by: Skip Chase at April 9, 2006 8:26 PM

Ah...Cato got something right. They can be a little too party-line to speak the straight truth sometimes, but this isn't one of those times. I think Charles Bowden puts it best: "This is the largest cross-border migration in history. The only way you'll stop Mexicans from coming to the US is if you lower US wages to the same level as Vietnam. McCain-Kennedy, Kyl-Cornyn? It's all bullshit. What we're seeing is something straight out of the Bible. This is an exodus."

Comment #2 - Posted by: Kalen M. at April 9, 2006 8:30 PM

My thoughts and prayers go out to the Rosenthal, Juarez, and McAndrews families. Scott, I bet Jesus will give you a heck of a Fran-race.

Comment #3 - Posted by: JBell at April 9, 2006 8:36 PM

Scott's job was saving people in the mountain environment. I appreciated his kind on many of my own occasions. He lost his life with the desire to protect others. I offer my sincere condolence to his family and friends.

Comment #4 - Posted by: eva t. at April 9, 2006 8:45 PM

I was just reading one of Scott's old emails about his bruised ribs while deleting old emails yesterday morning. I am so sorry.

Comment #5 - Posted by: Robb Wolf at April 9, 2006 8:55 PM

There is no bigger sacrifice than that given to protect others. Godspeed, Scott.

Comment #6 - Posted by: Ian Carver at April 9, 2006 9:15 PM


Comment #7 - Posted by: TimW at April 9, 2006 10:14 PM

Two comments about Scott McAndrews, if I may.

First, his personal CF quote was: "Courage is not how a man stands or falls, but how he gets back up again." John L. Lewis

Scott, you will be remembered by all of us as a man of courage.

Second, in one of his posts to comments, he wrote:

"I do hope that now that politics is coming up on this site will not lead to a disintigration of the respectful tone of discussion that happens here and that no matter what people in the community believe they will be accepted and respected as long as they show the same respect in their behavior."

His wish is something that we can all work towards in our own small way.

God Bless you Scott.

Comment #8 - Posted by: Matt Townsend at April 9, 2006 10:30 PM

We all feel this tragedy. It's amazing how a community that's never met one another can feel the loss of one of its own.

My prayers are with Scott's family and the famlilies of those others that died.

Courage, indeed, can be found in many places, not just on the battlefield.

Scott's legacy should be to challenge each one of us to live a life of sacrifice and find that person in all of us that thinks of others first and ourselves second, whatever the capacity.

Rest in Peace, Scott, you will live on in our shared exertions during WOD's all around the world...


-Dennis from Baghdad

Comment #9 - Posted by: tenacious "D" at April 9, 2006 10:46 PM

Prayers and condolences to Scotty's family and friends, as well as to the families and friends of the others who died. What a terrible loss. I'm sure we'll have a Scotty WOD.

Comment #10 - Posted by: Lynne Pitts at April 10, 2006 12:30 AM

Hear, hear.

Comment #11 - Posted by: Matt Townsend at April 10, 2006 12:49 AM

Scott and friends, RIP. God bless.

Another interesting article. Food for thought.

Happy healthy mind training.

Comment #12 - Posted by: Johan Nederhof at April 10, 2006 1:14 AM

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Comment #13 - Posted by: James at April 10, 2006 2:28 AM

God Speed, Scott! May your entrance into Valhalla be welcomed by your ancestors! ( For me, this is the highest means of respect to a warrior lost in a battle. To those who wish to remain Christian/Muslim/Buddhist, my respects to your religion. Whatever religion Scott was, may his soul be a blessing to the heavens.)

For the day's article, the CATO institute is stating something that teachers have been saying for the last twenty years, that they are in fact doing a tremendous job in educating the public. The teachers are educating more students and getting more of them to achieve to a higher level. (I am a formal Naval Submarine Officer and taught for three years while the nuclear industry shut off its hiring practices).

For excercises: Did "Cindy" yesterday.

BW: 315
Rounds: 15 with 5 extra pullups and interruptions from other gym members.


Time to complete was 25 minutes.

Squats: 165, 185, 185, 185, 135

Did another 2X200 meter run at 9 mph. Recovery time is shortening!

Comment #14 - Posted by: Stuart R at April 10, 2006 3:31 AM

Thank you, Scott.


Comment #15 - Posted by: Dan Silver at April 10, 2006 3:36 AM

RIP bro.

Comment #16 - Posted by: pat sherwood at April 10, 2006 4:02 AM

Godspeed, Scott.
Condolences to friends and family.

Comment #17 - Posted by: Mark Sampson at April 10, 2006 4:45 AM

Enjoy the other side of the wall, Scott and fellow heros. Godspeed.

Comment #18 - Posted by: mcf at April 10, 2006 5:24 AM

Our thoughts and prayers to Scott, his family and friends.

Comment #19 - Posted by: steve hb at April 10, 2006 5:34 AM

Today's LA Times - page one of the health section: on CF, "A Workout That's Fast, Furious and Not For The Faint of Heart" By Roy M. Wallack

Comment #20 - Posted by: steve hb at April 10, 2006 5:49 AM

Thank you for your service to your fellows, Scott. May the next step in your journey, whatever it may be, treat you well.

Comment #21 - Posted by: Andrew L at April 10, 2006 6:33 AM

My condolences to the family and friends of Mr. McAndrew. His sacrifice, and those of his colleagues, exemplifies the highest level of courage.

Concerning topic of the day: a quick question for those who are better educated on the topic than I am - wasn't NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) supposed to reduce illegal immigration by bridging income gaps and ensuring better environmental protection in all three countries involved (U.S., Mexico, Canada)?

Comment #22 - Posted by: Patrick at April 10, 2006 6:49 AM

May God be with you Scott. R.I.P.

Comment #23 - Posted by: Andy W. at April 10, 2006 7:01 AM

Did a few enjoyment exercises for active rest
10/20/30/40/50/60/66# one arm snatch in sets of one and two
front lever practice
evil wheel practice, I want to be able to start from standing
HSPU practice

Thank you Scott.

Comment #24 - Posted by: Travis_r at April 10, 2006 7:13 AM

The article on Scott should be required reading for any school age child. In my opinion, selfless service of others is the highest goal we can strive for an the true mark of a real hero. The next world is surely a better place today due to the entrance of people like Scott.

Comment #25 - Posted by: rpo at April 10, 2006 7:54 AM


Caught up with Nancy today. Sub'ed 65 lb OHS.


Comment #26 - Posted by: Rob F at April 10, 2006 7:54 AM

RIP Scott and friends, my thoughts are with their families.

Making up for an unintended rest day Sat in Fallujah, did Nancy in 18:25.

Comment #27 - Posted by: Gunner at April 10, 2006 8:02 AM


Comment #28 - Posted by: paulw at April 10, 2006 8:07 AM

Thank you Scott, James and Charles.


Comment #29 - Posted by: J Jones at April 10, 2006 8:30 AM


Comment #30 - Posted by: Ross Hunt at April 10, 2006 8:40 AM

Sorry for the losses.

Griswold Response:
Glad to see that someone in the Capital is trying to have a reasonable discussion of the comlex issues involved with the cheap labor provided by "illegal" workers. I don't like the idea of "illegal" workers being taken advantage of, but I like to have my lawn serviced every week for cheap. I think my lawn guy likes being paid in cash and not paying any taxes.
How many lawns a day do you have to mow for cash before you make more then a teacher?

Comment #31 - Posted by: Eagle_eye at April 10, 2006 8:44 AM

Excellent article Coach!

RIP Scott.

Yoga tonight and maybe Cindy.

Comment #32 - Posted by: Ell at April 10, 2006 8:44 AM

Scott - God bless and Thank you.
Prayers to you and your family.

Comment #33 - Posted by: Jeff_Roddy at April 10, 2006 9:08 AM

My prayers go out to the families of everybody concerned. And Scott: goodbye and God bless.

Comment #34 - Posted by: bcf at April 10, 2006 9:32 AM

RIP Scott.

Re, immigration: Agree with the Cato article, but would add one point; migrant workers are always welcome in the U.S. as long as they pay their fair share. In other words, come here, get a SSN, get a job, pay taxes. Then all these xenophobic hate mongers can kiss your hard working, law abiding, tax paying ass.

Tough day in the CF world.

Comment #35 - Posted by: Ron Nelson at April 10, 2006 9:35 AM

Outstanding workout today. 20 rounds with Cindy in 19:53. Legs fried.
condolences to Scott's family.

Comment #36 - Posted by: Peter Donnelly at April 10, 2006 9:36 AM

RIP lads...


Comment #37 - Posted by: karl at April 10, 2006 10:00 AM

RIP Scott..

your off to a much better place.

Comment #38 - Posted by: Kris Kepler at April 10, 2006 10:13 AM

I once heard it said that the good always seem to die young because the Great Spirit has seen enough from their actions to know that they are good, and doesn't need to see anything more from them before calling them back. The rest of us who are not so good can learn from one of Scott's last posts:

"I do hope that now that politics is coming up on this site will not lead to a disintigration of the respectful tone of discussion that happens here and that no matter what people in the community believe they will be accepted and respected as long as they show the same respect in their behavior."
-Scott McAndrews 093005

RIP, Scott.

Comment #39 - Posted by: Mike Mueller at April 10, 2006 10:29 AM

Heart felt thank you to Scott and others who have give their life serving others. Thank you.

Completed a little cycle.
800 meter run
50 box jumps
50 sit ups
50 lunges with 45lb dumbells
50 pull ups
50 squats with 135lbs
50 handstands

Phill 23:20
Shawn 26:07

Comment #40 - Posted by: Mayor at April 10, 2006 10:46 AM

Completed 4 minutes on bike instead of run above.

Comment #41 - Posted by: Mayor at April 10, 2006 10:51 AM

Godspeed Scotty

CrossFit Skibbereen

"100 Burpees for time"
Connor 5:50
Jeff 7:30

and Katie

Comment #42 - Posted by: Jeff at April 10, 2006 11:27 AM

May the LORD bless you, and keep thee;
May the LORD make his face shine to upon you, and be gracious to you;
May the LORD turn his countenance to you and grant you peace.
Numbers 6:24-26

Dennis (tennacious D, comment #9) was spot on about feeling a sense of loss for those we've not met. One of the marvels of the human spirit.

Regarding Griswold:
I've worked with a lot of Mexican immigrants, a good number of whom are likely illegal. I've found most of them to be among the most humble, reliable, good-natured, and hard-working people I've had the good fortune to meet. That doesn't mean we don't need to control our borders or that they shouldn't be legalized.

An interesting point I've not seen in the debate on immigration: Illegals not paid in cash file W2's with fake SS numbers. They and the employeers pay into the system on SS numbers that don't exist and will never be collected on. Where does the money go? Hopefully, it's staying in the system and going to legal beneficiaries. Are the politicians and beauracrats relying on this money to help fund the program?

Comment #43 - Posted by: John Seiler at April 10, 2006 11:40 AM

I need some help, are their any gyms in or near saratoga springs NY that would be ideal for the crossfit work out. thanks

Comment #44 - Posted by: colin at April 10, 2006 12:10 PM

Sir, you can find conspiracy in anything you want. You just have to be willing to put in the time and effort. Food for thought.

Scott, may angels lead you in.


Comment #45 - Posted by: Michael Scott at April 10, 2006 12:14 PM

Lessons to be learned from the unfortunate accident. Don't let your emotions alter your thought process when trying to rescue someone. First you must have the right protective equipment or else the tragedy multiplies.

Regarding Immigration: America needs to sleep in the bed that we made. The people who are here now should be allowed to stay but let them proceed through the same process for all immigrants. No jumping in front of the line. If you break the law (besides the illegal immigration one) you will be deported. Second, the borders must be protected. Or else this issue will never go away. Start enforcing current immigration laws. The laws are fine they just need to be enforced. The greater influx of illegals create a lower economic base for the non-skilled/non-educated working class. The citizens who are adversely affected by illegal immigrants are in fact the ones that need that type of work the most until they become more skilled/educated. That's the reality. Inner city citizens are affected the most.

The moral of the story is that Controlled legal immigration is the only answer for American prosperity.

Comment #46 - Posted by: Tracy at April 10, 2006 12:39 PM

Did: 225lb deadlift by 10
Pull ups by 15
400m run
4 rounds for time.
A nasty combination and not a good choice for a rest day.

Condolences to all friends and family members.

Comment #47 - Posted by: bradw at April 10, 2006 12:45 PM

Thoughts and prayers for those lost and their families...

Comment #48 - Posted by: Patrick Kennedy at April 10, 2006 1:37 PM

Rest in Peace, Scott....thoughts and prayers from Russ and I.

We took yesterday off to go to Toronto to see the Blue Jays/Devil Rays game...great seats, right behind the dugout. And a pitcher's duel between Roy Halladay and Scott Kazmir...beauty.

Today, both of us did "Cindy"...

as Rx'd:

Justin - 20 rounds, + 5, +6
Russ - 20 rounds, +5, +10

PR's for both of us today...felt good to join the 20 round club!!

Comment #49 - Posted by: Justin/Russ in Sarnia, Ont. at April 10, 2006 2:17 PM

RIP Scott.

Comment #50 - Posted by: Allen Y at April 10, 2006 2:39 PM

Hi all,
Workout as follows
{Run 2.1 miles 15:30 (hams felt heavy) and Press 40 kilos SW/Pull-up (each for ten reps of ten sets on :45 second interval) 14:10.

A salute to all warriors.

Until tomorrow...

Comment #51 - Posted by: Jonathan Jensen at April 10, 2006 2:40 PM

No disagreement with this article? Good! The facts are unassailable. Forget about fewer immigrants, the US would benefit on the whole from liberalizing its immigration policy. Ron might have been a bit strong in characterizing those opposed as "xenophobic hate mongers" , but not by much.

Comment #52 - Posted by: carl at April 10, 2006 2:46 PM

Rip Scott.


Comment #53 - Posted by: NickC at April 10, 2006 2:54 PM

Scott, God Bless!!

Comment #54 - Posted by: Rob Moss at April 10, 2006 3:07 PM

Immigration is what built the United States. The problem is ILLEGAL immigration. Coming from someone who attempts to fight this battle everyday it is a dangerous illegal business. The problems start from the beginning of the trip. Hard travelling routes, smugglers and bandits who could care less if the person survives they just want the money. The employers who hire these ILLEGAL immigrants under the table so no one has to pay taxes. Most of these workers have seasonal jobs. Once these jobs are over do they go home, NO. They stay here, collect unemployment, commit crimes. The hospitals are having to pay for people without insurance, wait no we do. Once the bills get to high they move, go back to Mexico and try again later in a different place. For those people who stay here illegally do they attempt to get their citizenship. No but they sure seem to like it here. We are rewarding illegal activity because of politics. If you as a United States Citizen commited some of the crimes that ILLEGAL immigrants commit you would be in prison. I am not saying not to let them stay just that if they want to stay here respect the country they are living in, learn the language, pay taxes. For those that want to follow the rules do not hide, welcome. For those that do not, leave.

Sorry about the long read.


Comment #55 - Posted by: Dbanks at April 10, 2006 3:18 PM

Tough past three days! Rest day is greatly needed.
The world will be a much poorer place without Scott and his two compatriots. Godspeed.

Comment #56 - Posted by: Drooper at April 10, 2006 3:24 PM

BW 187lbs

Cindy = 9 squats shy of 28 full rounds

My wife, Tiffany, did her very first wod!! She got 15 full rounds doing "non-girl" push ups and jumping pullups! Great Job!!

Comment #57 - Posted by: Caleb B. at April 10, 2006 3:32 PM

Group Moffett

Completed 5 rounds for time

400 meter run
45lb overhead squats, x 15 reps

Total time: 18:17:28

Comment #58 - Posted by: Adrian D at April 10, 2006 3:44 PM

Rest in peace, Scott.

My condolences to his family and friends.

Comment #59 - Posted by: Mike Minium at April 10, 2006 3:48 PM

RIP Scott

completed "cindy" today...20 rounds in 20 minutes. increased 5 rounds from the last cindy which I believe was 2.14.06

Comment #60 - Posted by: Kris Kepler at April 10, 2006 4:45 PM

What continues to amaze me in the current discussion of immigration reform is the silence of African-Americans and their leaders. Don't they realize that these millions of Mexican immigrants in the job market have insured their continued marginialization? While Al Sharpon preens about in tailor-made suits and perfectly coiffed hair, his so-called constituents are being shoved aside by hard working illegals, leaving them to compete for a few NBA roster slots or a rap music recording deal. What a shame.

Comment #61 - Posted by: john wopat at April 10, 2006 4:47 PM

A moment of silence in honor of Scott McAndrews, whom I never met, but I feel I knew him as a brother. Go in peace.

Comment #62 - Posted by: john wopat at April 10, 2006 4:53 PM

First and foremost RIP Scott.

John #61 wrote>>While Al Sharpon preens about in tailor-made suits and perfectly coiffed hair, his so-called constituents are being shoved aside by hard working illegals, leaving them to compete for a few NBA roster slots or a rap music recording deal. What a shame.<<

Hard working illegals as opposed to lazy African Americans? Your saying that the only other options for blacks are NBA slots and music deals?

Let's see what an actual African American has to say:

"New immigrants from Mexico to the American west are just going back to their old neighborhood. What goes around does quite literally come around. Of course, Mexico was Indian territory stolen originally by the Spanish. So much bad karma, so little time.

America cannot have an honest discussion about immigration without revisiting its sordid past.

Indians must be laughing as the descendants of their oppressors stay in a snit because newcomers arrive without permission.
Like the Indians, African Americans have a singular experience and therefore a unique view on immigration. Poor, uneducated immigrants compete most directly with low wage Americans for jobs. In the 18th and early 19th centuries, European immigrants were directly recruited to take jobs that could have easily been given to black Americans. That history and our perpetually precarious economic condition create a justifiable wariness.

Yet the answer to black Americans economic oppression is not to join with the likes of right wing Republicans. These hypocrites act only to improve the economic well being of the haves and the have mores. If they truly cared about the American worker they wouldn't cut taxes for the wealthy, try to end Social Security, and create a Medicare drug plan that is nothing but a windfall for pharmaceutical companies.

Instead of whining that some illegal immigrants use Medicaid, they should advocate for national health insurance. If Americans had this and other benefits that citizens of the rest of the world have, resentment against immigrants would diminish.

Are immigrant day laborers in Home Depot parking lots causing the worst problems for American workers? The wholesale disappearance of high paying blue collar jobs is the real problem. Images of Mexicans sneaking across the border make for a great distraction when the plight of union workers at Delphi and GM ought to be addressed.

Once again the supposedly generous nation brings out the worst in its citizens because it isn't generous at all. Americans live a dog eat dog existence, watching as corporate interests plot to destroy what little is left of the safety net. Because there is never a serious discussion about the economic system in this country, phony debates are deliberately created to keep the public from thinking about the issues that really cause their problems."

Comment #63 - Posted by: Tim at April 10, 2006 5:58 PM

Fair winds Scott and comrades...

Comment #64 - Posted by: Jerry Hill at April 10, 2006 6:03 PM

Black economic oppression. I am by no means right wing, but America is a country of opportunity and if people are still economically oppressed then it's their own fault. Get 5 bucks go to Salvation Army and buy a cheap suit then go fill out some job apps. As far as immigrant taking away jobs, it does kind of suck when you were born here and some losy lowballer comes over and steals work from you because he cuts his over head by living with seven other illegals in a two bedroom apartment.
The problem isn't illegals it's our country who messed up by looking for cheap labor and the selfish citizens who hire them.

Comment #65 - Posted by: NickC at April 10, 2006 6:19 PM

What are the odds that my first day back would be a rest day?


Comment #66 - Posted by: Alaska Greg at April 10, 2006 6:19 PM

Another problem as far as the language goes, is that the U.S. has never declared an official language. All other countries have one.

Comment #67 - Posted by: NickC at April 10, 2006 6:22 PM


I'm sorry to hear of the loss.

Workout in honor of fallen heros:

15 throws for distance - 16lb stone, 22lb stone, 28lb weight, 42lb weight;

5 rounds - 400m plus 20 throws wallball;

5 rounds - 100lb sandbag carry up stadium steps plus 5 flights sprints (24 step/flight);

15 sets of 16lb hammer winds (5-7 reps/set).

Good luck in your training,


Comment #68 - Posted by: Kevin Rogers at April 10, 2006 6:29 PM

#66 Greg - the odds are 1 in 4.

Comment #69 - Posted by: John Messano at April 10, 2006 6:46 PM

The CrossFit Article mentioned by Steve (comment #20)(http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-crossfit10apr10,1,303791.story?coll=la-headlines-health&ctrack=1&cset=true)I thought was more informative than the NY Times articles that showed up last Jan 2006.

Comment #70 - Posted by: Ken Davis at April 10, 2006 7:09 PM

Gods speed Scott! Our prayers are w/you, yours and those others that were lost.

Comment #71 - Posted by: DJ at April 10, 2006 7:24 PM

Godspeed Scotty, your service is appreciated and your spirit will be missed.

Comment #72 - Posted by: RossB at April 10, 2006 7:33 PM

The article brings up a lot of good points. Make them a valuable, and legal part of the workforce. Make sure that taxes are being paid so that people are putting into the pot instead of just taking away(Medicaid).

Tim- My not too distant family came from Ireland and worked their way up from picking cotton, beans, etc... So don't give us that "pity them because they were brought over here stuff"(In reference to your comments about African-Americans). Every race has worked it's way up one way or another. And yes, the Irish side as well as the American Indian side(Great grandmother was on the Trail of Tears)of my family, were and are part of the Right Wing. The people who you call hypocrites.

Though tempted, I will not let you bait me into a discussion on who is better for this country and why between the Left and Right. It's pretty clear that you are blinded by self righteous opinion. Wasn't it GW that said,"Any man worth his salt would come over to try and make a better life for his family"?

Comment #73 - Posted by: DJ at April 10, 2006 7:38 PM

Fair winds.

Comment #74 - Posted by: jimbutts at April 10, 2006 7:51 PM

Tim #63:

unfortunately for artical you posted it is just another rehash of "America Bashing"

Medicad...argue for national health insurance..come on.

That guy acts like we don't support the world. Any shred of stability in the world is directly linked to America.

Yes were are generous, just not stupid...we have to demand that people contribute.

His comments about white repulicans being hypocrites is outstanding...as if the democratic party or liberal ideals have done anything to truely help the "Black Man"...I dare say evil corporate America has done more to set up minorities for success than Dems or Libs have.

Sharpton, Jackson and the like are a national embarassment...con artists and shake down artists...Blacks have towed the party line to get "nothing" but more of the same...they are used and fed a line of crap, all while being lulled into believe they should approach life like victims. (think Katrina Aftermath). Dems have failed them over and over with the same vote buying scams of health care, welfare, and life scare.

Now they see another voting block in the Illegal crowd...great...tell them they are not only welcome but they have every right to be here and milk the social tit...then after they have forced their way in by a show of force...they will demand a "living wage" and even more social assistance and...those "hard working" immigrants...will suffer the same fate as others who have been lulled into the Democrat party net of entitlement attitude....more shack-down artists will be created and the maqsses will exchange angry demonstrations and votes for more social entitlments.

I can see it now...employers will have to have "spanish speaking personel" or they wont be eligable for government contracts, business start up grants, or tax exemptions.

I have no problems with immigrants, but I see the writing on the wall...the votes are for sale...just look at the groups that are organizing these marchs...communist and socialist groups like "ANSWER"...great...hippy burnouts teaching the "Hard Workers" how to "Organize in Solidarity" like the kids and commies in france...that mind set has done wonders for thier economy and immigrant situation.

Thanks but no thanks...tell them to get in line like everyone else and thank them for thier work ethic...explain English is how things get done...insure they are are not discriminated against if they meet qualifications, then get out of the way and watch them succeed on thier own merits. They don't need anyone's help accept in a medical emegency...they need to be left alone to reach prosperity like the Asian, African, and European immigrants. They do not need us to "feel sorry" for them like dems would like for the guaranteed "oppressed" voting block

Comment #75 - Posted by: cctjoey at April 10, 2006 8:20 PM

Joey, Well put brother.

Comment #76 - Posted by: DJ at April 10, 2006 9:07 PM

Did Cindy
14 rounds

Comment #77 - Posted by: jeftyg at April 10, 2006 10:36 PM

Comment # 75

I would never defend frauds like Sharpton and Jackson. Also your comment "His comments about white repulicans being hypocrites is outstanding...as if the democratic party or liberal ideals have done anything to truely help the "Black Man" is spot on. Your statement "Any shred of stability in the world is directly linked to America" is laughable.

To Nick C #65 Who said "Black economic oppression. I am by no means right wing, but America is a country of opportunity and if people are still economically oppressed then it's their own fault."


The argument that racial wage gaps merely reflect different levels of experience and qualifications between whites and blacks are simply untenable, when one examines the data. Fact is, earnings gaps persist at all levels of education. According to Census data, whites with high school diplomas, college degrees or Master's Degrees all earn approximately twenty percent more than their black counterparts. Even more striking, whites with professional degrees (such as medicine or law) earn, on average, thirty-one percent more than similar blacks and fifty-two percent more than similar Latinos (1). Even when levels of work experience are the same between blacks and whites, the racial wage gap remains between 10-20 percent (2).

Looking at whites and blacks of similar age, doing the same work, earnings gaps remain significant. Among 25-34 year olds, white lawyers, computer programmers, and carpenters earn, on average, about one-fourth more than comparable blacks; white doctors and accountants earn, on average, one-third more than comparable blacks; and even white janitors earn sixteen percent more, on average, than comparable blacks (3).

Although these gaps do not necessarily reflect overt discrimination by employers -- in fact, they mostly reflect the segmented labor market, whereby whites have greater access to more lucrative clients and companies -- the effect is the same: whites continue to receive advantages in the labor market over equally qualified blacks.

1. Hartnett, William M. 2003. "Income gaps persist among races," Palm Beach Post, October 20 (PalmBeachPost.com).

2. Mason, Patrick L. 1998. "Race, Cognitive Ability, and Wage Inequality," Challenge. May-June, 1998.

3. Hartnett, 2003.

Also http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/excusesexcuses3.html

Comment #78 - Posted by: Tim at April 10, 2006 11:54 PM

Took sun off so had to do sun wod

gave cindy a shot, looked easy but oh no it was pretty tuff

15 rounds 20:32 (kippers towards the end)
1 mile walk for cool down

Comment #79 - Posted by: justin Lipsky at April 11, 2006 4:00 AM

#55, you must be from a different part of the country than I. The illegal immigrants I've known were no freeloaders. And the biggest freeloaders I've ever met were born & bred Americans.
We're all human and there will be hard workers and lazy bums regardless of green cards.

Comment #80 - Posted by: tirzah at April 11, 2006 5:53 AM

-15 minute run through neighborhood (didn't have time to get to track)
-5 rounds, 25 reps of squats

Comment #81 - Posted by: Dmh6482 at April 11, 2006 7:07 AM

Caught up with "Cindy" - Modified for a buttercup!

Lost count of rounds I did in 20 minutes.

1 jumping pull-up
4 wall push-ups
7 squats

The pull-ups were rough on me but I could have done more wall push-ups. Legs got nice and shakey from the squats!

Comment #82 - Posted by: Mattie Rae at April 11, 2006 8:09 AM
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