May 5, 2005

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Rest Day

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Tree hugging - MadDog style


Newbies learning an L sit can stick out one leg, or the other, but when the two come out together both legs fall. No such phenomenon exists for the arms held outright holding weights. This phenomenon was formative in our total take on midline stabilization and core strength training. What the dropping double legs say about hip strength and core stabilization may be profound. [video]

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Posted by lauren at May 5, 2005 4:37 PM
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Dudes... where does one obtain a Beaver Fever T shirt such as that? Beaver are an intermediate host for Giardia... comonly known as Beaver Fever. So as a Gastroenterologist ... I'd be interested

Comment #1 - Posted by: dave k at May 4, 2005 5:07 PM

Dave, check www.urbanoutfitters.com. That's one that I have found on there. They have lots of other witty shirts as well.

Comment #2 - Posted by: Scott Kustes at May 4, 2005 5:13 PM


Thanks Scott

Comment #3 - Posted by: dave k at May 4, 2005 5:28 PM

Apparently Streeter doesn't require a hard hat.

Mike

Comment #4 - Posted by: Mike Minium at May 4, 2005 7:19 PM


Come on up and drink the water

We will give you a shirt

:))

Comment #5 - Posted by: Patty at May 4, 2005 9:04 PM

By the way streets....when are you coming up for some more Vancouver Beav

Patty

Comment #6 - Posted by: Patty at May 4, 2005 9:05 PM

KJ thanks a million brother – good times! SC family rocks, miss em' all.

MM you missed out! Adrenaline freakin rush! You should see the other two in the picture move in the trees, quite the site, both naturals.

Forearms were smoked from holding on to the line – white knuckle style. Especially when the dog *helps* the tree sway... At 90 or so feet, when you look down – reality hits “d00d those people look like ants”. It is you, the tree and your heartbeat brother – wicked.

Next time I will go higher. Hopefully we can get TH (aka the camera kid) to go up too!

Comment #7 - Posted by: mstreet at May 4, 2005 9:08 PM

Having been one of Lauren's filmed guinea pigs on the 'one leg at a time then both legs' l-sit progression, I found doing the three in succession much harder than simply going into a two leg l-sit. The single leg switching seemed to stress my quads and hip flexors much more; I've therefore since incorporated the progression into my practice.

Comment #8 - Posted by: josh at May 4, 2005 9:20 PM

just picked up Giardia in the Philippines back in Jan... no fun at all... spewing from both ends... thank god for Flagyl... and i'd hump 12 miles for a Beaver fever shirt like that...

rich

Comment #9 - Posted by: rich s at May 4, 2005 10:15 PM

If our arms were as long and as heavy as our legs, they'd be harder to hold up.

Comment #10 - Posted by: Wilk at May 5, 2005 12:04 AM


Well... looks as if several of us are...unfortunately no strangers to Beaver Fever......didn't realize it's also in the Philippines Josh...Keep some Flagyl in your kit when you are "out & about"..

Comment #11 - Posted by: dave k at May 5, 2005 4:57 AM

Naively, it would appear that adding the second leg extended out significantly changes the distribution of mass (weight) around the various lever arms involved in the L-sit.

If you haven't "set" the the torso, hip flexors, lats, shoulders, and even triceps, hard, *before* you extend the second leg, you're going to pivot forward.

Comment #12 - Posted by: davidjwood at May 5, 2005 5:28 AM

Maybe, that we use the whole of our core to lift one leg (as opposed to half the upper body to lift one arm) and the newbie tips forward with two legs extended because the load is too great.

Comment #13 - Posted by: Graham at May 5, 2005 5:47 AM

David,

True enough but...he pitched forward with the second leg in a two legged "give-up". He wasn't forced off balance.

At least as common is for the second leg to cause both to drop to the floor with the torso remaining perpendicular. The hip flexors reflexively let go and drop the "L".

Comment #14 - Posted by: coach at May 5, 2005 6:14 AM

David, Graham,

We'll grab footage where the legs fall on the addition of the second leg rather than the athlete giving up as I claim Ben is doing.

We've run out of people without L's for shooting! But, we puzzled over the effect for a long time.

Comment #15 - Posted by: coach at May 5, 2005 6:45 AM

Tree work is awesome! Working on a tree crew is like doing Crossfit for 8-10 hours a day. Don't believe it? Go work with a tree crew for a day. Take dozens of tons of standing tree, take it apart, move it to the truck, and load it up. Get Some!

Comment #16 - Posted by: Pat Kennedy at May 5, 2005 6:54 AM

Christina and I went to the park and did:

100 situps
1 mile run
100 pushups
1 mile run
100 squats
1 mile run

Fun stuff.

Comment #17 - Posted by: Nic Nakis at May 5, 2005 7:13 AM

Six 1/10 mile hill sprints with hip flexor and hamstring stretching between efforts

5# cb and 26# kb flipping and catching

Comment #18 - Posted by: kelly moore at May 5, 2005 7:57 AM

Coach,
No shortage of athletes without an "L" in So Cal. Going to try the new progression from now on in warm ups.

For other cool shirts like Michael's see:
www.vintagevantage.com Pricey, but really cool.

Whatever happened to Dan Silver? Twas the gin that did him in?

Comment #19 - Posted by: Ron N. at May 5, 2005 8:25 AM

Who knew tree climbing could be so dang much fun?! And, yeah, there's definitely some CF crossover. The climbing move is essentially a hip kip, very much akin to that of a dumbbell swing or kipping PU.

Thanks, MadDog--those trees rocked my world. Awesome experience. Next time: bigger and higher!


Comment #20 - Posted by: Carrie at May 5, 2005 9:24 AM

Once upon a time I could hold an L-sit off the floor for about a minute. Add a decade of neglect and that sunk to about 0.5 seconds. A few months of somewhat lackluster attempts and one hollow-rock ass-whupping courtesy of Coach Glassman and I'm back up to 20 seconds. I intend to get back to 60 seconds soon.

Mostly it's my right quad that objects to the L-sit.

Comment #21 - Posted by: Lincoln Brigham at May 5, 2005 9:39 AM

Volleyball Drills today. Could actually feel a slight kip feel while throwing & hitting. I'm in a 2 on 2 beach volleyball league at work. Time to hit the box jumps big time!!!

Comment #22 - Posted by: Bob Cornute at May 5, 2005 11:54 AM

Did an un-named relative (or adopted sibling) of Helen today:

2 rounds for time
800m run (3:20/3:30)
42 50# dumbell swings [heaviest we have](42/26,16)
24 pull-ups (8,6,5,3,2/6,6,6,2,2)
TOTAL TIME=16:12 (7:42/8:30)

33% more "work/reps" than Helen in 33% less rounds. Was shooting for ~15min (33% longer than best my best Helen of 11:18).

Comment #23 - Posted by: jdg at May 5, 2005 12:06 PM

Ron-

Still here. Was gonna post my WOD results yesterday, after MMA, but I got a sudden invite to spend some quality time in a hot-tub with two girls and some beers. Sorry Coach, the WOD had to be postponed. Makeup today.

Good times.

-D.

Comment #24 - Posted by: Dan S. at May 5, 2005 1:43 PM

Dan,
Hot tub, girls, beer??? I have no idea what that would be like. So, I understand your curiosity in living the experience rather than spending your days wondering, "what if?"

Can't wait to read the journal of youe experiences and hope to benefit vicariously.

Comment #25 - Posted by: Ron N. at May 5, 2005 2:16 PM

here are my thoughts on the observation. sorry if they are a bit random/unclear....

-we (as bipeds) aren't really designed to have both legs out at the same time in an L. It has nothing to do with stabilizing the legs for walking. Our torso is designed to keep us upright for walking. Our hip flexors, abs, and other supporting muscles work to stabilize our torsos as our legs move in opposite directions. Our legs are designed to work in tandem to produce a walking movement, and our torso helps link them together to produce a cohesive motion.
-Our arms are designed to work independently of each other with a large range of motion (much larger than that of the legs). Our shoulder girdle is designed for this freedom of movement. This is why there is no drop. The arms aren't tied together like the legs are.
-the arms are designed to be held away from the body, whereas the legs are not. look at the support muscles for the arms (pecs,traps, lats). They are located on the torso in order to provide precise control/power in a wide range of motion. The support muscles for the legs (abs, lower back, hip flexors) are puny in comparison. The big movers are on the leg itself, because the movement of the femur vs. the tibia/fibia is so important in terms of walking

I suppose my argument is that the observed phenomena happens b/c of the tasks the human body is adapted for. Legs are for upright locomotion, and bring US to things. Arms are for manipulating our environment, and bring THINGS to us. Please feel free to argue or email me for further discussion. This one really got me thinking.

Comment #26 - Posted by: peter h at May 5, 2005 5:01 PM

Run 4 Brand X laps - 960M (approx 5 minutes) then Fran: 65# thrusters & Pull ups (mix of band assisted DH and Unassisted on the Big Dog bar - not DH)

about 23:00 for Fran. I forgot to start my stopwatch until I had done 9 thrusters.

Reference point: I did Fran at the January CF seminar and Lani had to push me up for pull ups even with a band assist. I used 45# thrusters.

Comment #27 - Posted by: LauraR at May 5, 2005 8:37 PM

Ran 5K in 26:11. Later on did back squats fully into the hole in reps of 3 (7 sets to 225#). Could not BP more than 135#, shoulder is bothering me badly today. followed with front & back squat practice to finish me off 135# x 10 x 2

Comment #28 - Posted by: Jim Howe at May 6, 2005 7:31 AM

Alki-Fairmont Canyon 48min

Comment #29 - Posted by: Matt Durham-IAFF at May 6, 2005 5:12 PM

Peter: can't add anything to your post, but thanks . . . interesting angle on the question.

Comment #30 - Posted by: davidjwood at May 6, 2005 8:26 PM
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